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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 5, 2009 21:40:30 GMT -5
That's a point ive made for a while VP. If Jesus is described in Revelations then he is most definately white....with mud-crusty feet. Well thats not what I particularly meant. See the problem with "most" Christians is they listen and don't read. Now when you read the book of revelations some parts of it are in red meaning those are the actual words of Jesus. What folks don't understand is that the book of Revelation as per the story is all of what Jesus saw. So he wouldn't see himself. That is Jesus speaking through John of what he saw when he speaks of the Son of Man. Its plain as day Revelation Chap 1:1-3
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. This happens when folks listen to hersay or listen to preachers. Simply put Jesus isn't the Son Of Man......Ezekiel is. Jesus SAW Ezekiel and described Ezekiel...Period. If folk don't believe go to the Book of Ezekiel and count how many times he is called by that name from "God" himself. I did it once and I believe its like 88 times or something like that. And the fact that Jesus described the very 4 faces of the angelic beast from Ezekiel. Start from Chapter 2
Ezekiel 2
1And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.
6And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.
8But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give theePer the prophecy IF Jesus is described anywhere in the bible it would be Isaiah Chapter 53:1-12 Isaiah 53
1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 6, 2009 11:40:27 GMT -5
That's a point ive made for a while VP. If Jesus is described in Revelations then he is most definately white....with mud-crusty feet. Well thats not what I particularly meant. See the problem with "most" Christians is they listen and don't read. Now when you read the book of revelations some parts of it are in red meaning those are the actual words of Jesus. What folks don't understand is that the book of Revelation as per the story is all of what Jesus saw. So he wouldn't see himself. That is Jesus speaking through John of what he saw when he speaks of the Son of Man. Its plain as day Revelation Chap 1:1-3
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. This happens when folks listen to hersay or listen to preachers. Simply put Jesus isn't the Son Of Man......Ezekiel is.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=24&version=31
No less than 6 instances of the Son of God being referred to as the Son of Man in just 1 verse.
Hearsay indeed. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Jul 6, 2009 11:52:04 GMT -5
Where white people even around then?  For a geographical standpoint it seems like all the early descendants of Adam where middle eastern (i.e Arabian/black looking) .. I thought anglos came much later |
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Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2009 13:18:05 GMT -5
you know that was only like 2k years ago, right Reign?
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Post by ReignMan19 on Jul 6, 2009 13:30:41 GMT -5
you know that was only like 2k years ago, right Reign? yes i do.. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2009 13:31:34 GMT -5
so just to clarify, you're asking whether or not there were "white" people (as we now know them) 2k years ago?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 6, 2009 13:39:39 GMT -5
Well thats not what I particularly meant. See the problem with "most" Christians is they listen and don't read. Now when you read the book of revelations some parts of it are in red meaning those are the actual words of Jesus. What folks don't understand is that the book of Revelation as per the story is all of what Jesus saw. So he wouldn't see himself. That is Jesus speaking through John of what he saw when he speaks of the Son of Man. Its plain as day Revelation Chap 1:1-3
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. This happens when folks listen to hersay or listen to preachers. Simply put Jesus isn't the Son Of Man......Ezekiel is.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=24&version=31
No less than 6 instances of the Son of God being referred to as the Son of Man in just 1 verse.
Hearsay indeed. You DO realize thats Jesus speaking right? smdh.. Bruh lets not do this again. No way you win on this one at all. Matthew 24:3 3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 6, 2009 13:40:52 GMT -5
The Son of God is totally different from the Son of Man. Your Jesus is described verbatim in Isaiah 53 verse 1-12. Read and digest.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 6, 2009 14:06:22 GMT -5
Bruh I have read. The whole Bible.
If you read the entire Chapter that I linked - it's abundantly clear that it is Jesus who is talking and it's also clear who He is talking about. He is talking about Christ... there's nothing to infer, it's written plainly and clearly - it's there. Start at verse 23.
