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Post by Gee-Are on Sept 1, 2008 11:30:56 GMT -5
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26496189/They are announcing this now so that the rumors about Trig being Sarah's grandchild will stop. She's suposedly 5 months pregnant now.
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Post by frozenmenace on Sept 1, 2008 11:43:32 GMT -5
She might be pregnant now, but that doesn't mean Trig isn't her child. LIES LIES LIES!!! She is probably only about 3 months.
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Sept 1, 2008 11:49:37 GMT -5
I was just about to post this.
McCain could not have vetted her at all. Do you think he knew this? We have a mother of 5 who has a 5 month old special needs baby and a 17 year old "special needs" daughter. Does anyone really think that now is a good time for her to be hitting the campaign trail? He could not have know that her daughter was pregnant. This is a disaster for their campaign. Even the most rabid feminist would have to agree that she should be more focused on her kids right now. I question her judgement to accept this position, and I REALLY question McCains judgement for picking her.
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Sept 1, 2008 11:54:01 GMT -5
This will be a damper on their campaign, choosing her backfired on him.
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Post by Gee-Are on Sept 1, 2008 14:19:28 GMT -5
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Post by DamieQue™ on Sept 1, 2008 14:22:55 GMT -5
I think Prissy hit the nail on the head.
This is a CLEAR indicator that McCain did not vet this woman - he picked her at the last second - not for her squeaky clean background, not for her experience (since it is clear she has neither) but because she is a woman and he thought the gimmick would play out.
Let's see how the Evangelicals feel about her daughter having pre-marital sex. What kind of household is she running that her daughter is pregnant? Water - what say? No trickle-down morals?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Sept 1, 2008 15:04:10 GMT -5
McCain is playing this chit like a fiddle. I'm telling you he is pushing this out there and eventually it will become a sex issue. The one card more powerful in politics than race is GENDER.
Remember ya boy VP said this first. This is gathering steam and soon women across the board will come to her defense....
<<Slow claps for McSame camp
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Sept 1, 2008 15:05:13 GMT -5
I think Prissy hit the nail on the head.
This is a CLEAR indicator that McCain did not vet this woman - he picked her at the last second - not for her squeaky clean background, not for her experience (since it is clear she has neither) but because she is a woman and he thought the gimmick would play out.
Let's see how the Evangelicals feel about her daughter having pre-marital sex. What kind of household is she running that her daughter is pregnant? Water - what say? No trickle-down morals? She is not an honorable woman either. I know she didn't go to Harvard or anything but please tell me she is not stupid enough to think that her family drama would not be germane to her ability to convert undecided voters to their ticket. McCain should have absolutely vetted her and he holds ultimate responsibility. He was chosen by Republican voters to represent their party in the general election, he owes his supporters better than they have gotten. But as a potential VP candidate, she should have let McCain know she has a pregnant daughter and a pretty damaging ethics investigation in place. If that didn't give him pause, then her hands were clean. Even more important than her consideration of how her drama affects McCain, she should have thought about how it would affect her family. Lets look at the reason she came out with the story that her daughter is now pregnant. She outted her daughter to squash rumors that the 5 month old belongs to the daughter. Was there no other way to do this? Did she think that maybe she could have released the pertinent parts of her medical records to the press? She accepted the VP slot and with that, SHE accepted the scrutiny that comes along with it. Her daughter did not ask for this and for a mother to pull her pregnant daughter in front of her as a shield to squash rumors is detestable. Ok, the pregnancy would have been found out anyway at some point, but she should have let some low life blogger put it out there, or better yet, she should have passed on this opportunity and stayed home to continue to practice her family "values". I don't know how anyone can defend this woman or McCain. It is not about her views at this point. I actually agree with some of them, but it is about her actions and the fact that her actions have held her family up for intense scrutiny and ridicule. |
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Sept 1, 2008 15:08:45 GMT -5
McCain is playing this chit like a fiddle. I'm telling you he is pushing this out there and eventually it will become a sex issue. The one card more powerful in politics than race is GENDER. Remember ya boy VP said this first. This is gathering steam and soon women across the board will come to her defense.... <<Slow claps for McSame camp I don't think that is going to work. The right wingers will try it, they want her to be the victim like Hillary was perceived to be. The problem with her is that she has made some really bad choices and she is about as qualified for VP as I am. Even with that, she accepted the offer. She has brought this on herself and so much is being uncovered about her and this is only in 3 days. So, sure they are going to want to make it about sexism and Palin being the victim of the mean democrats, but this is clearly about her judgement and McCains judgement. There is no escaping this. The fact that McCain didn't vet her at all is going to make it hard for them to now scream victim. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Sept 1, 2008 15:25:52 GMT -5
McCain is playing this chit like a fiddle. I'm telling you he is pushing this out there and eventually it will become a sex issue. The one card more powerful in politics than race is GENDER. Remember ya boy VP said this first. This is gathering steam and soon women across the board will come to her defense.... <<Slow claps for McSame camp
And it's NOT. No one is saying it's not an issue - but I give women more credit than that, just like I give black folks more credit than that. Like EVERY other demographic we vote on MORE than just race and gender.
