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Post by denounced on Jul 7, 2009 7:29:23 GMT -5
MAAFA 21- Buy It! I haven't seen it yet, but the DVD is on the way. I plan to do a full press critique. I cannot stand in Charasmatic foolishness. Undeniable facts must be presented!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by denounced on Jul 10, 2009 7:32:45 GMT -5
maafa21.com/ I watched it. It's the best documentary I have ever seen. I was skeptical about any unfactual information. The had it right in your face to see. But as is normal for me, I am going to do some back up research. But 75% of the info, I already knew.
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Post by denounced on Jul 22, 2009 20:35:42 GMT -5
They said it then, and they are saying it now.
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Post by denounced on Nov 14, 2009 10:23:06 GMT -5
Planned Parenthood has long denied a racial agenda, but what saith its President, Faye Wattleton?
“We have received contributions from people who want to support us because they want… all black women to stop having children.” Faye Wattleton on CNN's Crossfire, January 1, 1987
FAYE WATTLETON- FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF DR. DORTHY FEREBEE IN MORE THAN ONE WAY.
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Post by Cambist on Nov 17, 2009 8:49:59 GMT -5
Yeah, but on the same show, just one day later(Crossfire, January 12, 1987) she denied saying that.
NOTE: I made that up....but if Dennis L. Cuddy, Ph.D. can quote random TV show guests from 20 years ago...so can I.
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Post by denounced on Nov 19, 2009 5:16:53 GMT -5
Yeah, but on the same show, just one day later(Crossfire, January 12, 1987) she denied saying that. NOTE: I made that up....but if Dennis L. Cuddy, Ph.D. can quote random TV show guests from 20 years ago...so can I. Soory Cam, but his info is a secondary source. Get the DVD and see it for yourself. Where are your quotations? That's 11 days later! |
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Post by nsync on Nov 19, 2009 22:52:02 GMT -5
Yes....lawd! The right to life encompasses so much more than being pro-life. |
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Post by Cambist on Nov 20, 2009 8:23:04 GMT -5
Yeah, but on the same show, just one day later(Crossfire, January 12, 1987) she denied saying that. NOTE: I made that up....but if Dennis L. Cuddy, Ph.D. can quote random TV show guests from 20 years ago...so can I. Soory Cam, but his info is a secondary source. Get the DVD and see it for yourself. Where are your quotations? That's 11 days later! It wasn't meant as a serious statement Fred. I was just pointing out how easy it is to quote television programs from 22 years ago when accessing that source are difficult. That's all. To that point, I performed a LexisNexis search and have yet to find the transcript but i'll keep looking. |
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Post by peppermint on Nov 21, 2009 23:54:27 GMT -5
maafa21.com/I watched it. It's the best documentary I have ever seen. I was skeptical about any unfactual information. The had it right in your face to see. But as is normal for me, I am going to do some back up research. But 75% of the info, I already knew. I wouldn't say it's the best I've ever seen but it was well done. I just watched it on Youtube. I disagree that the entire purpose behind legalizing abortion was to kill black babies. I don't want to ruin it for those who have not seen it but if the research to say that black women get more abortions once abortion is legalized, until it was actually legalized, how can you say that it was the purpose? I think the purpose was to help white women and they just ended up with the unexpected "benefit" of more black women being receptive to the idea. |
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Post by denounced on Nov 22, 2009 14:09:34 GMT -5
You must look at the rhetoric to know who it was designed for, it was most unfortunate that the legalization of abortion changed the way black women looked at it. I believe it's a cultural phenomenon of the black community that having rights is not seen as a privilege, but seems to turn it into a negative behavior.
Look up some of the logic behind guys in BGLO's getting brands.
