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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 12, 2009 21:22:13 GMT -5
I agree. But if what you say is true - "I believe its like 70% of inmates in prison have been in a foster home sometime in their lives." - and if what I believe is true; roughly 60-70% of prisoners have been physically and sexually abused as children... I say - it is counter productive to force people to have children when they don't want to. So, my question - to everyone is; If the parent knows that they are unprepared/unfit and we know that the system (for the most part) is unfit, how does forcing a person to have a child benefit, them, the child, or society? @vudu, where did I use abused children to justify abortion? Exact quote please LogAKAlly <3'n Keef, this is my point... people look at stats and say "foster care is the issue" No one is examining why these children are in foster care in the first place!
I believe Diva said she's in child advocacy... how many times do you see DCFS personnel driving in neighborhoods like police officers seeking to snatch random children? It doesn't happen. Someone reported abuse, neglect or abandonment at some point. For whatever reason some people cannot get their ish together and parent safely. Whether we want to accept it or not, there are people out there who are very resentful about having given birth to a child. The reality is that some children are less adoptable than others. People are very quick to say to a woman that she should place the child up for adoption... what if the child is not adopted for several years and is bounced around from foster care home to foster care home? If she chooses to keep the child and needs "welfare," then society is quick to judge her and say "she shouldn't have had children."
Prehaps the focus should be on lowering the unplanned pregnancy rate. In the meantime, who am I to tell someone they should not have an abortion, place the child up for adoption or keep a child because of MY beliefs? I'm not in a position to adopt the children, not too keen on providing long term financial support because her lack of planning became my emergency and unless I know her personally, I would not likely hold her hand while she's having the abortion.
You wrote one line in this post and you thought I was addressing you...? smirk But now since you have typed I will address your thoughts...
#1 DCFS DOES snatch children.. Newborns from child mothers at the court house. I have seen it with my own eyes. Listen damn all this child advocacy.. Who in here has kids? Lets kinda draw the lines right now. If you are not a parent then somethings stated you just won't understand. It's alot of politricks that go on with foster care. I'm a parent but also I have coached kids in foster care and provided drug testing for kids in the homes and also facilitated DNA Testing at almost every juvenile justice center in the Baltimore/Washington DC area. Stop speaking like folks aren't informed. It makes you look foolish.
#2 How would you go about doing this? What is a unplanned pregnancy? When is the RIGHT time to have a child? Yeah I think thats straight bs. There is never a RIGHT time to have a child unless you can tell the future sistah. Ask parents of special needs children who THOUGHT they were prepared. Furthermore this has been the plan all along. Planned parent hood wants to lower population. Making you think ohhh they can't afford the children but you never asked why? Why can't people "afford" children? Why is the wealth of this country controlled by 2% of the population? Why it will NEVER be enough jobs? When you have a society that takes advantage of the very people it was designed to propagate.
Folks need to stop thinking you can throw money at children or provide them with nice foster homes and every thing will be okay. Children are scarred for life because of dysfunctional relationships they have with their parents. EVERY child if there parents are how they are suppose to be wants to be with them. If its really about the children then why in the hell isn't there more programs to rehabilitate the parents? Folks playing a dirty game. Snatching newborns from 13 and 14 year old moms just so they can have them for adoption and make money. I'm going to a protest tomorrow because the Dick head Mayor spent $400,000 to build a addition to the jail for Juvenile offenders in the area but not give a dime to the local Boys and Girls Club that would help keep the youth out the system in the first place. Wake Up. If you gonna point the finger then first get informed on both sides first. I could NEVER look my children in the eyes and think just because I was fucked up or their mom was fucked up they wouldn't still have the right to exist and atleast TRY to make there way. The choice of the mother robs the choice of the child. If it wasn't meant to be she would have a spontaneous abortion on her own. Let nature take its course. |
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Post by peppermint on Apr 12, 2009 22:06:59 GMT -5
^^^ You were aiming the comment towards me, or how foolish of me to presume that because I was the one who mentioned foster care, you replied immediately thereafter with commentary about people using foster care as a justification for abortion. How foolish of me to think that 1+1=2.
