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Post by Julie Art on Jun 1, 2010 12:56:12 GMT -5
I believe that is what it is all about Outtie, real talk. Exhalt '91.
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Post by nsync on Jun 1, 2010 13:02:32 GMT -5
So here's my thing, outside of the emulation package I think the rites of passage of going through a structured (safe---no violence. No harsh mental games),---NOT PLEDGE--- rites of passage process may be important to the kids. Also the idea of sisterhood and brotherhood may prove beneficial. But it also can foster division.  Through such a group: I think self esteem and self respect can be taught and reinforced I think civic duty can be taught and reinforced I think team playing can be taught and reinforced I think responsibility and accountability can be taught and reinforced Most importantly the sense of accomplishment that would come along with the rites of passage would surpass all other important I know kids get this elsewhere like sports, music and other clubs. But some kids need social clubs. The only place they can get them is in high school. I wonder if these type of orgs are much more necessary than previously suggested. |
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Post by peppermint on Jun 1, 2010 13:13:46 GMT -5
^^^ With so many traditional programs getting cut in educational districts, these types of programs are necessary. I think the calls, jackets, etc is a bit much but i don't see the big deal about stepping. I don't see a big deal about presenting themselves (just not in the form of a neo showcase).
I think hostility gets unfairly targeted to the kids. Who's going to check those who need to be instead of saying to the kids "you shouldn't do yada, yada, yada"
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Post by nsync on Jun 1, 2010 13:29:16 GMT -5
Yes, I bet the kids don't know better unless it's in their family already.
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Post by FatalDST on Jun 1, 2010 13:42:07 GMT -5
WOW! And one of them has a whistle!!! LOL I get so tired of them Alphas blowing that damn whistle! |
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Post by Julie Art on Jun 1, 2010 14:56:31 GMT -5
Whatever happened to playing sports, being a cheerleader, in the band, etc. as being the things "to do" in highschool?
We didn't have this where I grew up when I was in highschool. I didn't learn about these types of things until I got to college.
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Post by ReignMan19 on Jun 1, 2010 14:58:14 GMT -5
Just be happy the lil ninjas on some stage and not breaking into your homes...
lol.. but forreal this is a little much..
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Post by nsync on Jun 1, 2010 14:59:30 GMT -5
BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!! OMGARSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im sorry but I have to exalt this, because there is humor in the truth. Just be happy the lil ninjas on some stage and not breaking into your homes... |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Jun 1, 2010 15:11:25 GMT -5
#imjustayin
I know most of yall are hella old but think back when you were 16-18... this could be something productive... its not like they have a bunch of 9 year olds lined up. Hell these guys aren't too far from pledging age...
but I do understand where yall are coming from and I agree that your orgs need to perserve their brand...
so in my outside looking in opinion... Is it too "adult" eh.. no.. Is it hella bitin and a original Rites of Passage should be created ....most definitely...
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jun 1, 2010 15:20:30 GMT -5
Damie is turning a corner.
I used to be ok with high schoolers stepping (for some of the same reasons Outtie laid out) ... but I'm starting to see something...
...stepping is like a gateway drug (if such a thing even exists). One day you're stepping, next day you're trying on a line jacket, next day you're trying to approximate something else you see in the D9 culture that you don't quite understand.
I dislike this. It's like watching other non-D9 orgs trying to be "like" us - but only mimicking the surface - and thus making a mockery of all of it.
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Post by nsync on Jun 1, 2010 15:26:04 GMT -5
To the emulating part alone:
They are only doing this because they are following after someone who believes they have the authority to allow them to do so.
Watching it is so weird. It's like they are in a playground/schoolyard in front of screaming teenagers who probably should be home doing homework.
Okay okay...they can skip a day.
But then it's like when did they have the time to do all of this? When did they meet...during lunch breaks? Did they have hell moment? Were they pinned? What? I need answers!!!!! I NEED ANSWERS!!!
See that's why I didn't want to focus on that part lol
O----confused.
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Post by ReignMan19 on Jun 1, 2010 15:26:51 GMT -5
^^ this is true and hilarious on levels....
Oh I wanna make a funny so bad but I know i'm only allow 2 posts a greek thread...
edited: eff it
Dad: We throught stepping would be something good for Anwar
Mom: We thought its something productive, its exercise.. what could it hurt?
Dad: Then he came home yelling to the top of lungs, making grit faces, not showering, we thought he had lost his mind
Mom: Lord what happened to our son
Stepping: The gateway drug...
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jun 1, 2010 15:31:47 GMT -5
To the emulating part alone: They are only doing this because they are following after someone who believes they have the authority to allow them to do so.Watching it is so weird. It's like they are in a playground/schoolyard in front of screaming teenagers who probably should be home doing homework. Okay okay...they can skip a day. But then it's like when did they have the time to do all of this? When did they meet...during lunch breaks? Did they have hell moment? Were they pinned? What? I need answers!!!!! I NEED ANSWERS!!! See that's why I didn't want to focus on that part lol O----confused.
