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Post by Coldfront06 on Feb 23, 2010 11:24:08 GMT -5
did yall really think white folks wasnt gonna retaliate after that lil colored boy in tights won the gold medal in speed skating? they said we done went too far... Funniest post in the thread...LOL! Hell we took over basketball, Tiger has golf on lock (when he gets out of rehab), this just might be an episode of Revenge of the Crackers...lol. I can imagine them having similar conversations when Tiger won his first Masters. "We should have never let them niggers in!" |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 23, 2010 12:04:24 GMT -5
Sometimes you have to let the brush fire burn..... |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 23, 2010 12:09:19 GMT -5
On a side note, I just got an e-mail from an older Chapter Bruh concerning the topic and he basically called the results hot buttered bull$h!t and blames (surprise surprise) Greek organizations from getting away from tradition. Just about every Bruh who I have talked to and weighed in on the subject thinks that results are ridiculous and think it's directly attributable to Greeks getting further away from Tradition year after year.
Interesting.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Feb 23, 2010 12:09:23 GMT -5
Riddle me this Batman.....Could any of us learn to Riverdance in a matter of weeks and beat some Irish in their highest level of competition in a matter of weeks? This ain't "Hoosiers". I just had to log in and say this chit right hea.... Is damn Hilarious. lol damn team you hit that chit on the head. I say stuff is about to come full circle. Bruhz need to start actually PRACTICING and not thinking your yard march will actually win a show. As for our traditions and how we March team... We have nothing to worry about. We are not Gum Boot inspired and the peckerwoods don't have enough soul to totally mimic us even if some Cat azz bruhs were to show them. The youngins just need to know its soooo much more to Marchin than just Hopping. Hopping to Marching is like what Rap is to Hip Hop. It came last and gets the most attention. |
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Post by Cambist on Feb 23, 2010 12:26:11 GMT -5
Sometimes you have to let the brush fire burn..... LOL! i haven't seen 2012 but I assume this is a reference to the movie. We spend entirely too much time trying to preserve and protect our intake traditions from ourselves that we are losing our collective soul to commercialism. If you don't have a plan, any result is just fine. We (BGLO's) have assumed that our traditions were so strong that they would always stand without protection or active cultivation. Nobody stole jazz....we gave it away...we just stopped protecting by teaching it to our kids and maintaining the purity of it. Same thing with this.... Once the brush fire burns out, we either will or we wont reclaim our traditions...... |
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Post by Alc 06 on Feb 23, 2010 12:52:53 GMT -5
did yall really think white folks wasnt gonna retaliate after that lil colored boy in tights won the gold medal in speed skating? they said we done went too far... Funniest post in the thread...LOL! Hell we took over basketball, Tiger has golf on lock (when he gets out of rehab), this just might be an episode of Revenge of the Crackers...lol. I can imagine them having similar conversations when Tiger won his first Masters. "We should have never let them niggers in!" Lol. I thought about Tiger's first masters as well. By the way, the 67 year-old bus beatdown of Mr. Ambalamps is a microcosm of this whole thing. YT stood up and hit some people square in the mouf. |
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Post by uncleruckus06 on Feb 23, 2010 12:57:23 GMT -5
"Nobody knows the trouble I've seen. Nobody knows my sorrow" Give it up to the girls. They knew what needed to happen and they made it happened. Attachments:
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Post by Cambist on Feb 23, 2010 12:58:44 GMT -5
I knew one of you coons would come check out this conversation!
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 23, 2010 13:16:24 GMT -5
Commercialization isn't a brush fire... it's the Dec 12, 2012 Solar Flare that reduces the world of step to a smoldering cinder. LOL! i haven't seen 2012 but I assume this is a reference to the movie. We spend entirely too much time trying to preserve and protect our intake traditions from ourselves that we are losing our collective soul to commercialism. If you don't have a plan, any result is just fine. We (BGLO's) have assumed that our traditions were so strong that they would always stand without protection or active cultivation. Nobody stole jazz....we gave it away...we just stopped protecting by teaching it to our kids and maintaining the purity of it. Same thing with this.... Once the brush fire burns out, we either will or we wont reclaim our traditions...... |
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Post by Cambist on Feb 23, 2010 13:48:36 GMT -5
It's not stealing...jazz was never going to just remain in the night clubs of Kansas City, Chicago and Harlem....it was going to branch out. Our problem is that we gave it up. We disconnected ourselves from anything "Black" in exchange for something more "refined" or something less artistic.