1) Why do you assume I am not a parent? You've coached kids in foster care? Have you taken them into your home? Have you adopted them? You know surface level things about them and the situation. As a coach, trust that you do not know the entire situation. So you've issued a drug test or two... how about holding the hand of an infant as they go through blood test after blood test because her mother "didn want a girl" and thus refuses to get her proper medical attention. How about in addition to your own family, knowing someone else's child better than they do because they don't care. Try having a parent call you to find out their kid's birthday or even how to spell the child's name then turn around and ask if they can claim the child on their taxes. DCFS, in no state, goes around snatching random children. This I know for a fact. No one is going through the white pages seeking out children to remove! From the parents' point of view, you may be right, they feel as though someone has invaded their home and took their children. Unfortunately because the children have become so accustomed to being abused, they don't understand that they were in danger. Does this make them "bad parents?" No, but they are not in the running for parent of the year awards. In actuality, it is very difficult to remove children from their parents in most states, particularly the newborns you've mentioned. By the time most children get removed, there was nothing that could have ensured that their safety in the care of their parents.
2) I do not believe that poverty is a reason for someone not to have a child. I believe that someone's unwillingness to provide for their child's basic needs with the expectation that someone else will do it is a form of neglect. I recognize this is not the majority of parents who are on welfare, but it is the minority who gets the attention. When you have a parent tell you that the only reason s/he wants their child is so they can get public assistance... and means it, holla back at me.
3) There are things in place to help "rehabilitate" a parent. The parent has to want rehabilitation. The parent has to want their child (which is part of where this discuss orginated). Federal timelines cause a crunch. This I also know for a fact, but how long should a child wait for their parents to get their ish together? The federal goverment gives 12 months or 15 out of 22 months.... if you are truly serious and doing what you are supposed to do, then an extension will likely be granted. If not, why should the child continue to be in limbo? This is not necessarily a systemic issue. I'm not as uninformed as you may think and far from foolish.
4)There may never be a right time to have a child, BROTHA, but there sure as hell is a wrong time. Who am I, as a person who will not be in the potential parents' home, to tell them whether or not they feel the time is right? Again, I'm not adopting their child, babysitting, paying their bills, etc. People want to create a blanket policy against abortion to solve a problem only to create another. I have yet to hear one politician suggest a support system to assist the parents who would be forced into parenthood should the laws change.
5) No disrespect towards you or any other guy because I do believe that there should be paternal notification instead parental notification, but IT ISN'T YOUR BODY. See as a man you have the choice to be there. If you leave, of course the woman can jump through all types of legal hoops to try to make you do the right thing but if it doesn't work out, SHE will be the one left with the responsibility. Did you know that a study was conducted in a college town and it found that 85% of the women said that they would not have gone through with the abortion had the child's father stepped up and voiced some concern?
6) Good luck at the protest. I do agree, that it is a sad day when we can consistently find money for jails/prisons but everyone cries broke when it comes to education or social welfare progrms.
7) How about we encourage and live abstience outside of marriage and let nature take it's course.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 12, 2009 22:44:13 GMT -5
^^^ You were aiming the comment towards me, or how foolish of me to presume that because I was the one who mentioned foster care, you replied immediately thereafter with commentary about people using foster care as a justification for abortion. How foolish of me to think that 1+1=2. 1) Why do you assume I am not a parent? You've coached kids in foster care? Have you taken them into your home? Have you adopted them? You know surface level things about them and the situation. As a coach, trust that you do not know the entire situation. So you've issued a drug test or two... how about holding the hand of an infant as they go through blood test after blood test because her mother "didn want a girl" and thus refuses to get her proper medical attention. How about in addition to your own family, knowing someone else's child better than they do because they don't care. Try having a parent call you to find out their kid's birthday or even how to spell the child's name then turn around and ask if they can claim the child on their taxes. DCFS, in no state, goes around snatching random children. This I know for a fact. No one is going through the white pages seeking out children to remove! From the parents' point of view, you may be right, they feel as though someone has invaded their home and took their children. Unfortunately because the children have become so accustomed to being abused, they don't understand that they were in danger. Does this make them "bad parents?" No, but they are not in the running for parent of the year awards. In actuality, it is very difficult to remove children from their parents in most states, particularly the newborns you've mentioned. By the time most children get removed, there was nothing that could have ensured that their safety in the care of their parents. 