Was Jesus Black? Should it even matter?

[Julie Art]

::DEAD:: @ Outtie! OMG at them being aliens, lol!

[nsync]

LOL This is a real theory. I am not making this stuff up.

[perroloco]

Jul 8, 2009 0:02:01 GMT -5 Vudu_Prince said:

LOL

VP - you are an adherent to a "religion" that centers around Celestial Amphibious Fish people from Sirius. I think I'll let that speak for itself. Feel free to take the off-ramp out of this conversation any time.

Oh I forgot the fish... dizam the Fish Dizam that Fish.
Lets see what Early Christians used for Jesus... It was called in greek the Ichthys or Ichthus (sp). lol It had greek letters encircled by a fish and this was also used by The Shepherd of Hermes but then your lawd just became The Good Shepherd.
Interesting to note that this Fish symbolism was introduced by the Greeks while in Kemet...... Wonder where they got it from..

Lets go in further

Matthew 14:16But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 17And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 18He said, Bring them hither to me. 19And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.


smirk.... damn he even looked up into the heavens as well...Pisces is signified by TWO FISH.

Gen 1:14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:





Now can we be done here? I don't want to interrupt your class.. oh one more thing..

The preparation of the bride attempts to mimic the Songs of Solomon which itself was and is a plagiarized version of the Sumerian Song of Dumuz and Inanna whom names were later changed to Tammuz and Ashtoreth whom are BOTH in the bible painted as evil but at the same time the writers take their love story twist it around and put it in the Songs of Solomon. SMDH

2 Kings 23:13The king also desecrated the high places that were east of Jerusalem on the south of the Hill of Corruption—the ones Solomon king of Israel had built for Ashtoreth the vile goddess of the Sidonians, for Chemosh the vile god of Moab, and for Molech the detestable god of the people of Ammon.

Dizam. Seriously what you speak is only relevant because of the ignorance of your audience who adhere to your thoughts. You don't have to read it but someone will and see the truth. Uplift is a beautiful thing.

Bruh, heckuva debate between you and the other Bruh. I learned something from both of you. I beg to differ on the Fish symbolism.

The Fish design that has come to represent Belivers or Followers of Jesus the Christ was originally derived as a secret sign to other Christians during the times of persecution in 1st Century Rome. After Nero blamed the burning of Rome on the early Christians, Christianity was outlawed and Christians hunted, tortured, and killed. (These are the days of tribulation offered up in Romans and the Epitles of Paul). During the period between Nero Caesar and Emporor Domitian, Christians were driven underground to live and practice their faith in the Catacombs. Christians chose to recognize each other by the sign of the Fish, rather than the Cross, which would have outed them to their neighbors and authorities for certain death. Why the Fish? When Jesus anoited Simon the Fisherman to become his principle disciple, he told him that he would no longer be a "fisherman" but a "fisher of men" for the Kingdom of God. As such, this Simon, who Jesus renamed "Peter" (the rock) was the chief prosletyzer and head of the nascent Christian church in Rome. His followers adopted the "Fish" because most of them were converted to Christianity under Peter's teachings and thus used the "Fish" as their symbol of recognition, much as BGLO's do to secretly acknowledge another member.

[Vudu_Prince]

Jul 14, 2009 17:29:50 GMT -5 perroloco said:

Bruh, heckuva debate between you and the other Bruh. I learned something from both of you. I beg to differ on the Fish symbolism.

The Fish design that has come to represent Belivers or Followers of Jesus the Christ was originally derived as a secret sign to other Christians during the times of persecution in 1st Century Rome. After Nero blamed the burning of Rome on the early Christians, Christianity was outlawed and Christians hunted, tortured, and killed. (These are the days of tribulation offered up in Romans and the Epitles of Paul). During the period between Nero Caesar and Emporor Domitian, Christians were driven underground to live and practice their faith in the Catacombs. Christians chose to recognize each other by the sign of the Fish, rather than the Cross, which would have outed them to their neighbors and authorities for certain death. Why the Fish? When Jesus anoited Simon the Fisherman to become his principle disciple, he told him that he would no longer be a "fisherman" but a "fisher of men" for the Kingdom of God. As such, this Simon, who Jesus renamed "Peter" (the rock) was the chief prosletyzer and head of the nascent Christian church in Rome. His followers adopted the "Fish" because most of them were converted to Christianity under Peter's teachings and thus used the "Fish" as their symbol of recognition, much as BGLO's do to secretly acknowledge another member.