For someone who is not an adherant to the Bible... you have a strange penchant for insisting on how it should be interpreted and what it means (overlooking the fact that you are almost always wrong in what you assert)
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 6, 2009 14:13:36 GMT -5
Bruh I have read. The whole Bible.
If you read the entire Chapter that I linked - it's abundantly clear that it is Jesus who is talking and it's also clear who He is talking about. He is talking about Christ... there's nothing to infer, it's written plainly and clearly - it's there. Start at verse 23.
[glow=red,2,300]For someone who is not an adherant to the Bible... you have a strange penchant for insisting on how it should be interpreted and what it means (overlooking the fact that you are almost always wrong in what you assert)[/glow] Exhalt, 3 times. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Jul 6, 2009 14:45:17 GMT -5
so just to clarify, you're asking whether or not there were "white" people (as we now know them) 2k years ago? well besides Jews... aww hell nevermind *daggers in eyes* |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 6, 2009 14:55:41 GMT -5
Bruh I have read. The whole Bible.
If you read the entire Chapter that I linked - it's abundantly clear that it is Jesus who is talking and it's also clear who He is talking about. He is talking about Christ... there's nothing to infer, it's written plainly and clearly - it's there. Start at verse 23.
For someone who is not an adherant to the Bible... you have a strange penchant for insisting on how it should be interpreted and what it means (overlooking the fact that you are almost always wrong in what you assert) You read the whole bible huh? Show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son Of Man then. I did misstate myself earlier. Ezekiel is called the Son of Man 93 times by "God" and Jesus calls himself and have others call him the Son of Man 88 times. So again show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son of Man. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Jul 6, 2009 15:00:49 GMT -5
Gotta give props to VP's facts finder.. that boy is quick..
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Jul 6, 2009 15:07:32 GMT -5
^LMAO!
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 6, 2009 15:08:45 GMT -5
so just to clarify, you're asking whether or not there were "white" people (as we now know them) 2k years ago? well besides Jews... aww hell nevermind *daggers in eyes* LOL! |
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Post by huey on Jul 6, 2009 15:11:31 GMT -5
you know that was only like 2k years ago, right Reign? yes i do.. Then what were the Romans? |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Jul 6, 2009 15:24:22 GMT -5
Then what were the Romans? Tans.. |
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Jul 6, 2009 15:28:37 GMT -5
Corner.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 6, 2009 15:35:55 GMT -5
Bruh I have read. The whole Bible.
If you read the entire Chapter that I linked - it's abundantly clear that it is Jesus who is talking and it's also clear who He is talking about. He is talking about Christ... there's nothing to infer, it's written plainly and clearly - it's there. Start at verse 23.
For someone who is not an adherant to the Bible... you have a strange penchant for insisting on how it should be interpreted and what it means (overlooking the fact that you are almost always wrong in what you assert) You read the whole bible huh? Show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son Of Man then. I did misstate myself earlier. Ezekiel is called the Son of Man 93 times by "God" and Jesus calls himself and have others call him the Son of Man 88 times. So again show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son of Man.
Why do you make me do this?
You said:
This happens when folks listen to hersay or listen to preachers. Simply put Jesus isn't the Son Of Man......Ezekiel is.
your NEW assertion is
So again show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son of Man.
Point blank - what you said is NOT true. Jesus is repeatedly referred to as Son of Man not just in Matthew, but Mark, Luke, John, Acts, AND Revelations. Ezekiel is referred to as son of man. One is a title and a description while the other is just a description. Reading the entire bible makes that clear.
p.s. the angels are referred to as sons of God in Genesis. The only time Son is capitalized is when it refers to Jesus or at the start of a sentence/quote. Otherwise every other son of man, or son of God refers to someone that is NOT divine which is indicated by a lower case "s" for the title son. |
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Jul 6, 2009 15:49:31 GMT -5
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< is loving how this thread made a sudden turn
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 6, 2009 16:35:53 GMT -5
You read the whole bible huh? Show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son Of Man then. I did misstate myself earlier. Ezekiel is called the Son of Man 93 times by "God" and Jesus calls himself and have others call him the Son of Man 88 times. So again show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son of Man.
