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Post by Sapphire on Feb 22, 2010 16:34:54 GMT -5
LOL. See they did that on purpose. It's a C-O-N-Spiracy!
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 22, 2010 16:46:18 GMT -5
I hope none of us participate. I wasn't a proponent of this because I don't believe in participating in a step show that isn't put on by a school or BGLO because 1. The others don't get what we do and 2. They are making a profit us. They get way more then the prize money they give out.
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Post by QUIET As Kept on Feb 22, 2010 17:08:37 GMT -5
And there it is! We keep giving it to them, and they keep running with it. I keep hoping that one day we'll learn to stop giving our culture away....but then we do it again. Okay, let's be real & say what everybody's thinking... People, PLEASE stop teach the "others" our chyt! EVERY time our beautiful, creative people create & master an art form, they seep in &, supposedly innocently, steal it from us. It happened with gospel & jazz. It happened with hip hop & R&B. It's happened with practically EVERY art form considered distinctly 'American.' It is happening RIGHT NOW with BGLO traditions, especially stepping. We are selling ourselves out, over & over again, and 'they' are walking away with the spoils of our people's hard work...every time. It's ridiculous. Show some pride & love for our traditions...stop doing this chyt! Yes, I know the hand I'm pointing has 3 fingers pointing back at my own (y'all know what colors I rock)...but it needs to be said. We need to hear it too, that's for dayum sure. *hops down off soapbox* |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 22, 2010 17:18:25 GMT -5
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 22, 2010 17:39:10 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion to follow: I wouldn't say that anyone got robbed... mainly because the Becky's didn't suck. Granted, most of the excitement and points were probably based on the shock value and the amazement that you can have that many white folks on a stage with rythm, but the crowd was even giving them more love. From what I can tell they beat you (D9) at your own game. And folks can be mad about it, but in the end they were decent. They came in, no talking and just stepped and did their thing. Folks have been robbed in other step shows. The problem is that it's usually losing to the D9; in this case it's YT 1, Negii 0. Not sure why this was open to all (there were only Black folks in the Stomp the Yard equivelant LOL) but I don't think it's fair to be mad at them for winning. If anything we should be mad at us for losing. I didn't attend the show and I haven't seen every performance, but I'm trying to figure out why you all let them even get in the top 3. Where they do that at? *Goes back to avoiding the Greek section*
In this show the AKAs did at least 2 steps I doubt ANYONE has ever seen ANY organization do... AND they had a tight show on top of that with fewer mistakes (actually both the AKAs and the ZTAs had mistakes in their shows, smalls ones, but the AKAs had less). The ZTAs did steps, moves, even themes that we have all done before and seen before. They did it well, I dare say they acquitted themselves well.
But they didn't do anything innovative because, not surprisingly they don't have a bag of tricks to pull from. This is the first time doing it - they're only just now beginning to create their bag. But following your unpopular opinion, they could hold this contest next year, and the ZTAs could do the AKA's one legged step and legitimatly win via text message voting, and we would just chalk it up and say... oh well you shouldn't have let them win. I'm sorry... this logic just doesn't fly.
Matter of fact
*SMITE*
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 22, 2010 17:49:37 GMT -5
Lol @ Damie! You didn't have to smite her, lol!
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Post by Chal™ on Feb 22, 2010 17:56:12 GMT -5
Matter of fact *SMITE* And don't you neva' come back ya' hear? [/color][/quote] that's the first nail in the coffin. you guys have officially killed me today. lol |
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Post by perroloco on Feb 22, 2010 19:33:06 GMT -5
Pontification Alert
The finely aged cognac that was the Elite Eight is but now so much watered down Kool-Aid. And it ain't even the red kind. Just more nails in the coffin. Not because the Beckies weren't good. Their execution was great, But it was the novelty factor that allowed them to win the show. The AKAs were excellent as well. I am sure the crowd hype helped and I am also sure that the crowd was mainly non-Greek because Greeks should not have been cheering this.
This was clearly a set-up by the producers. How does a novice group of caucasians become that proficient that fast? The rhythym and cadence of stepping is in our blood and the art form is in our fraternal DNA. Riddle me this Batman.....Could any of us learn to Riverdance in a matter of weeks and beat some Irish in their highest level of competition in a matter of weeks? This ain't "Hoosiers".