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Post by Cambist on Nov 24, 2009 11:05:38 GMT -5
You must look at the rhetoric to know who it was designed for, it was most unfortunate that the legalization of abortion changed the way black women looked at it. I believe it's a cultural phenomenon of the black community that having rights is not seen as a privilege, but seems to turn it into a negative behavior. Look up some of the logic behind guys in BGLO's getting brands. I have to agree with this although it has been seen as a "backstop" or birthcontrol of sorts for irresponsible women of all races. This is one reason I do have a problem with abortion. |
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Post by denounced on May 17, 2010 9:03:43 GMT -5
I want to set one record straight; abortion kills all races of children. I want to set another record straight, certain white and black people in this country want to kill a greater proportion of black babies than all others. I always believed that legalized abortion wasn’t an accident, but that some people knew or believed that it would lead to the greatest MASS GENOCIDE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THE REST OF THE WORLD. WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY HERE? THAT POPULATION CONTROL THROUGH BIRTH CONTROL ALWAYS HAD THE ABORTION AGENDA UNDERGIRDING IT. ABORTION WAS ALWAYS THERE, READY TO MAKE ITS CRUEL AND CALCULATING INTRODUCTION AGAINST AN UNSUSPECTING GROUP OF PEOPLE. QUICK THOUGHT……………. IT IS THE PRO-CHOICERS THAT PERSONALLY WOULD NEVER HAVE AN ABORTION THAT ARE DANGEROUS. ALL THEY DO IS USE THEIR TIME AND ENERGY TO SUPPORT THESE KILLINGS THROUGH RHETORIC, PERSONAL WEBPAGES, BLOG COMMENTS, BUT WILL NEVER KILL A BABY OF THEIR OWN. NOTICE THE DATES; ALL PRIOR TO THE 1973 ROE V. WADE DECISION WELL HERE’S THE PROOF: In 1969, Guttmacher as then President of Planned Parenthood-World Population, said this: “ I would like to give our voluntary means of population control full opportunity in the next 10 to 12 years. Then , if these don’t succeed, we may have to go into some kind of coercion, not worldwide, but possibly in such places as India, Pakistan, and Indonesia, where pressures are the greatest…There is no question that birth rates can be reduced all over the world if legal abortion is introduced…” ( SOURCE: Family Planning: The needa and the Methods, by: Alan F. Guttmacher; The American Journal of Nursing, Vol. 69, No. 6. (June, 1969) PP. 1229-1234) And in February of 1970 Alan Guttmacher was interviewed by the Baltimore Magazine and said this “ Our birth rate has come down since we last talked.. I think we’ve hit a plateau- the figure’s not likely to drop much more unless there is more legal abortion. , or abortion on request as we call it …My own feeling is that we’ve got to pull out all the stops and involve the United Nations…If you’re going to curb population, it’s extremely important not to have it done by the dammed Yankees, but by the UN. Because the thing is, then it’s not considered genocide. If the United States goes to the Black man or the yellow man and says slow down your reproduction rate, we’re immediately suspected of having ulterior motives to keep the white man dominant in the world. If you can send in a colorful UN force, you’ve got much better leverage.” Well – Alan Guttmacher and Planned Parenthood want subsidized abortions for EUGENICS and this health care bill is just the thing to do it. This is about POPULATION CONTROL – Increasing abortions with our taxpayers and decreasing human kind. Barack Obama is falling into for population control scheme and he is being used as a pawn by the eugenicists. It is all coming along just as they planned – Simply listen to the words of Guttmacher told a symposium at the University of California Medical Center in 1966 he stated that, “the belief that the white middle class was coercing their own poor and people with black and yellow skins to reduce family size because the middle-class whites are frightened of being outnumbered.” “ The only way the mounting feeling that birth control is a tool of racism can be handled, is to involve knowledgeable leaders from the minority groups who understand and are favorable to the philosophy of birth control. They, in turn, must translate their appreciation of the contribution which birth control can make toward family stability to their own people.” (SOURCE: New York Times: Doctor blames his profession for delays on Family Planning: 1/16/1966) Watch the film – Maafa21 Black Genocide in 21st Century America saynsumthn.wordpress.com/category/lyndon-b-johnson/ |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 17, 2010 9:32:08 GMT -5
I watched MAAFA21 it was pretty interesting. I do believe abortion is apart of the population control agenda just as I also believe same sex relationships are as well. The reasoning is the populations are putting a strain on natural resources of the earth. The truth is about 25% of the world's population use almost 80% of the resources. While 75% of the population uses 20% of the resources. Look it up
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Post by Cambist on May 17, 2010 10:19:04 GMT -5
Those who say that population control is bad in today's time are not in touch with reality.
Not that we should be looking to exterminate but the only other option is to control it on the front end.
As VP stated, we are raping the earth and it's ability to sustain it's balance. We keep people alive that should be dead. We save babies that shouldn't be viable. We prolong life beyond what is natural. And then we wonder why we are becoming a crowded planet.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 17, 2010 10:27:41 GMT -5
Those who say that population control is bad in today's time are not in touch with reality. Not that we should be looking to exterminate but the only other option is to control it on the front end. As VP stated, we are raping the earth and it's ability to sustain it's balance. We keep people alive that should be dead. We save babies that shouldn't be viable. We prolong life beyond what is natural. And then we wonder why we are becoming a crowded planet. I disgaree Cam. The Earth has more than enough resources to sustain everyone. If 75 percent of the population right now today are living off and surviving with 20% of the worlds resources then what does that tell you? It's all hype that because of population we are destroying the earth. Did populaton cause that oil spill which is about to mess up eco systems for who knows how long? Industrialization has done 1 million years of damage in 100 years. It's not the masses its the few who are fucking it up for everybody. Population growth is a threat to the few who are in power. They won't be able to hold on for much longer. Don't fall for the hype. |
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Post by BlackPrincess on May 17, 2010 10:48:55 GMT -5
Abortion is not the only way the population is kept under control. So if that is the concern, lets discuss ALL the available mechanisms and not just one faction of it.
