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Post by No Screen Name on Jul 1, 2009 17:18:54 GMT -5
I am of the belief that Jesus was of color. There is some controversy about this in some circles. I have heard people say that this is irrelevant, and that it doesn't matter. I agree--the color of Jesus does not matter. He went to the cross and died for my sins. HOWEVER, it bugs me when I visit a church and see a painting or a stained glass window of a bunch of blond-haired, blue-eyed folks sitting around the table for the last supper. Jesus didn't look like this. To depict him as such is a LIE, in my opinion. And it doesn't set well with me to see this in a Black church. I remember a few years back an organization made up of Black psychologists denounced this representation, saying it wasn't healthy for Black children to see an image of "God" as being White. What say you?  |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 1, 2009 20:59:34 GMT -5
I don't think it matters as much that Jesus was or was not black as it perpetuates the pattern of supressing minority wins and "whitening" history. I doubt that kids are carrying lifelong scars because the Father's image is White but our children would have the same pride and sense of identification if Jesus were represnted as Black as they do with the President.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 1, 2009 21:10:46 GMT -5
He was persecuted...
...that's all the evidence I need to know He was probably colored at a minimum... black most likely.
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 1, 2009 21:25:44 GMT -5
"colored" Damie? LOL
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 1, 2009 21:38:05 GMT -5
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 1, 2009 21:48:31 GMT -5
That's right... I said it. Colored.
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Post by No Screen Name on Jul 1, 2009 22:25:40 GMT -5
VP--is the third one from the right in that pic on a cell phone? That's the kind of pic you see sold at the beauty supply store or the flea market in the "hood".  The food looks good, though. ;D |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 1, 2009 23:09:05 GMT -5
VP--is the third one from the right in that pic on a cell phone? That's the kind of pic you see sold at the beauty supply store or the flea market in the "hood". The food looks good, though. ;D Naw I'm darker than that lol. This is a picture from the rasta's. They show you all the verses in the by-bull when they smoking that ganjah leff fa pairatee afta cunsumpshun. lol |
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Post by huey on Jul 2, 2009 8:35:06 GMT -5
The one next to Jesus look like he holding up a gat. Buck Buck! « Last Edit: Today at 8:34am by huey » |
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Post by LejaOMG on Jul 2, 2009 8:48:06 GMT -5
To depict him as such is a LIE, in my opinion. What say you? This is a real strong assertion/accusation. What basis do you have for your belief that Jesus (or his apostles) were not white? If it's just your opinion, how can you charge someone with a different opinion a liar? |
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Post by Chal™ on Jul 2, 2009 9:06:30 GMT -5
vp, when i first saw that picture i thought "Rasta". lol The picture is interesting (© by Southie)
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Post by Cambist on Jul 2, 2009 9:08:25 GMT -5
Define white?
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Post by huey on Jul 2, 2009 9:18:43 GMT -5
Caucasoid
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Post by kingdelta on Jul 2, 2009 9:20:05 GMT -5
To depict him as such is a LIE, in my opinion. What say you? This is a real strong assertion/accusation. What basis do you have for your belief that Jesus (or his apostles) were not white? If it's just your opinion, how can you charge someone with a different opinion a liar? It's historians belief that based on the region he was in and that he was Jewish, it would not be feasible for him to be of the caucasion persuasion. Just like Cleopatra didn't look like Elizabeth Taylor. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Jul 2, 2009 9:23:34 GMT -5
Just asking. It's also not feasible for a virgin to give birth to the son of God, nahmean?
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Post by Highly Favored on Jul 2, 2009 9:29:23 GMT -5
I am of the belief that Jesus was of color. There is some controversy about this in some circles.