We give our culture away...and there's nothing wrong with sharing it...as long as you don't abandon it. We have abandoned stepping for dancing, skits and other bullchyt. So no, they didn't steal it.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 23, 2010 14:04:48 GMT -5
It's not stealing...jazz was never going to just remain in the night clubs of Kansas City, Chicago and Harlem....it was going to branch out. Our problem is that we gave it up. We disconnected ourselves from anything "Black" in exchange for something more "refined" or something less artistic. We give our culture away...and there's nothing wrong with sharing it...as long as you don't abandon it. We have abandoned stepping for dancing, skits and other bullchyt. So no, they didn't steal it.
We don't abandon, we innovate. And they follow. You think they won't be crumping in 5 or 6 years? Your girl with the flu shot already has the fundamentals. It's just a matter of time before they get that. And by the time they do, we'll have innovated something else.
The difference is, if there was a contest... they wouldn't be credited with doing the basic $h!t that we've been doing literally for years, over us doing the stuff that even WE haven't seen before.
Game. Set. Match to Damie.
*Meets Cam at the net and shakes hands then waves diplomatically at the crowd* |
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Post by Oldskool on Feb 23, 2010 14:24:29 GMT -5
It's not stealing... We have abandoned stepping for dancing, skits and other bullchyt. So no, they didn't steal it.
EXALT! |
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Post by Cambist on Feb 23, 2010 14:52:42 GMT -5
**waves off Damie because the match ain't over**
Damie, it's easy to call the match for yourself. LOL!!
Even when Third Bass, Beastie Boys, et al came to the scene, why did we have to abandon ship? Those guys (white rappers) were good and entertaining but why did we have to run the other way? We give our stuff away. Rap went hard core because the focus changed. Something hard and dirty was coming out of LA....Ice T and NWA were talking some different shyt and saying it in a different way. We never gave up rap....we simply drank the kool aid of manufactured masculinity.
Rock and Roll was stolen but you cannot compare the Sprite Step Off to what happened with R&R though. You even admitted that we converted our step shows into dance offs and "Bring it On" type cheerleading competitions. So for us, the steps of old we're not good enough. We distanced ourselves from those because they weren't hot.
Jazz, tap dancing, now stepping....we gave it away in the name of sharing. Now, it seems, we will abandon it because we don't play well with others.
Deuce game
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Post by Cambist on Feb 23, 2010 14:57:56 GMT -5
Plus, ZTA chapter is from Fayetteville.....those are not just white girls....those are ARKANSAS white girls! LOL!!
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 23, 2010 14:58:39 GMT -5
The difference is, if there was a contest... they wouldn't be credited with doing the basic $h!t that we've been doing literally for years, over us doing the stuff that even WE haven't seen before. ] [/color][/quote] Worth re-stating. That is the gist of it to me, that paragraph right there. If the AKAs, or any other black org. had done that same routine, they would not have placed, let alone won, why? Because most of us (greeks and some non-greeks) have all seen those moves before. To me, that is where the inconsistency falls in, but that's just me. And for the record, I've seen some posters say, "You can't be mad at ZTA." No one (at least not me) is mad at ZTA, they didn't judge the show. I'm mad at the D9 orgs., mine included for ever participating in the first place. |
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Post by Robelite on Feb 23, 2010 15:18:48 GMT -5
This thread's gonna reach 30 pages!