All, Im gonna say about this....choice means to do or not to do, the choice is up to you, the owner of your body decides (with limits of course)...If a gun is being put to the heads of the decision maker then I will revisit the issue...
Signed...pro-choicer!
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Post by Cambist on May 17, 2010 11:29:48 GMT -5
Yeah VP but you know that the political reality is much more powerful than truth. LOL!
We CAN provide food and fresh drinking water for everyone on earth. We can eradicate many (if not most) diseases on this planet. It's all a matter of will. It's also a matter of money...not the cost but the potential profit.
If it's more profitable to produce corn for inefficient ethanol rather than food just so we can say we are "Green" then that's what we will do.
The reality is that we are not necessarily too crowded for our resources. The political reality is that we are too crowded for our approach to humanity and the earth.
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Post by denounced on May 18, 2010 13:15:49 GMT -5
Sure there are other methods, but NONE as successful as lawful abortion. It is the quickest and most devastating upon a population. Can anyone name a more successful form of population control than abortion? By the way, pro-choice is pro-abortion. BP, don't you see, Guttmacher counted on people like you seeing from the point of view of non-coercive.
The sorriest thing of all is that we have been duped into the many feel good cliches of pro-choice. It's my body, not really. There are things your body does for you and against you outside of your control.
The fact that whites were so well aware of black's destructive behavior when given authority/freedom was diabolically genius. It's the same mentality with branding. We shun it as a practice of marking slaves (i.e. against their own will). Yet, it is embraced when we have the "authority" to do it to ourselves.
So to bathe in this freedom of choice at the expense of another human is utterly barbaric. This lack of vigilance is exactly what Alan Guttmacher counted, and we for the most part have not disappointed. I am willing to say that for every black woman who aborts a child, there is a black man and/or woman letting them know, "it's your choice."
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Post by peppermint on May 18, 2010 14:56:29 GMT -5
Denounced, in your opinion does pro-life mean pro-adoption?
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Post by denounced on May 19, 2010 6:23:05 GMT -5
In a just for the heck of it abortion, it sure does not. Heat of the moment transactions do not absolve the always potential outcome of an "unplanned" pregancy, which to me is an oxymoron if you're having sex. This was the whole problem with the Aquarian Movement. A movement of pure immorality and irresponsibility that people wish to thrust upon those not responsible for their irresponsible behavior.
The responsibility for the child rests in the hand of the parents. I do believe that this country, our government, purposely makes it hard and VERY expensive to adopt. They have no problem with a person giving up their rights to their child, but seemingly have a huge problem with one/two people wanting to adopt.
I married into a family where their daddy wasn't doing squat. I found out recently that it was his parents paying child support.
I suggest before you reply to do a thorough examination of adoption in this country.
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Post by peppermint on May 19, 2010 9:17:18 GMT -5
Denounced, I agree with you there are no unplanned pregnancies with consenual sex and I'm very familiar with the history of adoption in the country. You sir have not answered my question. You jumped on BP by suggesting that because she is pro-choice she is automatically pro-abortion. Now I've commented on that notion before on this board... those are two very distinctly different things. I do not know BP but I'm almost certain that she would not down someone for choosing to parent or choosing to place the child up for adoption. She believes that there are three choices. So back to my question with no tap dance answer, do you believe that by being pro-life automatically makes you pro-adoption. It's a yes or no answer.
I can make an assumption based on your previous answer but I won't. Thanks
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Post by BlackPrincess on May 19, 2010 11:29:10 GMT -5
Denouce, we are back at it again I see lol! no excuse me YOU are back it again.
Pro Choice means pro choice...You will not define MY position in this debate!
LOL, I just typed a whole speech about why I am a pro-choicer. Then I deleted it because I explained this already.
Pep...GREAT question and thanks for acknowledging that I stated my position earlier...
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Post by nsync on May 20, 2010 12:10:43 GMT -5
Huh? So the only reason why humans should have sex is to procreate?
What about when birth control fails?
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Post by denounced on May 21, 2010 14:30:18 GMT -5
I answered your question. I just wanted to be sure that no one was going to add those other attached strings, So as i said the first time, no!
"Now I've commented on that notion before on this board... those are two very distinctly different things." Pep
Am I supposed to accept your reasoning? It is pure logic that if you are one, then you are the other. But as for life and adoption, can't wait!!!!!!!!