I'm not at all absolving the D9 members who are facilitating/perpetuating it - I'm just saying I don't like it. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Jun 1, 2010 15:35:09 GMT -5
To the emulating part alone: They are only doing this because they are following after someone who believes they have the authority to allow them to do so. Watching it is so weird. It's like they are in a playground/schoolyard in front of screaming teenagers who probably should be home doing homework. Okay okay...they can skip a day. But then it's like when did they have the time to do all of this? When did they meet...during lunch breaks? Did they have hell moment? Were they pinned? What? I need answers!!!!! I NEED ANSWERS!!! See that's why I didn't want to focus on that part lol O----confused. I'm pretty sure they would meet like any other after school activity ... My sister was a Delteen and they met during the sametime I was at track practice.. 3-5 |
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Post by nsync on Jun 1, 2010 15:37:56 GMT -5
Okay--- but are non d9 orgs really similar to this?
These kids are not only using traditions that are the same but colors and symbols that are either the same or very similar.
To me that is mockery.
However when another or sees something/or someone from D9 shares it with them and incorporate it within their own culture is that mockery or improvising?
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Post by nsync on Jun 1, 2010 15:40:56 GMT -5
Oh okay that makes sense. Afterschool program, afterschool "pledging" But then when are they doing the "real stuff" required of the club? Who brings them in? In one of the videos it looks like another little kids was leading them in unless that was one short adult... This intrigues me. To the emulating part alone: They are only doing this because they are following after someone who believes they have the authority to allow them to do so. Watching it is so weird. It's like they are in a playground/schoolyard in front of screaming teenagers who probably should be home doing homework. Okay okay...they can skip a day. But then it's like when did they have the time to do all of this? When did they meet...during lunch breaks? Did they have hell moment? Were they pinned? What? I need answers!!!!! I NEED ANSWERS!!! See that's why I didn't want to focus on that part lol O----confused. I'm pretty sure they would meet like any other after school activity ... My sister was a Delteen and they met during the sametime I was at track practice.. 3-5 |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Jun 1, 2010 15:44:32 GMT -5
1) Reign did not state that these guys have been pledged in any way... 2) Reign don't know what happens my Sis' group didn't do any of this.. They just did stepshows... wait.. no more kids stepping means no more highschool stepshows.. and those were hella fun... |
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Post by nsync on Jun 1, 2010 15:47:56 GMT -5
Okay. I was talking about the process that encouraged "the probate".
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jun 1, 2010 15:53:51 GMT -5
Okay--- but are non d9 orgs really similar to this? These kids are not only using traditions that are the same but colors and symbols that are either the same or very similar. To me that is mockery. However when another or sees something/or someone from D9 shares it with them and incorporate it within their own culture is that mockery or improvising?
To any D9 org member the notion of actually selecting your line name is so ridiculous it can't be taken serious. When questioned on it, she said that they didn't follow D9 standards (fine) but then preceded to post video of where they marched in to do a neophyte show in a line  , and finally reached the summit of Mt. St. Ridiculous when she said that there was only a MIP process, but then spoke of her Big Sisters.
To anyone even remotely initiated into their D9 orgs these things are so ridiculous they reach the level of mockery. They are imitating without understanding. But as long as their bigs say they can do it, why shouldn't they think they can? It's the same thing (IMO) |
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Post by nsync on Jun 1, 2010 16:03:45 GMT -5
But...don't you think other folks thought the same about D9 starting?
Perhaps they(?originators?) thought it was a form of mockery as well.
The idea of pledge and pledge club, for example, is a borrowed concept. Even if it was taken and made better by certain standards...STILL innovation through imitation.
Still room to be considered mockery. But was/is it?
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Post by nsync on Jun 1, 2010 16:05:49 GMT -5
O-----selected her line name yesterday on the internet. IT"S HOT! Don't play with me!!!!!
O----going back to high school just to plegde. And what!? Don't judge me. It's my dream.
Ima work hard like other highschoolers before me.
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Post by nsync on Jun 1, 2010 16:12:05 GMT -5
So I thought about what I posted above. I thought about erasing it, because my intent is not to offend.
But I decided to keep it.
I totally understand why folks are offended by these children or or other things that seems like emulation.
It's not cool. It's like in life...especially when it comes to things we hold near and dear to our heart....things that we work at...things that make us exclusive or disctinct...
...we don't want anyone coming along just dipping in it as they please. It's not fair! It's not cool.