No one in their right minds should believe that she has some Ovarian Shield that will protect her from any and all criticism or that women will simply join her in that shield because she's a woman. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Sept 1, 2008 16:08:55 GMT -5
Hold Up... How can yall say gender and race doesn't matter? LOL
Geraldine Ferraro was right on the money. The race between Hillary and Barack was 2 things... He is a good candidate but also he is black.
Edwards, Kerry, Biden, etc wouldn't have stood a chance against Hillary.
This campaign IS all about Race and Gender. Yall can be PC all you want. If Barack wasn't in the race and someone else who was a white male ran his same campaign he wouldve lost to Hillary and yall know it.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Sept 1, 2008 16:26:52 GMT -5
Hold Up... How can yall say gender and race doesn't matter?
.[/size][/quote] Regarding Geraldine Ferraro and her comments about Barack she couldn't have been farther off the mark if she had turned her back to her intended target and fired in the opposite direction. Obama's success is a confluence of things - right background, right education, right connections, right career path, right ideas, right support structure, right campaign approach, AND right message at right time. To say - that it's all about race or gender is crazy to me. White people aren't voting for him because he's black and men weren't voting for Hillary because she was a woman. It's NOT just the messenger Bruh, it's the "message". [/color] |
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Post by Gee-Are on Sept 1, 2008 16:31:28 GMT -5
Hold Up... How can yall say gender and race doesn't matter? LOL Geraldine Ferraro was right on the money. The race between Hillary and Barack was 2 things... He is a good candidate but also he is black. Edwards, Kerry, Biden, etc wouldn't have stood a chance against Hillary. This campaign IS all about Race and Gender. Yall can be PC all you want. If Barack wasn't in the race and someone else who was a white male ran his same campaign he wouldve lost to Hillary and yall know it. I think you're overlooking the fact that the candidate himself represented the message he was stating. In this case the message and the messenger were the same...CHANGE. There was no way you could look at Obama and not think this was a different kind of politics...The way he raised money, the way he spoke to those who listened to him, the way he addressed other candidates, the way he looked. Hillary could have used the change message, but she chose EXPERIENCE, bad calculation on her part. McCain uses the CHANGE message but it falls flat because he doesn't look different or speak differently than anyone else the American people have seen. So discounting the fact that Barack chose the right message is a flaw in your argument. Jesse ran - didn't have the same success. Keys ran - didn't have the same success. Rev. Al ran - didn't have the same success. Hell Gary Coleman ran for governor of Cali and he didn't stand a chance. Being a black politician doesn't guarantee a win. Black people want to see a Black candidate win, and they've tried in times past to prop up some of the earlier examples, they learned that the candidate has to have mass appeal. That's what Barack has, because there's no way he wins without white support. On the flip side. There's no way Barack wins without the galvanized Black support. |
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Post by Gee-Are on Sept 1, 2008 16:40:21 GMT -5
And if folks were criticizing her for running with 5 kids before, what's the criticism going to be now?
Her oldest is going to Iraq, her next oldest is about to have a baby and a shotgun wedding. That's horrible stress, and all of this happened BEFORE she was named VP candidate, BEFORE she was on the campaign trail, BEFORE she is in the office.
Folks are asking already...If her child is getting pregnant with her at home, what's going to happen when she goes on the trail?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Sept 1, 2008 16:47:25 GMT -5
Okay so if Biden, Edwards or even Kerry ran the exact same campaign as Barack did. Same Speeches and all.. Would they have beat Hillary. Matter of fact would you have voted for them instead of her?
My point is people really don't care about the issues when it comes down to it. Its all about who you can connect with and makes you feel like you matter.
