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Post by nsync on May 30, 2010 23:27:14 GMT -5
Poll topic was cut off:
Does it serve as a positive influence on the kids?
Serious topic. Please discuss.
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Post by nsync on May 30, 2010 23:43:37 GMT -5
I gotta go, but I would like to begin the discussion.
As several of you know I work with adolescents. I am a huge promoter of re-establishing rites of passage programs within our communities especially for urban youth. They need the structure, cultural purpose and accomplishment that official rites of passages once offered.
Yet when I see stuff like this, I cringe only because I know what they are trying to emulate.
However, I wonder if this is just a starting ground to the conversation about the importance of rites of passage/initiation programs at the high school level anyhow.
What yall think?
Maybe it's not all bad?
Maybe it is...?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 31, 2010 0:35:25 GMT -5
Ancestors form yourselves as a time machine and bring these ninja's with purple boots on back to 1995 1996 hell all the ninety's so I can ceremoniously drop every last one of them just with a firm hand shake and a " I don't give fuck if your teacher is a bruh and yall had a club shenanigans" speech. Thanks and good night.
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Post by darkandlovely on May 31, 2010 11:38:48 GMT -5
There was recently a Kappa League probate at my university. I mean, I've just started learning alot of things about the NPHC and boy that threw me for the loop. They had canes, and stepped, had a call, handsign, and did everything like a regular probate. Now they walk on our campus like they runnin' ish and I have to give the "boy if you don't get out my face" look. But anyway, I was talking to one of my friends and he said there wasn't much difference. The people who were "processing" them basically said to act how Kappa act. I don't know.  But I have seen line jackets, and diss strolls from these auxillary groups<----  |
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Post by darkandlovely on May 31, 2010 12:05:02 GMT -5
Poll topic was cut off: Does it serve as a positive influence on the kids? Serious topic. Please discuss. In addition, I believe this has its pros and cons. The kids become apart of something that has positive meanings and the con is, alot of kids feels as though they are a shoe in for the fraternity or sorority because they were members on an auxillary group |
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Post by Sapphire on May 31, 2010 12:10:23 GMT -5
LMAO!! I can't wait until there's a probate competition and the high schoolers win and get mad innanet buzz for having the livest probate. Then all the legit orgs get mad and start a thread about how they stole it from them.  |
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Post by **Dea** on May 31, 2010 14:46:16 GMT -5
so what happens when they go to college and the "grow up"/"change" and decide that Omega or whatever isn't what they want to do?
I know an Alpha that was scrutinized for SOOOOOO Long for being apart of Kappa League. His pops is a Kappa but he had the sanity to live his own life and decided to pledge Alpha instead.
<===all for people following their own heart and not the ones of those around them.
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Post by peppermint on May 31, 2010 15:24:32 GMT -5
Dea, my point is kinda of the opposite happening. I don't think the problem lies with the teens. It's like you are grooming them to become XYZ then when they get to college XYZ looks down on them because they were in the youth aux. If not to become a member, to at least pique their interest.
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Post by darkandlovely on May 31, 2010 16:08:19 GMT -5
That's my point to pep. Now I hear, don't tell anyone you were a member of a high school sorority because you will get ridiculed or rejected. Either way its a lose-lose situation.
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Post by tremab on May 31, 2010 17:02:36 GMT -5
horrendous look...
as someone who works very closely with my chapter's youth auxiliary, I have MAJOR problems with this foolishness.
why is it you only see these groups stepping and "probating" (how in the world would whatever that was qualify as a "probate" by anybody's definition?) on the interwebs and nothing of substance.
in my experience, many of these kids are facing real life problems (lack of positive male role models, struggling with academics, peer pressure, sexual responsibility, etc. etc.)...a "process" and "probate" practice should be the LAST thing on the priority list for these advisors. period point blank.
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Post by peppermint on May 31, 2010 17:18:44 GMT -5
^^^ The whole idea of being "unveiled" is exciting though. Yes these kids generally come from troubled times but everything doesn't need to be serious in helping them deal with things. One issue some of these teens have is knowing how to have fun as a teen. Maybe "probate" (which most orgs aren't technically doing right now anyway, but I digress) is a strong term, but it can be a good thing for them to display what they've learned.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 31, 2010 17:42:36 GMT -5
This is NOT as probate. Its a poor attempt at a Neophyte Showcase commonly known as a coming out show
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Post by tremab on May 31, 2010 17:51:58 GMT -5
Peppermint:
I hear you 100%...but there are other ways to "have fun as a teen" than trying to emulate college kids (and failing miserably).