Yeah we know about the above symbolism but its a tad bit deeper than that. It's not a coincidence that the bible is written in the exact procession of the Astrological Progression of the Ages. Lets look

You have Aaron with the Bull of the Taurian Age
Leviticus16:11And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:.

Moses starts the Age of Aries the Ram by taking over from the Taurian Age of Aaron Moses is signified by the Ram
Leviticus 8: 29And Moses took the breast, and waved it for a wave offering before the LORD: for of the ram of consecration it was Moses' part; as the LORD commanded Moses.

Jesus has same Unleavened bread as before but this time as Fish for the Pisceian Age
Matthew 14:16But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 17And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 18He said, Bring them hither to me. 19And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

Then for his last supper that will be the signifying moment to end his age and usher in another one.. who does Jesus send his disciples to for preparation of this event? Lets see

Mark 14:12And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? 13And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him. 14And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 15And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.



Above is bringing in the Age of Aquarius.

Matthew 28:16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

Kinda open and shut to me this is about Astrology.

[perroloco]

Jul 14, 2009 18:48:03 GMT -5 Vudu_Prince said:

Jul 14, 2009 17:29:50 GMT -5 perroloco said:

Yeah we know about the above symbolism but its a tad bit deeper than that.

Can't argue with you Bruh if you are going to brush aside a Truth

It's not a coincidence that the bible is written in the exact procession of the Astrological Progression of the Ages. Lets look

You have Aaron with the Bull of the Taurian Age
Leviticus16:11And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:.

Moses starts the Age of Aries the Ram by taking over from the Taurian Age of Aaron Moses is signified by the Ram
Leviticus 8: 29And Moses took the breast, and waved it for a wave offering before the LORD: for of the ram of consecration it was Moses' part; as the LORD commanded Moses.

Jesus has same Unleavened bread as before but this time as Fish for the Pisceian Age
Matthew 14:16But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 17And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 18He said, Bring them hither to me. 19And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

Then for his last supper that will be the signifying moment to end his age and usher in another one.. who does Jesus send his disciples to for preparation of this event? Lets see

Mark 14:12And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? 13And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him. 14And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 15And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.

Above is bringing in the Age of Aquarius.

Matthew 28:16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

Kinda open and shut to me this is about Astrology.

So are you saying that that some of this "Ages" last only days?....months?

A lot of this stuff is open for debate, because we see what we want to see and make truth bend to our own prejudices, that is the danger of any "religion", especially if there is fanaticism involved. Personally, I love it when my beliefs are challenged. The Truth does not wilt under cross-examination

[DamieQue™]

Jul 14, 2009 19:44:04 GMT -5 perroloco said:

Jul 14, 2009 18:48:03 GMT -5 Vudu_Prince said:

Jul 14, 2009 17:29:50 GMT -5 perroloco said:

Yeah we know about the above symbolism but its a tad bit deeper than that.

Can't argue with you Bruh if you are going to brush aside a Truth

It's not a coincidence that the bible is written in the exact procession of the Astrological Progression of the Ages. Lets look

You have Aaron with the Bull of the Taurian Age
Leviticus16:11And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:.

Moses starts the Age of Aries the Ram by taking over from the Taurian Age of Aaron Moses is signified by the Ram
Leviticus 8: 29And Moses took the breast, and waved it for a wave offering before the LORD: for of the ram of consecration it was Moses' part; as the LORD commanded Moses.

Jesus has same Unleavened bread as before but this time as Fish for the Pisceian Age
Matthew 14:16But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 17And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 18He said, Bring them hither to me. 19And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

Then for his last supper that will be the signifying moment to end his age and usher in another one.. who does Jesus send his disciples to for preparation of this event? Lets see

Mark 14:12And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? 13And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him. 14And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 15And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.

Above is bringing in the Age of Aquarius.

Matthew 28:16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

Kinda open and shut to me this is about Astrology.

So are you saying that that some of this "Ages" last only days?....months?