2) I do not believe that poverty is a reason for someone not to have a child. I believe that someone's unwillingness to provide for their child's basic needs with the expectation that someone else will do it is a form of neglect. I recognize this is not the majority of parents who are on welfare, but it is the minority who gets the attention. When you have a parent tell you that the only reason s/he wants their child is so they can get public assistance... and means it, holla back at me. 3) There are things in place to help "rehabilitate" a parent. The parent has to want rehabilitation. The parent has to want their child (which is part of where this discuss orginated). Federal timelines cause a crunch. This I also know for a fact, but how long should a child wait for their parents to get their ish together? The federal goverment gives 12 months or 15 out of 22 months.... if you are truly serious and doing what you are supposed to do, then an extension will likely be granted. If not, why should the child continue to be in limbo? This is not necessarily a systemic issue. I'm not as uninformed as you may think and far from foolish. 4)There may never be a right time to have a child, BROTHA, but there sure as hell is a wrong time. Who am I, as a person who will not be in the potential parents' home, to tell them whether or not they feel the time is right? Again, I'm not adopting their child, babysitting, paying their bills, etc. People want to create a blanket policy against abortion to solve a problem only to create another. I have yet to hear one politician suggest a support system to assist the parents who would be forced into parenthood should the laws change. 5) No disrespect towards you or any other guy because I do believe that there should be paternal notification instead parental notification, but IT ISN'T YOUR BODY. See as a man you have the choice to be there. If you leave, of course the woman can jump through all types of legal hoops to try to make you do the right thing but if it doesn't work out, SHE will be the one left with the responsibility. Did you know that a study was conducted in a college town and it found that 85% of the women said that they would not have gone through with the abortion had the child's father stepped up and voiced some concern? 6) Good luck at the protest. I do agree, that it is a sad day when we can consistently find money for jails/prisons but everyone cries broke when it comes to education or social welfare progrms. 7) How about we encourage and live abstience outside of marriage and let nature take it's course.
Pump ya breaks and stop trying to make this about you chick. My post was a synopsis of everything but more so had to do with Pro Choice. How about Hypnotic how about BP how about everybody who posted in this thread and you think somebody tying to single you out? I don't even know you stop flattering yourself. Furthermore how in the hell can you attempt to gauge someone's acumen with the question have they adopted when you yourself gave the reason you haven't because you don't want long term financial responsibility blah blah. get on with that bs. I'd never use a question to gauge someone on which I'm not doing myself. I can't take seriously anything you have to say now. |
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Post by peppermint on Apr 12, 2009 22:59:29 GMT -5
Vudu can't take me seriously? Well I will just have to crawl under a rock a die from e-shame. I know this isn't about me, it's about abortion. And I said I would not adopt at this time (and FYI, if you didn't notice I work in Child Welfare so in my state could not adopt out of foster care because it'd be a conflict of interest), but I most certainly will. It may help you to ask more questions instead of making assumptions in the future. Then again it would take someone with humility to receive that in love.
<-------goes to crawl under that rock now
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Post by Oldskool on Apr 12, 2009 23:44:40 GMT -5
Peppermint!!  ! out from under that rock and stand your ground!![/color]
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Post by 123Diva on Apr 12, 2009 23:55:40 GMT -5
@ Peppermint: I don't work for a child welfare agency of any sort.
Also, I don't think that the argument I gave was pro-life or pro-choice. It was meant to play devil's advocate.
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Post by peppermint on Apr 13, 2009 0:16:29 GMT -5
Peppermint!! ! out from under that rock and stand your ground!! [/color][/quote] Whew, thanks OS, my hair was getting messing up under there |
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Post by peppermint on Apr 13, 2009 0:18:34 GMT -5
@ Peppermint: I don't work for a child welfare agency of any sort. Also, I don't think that the argument I gave was pro-life or pro-choice. It was meant to play devil's advocate. I stand corrected, Diva is not in child advocacy. It doesn't really affect my position on the subject. |
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Post by Oldskool on Apr 13, 2009 0:38:25 GMT -5
That's the spirit... 