How about going to see a pro/semi-pro game, chaperoned socializing with the youth aux. groups of the opposite sex, cultural tours, a dance...etc. etc.? As far as showing off what they learned, how about setting up a display case in the school lobby or holding an "interest meeting"?
It bothers me to no end that whoever these advisors are are so far off target...
Stepping / strolling / dissing other orgs./ blah blah is fun...no doubt about it. But these are much needed MENTORING groups, not Junior Fraternities/Sororities.
What fool would pledge some high schoolers? In 2010? Really? Unfortunately, it does happen...
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Post by Bathroom Model on May 31, 2010 20:18:19 GMT -5
Peppermint: I hear you 100%...but there are other ways to "have fun as a teen" than trying to emulate college kids (and failing miserably). How about going to see a pro/semi-pro game, chaperoned socializing with the youth aux. groups of the opposite sex, cultural tours, a dance...etc. etc.? As far as showing off what they learned, how about setting up a display case in the school lobby or holding an "interest meeting"? It bothers me to no end that whoever these advisors are are so far off target... Stepping / strolling / dissing other orgs./ blah blah is fun...no doubt about it. But these are much needed MENTORING groups, not Junior Fraternities/Sororities. What fool would pledge some high schoolers? In 2010? Really? Unfortunately, it does happen... Yea. I agree. Plus, I think somethings should be saved. Like off so they do coming out show in highschool then another one in college. I just think some experiences should only happen once. I don't know I just like it cheapen the experience. I mean there is so much more they could be doing. I'm not all that into junior greek orgs even though I come from a org that has them. Im more into using these orgs as mentorships. I believe all that extra stuff should be bonuses they get when the enter greekdom. |
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Post by AKAShannon on May 31, 2010 21:55:24 GMT -5
I personally hate seeing stuff like this. This generation gets/experience too much too soon! And they really walk around like they are "Greek" with jackets so detailed. I know personally of a Kappa Leaguer paying over $200 for a "line" jacket that he could only wear for 3 yrs!  However, I don't blame the students. This as always falls strictly on the Advisors of these orgs. We should be mentoring all students (male, female, black, white and/or other, honor students, and at risk students). The purpose is to help and encourage students to make decisions that will allow them to become a better man or better woman, not jr XYZs. Besides, every org is having enough problems with actual members with the maturity level of these Aux groups!  |
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Post by Oren Ishii on May 31, 2010 22:25:39 GMT -5
What my Soror said...my sentiments EXACTLY.
EXALT!
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Post by Oren Ishii on May 31, 2010 22:45:11 GMT -5
Okay, so it's not a Coming Out...but a "Yard Show."  I mean, do High School kids not have classes...or homework anymore? Where is the faculty & staff while all this is going on? And Jesus, Mary & JOSEPH Who is that in a P&G jacket with an IVY on the back near the end? *about to blow a gasket* Had any aux. even thought about some mess like this when I was in school, (esp. with as many Sorors as we had around there...) they'd have snatched their azzes up IN A HEARTBEAT. |
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Post by **Dea** on May 31, 2010 22:55:40 GMT -5
my HS had a step team. it wasn't directly greek related tho.
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Post by Cambist on Jun 1, 2010 6:58:00 GMT -5
I think it's a bad idea.
I was in an youth aux (I.C.E.) while in high school and while we were taught a step for novelty, we were never supposed to do anything that indicated we were members of Alpha Phi Alpha. We met weekly for scholastic work and hanging out...we were even allowed to help out backstage at the big annual "greekshow" but that was about it.
The local Omega grad chapter had a youth aux called Xi Phi Psi and there was also the Kappa League. We were told to let them do what they do but don't get it twisted....and then given a list of shit we were NOT to do.
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Post by FatalDST on Jun 1, 2010 8:12:24 GMT -5
Ancestors form yourselves as a time machine and bring these ninja's with purple boots on back to 1995 1996 hell all the ninety's so I can ceremoniously drop every last one of them just with a firm hand shake and a " I don't give fuck if your teacher is a bruh and yall had a club shenanigans" speech. Thanks and good night. LMAO. It aint they fault.... |
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Post by FatalDST on Jun 1, 2010 8:26:17 GMT -5
Ok, now my opinion... I see pros and cons.. I was in one of these groups in high school, the Mademoiselles, we stepped however we didn't probate.. alot had changed though since I was in the group over 15 years ago!