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Post by perroloco on Feb 23, 2010 17:01:35 GMT -5
Riddle me this Batman.....Could any of us learn to Riverdance in a matter of weeks and beat some Irish in their highest level of competition in a matter of weeks? This ain't "Hoosiers". I just had to log in and say this chit right hea.... Is damn Hilarious. lol damn team you hit that chit on the head. I say stuff is about to come full circle. Bruhz need to start actually PRACTICING and not thinking your yard march will actually win a show. As for our traditions and how we March team... We have nothing to worry about. We are not Gum Boot inspired and the peckerwoods don't have enough soul to totally mimic us even if some Cat azz bruhs were to show them. The youngins just need to know its soooo much more to Marchin than just Hopping. Hopping to Marching is like what Rap is to Hip Hop. It came last and gets the most attention. Of course Bruh, I was at the N.O. Clave where y'all marched and got 2nd, but a great show nonetheless. Because we are so about tradition, we lose most of these shows because we don't "dance" or skit our way through a show. Back to the matter at hand. It is not a travesty that ZTA won. Again, they were good and had the wow factor and they actually stepped with precision and dare I say it, enthisiasm. It was all very unexpected. This isn't a matter of them "stealing" our culture as much as it is about us giving away what makes us unique. The problem is the NPHC co-signing with performing with non-NPHC. We are the draw, we are the culture. Now Becky Phi Becky has the cache to teach other white sororities to step, host their own step-shows, go to large sponsors, etc. This will quickly become a huge fad with white sororoties and fraternities because its different and black (which equals "cool") Just like Pat Boone took Little Richard songs and became bigger than him.......its gonna happen. Last thing, white can be good or great but rarely can it be authentic. With the exception of Teena Marie, is there really a white female singer with real "soul". Is there a really good white Gospel singer? The kind that can make you cry and seek Jesus? No, because they don't come from where we're from. While very good techicians and fine performers of mimicry, does ZTA's show make you feel like they come from the same place? Yeah, they practiced but did they earn the right.....live the life......travel the road..... Its a Que thing I guess |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Feb 23, 2010 17:19:48 GMT -5
In the future...just say no or at least don't teach them so well that they take your isht and run with it. Teach folks the very basic stuff or just say "no we can't do that" and keep it moving.
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 23, 2010 18:03:21 GMT -5
Which is what I've been saying from jump, Bun.
But us on this board, only represent the orgs. we aren't the voice of orgs as a whole which is made up of 1,000 upon 1,000 of members. We on this board do not make final decisions for our orgs cause if that was the case, AKA wouldn't have participated.
We are only a pebble in a pond full of rocks. So all though us members on this board may not agree, it's what the whole says that goes, hence why D9 orgs. participated.
I do find it funny that others have said the same thing, like we (us posters on this board) have the final say so in what our orgs. do, lol!
We are just venting to each other (greeks to greeks that is).
Oh well, it is what it is.
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Post by juschill on Feb 23, 2010 19:13:50 GMT -5
I just dont get why BGLO's are to "blame"? Are we blaming them for participating, or are we blaming them because they lost?....i feel like if they woulda won, nobody would give a damn, and some chapter (and prolly some of yall on here) woulda been rejoicin at the fact that yall just struck gold with this trillion dollar prize.
this competition wasnt about "who's traditions meant the most to XYZ and how it transcends through the art of stepping". it was about who stepped the best.
so no matter who the heck the judges were, why should ANY of the judging criteria be based on "how/why stepping was founded?"
if i enter a cooking contest with 5 other italians and make a mean pasta better than ALL 5 of them, why should ANY of them win based on the fact that the dish is traditionally italian? that wasnt what the competition was about...
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 23, 2010 21:31:12 GMT -5
3rd Bass? Cam you are seriously about to destroy all b-boy credibility you have with declaring 3rd Bass "good". Like one day you're going to go in the Entertainment Section and say how Whodini's single "Friends" was a classic song... and even thouogh we instinctively know that it's true... we're gonna think twice about it and be slow to agree because you are also the guy that said 3rd Bass was "good".
I disagree that we give our stuff away for free... industry seeks to capitalize on our creative culture every 30 or 40 years like clock work... you could set your watch by it. You say the focus changed in rap... why did it change Cam? What was the complaint? People were going pop. People were going commercial. Hammer was selling KFC and Taco Bell and the rap community didn't like it. Hell every other song was lamenting and criticizing people "crossing over".
The Sprite Step Off is the exact same mechanism. Find the unique Black Cultural item, throw money at it, put a white face on it, market it, profit off it. It follows the same pattern everytime. We don't give it away in sharing, it gets commercialized and commandeered. Where the D9 is at fault is in going along with the Tom Foolery. By participating in it and NOT dictating the rules to Sprite, but instead allowing them to dictate to us the rules and how it would all go down - we cosign the ludicrous and forfeit authority.
*Calls Double Foot Fault on Cam, Cam explodes threatening to cram a tennis ball down the Line Judge's throat. Cam is subsequently disqualified.*
Game, Set, Match, to Damie.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 23, 2010 21:45:51 GMT -5
I just dont get why BGLO's are to "blame"? Are we blaming them for participating, or are we blaming them because they lost?....i feel like if they woulda won, nobody would give a damn, and some chapter (and prolly some of yall on here) woulda been rejoicin at the fact that yall just struck gold with this trillion dollar prize. this competition wasnt about "who's traditions meant the most to XYZ and how it transcends through the art of stepping". it was about who stepped the best. so no matter who the heck the judges were, why should ANY of the judging criteria be based on "how/why stepping was founded?" if i enter a cooking contest with 5 other italians and make a mean pasta better than ALL 5 of them, why should ANY of them win based on the fact that the dish is traditionally italian? that wasnt what the competition was about...