I have heard people say that this is irrelevant, and that it doesn't matter. I agree--the color of Jesus does not matter. He went to the cross and died for my sins.HOWEVER, it bugs me when I visit a church and see a painting or a stained glass window of a bunch of blond-haired, blue-eyed folks sitting around the table for the last supper. Jesus didn't look like this. To depict him as such is a LIE, in my opinion. And it doesn't set well with me to see this in a Black church. I remember a few years back an organization made up of Black psychologists denounced this representation, saying it wasn't healthy for Black children to see an image of "God" as being White. What say you? The enlarged text represents my sentiments. Also, as someone else mentioned, based on what we DO know about Jesus (i.e. his Jewish background, the region of the world he was born into, etc.), he was most likely a person of color and not blond-haired and blue-eyed as he is often depicted in pictures. Because I don't know for certain, I don't do pictures of Jesus and/or his disciples. |
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Post by 123Diva on Jul 2, 2009 9:34:53 GMT -5
Based on the descriptions (hair like wool, feet the color of brass) of Jesus, I find it hard to believe that he was run of the mill White. I would say he was at least "ethnic". At the end of the day, does it truly matter what ethnicity, race, or color my Saviour was?
Negative.
To be honest, while I always find this topic to be an interesting one, it also makes me very uneasy. Because it shows just how far society is willing to take the whole black/white thing...I mean Jesus is not exactly our homie.
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Post by No Screen Name on Jul 2, 2009 9:35:44 GMT -5
To depict him as such is a LIE, in my opinion. What say you? This is a real strong assertion/accusation. What basis do you have for your belief that Jesus (or his apostles) were not white? If it's just your opinion, how can you charge someone with a different opinion a liar? Leja, do you think Jesus was White? I believe that he was of color, based on the part of the world where he was born and lived, and the description of him in the Bible. There were few lily-white people living in the area--a desert climate--during that time period. The thing that made me think of this post was a documentary I saw last weekend. Even though current Egyptians are light due to various factors (being conqered and overtaken by different groups of people, and tend to be "whitewashed" in popular culture (movies, etc.), based on what I have read and researched, I believe that the ancient Egyptians were dark skinned people. However, I had never seen current pictures of the people of the Siwa Oasis area of Egypt:  The majority of the people in this documentary were dark-skinned people with kinky hair like this young lady. I saw the people, and I thought--"I think we've been sold a bill of goods". |
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Post by kingdelta on Jul 2, 2009 9:37:00 GMT -5
Just asking. It's also not feasible for a virgin to give birth to the son of God, nahmean? We are talking about "natural" characteristics. In the spiritual it's highly feasible for a virgin to give birth. |
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Post by Cambist on Jul 2, 2009 9:54:34 GMT -5
It actually does matter.....
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Post by 123Diva on Jul 2, 2009 9:55:53 GMT -5
It actually does matter..... Explain. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Jul 2, 2009 10:22:57 GMT -5
This is a real strong assertion/accusation. What basis do you have for your belief that Jesus (or his apostles) were not white? If it's just your opinion, how can you charge someone with a different opinion a liar? Leja, do you think Jesus was White? No. |
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Post by Cambist on Jul 2, 2009 10:59:37 GMT -5
1. I'm not sure that the bible we always reference actually indicates that Jesus was of color.
2. To the Christian, Jesus' race is not a matter of spiritual salvation. On the other hand, sociologically, every culture (except most Black cultures) have represented Jesus in their own likeness for the purposes of art.
Some people are actually offended when they see the pics of Jesus as anything other than the most famous long blong haired hippy dude with the stringy beard and blue eyes. Why are they offended? They are offended because they have grown to associate that picture with who Jesus actually is/was.
Representation is powerful. If you see Jesus as blond hair and blue eyed then psychologically and you are already a member of a disenfranchised group...especially the group that shares the same characteristics you attribute to Jesus....well, it's a mindfuck.
Unfortunatly, while this occurs mostly on the lower socio economic and educational levels, it's not exclusive to them.
So, to me...the color does matter.