Our orgs were blinded by the free pub and the chance to cozy up to a huge sponsor never realizing (hopefully, I'd rather they be ignorant rather than stupid), that they were selling their fraternal souls. With the popularity of MTV, the commercialization of stepping and the upset (?) victory of ZTA, The Revenge of Heidi and Hunter shall soon be upon us. Intergration is not a bad thing, but we ultimately lose control of our traditions when others are invited in. Real greeks will be stepping on the Chitlin circuit and White orgs will be taking home the big prizes. With their size and money, they will be hiring choreographers. I guarantee you, Becky Phi Becky did not put that show together. They have no frame of reference or innate starting point.
The Elite Eight needs to take a stand. Only perform in NPHC sanctioned competitions against other Elite Eight orgs. No church teams, no dance teams, no dorm teams, no homemade teams, no "I had a dream in my basement teams".
I'm glad the Bruhs are the Bruhs. I pledged too long and too hard for the right to serve humanity in the Name of Omega and yes, the right to wear gold boots and hop with soul, grace, and expression. damn if Tommy Kowalski is gonna get the glory and the money from my traditions.
Roo to da good Bruhz.
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Post by Oren Ishii on Feb 22, 2010 20:17:27 GMT -5
Told ya'll that dude had spunk! LOL
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Post by juschill on Feb 22, 2010 20:49:18 GMT -5
Black History Month gone ALL wrong...smh
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Post by Sapphire on Feb 22, 2010 21:05:45 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion to follow: I wouldn't say that anyone got robbed... mainly because the Becky's didn't suck. Granted, most of the excitement and points were probably based on the shock value and the amazement that you can have that many white folks on a stage with rythm, but the crowd was even giving them more love. From what I can tell they beat you (D9) at your own game. And folks can be mad about it, but in the end they were decent. They came in, no talking and just stepped and did their thing. Folks have been robbed in other step shows. The problem is that it's usually losing to the D9; in this case it's YT 1, Negii 0. Not sure why this was open to all (there were only Black folks in the Stomp the Yard equivelant LOL) but I don't think it's fair to be mad at them for winning. If anything we should be mad at us for losing. I didn't attend the show and I haven't seen every performance, but I'm trying to figure out why you all let them even get in the top 3. Where they do that at? *Goes back to avoiding the Greek section*
In this show the AKAs did at least 2 steps I doubt ANYONE has ever seen ANY organization do... AND they had a tight show on top of that with fewer mistakes (actually both the AKAs and the ZTAs had mistakes in their shows, smalls ones, but the AKAs had less). The ZTAs did steps, moves, even themes that we have all done before and seen before. They did it well, I dare say they acquitted themselves well.
But they didn't do anything innovative because, not surprisingly they don't have a bag of tricks to pull from. This is the first time doing it - they're only just now beginning to create their bag. But following your unpopular opinion, they could hold this contest next year, and the ZTAs could do the AKA's one legged step and legitimatly win via text message voting, and we would just chalk it up and say... oh well you shouldn't have let them win. I'm sorry... this logic just doesn't fly.
Matter of fact
*SMITE*
And don't you neva' come back ya' hear? Negus, I'm an OOA resident. You're a fly by e-night drive by poster. You can't go and come back trynta regulate ish.  They beat you at your own game which was stepping not orinality... I'm not saying they were better. I am saying they came to your house (the concept of a step show), took something you invented and won the top prize. If that's not beat, I don't know what is. Original or not, they learned it from somewhere and were clearly taught by someone... you don't learn how to do that off a video. They prolly learned it at summer camp when they were younger and kept their skills up. So you're made because they won off what you taught them?Next time give them the Rosetta Stone version, not the whole trip to Italy. From what everyone has been saying, I was under the impression that the judges weren't from the D9? If that's the case, how would they know what's original or not? What was the criteria? Did you enter the competition knowing what the judges would be basing their opinions on or did you see dollar signs and assume you'd be judged by the usual crieteria? I'm not saying it wasn't shock factor that got them over but if you look at the crowd shots of folks cheering them on, you'll see a bunch of D9 men doing most of the screaming and cheering (negii love their Beckys Hmmph!) And don't complain about the voting system after you lose. American Idol does it and no one has a problem with it. If you enter a suped up Stomp the Yard competition that's open to all kinds of outside groups, teach them your artform and moves (they subsequently do it well and win), agree to a voting system by non-peers and text message, you have no one to blame but yourselves. I'm holding my ground... the reason I say you lost is because you're not debating who won between the AKAs and the Deltas/Zetas/SgRhos... you're debating how you got robbed by a group that I've never even heard off. I ask you again... how was it that they made it in the top three? They shoulda been robbing the bronze team not the gold. |
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Post by juschill on Feb 22, 2010 21:15:40 GMT -5
did yall really think white folks wasnt gonna retaliate after that lil colored boy in tights won the gold medal in speed skating?