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 13, 2009 0:39:00 GMT -5
Vudu can't take me seriously? Well I will just have to crawl under a rock a die from e-shame. I know this isn't about me, it's about abortion. And I said I would not adopt at this time (and FYI, if you didn't notice I work in Child Welfare so in my state could not adopt out of foster care because it'd be a conflict of interest), but I most certainly will. It may help you to ask more questions instead of making assumptions in the future. Then again it would take someone with humility to receive that in love. <-------goes to crawl under that rock now
I'm not in a position to adopt the children, not too keen on providing long term financial support because her lack of planning became my emergency and unless I know her personally,-Peppermint
Now why would I ask you more questions when you stated the above? The aforementioned seemed to be absolute. You said you had not adopted and you gave the reason.... Nowwww you say>>>> "And I said I would not adopt at this time (and FYI, if you didn't notice I work in Child Welfare so in my state could not adopt out of foster care because it'd be a conflict of interest), but I most certainly will.-Peppermint " Soooo I guess you think since I have the chat name Vudu I have special powah's? Sistah men are never mind readers. Say what you mean the first time. |
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Post by peppermint on Apr 14, 2009 16:11:11 GMT -5
Vudu can't take me seriously? Well I will just have to crawl under a rock a die from e-shame. I know this isn't about me, it's about abortion. And I said I would not adopt at this time (and FYI, if you didn't notice I work in Child Welfare so in my state could not adopt out of foster care because it'd be a conflict of interest), but I most certainly will. It may help you to ask more questions instead of making assumptions in the future. Then again it would take someone with humility to receive that in love. <-------goes to crawl under that rock now
I'm not in a position to adopt the children, not too keen on providing long term financial support because her lack of planning became my emergency and unless I know her personally,-Peppermint
Now why would I ask you more questions when you stated the above? The aforementioned seemed to be absolute. You said you had not adopted and you gave the reason.... Nowwww you say>>>> "And I said I would not adopt at this time (and FYI, if you didn't notice I work in Child Welfare so in my state could not adopt out of foster care because it'd be a conflict of interest), but I most certainly will.-Peppermint " Soooo I guess you think since I have the chat name Vudu I have special powah's? Sistah men are never mind readers. Say what you mean the first time. Okay, not in a position AT THIS TIME. I hope that tickles your fancy. And no, I do not believe in long term welfare. I'm sorry if it offends you or anyone else who may read this. At a certain point someone has to want to do for themselves. Greater than that want, at a certain point, you have to either man up or woman up. Why should someone else bear the burden for years and years? For every excuse someone has not to do better, there are at least two more to do the opposite. But back to the topic at hand, I like how someone put the pro-choice, pro-abortion, pro-adoption definitions. I actually met someone last week who stated outright he is pro-abortion. His point of view is different from many pro-choicers. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 14, 2009 16:27:15 GMT -5
I'm not in a position to adopt the children, not too keen on providing long term financial support because her lack of planning became my emergency and unless I know her personally,-Peppermint
Now why would I ask you more questions when you stated the above? The aforementioned seemed to be absolute. You said you had not adopted and you gave the reason.... Nowwww you say>>>> "And I said I would not adopt at this time (and FYI, if you didn't notice I work in Child Welfare so in my state could not adopt out of foster care because it'd be a conflict of interest), but I most certainly will.-Peppermint " Soooo I guess you think since I have the chat name Vudu I have special powah's? Sistah men are never mind readers. Say what you mean the first time. Okay, not in a position AT THIS TIME. I hope that tickles your fancy. And no, I do not believe in long term welfare. I'm sorry if it offends you or anyone else who may read this. At a certain point someone has to want to do for themselves. Greater than that want, at a certain point, you have to either man up or woman up. Why should someone else bear the burden for years and years? For every excuse someone has not to do better, there are at least two more to do the opposite. But back to the topic at hand, I like how someone put the pro-choice, pro-abortion, pro-adoption definitions. I actually met someone last week who stated outright he is pro-abortion. His point of view is different from many pro-choicers.