Ronald Reagan is a prime example. This economy was fucked up from 1980-88. No Jobs. Drugs everywhere. Guns. everything. Far worse than bush. Quiet Weapons(crack) funding Silent Wars. But yet and still 28 years later Ronald Reagan is still seen as the best Republican President ever. Why?
Because he was charismatic. He knew how to speak to the people in a way that the American public in sum respects didn't mind walking with him through the lean times because most felt he was in the struggle with them.
Issues don't matter because half the shit a politician puts out there wont pass anyway.
<<Calls it like it really is.
In a perfect world what yall are stating would be nice. But this is a land with 400 years of slavery, present day sexism and racism as well as class ism.
Politicians tug at the heart of this things
When Barack Obama states its time for a change and to get away from old time politics I understand what he is saying. The question is do you guys understand?
Old time politics= White Men Making all the decisions.
I think people are tired of White Males making all of the decisions. This includes women of all shades. Especially white women. The entire Suffrage movement was about standing up to White Men in this male chauvinistic society.
Lets stop being PC about whats going on here and look at the truth.
Yes some...hell ALOT of white people especially white females are voting for this man in part because he is black.
His entire campaign is built around it. Do you understand what he means when he says he doesn't look like the men on the dollar bills. Do you realize the point he is trying to drive home?
He too knows that white women and the world are growing tired of American arrogance "white males" to the issues of this country and regions around the world.
When will we wake up and see this brother for who he is. A revolutionary in sheep's clothing.....
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Post by Gee-Are on Sept 1, 2008 17:09:32 GMT -5
Which is exactly why I said in this case, the message matches the messenger. YES he is change, he looks change, he speaks change, he acts change.
Kerry, Edwards or Biden could NOT have effectively run on a campaign of change, because they LOOKED like more of the same. Hillary COULD have run on the message of change and it be effective, however, she chose to run on experience.
I hear what you're saying. What I'm saying is, the fact that Obama fits the change mold has nothing to do with women jumping on a Palin bandwagon because she's a woman.
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Post by coldfront06 on Sept 1, 2008 17:13:24 GMT -5
VP...you remind me of Rush Limbaugh a few years ago saying that the media wanted Donovan McNabb to succeed because he's Black. You give White people alot more credit than I do...LOL. A part of me still thinks that McCain is going to win, because when push comes to shove, many White people just won't be able to pull the trigger and vote for a Black man.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Sept 1, 2008 17:23:42 GMT -5
VP...you remind me of Rush Limbaugh a few years ago saying that the media wanted Donovan McNabb to succeed because he's Black. You give White people alot more credit than I do...LOL. A part of me still thinks that McCain is going to win, because when push comes to shove, many White people just won't be able to pull the trigger and vote for a Black man. LOL In part Rush was right about the sentiments of the league and NFl pundits in general. What he was wrong about was that Donovan didnt have the skill and was getting some sort of pass. That's where he fucked up with me. I have listened to Rush since he had the TV show on FOX back in the day. Before Jon Stewart you had Rush and listening to him is what got me interested in Politics. Not the voting aspect of it but the spin that the media does and things that happen behind the scenes. I mean when he dropped this video here on his show I was like damn. After that I knew the Clintons were full of shit HA! Before you had Youtube you had RUSH |
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Post by 123Diva on Sept 1, 2008 17:47:40 GMT -5
Unpopular Opinion to Follow:
Just to be clear, I am voting for Sen. Obama in November.
However, I cannot help but wonder if the level of scrutiny Palin is uner is simply because she is a woman. There is an underlying sentiment that she should just be home with her family because that is "her place."
Had the VP candidate been a right wing man with the same morals as Palin and a pregnany teenage daughter, would the media truly be having this much of a field day? I mean I REALLY wonder.