Why do you make me do this?
You said:
This happens when folks listen to hersay or listen to preachers. Simply put Jesus isn't the Son Of Man......Ezekiel is.
your NEW assertion is
So again show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son of Man.
Point blank - what you said is NOT true. Jesus is repeatedly referred to as Son of Man not just in Matthew, but Mark, Luke, John, Acts, AND Revelations. Ezekiel is referred to as son of man. One is a title and a description while the other is just a description. Reading the entire bible makes that clear.
p.s. the angels are referred to as sons of God in Genesis. The only time Son is capitalized is when it refers to Jesus or at the start of a sentence/quote. Otherwise every other son of man, or son of God refers to someone that is NOT divine which is indicated by a lower case "s" for the title son. It's not moving the Goal Post at all. Show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son of Man its simple. I think you jumped out and spoke to soon as always. We still waiting.... or will you just concede and say No you can't find where your God calls Jesus the Son of Man. Interesting to note since you have read the WHOLE bible I'm sure you know also the only person that "God" gave the "keys" to death and hell are what it was termed in the old testament as the lamentations of mourning and woe was again Ezekiel. Ezekiel 2:8But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee. 9And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein; 10And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.
3:1Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
2So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness. Now go fetch and find this scroll which is written on both sides that Ezekiel ate which tasted like honey before he went to destroy the rebellious and also raise the dry bones as well.... You sure you ready for this? or will you concoct a rhetorical superlative to stay with in circumference of your intellect as in concern to this subject matter? You know you do have a choice. Just to warn you.. I already know what your next move will be and have an answer for that was well. So in reality are you using your own thoughts or are you going where I tell you to?..... |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 6, 2009 17:02:30 GMT -5
And so the goal post moves.
Why do you make me do this?
You said:
This happens when folks listen to hersay or listen to preachers. Simply put Jesus isn't the Son Of Man......Ezekiel is.
your NEW assertion is
So again show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son of Man.
Point blank - what you said is NOT true. Jesus is repeatedly referred to as Son of Man not just in Matthew, but Mark, Luke, John, Acts, AND Revelations. Ezekiel is referred to as son of man. One is a title and a description while the other is just a description. Reading the entire bible makes that clear.
p.s. the angels are referred to as sons of God in Genesis. The only time Son is capitalized is when it refers to Jesus or at the start of a sentence/quote. Otherwise every other son of man, or son of God refers to someone that is NOT divine which is indicated by a lower case "s" for the title son. It's not moving the Goal Post at all. Show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son of Man its simple. I think you jumped out and spoke to soon as always. We still waiting.... or will you just concede and say No you can't find where your God calls Jesus the Son of Man. Interesting to note since you have read the WHOLE bible I'm sure you know also the only person that "God" gave the "keys" to death and hell are what it was termed in the old testament as the lamentations of mourning and woe was again Ezekiel. Ezekiel 2:8But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee. 9And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein; 10And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.
3:1Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
2So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness. Now go fetch and find this scroll which is written on both sides that Ezekiel ate which tasted like honey before he went to destroy the rebellious and also raise the dry bones as well.... You sure you ready for this? or will you concoct a rhetorical superlative to stay with in circumference of your intellect as in concern to this subject matter? You know you do have a choice. Just to warn you.. I already know what your next move will be and have an answer for that was well. So in reality are you using your own thoughts or are you going where I tell you to?.....
First you said:
This happens when folks listen to hersay or listen to preachers. Simply put Jesus isn't the Son Of Man......Ezekiel is.
I said that wasn't true - and proved it. Now you are saying:
So again show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son of Man.