A lot of this stuff is open for debate, because we see what we want to see and make truth bend to our own prejudices, that is the danger of any "religion", especially if there is fanaticism involved. Personally, I love it when my beliefs are challenged. The Truth does not wilt under cross-examination

LOL - that last line sounds like something I would say (except I usually say "The Truth stands up to scrutiny"). Anyway carry on.

[No Screen Name]

WELCOME Perro Loco! *VERY* glad you're here.

[Vudu_Prince]

Jul 14, 2009 19:44:04 GMT -5 perroloco said:

Jul 14, 2009 18:48:03 GMT -5 Vudu_Prince said:

Jul 14, 2009 17:29:50 GMT -5 perroloco said:

Yeah we know about the above symbolism but its a tad bit deeper than that.

Can't argue with you Bruh if you are going to brush aside a Truth

It's not a coincidence that the bible is written in the exact procession of the Astrological Progression of the Ages. Lets look

You have Aaron with the Bull of the Taurian Age
Leviticus16:11And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:.

Moses starts the Age of Aries the Ram by taking over from the Taurian Age of Aaron Moses is signified by the Ram
Leviticus 8: 29And Moses took the breast, and waved it for a wave offering before the LORD: for of the ram of consecration it was Moses' part; as the LORD commanded Moses.

Jesus has same Unleavened bread as before but this time as Fish for the Pisceian Age
Matthew 14:16But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 17And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 18He said, Bring them hither to me. 19And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

Then for his last supper that will be the signifying moment to end his age and usher in another one.. who does Jesus send his disciples to for preparation of this event? Lets see

Mark 14:12And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? 13And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him. 14And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 15And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.

Above is bringing in the Age of Aquarius.

Matthew 28:16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

Kinda open and shut to me this is about Astrology.

So are you saying that that some of this "Ages" last only days?....months?

A lot of this stuff is open for debate, because we see what we want to see and make truth bend to our own prejudices, that is the danger of any "religion", especially if there is fanaticism involved. Personally, I love it when my beliefs are challenged. The Truth does not wilt under cross-examination

Well in and out of Biblical Terms know one really has an exact time table for how long the ages last. Some say 2,000 years some say as low as 50. The fact remains regardless of the content the context of the story we now coin as the bible follows the procession of Taurus, Aries, Pisces, and Aquarius. In that order. Why not Chickens, Corn, etc. Why does the man have a pitcher of water? Why not chill with a long beard and a book. lol. Who is this Man with the Pitcher of Water asked to prepare his "Upper Room"? Age of Aquarius is seen as a mental state of higher consciousness. Upper Room? Text says that not me.

Like the amazing thing I see with some Christians as they attempt to use thought to defend the religion but use faith when you confirm it as your path. If one uses thought for confirmation as well realizing faith is a false construct, a tool used to add a foundation as you embark on the unknown then you can set yourself free.

[Julie Art]

Jul 14, 2009 19:44:04 GMT -5 perroloco said:

Jul 14, 2009 18:48:03 GMT -5 Vudu_Prince said:

Jul 14, 2009 17:29:50 GMT -5 perroloco said:

Yeah we know about the above symbolism but its a tad bit deeper than that.

Can't argue with you Bruh if you are going to brush aside a Truth

It's not a coincidence that the bible is written in the exact procession of the Astrological Progression of the Ages. Lets look

You have Aaron with the Bull of the Taurian Age
Leviticus16:11And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:.

Moses starts the Age of Aries the Ram by taking over from the Taurian Age of Aaron Moses is signified by the Ram
Leviticus 8: 29And Moses took the breast, and waved it for a wave offering before the LORD: for of the ram of consecration it was Moses' part; as the LORD commanded Moses.

Jesus has same Unleavened bread as before but this time as Fish for the Pisceian Age
Matthew 14:16But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 17And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 18He said, Bring them hither to me. 19And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

Then for his last supper that will be the signifying moment to end his age and usher in another one.. who does Jesus send his disciples to for preparation of this event? Lets see

Mark 14:12And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? 13And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him. 14And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 15And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.

Above is bringing in the Age of Aquarius.

Matthew 28:16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

Kinda open and shut to me this is about Astrology.