So which is it Peppermint Patty. You have chosen not to adopt because you don't believe in providing the long term benefits for the child because of the irresponsibility of the parent OR because you are in the social work field and its a conflict of interest? |
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Post by coldfront06 on Apr 14, 2009 18:48:13 GMT -5
I try to stay away from the abortion debate, but I can't wrap my brain around the idea that any child would have been better off not being born. I think that logic is potentially dangerous and it places a value system on the life of a child based upon its parents' circumstances.
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Post by peppermint on Apr 14, 2009 20:25:34 GMT -5
Okay, not in a position AT THIS TIME. I hope that tickles your fancy. And no, I do not believe in long term welfare. I'm sorry if it offends you or anyone else who may read this. At a certain point someone has to want to do for themselves. Greater than that want, at a certain point, you have to either man up or woman up. Why should someone else bear the burden for years and years? For every excuse someone has not to do better, there are at least two more to do the opposite. But back to the topic at hand, I like how someone put the pro-choice, pro-abortion, pro-adoption definitions. I actually met someone last week who stated outright he is pro-abortion. His point of view is different from many pro-choicers.
So which is it Peppermint Patty. You have chosen not to adopt because you don't believe in providing the long term benefits for the child because of the irresponsibility of the parent OR because you are in the social work field and its a conflict of interest?It's Ms. Patty, but I think I see where you are confused about my point of view. When I say providing long term support, I'm talking about a parent who has custody of his/her child but is not providing for the child's basic needs. Instead the parent is dependent upon the welfare system or expecting others to handle their business for them. If someone is adopting a child, s/he isn't "providing long term support" they are parenting. <--------- hopes Vudu is no longer confused |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 14, 2009 21:44:03 GMT -5
So which is it Peppermint Patty. You have chosen not to adopt because you don't believe in providing the long term benefits for the child because of the irresponsibility of the parent OR because you are in the social work field and its a conflict of interest?It's Ms. Patty, but I think I see where you are confused about my point of view. When I say providing long term support, I'm talking about a parent who has custody of his/her child but is not providing for the child's basic needs. Instead the parent is dependent upon the welfare system or expecting others to handle their business for them. If someone is adopting a child, s/he isn't "providing long term support" they are parenting. <--------- hopes Vudu is no longer confused
You're right I am confused because your response was Lukewarm. I attacked your initial response then you changed up and went in another direction. I think you should just hit the buzzer sistah and exit the game. You're good at what you do though. Flip flopping. lol Please I hope you don't do this type of stuff in your personal life. Dizam! Here is a song from me to you sistah... It fits ya. |
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Post by nsync on Apr 15, 2009 20:25:30 GMT -5
I do social work. Everyday I have to get up meditate, take a walk (most times lol) pray, read an inspirational passage and drink an orange soda...not necessarily in that order(lol)...before I set out to work with my children who most often have traumatic pasts due to parents who are not fit. When a person says they don't want a child, they probably mean it. I work with the juvenile justice system. These stats are pretty much in order. I am not saying these kids should be aborted, but I am saying that folks who are pro-life should take social responsibility and care for the children who do not have stable parenting or parents who can/or want to care for these children. Because it does become a social problem and it's our kids that get lost in the system. Many end up behind bars or dead before 21. So much for prolife when half the time these kids are being set up for physical and spiritual death from day one. Interesting post... We can't use the extreme of what some children go through as means to justify Abortion. Please don't do that because thats the same jargon used for population control and was a hallmark of the eugenics movement. Instead of building massive treatment facilities for the affected so that the bond between mother and child stays pure this society would rather heighten the problems push the kids through the system and push them right into the jail system. I believe its like 70% of inmates in prison have been in a foster home sometime in their lives. Make the connection you will understand the true problem. I agree. But if what you say is true - "I believe its like 70% of inmates in prison have been in a foster home sometime in their lives." - and if what I believe is true; roughly 60-70% of prisoners have been physically and sexually abused as children... I say - it is counter productive to force people to have children when they don't want to. So, my question - to everyone is; If the parent knows that they are unprepared/unfit and we know that the system (for the most part) is unfit, how does forcing a person to have a child benefit, them, the child, or society? |