That is moving the goal post. Plain and simple. There is nothing to debate. You can try as many topic changes, side tracks, or circuitous arguments that you like. When you're done I will bring you right back to the actual point of contention. You said Jesus was not the Son of Man and said that Ezekiel was. You are wrong. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 6, 2009 17:54:25 GMT -5
It's not moving the Goal Post at all. Show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son of Man its simple. I think you jumped out and spoke to soon as always. We still waiting.... or will you just concede and say No you can't find where your God calls Jesus the Son of Man. Interesting to note since you have read the WHOLE bible I'm sure you know also the only person that "God" gave the "keys" to death and hell are what it was termed in the old testament as the lamentations of mourning and woe was again Ezekiel. Ezekiel 2:8But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee. 9And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein; 10And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.
3:1Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
2So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness. Now go fetch and find this scroll which is written on both sides that Ezekiel ate which tasted like honey before he went to destroy the rebellious and also raise the dry bones as well.... You sure you ready for this? or will you concoct a rhetorical superlative to stay with in circumference of your intellect as in concern to this subject matter? You know you do have a choice. Just to warn you.. I already know what your next move will be and have an answer for that was well. So in reality are you using your own thoughts or are you going where I tell you to?.....
First you said:
This happens when folks listen to hersay or listen to preachers. Simply put Jesus isn't the Son Of Man......Ezekiel is.
I said that wasn't true - and proved it. Now you are saying:
So again show us where "God" calls Jesus the Son of Man.
That is moving the goal post. Plain and simple. There is nothing to debate. You can try as many topic changes, side tracks, or circuitous arguments that you like. When you're done I will bring you right back to the actual point of contention. You said Jesus was not the Son of Man and said that Ezekiel was. You are wrong. So lets use your logic then Damie... "God" says the throne will be for David's son which is Solomon but in the New testament Jesus anoints himself "Son of David" Lets see 1 Kings 9 "God" speaks to Solomon 1And it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all Solomon's desire which he was pleased to do, 2That the LORD appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon. 3And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually. Jesus anoints himself as the Son of David Luke20: 40And after that they durst not ask him any question at all. 41And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son? 42And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand"God "comes to his Servant Ezekiel who ate the book with the Seven Seals and calls him the Son of Man Ezekiel 2: 8But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee. 9And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein; 10And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.Again Jesus anoints himself as the Son of Man by swaying Peter into thinking he is.. Matthew 16: 13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" 14They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
15"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. Now Jesus fashions himself in the New Testament as the Bright Morning Star. Rev 22:16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Now lets look back in the Old Testament and see who is called the Morning Star 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. SO if your assertion is Jesus is the Son Of David overtaking Solomons birth right if your assertion is Jesus is the Son Of Man whom Ezekiel was anointed as by the "God" of the old testament then surely one would have to assert that Jesus is to in the same light of Lucifer the son of the morning since it is also stated in the New testament he is in the Morning Star right? This is when you have to either accept all or none. Once again you spoke to fast my friend. The very reason Jesus isn't the Son Of Man is because the book that is spoken of in Revelations Ezekiel ate it and I have shown you the verse. As always you can read and digest or look past it like its not there but it still remains whether you agree or not. I believe we are done here don't ya think? Once again using your text I show you proof as commissioned by your "God" and you show... Yeah. I learned long ago the best weapon to use against Judeo Christianity is the text itself. It caves in on itself with its own words. As always handshake.. and Roo. |
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Jul 6, 2009 18:02:07 GMT -5
"God "comes to his Servant Ezekiel who ate the book with the Seven Seals and calls him the Son of Man
Ezekiel 2: 8But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee. 9And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein; 10And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.
Again Jesus anoints himself as the Son of Man by swaying Peter into thinking he is..