I don't think she is the best person for the job and I agree that she was not properly vetted if at all, but I don't necessarily appreciate the lurking sexism and even misogyny either.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Sept 1, 2008 17:51:03 GMT -5
And there it is folks.... Millions of Women are thinking the samething.... Way to keep 100 Diva
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Post by 123Diva on Sept 1, 2008 17:55:09 GMT -5
It's not going to sway my vote though VP, because to me the fact still stands that the Obama/Biden ticket is stronger.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Sept 1, 2008 17:56:12 GMT -5
It's not going to sway my vote though VP, because to me the fact still stands that the Obama/Biden ticket is stronger. But to those 18 Million Hilary backers amongst some who feel the same as you...  ? |
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Post by 123Diva on Sept 1, 2008 18:00:19 GMT -5
VP, some of those women may be offended by the way the media is playing this out, but those same women may also concede that Palin is a bad mom.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Sept 1, 2008 18:03:38 GMT -5
VP, some of those women may be offended by the way the media is playing this out, but those same women may also concede that Palin is a bad mom. A bad mom? Hmmm so out of all of those 18 Million folks.. None of them are teen mom or dads themselves? How abotu being the offspring of teen moms? Here is a conservative who is trying to get common folk sentiment... They staring off on the right track |
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Post by coldfront06 on Sept 1, 2008 18:08:26 GMT -5
I do think some of this stuff is outrageous. Her husband had a DWI 24 years ago? LOL...who cares. But the fact is, she was picked simply because she's a woman. Being mayor of a town of 7,000 and Governor of Alaska is hardly "executive experience" enough to qualify one for being a heartbeat away from the presidency.
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Post by pinkngreen06 on Sept 1, 2008 18:41:57 GMT -5
I do think some of this stuff is outrageous. Her husband had a DWI 24 years ago? LOL...who cares. But the fact is, she was picked simply because she's a woman. Being mayor of a town of 7,000 and Governor of Alaska is hardly "executive experience" enough to qualify one for being a heartbeat away from the presidency. Basically |
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Post by Gee-Are on Sept 1, 2008 18:52:10 GMT -5
Unpopular Opinion to Follow: Just to be clear, I am voting for Sen. Obama in November. However, I cannot help but wonder if the level of scrutiny Palin is uner is simply because she is a woman. There is an underlying sentiment that she should just be home with her family because that is "her place." Had the VP candidate been a right wing man with the same morals as Palin and a pregnany teenage daughter, would the media truly be having this much of a field day? I mean I REALLY wonder. I don't think she is the best person for the job and I agree that she was not properly vetted if at all, but I don't necessarily appreciate the lurking sexism and even misogyny either. I feel that people would scrutinize a man. We have selective memories to support our stances. John Edwards received plenty of scrutiny for deciding to run and campaign whilst his wife was suffering from cancer. Now, he was receiving some treatments of his own, but that's a different story. The fact remains...people judge, whether they should or shouldn't and that plays hugely in American politics. |
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Post by No Screen Name on Sept 1, 2008 19:25:51 GMT -5
Have you all seen this chart? img364.imageshack.us/img364/4628/sarahpalinla4.pngAs for the question as to whether this type of scrutiny would happen to a man or not...I'm not sure. This situation just seems super-RIDICULOUS. It's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to not ask questions or dig deeper into her background. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Sept 1, 2008 19:40:51 GMT -5
Have you all seen this chart? img364.imageshack.us/img364/4628/sarahpalinla4.pngAs for the question as to whether this type of scrutiny would happen to a man or not...I'm not sure. This situation just seems super-RIDICULOUS. It's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to not ask questions or dig deeper into her background. Man folks are playng right into there hands on this one. The public sympathy is coming. Pre, partum and postpartum depression is about to come up. Come on yall don't see what is about to happen here? Open you eyes.... This is American Politics. Not about the issues but about public opinion |
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Post by ACES on Sept 1, 2008 19:52:25 GMT -5
Unpopular Opinion to Follow: Just to be clear, I am voting for Sen. Obama in November. However, I cannot help but wonder if the level of scrutiny Palin is uner is simply because she is a woman. There is an underlying sentiment that she should just be home with her family because that is "her place." Had the VP candidate been a right wing man with the same morals as Palin and a pregnany teenage daughter, would the media truly be having this much of a field day? I mean I REALLY wonder. I don't think she is the best person for the job and I agree that she was not properly vetted if at all, but I don't necessarily appreciate the lurking sexism and even misogyny either. in part, yes. simply because she was chosen BECAUSE of her gender. you know that, I know that and (hopefully) jon q. public knows that. And any ire, angst and anger as a result of said scrutiny should be directed to granpa mcain. He's the bottom line cause of this as evidenced by this poor choice of a running mate. Be mad at him for his blatant attempt at political pandering. and while we're at it, let's let her share in some of the blame for going along with this nutty idea, knowing the variables at play. she's culpable too. |
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