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Post by 123Diva on Jul 2, 2009 11:04:27 GMT -5
1. I'm not sure that the bible we always reference actually indicates that Jesus was of color. 2. To the Christian, Jesus' race is not a matter of spiritual salvation. On the other hand, sociologically, every culture (except most Black cultures) have represented Jesus in their own likeness for the purposes of art. Some people are actually offended when they see the pics of Jesus as anything other than the most famous long blong haired hippy dude with the stringy beard and blue eyes. Why are they offended? They are offended because they have grown to associate that picture with who Jesus actually is/was. Representation is powerful. If you see Jesus as blond hair and blue eyed then psychologically and you are already a member of a disenfranchised group...especially the group that shares the same characteristics you attribute to Jesus....well, it's a mindfuck. Unfortunatly, while this occurs mostly on the lower socio economic and educational levels, it's not exclusive to them. So, to me...the color does matter. I can especially understand and relate to the part in red. I just think it is very sad that the concept of Jesus does not transcend man-made pigeon holes, stereotypes, and hang-ups... |
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Post by huey on Jul 2, 2009 11:34:58 GMT -5
1. I'm not sure that the bible we always reference actually indicates that Jesus was of color. 2. To the Christian, Jesus' race is not a matter of spiritual salvation. On the other hand, sociologically, every culture (except most Black cultures) have represented Jesus in their own likeness for the purposes of art. Some people are actually offended when they see the pics of Jesus as anything other than the most famous long blong haired hippy dude with the stringy beard and blue eyes. Why are they offended? They are offended because they have grown to associate that picture with who Jesus actually is/was. Representation is powerful. If you see Jesus as blond hair and blue eyed then psychologically and you are already a member of a disenfranchised group...especially the group that shares the same characteristics you attribute to Jesus....well, it's a mindfuck. Unfortunatly, while this occurs mostly on the lower socio economic and educational levels, it's not exclusive to them. So, to me...the color does matter. I can especially understand and relate to the part in red. I just think it is very sad that the concept of Jesus does not transcend man-made pigeon holes, stereotypes, and hang-ups... What concept? What's more powerful concept than the son of God/Lord and Savior being a White Man? How could the slave owning class dehumanize all blacks in an attempt to justify slavery, if their Lord and Savior was Black? If there God was Black? |
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Jul 2, 2009 12:02:46 GMT -5
I can especially understand and relate to the part in red. I just think it is very sad that the concept of Jesus does not transcend man-made pigeon holes, stereotypes, and hang-ups... What concept? What's more powerful concept than the son of God/Lord and Savior being a White Man? How could the slave owning class dehumanize all blacks in an attempt to justify slavery, if their Lord and Savior was Black? If there God was Black? Awesome questions huey! It makes perfect sense seeing that the slaves were "unclean" and "unholy". I believe that Jesus was of color, based off of descriptions given in the Bible. Bronze skin, which mean, he had one serious tan. LOL! It can also mess with one's psyche. When some can see a white Jesus, and Christians are all achieving to be Christ-like................when seeing a picture of a white Jesus, are they trying to be white? I have thought about that........................ |
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Post by huey on Jul 2, 2009 12:29:07 GMT -5
What concept? What's more powerful concept than the son of God/Lord and Savior being a White Man? How could the slave owning class dehumanize all blacks in an attempt to justify slavery, if their Lord and Savior was Black? If there God was Black? Awesome questions huey! It makes perfect sense seeing that the slaves were "unclean" and "unholy". I believe that Jesus was of color, based off of descriptions given in the Bible. Bronze skin, which mean, he had one serious tan. LOL! It can also mess with one's psyche. When some can see a white Jesus, and Christians are all achieving to be Christ-like................when seeing a picture of a white Jesus, are they trying to be white? I have thought about that........................  |
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Jul 2, 2009 12:34:46 GMT -5
^That is a beautiful picture!
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 2, 2009 16:52:51 GMT -5
Jesus isn't described in the book of revelations. One would do better looking elsewhere but thats not Jesus in Revelation as it pertains to the story. Carry On.
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Post by Cambist on Jul 5, 2009 17:16:16 GMT -5
That's a point ive made for a while VP. If Jesus is described in Revelations then he is most definately white....with mud-crusty feet.
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