Its not cool that they mimic our orgs so damn close but, we can't really blame them, the persons over these orgs are members of our orgs and they are making them into "mine-mes".. we didn't have calls, signs, line jackets and numbers, and all that back in the day, the persons over these groups (us) have incorporated this over the years to be more like us! Why? Don't know, maybe to try to make it into something more "official" rather than just another after school group.
However, if you weren't in ROTC or playing some kind of sports, you were pretty much out of luck as far as any extra-curricular activities and well, some kids just need other things to do to stay out of trouble.
I know I use to help with a group of girls, they were 5th graders, and well, some of these girls were probably 2 grades behind behind because school & grades weren't important to them. I know our group helped a lot of these young girls because they had to keep up their grades and conduct in school to participate.. Sometimes, when you give a child something to work for/towards, it makes a difference.
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Post by bigsisteronpoint on Jun 1, 2010 9:23:05 GMT -5
If you're from Texas...especially Houston... then you know that these groups have been around for a minute. I have to co-sign with Thicky...when I was in high school these kids didn't have line jackets and probates and doing the most. I mean it is out of control now. Case in point... the Lady Esquires are in ivy stance and doing the business in the videos below. They seem to take what they know of insignia and customs of modern day AKA and Delta and turn it into their own ish. And what the hell is a Junior Sorority Incorporated? SMH. I mean these chicks are giving greetings and saying things like I pledged and gave my blood, sweat, and tears...etc. etc. I want to know the D9 members responsible for this foolishness. This is how shit gets perpetuated into the orgs once they get to college and why hazing still exists. I mean its a vicious cycle dammit! Lady Esquires Probate Part 1: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xRme_pqgrgPart 2: www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4mfqnMOjRs&feature=relatedPart 3: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJJzxDtHnk&feature=relatedPart 4: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpSvEYZlUYg&feature=related |
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Post by FatalDST on Jun 1, 2010 9:42:07 GMT -5
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jun 1, 2010 10:30:38 GMT -5
What Mab said. You can't tell me that the D9 members serving their communities by trying to help these youth are so uncreative that the only thing they can do to inspire these kids is relive UG by trying to extend their reign as Big Sister/Big Brother So and So through the adulation of the youth? So what, the Crips and Bloods will be stepping next as a way out of gang life? You letting auxilaries stroll at a Greek picnic? FA REAL? I call bullshyt on all of it. |
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Post by FatalDST on Jun 1, 2010 10:54:37 GMT -5
Well what had happened was... a couple Alphas got out there.. then amongst the mist of what they were doing, they called the babies out there... then one of the guys said they kinda planned it that way... I had a feeling something was up when they showed up with them.. and well, the crowd went crazy when the babies got out there so we just rolled with it...
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jun 1, 2010 11:13:13 GMT -5
Soror, you may as well have started that post with "OK, See what had happened wuz........" because no explanation is going to hold water with me. That situation was wrong LONG before y'all stood by and let them stroll, hayle, long before the greek picnic even happened. It's damn near a systemic failure at this point. Sigh.....
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Post by FatalDST on Jun 1, 2010 11:25:18 GMT -5
Yah I feel you.. but I guess as long as the people over the greoups can justify why they are doing it.. the schools are going to let them continue this.. its the people sponsoring these groups that need a "talking" to
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Post by Oren Ishii on Jun 1, 2010 12:28:38 GMT -5
DAMMIT 91! Gt outta my head! I came in here to say exactly this today. UG is OVER! Move on. What Mab said. relive UG by trying to extend their reign as Big Sister/Big Brother So and So through the adulation of the youth? So what, the Crips and Bloods will be stepping next as a way out of gang life? I call bullshyt on all of it. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jun 1, 2010 12:48:15 GMT -5
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Post by nsync on Jun 1, 2010 12:53:28 GMT -5
Amen sister. I think that's what this is all about. Exalt. What Mab said. You can't tell me that the D9 members serving their communities by trying to help these youth are so uncreative that the only thing they can do to inspire these kids is relive UG by trying to extend their reign as Big Sister/Big Brother So and So through the adulation of the youth? So what, the Crips and Bloods will be stepping next as a way out of gang life? You letting auxilaries stroll at a Greek picnic? FA REAL? I call bullshyt on all of it. |
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