So are you saying that that some of this "Ages" last only days?....months?

A lot of this stuff is open for debate, because we see what we want to see and make truth bend to our own prejudices, that is the danger of any "religion", especially if there is fanaticism involved. Personally, I love it when my beliefs are challenged. The Truth does not wilt under cross-examination

Nice!

[Julie Art]

Jul 14, 2009 22:48:11 GMT -5 No Screen Name said:

WELCOME Perro Loco! *VERY* glad you're here.

Ditto!

[Mrs. Eyes]

Jul 15, 2009 9:52:23 GMT -5 Julie Art said:

Jul 14, 2009 22:48:11 GMT -5 No Screen Name said:

WELCOME Perro Loco! *VERY* glad you're here.

Ditto!

Agreed.

[perroloco]

[quote author=vodouprince board=relig thread=7004
Like the amazing thing I see with some Christians as they attempt to use thought to defend the religion but use faith when you confirm it as your path. If one uses thought for confirmation as well realizing faith is a false construct, a tool used to add a foundation as you embark on the unknown then you can set yourself free.[/quote]

Thought and faith? You of all people should know why.

Christians use thought or intellect because they "must study to show themselves approved". Faith is the realm beyond our human Gnosis/ken that our Heavenly Father asks of us to have only beyond a mustard seed or the touch of a hem.

Bruh, I had originally had a much longer and detailed answer as to why your Ages are mis-placed but why.............

[nsync]

Exalt. Your first came from Outtie. Remember that!

Jul 14, 2009 19:44:04 GMT -5 perroloco said:

So are you saying that that some of this "Ages" last only days?....months?

A lot of this stuff is open for debate, because we see what we want to see and make truth bend to our own prejudices, that is the danger of any "religion", especially if there is fanaticism involved. Personally, I love it when my beliefs are challenged. The Truth does not wilt under cross-examination

[Vudu_Prince]

Jul 15, 2009 18:04:11 GMT -5 perroloco said:

Thought and faith? You of all people should know why.

Christians use thought or intellect because they "must study to show themselves approved". Faith is the realm beyond our human Gnosis/ken that our Heavenly Father asks of us to have only beyond a mustard seed or the touch of a hem.

Bruh, I had originally had a much longer and detailed answer as to why your Ages are mis-placed but why.............

Well show how the ages are misplaced? What do you disagree with? Does the progression not go Taurus, Aries, Pisces, Aquarius? Is the symbolism not Bull, Ram, Fish, Water Bucket? I guess thats a coinkydink? Same with Sumerian symbolism throughout the bible is a coinkydink too? Sirius Dogon symbolism another coinkydink? RegVeda 7 Seers of Sound symbolism with the 7 Trumphets shown in both the old and new testament too? Bruh almost every instance in the bible you point to I can correlate it to something of a earlier time that has nothing to do with Christianity but was absorbed by it. Thats not proof your religion is correct but moreso proof of thievery. The Holy God spookism is not gonna work. You want me to give you facts but you give me spookism. Don't work like that.

Again... Faith is a man made construct. Lets test Faith at its purest form and see if it remains.
Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth of or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. If Faith is of "God" then it should be absolute and exist every where all the time.

New Born baby is Hungry... does it have faith it will be fed?

New Born Baby has Gas... does it have faith it will be burped?

New Born Baby has did a Dookie.... does it have faith it will be changed?

All the above are an absolute NO. The child alarms with a cry for all of the aforementioned. If the child had Faith it would sit quiet knowing its Mother would KNOW when it is in need. Following the absolute laws of cause and effect. The child innately knows that if it sounds the alarm.. help will arrive.

Faith is a false taught construct period.

[Julie Art]

Jul 15, 2009 20:04:27 GMT -5 @nsync said:

Exalt. Your first came from Outtie. Remember that!

Jul 14, 2009 19:44:04 GMT -5 perroloco said:

So are you saying that that some of this "Ages" last only days?....months?

A lot of this stuff is open for debate, because we see what we want to see and make truth bend to our own prejudices, that is the danger of any "religion", especially if there is fanaticism involved. Personally, I love it when my beliefs are challenged. The Truth does not wilt under cross-examination

And your 2nd came from me!