To your analogy: if other people in the cooking contest had distinctive pasta types and you had never even cooked before so you got a recipe from other contestants and mimicked it as best you could
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If you made a pasta that was basic but good, but another contestant showed up with a pasta with a flavor that no one ever tasted before
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If pasta were usually rewarded for creating new flavors, but in this case the judges had never tasted ANY pasta before...
...then we start having something approaching how this last show went down. In a contest about creativity, creativity should be rewarded, not ignored in place of novelty. |
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Post by Cambist on Feb 23, 2010 22:22:25 GMT -5
LOL@ Damie
3rd Bass was entertaining. Commercialization is America. It is now the world. If it's popular then it becomes "Pop" by definition. It was only a matter of time before some rapper came on the scene to lighten the air...(pun intended). Folks were still listening to other hip hop artists who had gone mainstream. We have to accept that not everyone was going to feel NWA or U-God. Give the mainstream Will Smith as the Fresh Prince and they buy more of it. It's the market. Commericalization is inevitable.....look at the movie "Skulls"...even their shit got commercialized.
It's like watching little white boys throw the hooks after they make a shot in little league. That's the beginning of the commercialization. It cannot be stopped. All we can do is preserve the purity of our traditions.
For the record...neither was really THAT innovative. Neither really did anything that made me go "WOW". It was all gimmick. Both were good. The judges chose who they liked. *shrug*
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 23, 2010 22:48:48 GMT -5
Cam, that leg trick my sorors did I've never seen before, and I've participated and judged as long as watch my fair share of step shows from '99 on up. Just saying.
Ok, carry on.
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Post by Cambist on Feb 23, 2010 23:43:46 GMT -5
It WAS nice (especially since they were fine) but not a game changer....
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 24, 2010 0:16:18 GMT -5
It was innovative, different, unique,difficult, along with some other things they did. That is just the step winner/competitor/judger/cheerleader/ performer in me. They made that and other things they did seem effortless but I know from experience it is anything but. But the key to a dynamic show is to take something difficult and make it look so easy and to make it seem like its not taking all your strength but you know on the inside you are on the brink of exhaustion but you find that 2nd wind to keep going to bring it home to the team, all unbeknown to the audience. Lawd those were the days! And my sorors did that.
Oh well, tis my opinion, as is yours, to each their own.
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Post by Bunny Hop on Feb 24, 2010 7:54:31 GMT -5
I just dont get why BGLO's are to "blame"? Are we blaming them for participating, or are we blaming them because they lost?.... i feel like if they woulda won, nobody would give a damn, and some chapter (and prolly some of yall on here) woulda been rejoicin at the fact that yall just struck gold with this trillion dollar prize.this competition wasnt about "who's traditions meant the most to XYZ and how it transcends through the art of stepping". it was about who stepped the best. so no matter who the heck the judges were, why should ANY of the judging criteria be based on "how/why stepping was founded?" if i enter a cooking contest with 5 other italians and make a mean pasta better than ALL 5 of them, why should ANY of them win based on the fact that the dish is traditionally italian? that wasnt what the competition was about... ITA with the bolded. |
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Post by adisa on Feb 24, 2010 9:10:02 GMT -5
LOL. My my pale faced peeps <--- here are loving it! L.M.A.O.! Somebody post some comments or links to other sites for me, please. I gotta get my butt to work now. |
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Post by Cambist on Feb 24, 2010 9:25:50 GMT -5
They are loving it more because so many BGLO members are flipping out over it. Folks being sick over the loss makes the victory that much sweeter!
Had the AKA's won, they would have been in here talking about how well the ZTA's performed, etc... but instead, everyone is up in arms.
We can continue to discuss how the K's got cheated or how the competition was rigged or how "they" are stealing our culture and traditions.....in the end....WE entered the competition, WE legitimized the event and WE obviously didnt think WE would lose.....
....but it happened....
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Post by Cambist on Feb 24, 2010 9:28:52 GMT -5
Oh well, tis my opinion, as is yours, to each their own.  |
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