they said we done went too far...
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Post by Oren Ishii on Feb 22, 2010 21:37:52 GMT -5
Chill, if I was a smiter, I'd get you for this ^^^! LMAO Ridiculous! LOL did yall really think white folks wasnt gonna retaliate after that lil colored boy in tights won the gold medal in speed skating? they said we done went too far... |
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Post by Kyng of JDs on Feb 22, 2010 22:02:25 GMT -5
See that's just it. They didn't beat us at our own game. Our own game is innovation. That's part of the reason why the D9 styles are so differentiated from one another. In every legit step show I've ever seen the one thing that you always see, is that the team that does that one thing that you've never seen before almost ALWAYS wins.
In this show the AKAs did at least 2 steps I doubt ANYONE has ever seen ANY organization do... AND they had a tight show on top of that with fewer mistakes (actually both the AKAs and the ZTAs had mistakes in their shows, smalls ones, but the AKAs had less). The ZTAs did steps, moves, even themes that we have all done before and seen before. They did it well, I dare say they acquitted themselves well.
But they didn't do anything innovative because, not surprisingly they don't have a bag of tricks to pull from. This is the first time doing it - they're only just now beginning to create their bag. But following your unpopular opinion, they could hold this contest next year, and the ZTAs could do the AKA's one legged step and legitimatly win via text message voting, and we would just chalk it up and say... oh well you shouldn't have let them win. I'm sorry... this logic just doesn't fly.
Matter of fact
*SMITE*
And don't you neva' come back ya' hear? Negus, I'm an OOA resident. You're a fly by e-night drive by poster. You can't go and come back trynta regulate ish. They beat you at your own game which was stepping not orinality... I'm not saying they were better. I am saying they came to your house (the concept of a step show), took something you invented and won the top prize. If that's not beat, I don't know what is. Original or not, they learned it from somewhere and were clearly taught by someone... you don't learn how to do that off a video. They prolly learned it at summer camp when they were younger and kept their skills up. So you're made because they won off what you taught them?Next time give them the Rosetta Stone version, not the whole trip to Italy. From what everyone has been saying, I was under the impression that the judges weren't from the D9? If that's the case, how would they know what's original or not? What was the criteria? Did you enter the competition knowing what the judges would be basing their opinions on or did you see dollar signs and assume you'd be judged by the usual crieteria? I'm not saying it wasn't shock factor that got them over but if you look at the crowd shots of folks cheering them on, you'll see a bunch of D9 men doing most of the screaming and cheering (negii love their Beckys Hmmph!) And don't complain about the voting system after you lose. American Idol does it and no one has a problem with it. If you enter a suped up Stomp the Yard competition that's open to all kinds of outside groups, teach them your artform and moves (they subsequently do it well and win), agree to a voting system by non-peers and text message, you have no one to blame but yourselves. I'm holding my ground... the reason I say you lost is because you're not debating who won between the AKAs and the Deltas/Zetas/SgRhos... you're debating how you got robbed by a group that I've never even heard off. I ask you again... how was it that they made it in the top three? They shoulda been robbing the bronze team not the gold. *Speechless look of awe at Sapph* |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Feb 22, 2010 22:32:40 GMT -5
Negus, I'm an OOA resident. You're a fly by e-night drive by poster. You can't go and come back trynta regulate ish. They beat you at your own game which was stepping not orinality... I'm not saying they were better. I am saying they came to your house (the concept of a step show), took something you invented and won the top prize. If that's not beat, I don't know what is. Original or not, they learned it from somewhere and were clearly taught by someone... you don't learn how to do that off a video. They prolly learned it at summer camp when they were younger and kept their skills up. So you're made because they won off what you taught them?Next time give them the Rosetta Stone version, not the whole trip to Italy. From what everyone has been saying, I was under the impression that the judges weren't from the D9? If that's the case, how would they know what's original or not? What was the criteria? Did you enter the competition knowing what the judges would be basing their