Matthew 16: 13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" 14They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
15"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,the Son of the living God." 17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
@ the first bolded: son of man, is different from Son of Man.............two totally different people
@ the second bolded: Jesus didn't have to sway him. So in that scripture, he is the Son of the living God. Therefore, Jesus is the Son of God.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 6, 2009 18:58:07 GMT -5
"God "comes to his Servant Ezekiel who ate the book with the Seven Seals and calls him the Son of Man Ezekiel 2: 8But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house: open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee. 9And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein; 10And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe. Again Jesus anoints himself as the Son of Man by swaying Peter into thinking he is.. Matthew 16: 13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" 14They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets." 15"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" 16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. @ the first bolded: son of man, is different from Son of Man.............two totally different people @ the second bolded: Jesus didn't have to sway him. So in that scripture, he is the Son of the living God. Therefore, Jesus is the Son of God.
1And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee. Is there a difference now? lol Look its simple the writers of the New Testament wrote a fabrication based on a fabrication and fashioned this "Jesus" to be a fulfillment of the prophecies of the Old testament. The only reference of Son of God or Sons of God in the old testament is here...
Gen 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Again is this the same thing? So is Jesus the Son of God or the Son of Man of the Son of David or the Bright and Morning Star... A fabrication based on a fabrication brings upon confusion. Read my siggy because the brother said it best. Good Night folks |
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Jul 6, 2009 19:01:19 GMT -5
Like Damie said....................son of God, is different from Son of God. For someone who thinks the Bible is full of bull, you sure do miscontrue it a lot yourself.
Who is confused? I'm not. Jesus is the Son of the Living God. That's proof enough for me.
Ezekiel IS the Son of man. Quit taking it literally. Ezekiel is the son of a man. Jesus is the Son of God, two totally different people.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 6, 2009 21:49:09 GMT -5
Like Damie said....................son of God, is different from Son of God. For someone who thinks the Bible is full of bull, you sure do miscontrue it a lot yourself. Who is confused? I'm not. Jesus is the Son of the Living God. That's proof enough for me. Ezekiel IS the Son of man. Quit taking it literally. Ezekiel is the son of a man. Jesus is the Son of God, two totally different people. Like Damie said...but what do you think sistah? Like the preacher said but again what do you think sistah? Matthew 1 1:1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. -Misconstrued here? Matthew 19: 28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Maybe misconstrued here?
Revelations 22:16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Ah HA maybe you caught me misconstruing here!? NOPE So now again is Jesus the Son of Man or the Son Of God? Is he of a virgin birth or is Joseph his father who is the line of David which would then be passed on to Jesus and confirm him as heir to the throne? Why the need for David if God is your father? smdh See how can I misconstrue which is already misconstrued? How can I twist which is already twisted? How can I lie about which is already itself falsehood? One has to wonder how can everyone go into Serious Talk and speak on the ills of the world be it past or present and not look at the very text that Justifies all of it? How can one speak out against chattel slavery when it is justified in the text you adhere to? Once again read the siggy and digest. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 6, 2009 22:16:37 GMT -5
Like Damie said....................son of God, is different from Son of God. For someone who thinks the Bible is full of bull, you sure do miscontrue it a lot yourself. Who is confused? I'm not. Jesus is the Son of the Living God. That's proof enough for me. Ezekiel IS the Son of man. Quit taking it literally. Ezekiel is the son of a man. Jesus is the Son of God, two totally different people. Exhalt. You and Damie are taking all my exhalt powers today. As we know God is not the author of confusion, MAN is. That is why I don't indulge in conversations that try to infer just that because it is MAN that tries to confuse you, but that is just me. Good posts hyp and damie. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 6, 2009 22:45:29 GMT -5
Like Damie said....................son of God, is different from Son of God. For someone who thinks the Bible is full of bull, you sure do miscontrue it a lot yourself. Who is confused? I'm not. Jesus is the Son of the Living God. That's proof enough for me. Ezekiel IS the Son of man. Quit taking it literally. Ezekiel is the son of a man. Jesus is the Son of God, two totally different people. Like Damie said...but what do you think sistah? Like the preacher said but again what do you think sistah? Matthew 1 1:1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. -Misconstrued here? Matthew 19: 28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Maybe misconstrued here?