I totally get it.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jun 1, 2010 16:20:31 GMT -5
<--x not offended by your comment/joke
<--x will respond in a second and try to clarify better his statements
brb
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Post by Oldskool on Jun 1, 2010 16:44:02 GMT -5
I really don't mind high school- ers or even Middle School-ers stepping. What I do mind is the usage of D9 names, chants, calls, symbols, and anything else that is off limits to non-members. What do they have to look forward to? Also as another posted out, it is a "gateway". What's to keep them out of the "entitled" category? They are already being screamed at as if they are already Alphas.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jun 1, 2010 17:15:30 GMT -5
But...don't you think other folks thought the same about D9 starting? Perhaps they(?originators?) thought it was a form of mockery as well. The idea of pledge and pledge club, for example, is a borrowed concept. Even if it was taken and made better by certain standards...STILL innovation through imitation. Still room to be considered mockery. But was/is it?
You are right that pledge "clubs" existed before the D9 but I think anyone would be hard pressed to make the argument that pledge clubs existed in the same fashion after us. What we developed didn't really exist before (not on a Fraternal level). Stepping, Marching, Pledging - all made unique to our culture. Pre-existing WGLO still refer to their initiates as pledge class - we call them what? A line. And it's not insignificant that we use different names - it's indicative of how differently we approach the "pledging" process (such as it were).
Check out their glossary:
www.kappaalphaorder.org/resources/varlet_materials/varlet_greekglossary.asp
We don't try to emulate them - we created our own lane. Are there general concepts that are the same? If you abstract the picture enough I suppose... I mean 3 lettered Greek names, having colors, having a motto... you can say that is borrowed. But once you abstract to that high of a level, it could be just as easily argued that the orgs got these concepts from their actual institutions on whose campuses they resided. Afterall they have mottos, colors, and crests as well. They are not unique. Most of what the D9 does is, by contrast, unique - and that's why, in part, it's so easy to see when others are imitating it |
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Post by Oren Ishii on Jun 1, 2010 18:18:42 GMT -5
PAUSE:
Somebody said they 'selected' their own line name?!
What makes it worse: she named herself Lyrical PaperwEIGHT?
WHERE are people getting this foolishness from? I couldn't even read past that. Just ri-dayum-diculous.
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Post by Julie Art on Jun 1, 2010 18:33:41 GMT -5
PAUSE: Somebody said they 'selected' their own line name?! What makes it worse: she named herself Lyrical PaperwEIGHT? WHERE are people getting this foolishness from? I couldn't even read past that. Just ri-dayum-diculous. Yes soror and she was hawt at us! I mean at first folks was gonna leave it alone but when she asked people to explain, the flood gate came open and she was mad! Buahahahhahahahaahahhahahaha! |
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Post by Oren Ishii on Jun 1, 2010 19:03:47 GMT -5
I need links to this foolishness, Soror. SMH And PLEASE tell me it was somebody else's org. PLEASE. |
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Post by nsync on Jun 1, 2010 19:53:26 GMT -5
My point is this---if you've borrowed anything from somewhere else you are not the originator. Even if you add your own flair and improve you are not the originator. Therefore when folks start copying you(even things that are specific to you), it is important to remember you too copied. If folks mocked then you too, at some point, mocked. To me the children are moreso mocking than not(even though to say that would be to put responsibility in their hands--where it should not be) because they DIRECTLY pattern their traditions after a specific org. There are many specific and detailed shared elements. Non-d9 take general concepts(shared by more than one org) and form them into their own or similar. Some even give respect to d9 organizations. I find it hard to see this as mockery. But...don't you think other folks thought the same about D9 starting? Perhaps they(?originators?) thought it was a form of mockery as well. The idea of pledge and pledge club, for example, is a borrowed concept. Even if it was taken and made better by certain standards...STILL innovation through imitation. Still room to be considered mockery. But was/is it?
You are right that pledge "clubs" existed before the D9 but I think anyone would be hard pressed to make the argument that pledge clubs existed in the same fashion after us. What we developed didn't really exist before (not on a Fraternal level). Stepping, Marching, Pledging - all made unique to our culture. Pre-existing WGLO still refer to their initiates as pledge class - we call them what? A line. And it's not insignificant that we use different names - it's indicative of how differently we approach the "pledging" process (such as it were).
Check out their glossary:
www.kappaalphaorder.org/resources/varlet_materials/varlet_greekglossary.asp
We don't try to emulate them - we created our own lane. Are there general concepts that are the same? If you abstract the picture enough I suppose... I mean 3 lettered Greek names, having colors, having a motto... you can say that is borrowed. But once you abstract to that high of a level, it could be just as easily argued that the orgs got these concepts from their actual institutions on whose campuses they resided. Afterall they have mottos, colors, and crests as well. They are not unique. Most of what the D9 does is, by contrast, unique - and that's why, in part, it's so easy to see when others are imitating it |
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Post by peppermint on Jun 1, 2010 20:10:35 GMT -5
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