Okay BP, I'll bite.. Do you believe in a woman's right to CHOOSE an abortion? Now I am very aware of the law of the land, and I am not even discussing what thus saith the Lord, it's about logic.
nsync- I am so glad that people have such an incredible misunderstanding of me. I hate to disappoint you about your assumption, but no I do not believe that. Uh, birth control is made by who? So it is capable of what? Okay!!!!!!!!!
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Post by nsync on May 21, 2010 15:16:19 GMT -5
Okay nuffin.
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Post by BlackPrincess on May 21, 2010 19:30:37 GMT -5
Denounce, I believe in a woman's right to CHOOSE an abortion OR NOT. Remember, a choice requires more than ONE option...
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Post by peppermint on May 21, 2010 19:46:01 GMT -5
Denounced- so if you don't think a woman carrying her child to term means that she MUST give the child up for adoption, why is it so hard to believe some believe there are CHOICES?
Outtie- Not saying that's the only reason to have sex (don't know where Denny is coming from) BUT the very natural consequence and purpose of sex is procreation. By voluntarily engaging in sex, you in some way agree that you are ready for parenthood. On some level, you've decided that you are willing to reproduce with the partner.
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Post by denounced on May 28, 2010 5:49:26 GMT -5
"Denounced- so if you don't think a woman carrying her child to term means that she MUST give the child up for adoption, why is it so hard to believe some believe there are CHOICES?"
MUST! Did I say that? I don't think so, not at all. I never said that I do not believe in choices, but that there are right and wrong choices, sinful ones and godly. My point is that if you believe in a woman's right to choose an abortion, you are pro-abortion. Those two ideals cannot be separated by even the smartest of philosophers.
So are you Pro-Choice Pep?
What has happened is that easy outs are given for improper behavior. Once you drop the moral standard, personal responsibility flies out the door.
There is no way to compare adoption and abortion for the true Christian. I do not believe that adoption is the best option either. But it's not murder, as defined by the absolute moral law of God.
"Denounce, I believe in a woman's right to CHOOSE an abortion OR NOT. Remember, a choice requires more than ONE option..." Thank-You BP
In the eyes of an Absolute Moral Lawgiver, God Himself, you have bitten the fruit of moral relativity. You, as the Supreme Court Justices who "GAVE" women that right, themselves failed to do what they were appointed to do. If you ever have a chance to read Blackmun's majority opinion, it is riddled with contradictions. What does the Declaration of Independence state about life and equality? Have you ever closely read the 9th and 14th amendments?
Example of the hypocrisy: On one hand, he states that the unborn has no rights to protection, but then states that protections should be afforded in the third trimester. But he also made a statement, kind of like the one Obama made about the decision being above his pay grade, or out of his realm expertise. Blackmun admitted this about the development about the unborn, but then establishes guidelines of when a women's right to privacy ends, and when an unborn child's rights under the constitution begins.
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Post by peppermint on May 28, 2010 9:47:06 GMT -5
Denounce, please re-read my sentence. I specifically said you don't believe that adoption is the only choice for carrying to term  I am pro-choice. My moral and spiritual beliefs should not dictate what others do. Like many pro-choices, I'm truly pro-choice. I believe if a woman chooses to carry to term, the assumption that she should give the child up for adoption because she considered abortion needs to stop. She could very well bond with the baby and want to parent. I'm also aware that in a majority of cases, if pro abortion OR pro adoption counselors (let's call these people what they are) actually speak to the father, he would like to have a say. Many times his say is to parent the baby. Counselors on both extremes tend to leave the potential father out of the conversation for good self-serving reasons. In any situation, we need to be able to provide the emotional and sometimes physical support. It's unfair to demand someone have an abortion then not provide her the emotional support to overcome that. It's equally unfair to demand a woman who is unstable have a child knowing full well her child will end up in foster care. |
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Post by denounced on May 28, 2010 10:48:20 GMT -5
Muddying the waters with all kinds of different situations does not change the fact that if you are pro-choice in terms of a woman terminating her pregnancy, then you are by defualt, pro-abortion.
About this discussion for pro-abortionists lending women emotional support after an abortion, the fact is women are seldom provided with the emotional dangers prior to an abortion. As a matter of fact, abortion mills such as planned parenthood fight against women being provided with all the facts prior to an abortion.
"My moral and spiritual beliefs should not dictate what others do." Peppermint
Your beliefs cannot dictate what others do in any facet of their lives, so this is a cop out answer to this and any other moral dilemna. Christians are to say and do what's is right on behalf of all for the benefit of those who will listen. The word "dictate" can be turned in the exact opposite direction. The Supreme court dictated their moral and spiritual views on the rights of women and children in the womb in 1973.
You here women say, it's my body. No man can tell me what to do with my body. Well 7 men did tell you what you could do with your body, and that was to murder yours and your mates' sons and daughters.
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