Revelations 22:16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Ah HA maybe you caught me misconstruing here!? NOPE So now again is Jesus the Son of Man or the Son Of God? Is he of a virgin birth or is Joseph his father who is the line of David which would then be passed on to Jesus and confirm him as heir to the throne? Why the need for David if God is your father? smdh See how can I misconstrue which is already misconstrued? How can I twist which is already twisted? How can I lie about which is already itself falsehood? One has to wonder how can everyone go into Serious Talk and speak on the ills of the world be it past or present and not look at the very text that Justifies all of it? How can one speak out against chattel slavery when it is justified in the text you adhere to? Once again read the siggy and digest.
Is Jesus the Lilly of the Valley or the Rose of Sharon?
Is Jesus the Bright and Morning Star 0r the Lion of Judah?
is Jesus the Prince Peace or Wonderful or Counselor?
He can't be all of them right?
Ironically, the verse you cited initially actually refutes the very point you're trying to make (Luke 20). Talk about God working in mysterious ways
Luke 20: 41-43
Then Jesus said to them, "How is it that they say the Christ is the Son of David? David himself declares in the Book of Psalms: " 'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." 'David calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?"
If you don't understand the title (like the people in Luke 20 who Jesus was having to re-educate) - you can't understand the verse. What you are suggesting right now VP is as logical as me saying that if Jesus was the Lion of Judah that He was not actually a human being but an animal. I mean the title says Lion of Judah right? So He must be a lion. In the same way that Jesus is called "Son of Man" he must be fathered by men (except of course that is NOT what it means). *smh*
The Son of Man is a title but it is also is messianic reference to a man of divine origin
The Son of David is a title but, but not just any title - it's the title given to a person of divinity who fulfills the prophecy of the old Testament, the promise by God that the messiah would be from David's lineage.
This is precisely why these two titles (capitalized) are NOT used for anyone else in the bible . They have meaning that only applies to Jesus. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 7, 2009 0:21:52 GMT -5
Three Rhetorical Superlative strawman statements. One thing about ya bruh you stay consistent I can give you that..... See Jesus never stated he was any of the off base things you wrote except for The Bright and Morning Star. Nice attempt to murk the water but it is stated he was The Son Of Man, Son of David, Son of God and the Bright and Morning Star. Those are four facts that are in your next. Matthew1: 1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Rev 22:16 I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I AM the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
The only thing consistent about your text is the contradictions. Ah chit the S in son is lower case B! Is that a sign? lol Lets move to your next statement here. How can Jesus be from the lineage of David when Joseph is NOT his father? He is of a virgin birth correct? Hell the book can't even get it right how his lineage was but it should be of no consequence if Jesus was truly of God right? Why have a genealogy. That junt should say Genealogy of Jesus God > Mary > Jesus the end. lol sigh... [/color][/quote] Matthew says Jesus is the son of David (lower case s)but your next move will be while spittin, shining and buck dancing : "Ha! this is before he went to GAWD and became the CRYIST!" NO! "Show me where it States.. " I sayeth unto ye when I calleth Ezekiel Son of man it is different from when I calleth..wait a minute I never calleth but when thee disciples of Jesus calleth him the Son of Man." lol yeah right sure sounds like someone the writers maybe were trying to sway the reader into thinking this guy is the fulfillment of the prophecies from prior events which I might add NEVER HAPPENED. Yeah okay now your baking cakes. I know this image is gonna hurt inside but that's Betty Crocker there my friend. Sorry  |
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For a geographical standpoint it seems like all the early descendants of Adam where middle eastern (i.e Arabian/black looking) .. I thought anglos came much later 
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