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Apr 15, 2009 20:33:42 GMT -5
I do social work. Everyday I have to get up meditate, take a walk (most times lol) pray, read an inspirational passage and drink an orange soda...not necessarily in that order(lol)...before I set out to work with my children who most often have traumatic pasts due to parents who are not fit. When a person says they don't want a child, they probably mean it. I work with the juvenile justice system. These stats are pretty much in order. I am not saying these kids should be aborted, but I am saying that folks who are pro-life should take social responsibility and care for the children who do not have stable parenting or parents who can/or want to care for these children. Because it does become a social problem and it's our kids that get lost in the system. Many end up behind bars or dead before 21. So much for prolife when half the time these kids are being set up for physical and spiritual death from day one. I agree. But if what you say is true - "I believe its like 70% of inmates in prison have been in a foster home sometime in their lives." - and if what I believe is true; roughly 60-70% of prisoners have been physically and sexually abused as children... I say - it is counter productive to force people to have children when they don't want to. So, my question - to everyone is; If the parent knows that they are unprepared/unfit and we know that the system (for the most part) is unfit, how does forcing a person to have a child benefit, them, the child, or society? WE ARE >>>>HERE<<<<<< EXALT! |
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Post by peppermint on Apr 15, 2009 23:23:40 GMT -5
I do social work. Everyday I have to get up meditate, take a walk (most times lol) pray, read an inspirational passage and drink an orange soda...not necessarily in that order(lol)...before I set out to work with my children who most often have traumatic pasts due to parents who are not fit. When a person says they don't want a child, they probably mean it. I work with the juvenile justice system. These stats are pretty much in order. I am not saying these kids should be aborted, but I am saying that folks who are pro-life should take social responsibility and care for the children who do not have stable parenting or parents who can/or want to care for these children.Because it does become a social problem and it's our kids that get lost in the system. Many end up behind bars or dead before 21. So much for prolife when half the time these kids are being set up for physical and spiritual death from day one. I agree. But if what you say is true - "I believe its like 70% of inmates in prison have been in a foster home sometime in their lives." - and if what I believe is true; roughly 60-70% of prisoners have been physically and sexually abused as children... I say - it is counter productive to force people to have children when they don't want to. So, my question - to everyone is; If the parent knows that they are unprepared/unfit and we know that the system (for the most part) is unfit, how does forcing a person to have a child benefit, them, the child, or society? Be EXALTED! I'm Pepsi instead of Orange Soda though LOL |
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Post by peppermint on Apr 15, 2009 23:29:11 GMT -5
It's Ms. Patty, but I think I see where you are confused about my point of view. When I say providing long term support, I'm talking about a parent who has custody of his/her child but is not providing for the child's basic needs. Instead the parent is dependent upon the welfare system or expecting others to handle their business for them. If someone is adopting a child, s/he isn't "providing long term support" they are parenting. <--------- hopes Vudu is no longer confused
You're right I am confused because your response was Lukewarm. I attacked your initial response then you changed up and went in another direction. I think you should just hit the buzzer sistah and exit the game. You're good at what you do though. Flip flopping. lol Please I hope you don't do this type of stuff in your personal life. Dizam! Here is a song from me to you sistah... It fits ya.The response was not lukewarm, you just could not comprehend it. You are probably one of those individuals who is not always right but is never wrong. When you get to the level where you can understand a point that a middle schooler could understand, then holla back... til then, read a book. |
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Post by Cambist on Apr 16, 2009 9:49:10 GMT -5
I am...- Pro-Choice to be Pro-Life...(figure THAT one out)
- A parent of two beautiful children
I have....- Volunteered as a "Baby Cuddler" at the hospital holding premature, crack addicted, meth problem, abandoned babies
- Grown up going with mom to the hospital to remove babies from the mother to place into foster care
- Held teenagers (both male and female) who cry and wonder why their parents didn't want them or why the mom or dad molested or allowed them to be molested, or why mom burned them with the cigarettes or iron...
I believe....- That every person has worth but that we will be judged as a society on how we treat the most vulnerable....old people, grossly disabled, babies, etc...
- Abortion should remain an option
- Population control is already occuring.....naturally (more on this later)
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Apr 16, 2009 10:06:40 GMT -5
Awww @ Volunteering as a baby cuddler. That had to be the best gig on the planet! ESPECIALLY for YOU!!!