opinions on or did you see dollar signs and assume you'd be judged by the usual crieteria? I'm not saying it wasn't shock factor that got them over but if you look at the crowd shots of folks cheering them on, you'll see a bunch of D9 men doing most of the screaming and cheering (negii love their Beckys Hmmph!) And don't complain about the voting system after you lose. American Idol does it and no one has a problem with it. If you enter a suped up Stomp the Yard competition that's open to all kinds of outside groups, teach them your artform and moves (they subsequently do it well and win), agree to a voting system by non-peers and text message, you have no one to blame but yourselves. I'm holding my ground... the reason I say you lost is because you're not debating who won between the AKAs and the Deltas/Zetas/SgRhos... you're debating how you got robbed by a group that I've never even heard off. I ask you again... how was it that they made it in the top three? They shoulda been robbing the bronze team not the gold. I pretty much agree with this. I was wondering how much of the stuff folks don't like about the competition was known up front. Did people know it wouldn't just be BGLOS? Did people know about the voting? What about the judges? Was there some aspect of the judging didn't come just from the show? (Kind of like reality tv shows...the disclaimer at the end of the show will say that the producers will have some say so in the results) Or did people just see money and publicity and sign up? IDK...it's all pretty darn interesting to me, LOL. |
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 22, 2010 23:15:57 GMT -5
I have no idea how any of this was set up because I personally dismissed this from jump. From the commercial shown in the very beginning of this thread, it only showed black greeks.
And I see what Damie was saying. If that had been another black org. Because most of us saw those steps before the crowd wouldn't have gone so wild. They went wild once they saw white folks having rythm, something we aren't used too.
I went to a PWI and my freshman roommate was a ZTA and none of the white sororities on my yard could do what those ladies did.
Point is, you can't have someone judge something they have no idea about. From what I can see from that show, my sorors taught them.
All in all, BGLOs never should've participated in a show that wasn't sponsored or co-sponsored by a BGLO. I mean what Sprite know about stepping?
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Post by Sapphire on Feb 22, 2010 23:17:05 GMT -5
did yall really think white folks wasnt gonna retaliate after that lil colored boy in tights won the gold medal in speed skating? they said we done went too far... LOL. I missed the speed skater. But we've taken over in their areas too. Look at Tiger... granted he doesn't think he's black but his competitors do. :-) |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 22, 2010 23:19:07 GMT -5
If by, beat us at our own game, you mean, mimicked our game, mimicked our styles, changed the rules, and changed the referees... then yeah I guess you got us. Thanks for the useful input. Anyway, go ahead and finish your lap dance and move along Sparkles. *Slaps Sapphy on the a$$ like she was a stripper trying to give him stock tip advice*
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Post by Sapphire on Feb 22, 2010 23:19:51 GMT -5
*Speechless look of awe at Sapph* Wha? Why come? LOL. |
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 22, 2010 23:21:47 GMT -5
He thinks he is what he actually is, half black and half Asian. To say he is completely one is to ignore the other. I digress, that's not the topic of this thread, lol!
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Post by Sapphire on Feb 22, 2010 23:22:54 GMT -5
If by, beat us at our own game, you mean, mimicked our game, mimicked our styles, changed the rules, and changed the referees... then yeah I guess you got us. Thanks for the useful input. Anyway, go ahead and finish your lap dance and move along Sparkles. *Slaps Sapphy on the a$$ like she was a stripper trying to give him stock tip advice* I.hate.you.and.so.does.sparkles. And PS, no one forced you to play...if you ain't like the rules don't participate. PS they have Haterade on sale this week at Safeway.  *runs out to find a baller who tips better and appreciates my lap dance moves* |
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Post by Sapphire on Feb 22, 2010 23:25:04 GMT -5
He thinks he is what he actually is, half black and half Asian. To say he is completely one is to ignore the other. I digress, that's not the topic of this thread, lol! He's Cablinaisan... Caucasian, Black, Indian and Asian. Well I think that's what the "in" stands for. :-) |
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 22, 2010 23:28:47 GMT -5
He excepts all of his heritage, lol!
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Post by Sapphire on Feb 22, 2010 23:41:00 GMT -5
True... and there's nothing wrong with that. :-)
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 23, 2010 9:19:44 GMT -5
If by, beat us at our own game, you mean, mimicked our game, mimicked our styles, changed the rules, and changed the referees... then yeah I guess you got us. Thanks for the useful input. Anyway, go ahead and finish your lap dance and move along Sparkles. *Slaps Sapphy on the a$$ like she was a stripper trying to give him stock tip advice* I.hate.you.and.so.does.sparkles. And PS, no one forced you to play...if you ain't like the rules don't participate. PS they have Haterade on sale this week at Safeway. *runs out to find a baller who tips better and appreciates my lap dance moves*
p.s. it's fitting that you would know when Haterade was on sale.
*Tips Sapphy Sparkles with Monopoly Monies and leaves the Gritty Kitty* |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 23, 2010 9:20:14 GMT -5
Pontification Alert The finely aged cognac that was the Elite Eight is but now so much watered down Kool-Aid. And it ain't even the red kind. Just more nails in the coffin. Not because the Beckies weren't good. Their execution was great, But it was the novelty factor that allowed them to win the show. The AKAs were excellent as well. I am sure the crowd hype helped and I am also sure that the crowd was mainly non-Greek because Greeks should not have been cheering this. This was clearly a set-up by the producers. How does a novice group of caucasians become that proficient that fast? The rhythym and cadence of stepping is in our blood and the art form is in our fraternal DNA. Riddle me this Batman.....Could any of us learn to Riverdance in a matter of weeks and beat some Irish in their highest level of competition in a matter of weeks? This ain't "Hoosiers". Our orgs were blinded by the free pub and the chance to cozy up to a huge sponsor never realizing (hopefully, I'd rather they be ignorant rather than stupid), that they were selling their fraternal souls. With the popularity of MTV, the commercialization of stepping and the upset (?) victory of ZTA, The Revenge of Heidi and Hunter shall soon be upon us. Intergration is not a bad thing, but we ultimately lose control of our traditions when others are invited in. Real greeks will be stepping on the Chitlin circuit and White orgs will be taking home the big prizes. With their size and money, they will be hiring choreographers. I guarantee you, Becky Phi Becky did not put that show together. They have no frame of reference or innate starting point. The Elite Eight needs to take a stand. Only perform in NPHC sanctioned competitions against other Elite Eight orgs. No church teams, no dance teams, no dorm teams, no homemade teams, no "I had a dream in my basement teams". I'm glad the Bruhs are the Bruhs. I pledged too long and too hard for the right to serve humanity in the Name of Omega and yes, the right to wear gold boots and hop with soul, grace, and expression. damn if Tommy Kowalski is gonna get the glory and the money from my traditions. Roo to da good Bruhz. |
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 23, 2010 10:09:24 GMT -5
::DEAD:: at Gritty Kitty!
Make sure you pay what you owe to the orginator of that name Damie.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 23, 2010 10:18:22 GMT -5
::DEAD:: at Gritty Kitty! Make sure you pay what you owe to the orginator of that name Damie. |
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Post by Cambist on Feb 23, 2010 10:26:25 GMT -5
1. ZTA rushed a bunch of girls with mad rhythm so they could win this prize
2. They paid and or contracted some AKA's to teach them steps
3. They won the womens portion of the step show
True, it was the novelty factor that helped them win...kinda like the era of the Alphas coming out of a freezer (icebox) In the absence of strict adherence to a "STEP ONLY" rule. novelty wins. They were novelty and they won.
If I were to go on American Country Idol and sing the hell out of a country song, Darius Rucker not withstanding, i'd probably get a lot of votes. Not just because I am Black and therefore not the typical country/western singer but also because I was good.
They won. Get over it. I have a theory about organizations and significant change....they typically don't change until forced to do so. Usually this "force" comes in the form of a deterioration of it's standards, traditions, and a compromise of it's values....sound familiar.
Sometimes, it can't be saved. Sometimes, like a crackhead, it has to hit rock bottom before it can be reformed.
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Post by Cambist on Feb 23, 2010 10:44:36 GMT -5
Sometimes you have to let the brush fire burn.....
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