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Post by 123Diva on Apr 16, 2009 11:00:12 GMT -5
<----really wants to volunteer at a hospital or clinic where she can work with newborns
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Apr 16, 2009 11:03:54 GMT -5
Me too. I love babies, especially newborns.
I wanted to be a neonatal nurse...........................*le sigh*
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Post by coldfront06 on Apr 16, 2009 11:46:13 GMT -5
Me too. I love babies, especially newborns. I wanted to be a neonatal nurse...........................*le sigh* Stop sighing...its never too late |
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Apr 16, 2009 12:03:10 GMT -5
Me too. I love babies, especially newborns. I wanted to be a neonatal nurse...........................*le sigh* Stop sighing...its never too late You right, but one dream is tugging at my heart more than anything right now................... |
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Apr 16, 2009 12:07:12 GMT -5
I love the way babies smell...even the milk neck.
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Apr 16, 2009 12:08:31 GMT -5
I love the way babies smell...even the milk neck. LOL! New baby smell. It is a wonderful smell. Purity, innocence and love all wrapped up in a bundle of joy! |
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Apr 16, 2009 12:13:18 GMT -5
I love the way babies smell...even the milk neck. LOL! New baby smell. It is a wonderful smell. Purity, innocence and love all wrapped up in a bundle of joy! <~~sniffing Brie  |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 16, 2009 12:19:20 GMT -5
You're right I am confused because your response was Lukewarm. I attacked your initial response then you changed up and went in another direction. I think you should just hit the buzzer sistah and exit the game. You're good at what you do though. Flip flopping. lol Please I hope you don't do this type of stuff in your personal life. Dizam! Here is a song from me to you sistah... It fits ya.The response was not lukewarm, you just could not comprehend it. You are probably one of those individuals who is not always right but is never wrong. When you get to the level where you can understand a point that a middle schooler could understand, then holla back... til then, read a book.
Are you serious? You can have your opinion and all sistah but you asked Water a father of 5 children has he adopted. You then put out a reason for not adopting. I called you on it and then you go in another direction with an EXCUSE. If nobody will tell you I will... Thats wrong. Will always be wrong. Period. Handle that deficiency before you even continue to carry on. How can I take anything you have to say with merit when I'm not sure if you will stand by it when it's shown to be unsat. Geez lol The debater in me would like to ask you where you do social work so I can see the policies for myself. In Maryland I know plenty of social workers who are care givers and have nice foster homes for children. I'm trying to give you a pass here but you keep bumping your gums. You are out of the game until you figure out where you want to stand on this issue.
As for a child facing all these dangers with "spiritual and physical trauma" as Outtie put it. Please tell me Outtie and others.... Outside of the home life what is a Foster Child facing in this world DIFFERENT than my own children? To me not a damn thing. This society is fucked up and I'm getting the sentiment that you guys think some how if a child has two parent and a good home that they are set. WRONG. There are no guarantee's (been saying that since page 1). Nothing is absolute with child rearing in this society therefore you can't justify a child not living or put the weight on those who have kept ourselves and children out of the system. It amazes me sometimes when folks in the system be it social work or police who complain about the people but say nothing about the system. So since you haven't I will share what I have observed.
Two years ago at a very nice Foster Care Home (which had 2 sister homes) I was asked to provide drug testing. How it works is if I drug test your child and they pop (postive test) I have to confirm that pop with a lab based test. All 30 children popped for Amphetamines, Cocaine or both. So I'm like damn. I then asked to see the medicine list for all three houses. Come to find out every kid was doped up with Amphetamine and Codiene based meds so much in their system that it rendered positives on test. Social Workers.. explain to me why the same drugs on a chemical classification level that these children have been snatched from their parents for they are then placed on for long term? Why is the system drugging these kids instead of seeking more homeopathic methods when it comes to mediation of behavioral problems such as better nutrition and exercise? Why does the system force the foster facility or mother to give these children the medications?
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Apr 16, 2009 12:23:57 GMT -5
Nice questions Vudu!
That's pretty screwed up if you ask me........it's like the kids seems to be worse off in the system.............................
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