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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 19:07:53 GMT -5
He can win with Gov. Sarah Palin as his VP yea it is just as likely as a black man becoming president  Im not saying he wont get elected...from the start, Ive said he probably will. Not because I think he is the best nominee but because I dont have much faith in the American public. That being said, politics and opinions aside....I do not understand how anyone can straight faced say this woman is qualified to be 2nd in command. Seriously...and when I hear the Repubs argue their case, they sound more and more off kilter. Even (honest) Republicans are scratchin' their heads. |
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Post by water on Aug 29, 2008 19:15:33 GMT -5
 Thats Dan Quayle throwing up the sigma sign if he became president She has a great shot Go Go McCain/Palin 08 |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 19:19:36 GMT -5
Thats Dan Quayle throwing up the sigma sign if he became president She has a great shot Go Go McCain/Palin 08 For 5 seconds can we not try to relate EVERYTHING to being greek? Let's be mature here....go answer my question in the religious thread...  and TRY, TRY--as hard as it may be-- to NOT insert some crazy Greek bashing rhetoric....try. Please. |
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Post by Gee-Are on Aug 29, 2008 19:22:33 GMT -5
This is almost like if Barack had picked Obama Girl as his running mate...
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Post by theoneandonly on Aug 29, 2008 20:15:35 GMT -5
I think Sen McCain is secretely working for Sen Obama.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 20:17:21 GMT -5
This is almost like if Barack had picked Obama Girl as his running mate... |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 20:17:35 GMT -5
Watching CNN....I cant with this woman and her defending the Republican pick rather just asking the question. I hate that. Acknowledge your candidate's weakness rather than try to plug her and bash the other side. The question was "Is Palin the most qualified REPUBLICAN candidate for VP?" Where...WHERE...in that statement...does there suggest that the answer should include "Obama" or "Biden"? Rather than skirt the issues, an HONEST answer would be, "no, she may not be the MOST qualified or have the MOST experience but she is undoubtedly capable of being VP"...and THEN running down her resume and comparing and contrasting her to BIDEN....NOT Obama....she is NOT running for Pres, she's running for VP! Geez....come on...the response to her nomination goes to show that they are USING this woman to undermine OBAMA. They refuse to compare her to Biden. They refuse to admit that he only met her once. ADMIT that nobody, not even YOU know who this woman is...you're tauting this person as the best, however, you have only met her once....and REGARDLESS of who you plan to vote for, as a woman, that is offensive IMO.
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 20:18:37 GMT -5
This is almost like if Barack had picked Obama Girl as his running mate... I really just dont understand it. Im going to call my mother and ask her what she thinks....she's on that pro-life or go home kick...so I need to understand this....I really do. |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 20:20:42 GMT -5
I think Sen McCain is secretely working for Sen Obama. At least that would provide some sort of logical explanation b/c I haven't heard ONE yet that would make me say "Oh, ok....now I get it." How coincidental that you just said that!!! ROFLMAO! They are still running McCain's "congrats Obama" ad that was only supposed to run last night! ROFL!! Man, these people...smh...you just might be right!!! LOL! |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 20:22:05 GMT -5
Someone asked me today why Democrats were upset over this pick. I told them we aren't. We think it's a great pick...
...if you want Obama/Biden to win. And I do - so I do. ;D ;D ;D ;D
And what makes it worse of all is that McCain set this table himself. He was the one that made experience an election year issue, and then with his fragile health, he makes his next in command someone who has had ZERO foreign policy experience - and then attempt to say this wasn't a pander to women voters. This is a gift that will keep on giving.
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 20:22:25 GMT -5
I just want someone to address how she was picked over EVERY OTHER QUALIFIED REPUBLICAN....that's all I want to know. Even she can't explain it when asked....I want to know how this is supposed to convinced that McCain will make wise decisions.
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 20:25:07 GMT -5
Someone asked me today why Democrats were upset over this pick. I told them we aren't. We think it's a great pick...
...if you want Obama/Biden to win. And I do - so I do. ;D ;D ;D ;D
And what makes it worse of all is that McCain set this table himself. He was the one that made experience an election year issue, and then with his fragile health, he makes his next in command someone who has had ZERO foreign policy experience - and then attempt to say this wasn't a pander to women voters. This is a gift that will keep on giving.
Well, Im offended. I find it funny that McCain has said she is the best to be next in line as CIC yet NOT ONE other Repub will even address the question...these people sitting up on tv and straight lying. Sure, I believe you'd run this country efficiently. They are proving that they are wishy washy....Im very annoyed. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 20:27:57 GMT -5
R O T F L - I would say this more like George Bush nominating Harriet Myers for Supreme Court Justice. I suspect that now with women across the nation sounding off and saying how offensive this pick is to them - the buyer's remorse should be kicking in *looks at watch* right about now. I really just dont understand it. Im going to call my mother and ask her what she thinks....she's on that pro-life or go home kick...so I need to understand this....I really do. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 20:30:55 GMT -5
Someone asked me today why Democrats were upset over this pick. I told them we aren't. We think it's a great pick...
...if you want Obama/Biden to win. And I do - so I do. ;D ;D ;D ;D
And what makes it worse of all is that McCain set this table himself. He was the one that made experience an election year issue, and then with his fragile health, he makes his next in command someone who has had ZERO foreign policy experience - and then attempt to say this wasn't a pander to women voters. This is a gift that will keep on giving.
Well, Im offended. I find it funny that McCain has said she is the best to be next in line as CIC yet NOT ONE other Repub will even address the question...these people sitting up on tv and straight lying. Sure, I believe you'd run this country efficiently. They are proving that they are wishy washy....Im very annoyed.
Once the media gets ahold of her, she'll start her vetting process - for better or (as I suspect) for worse. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 20:36:18 GMT -5
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 20:38:13 GMT -5
And Damie....Im one of those voters, who, in every election WANTS to be convinced...I'M the type vote that EACH party needs. I have NO problem sitting out if I do not believe in EITHER candidate b/c I believe the right to vote includes the right not to and I don't care what other people think about that. I'm not voting for Barak JUST b/c he's black and I'm not voting for McCain JUST b/c he is pro-life...I'm voting for the BEST LEADER based on MY PERSONAL BELIEFS.... Right now, I'm looking at the Republicans and thinking... like "Really? So basically you are telling me that you think I wear a plastic helmet." Until I hear something to make me even remotely believe they aren't absolute idiots...I'm turning to Obama/Biden and listening to them...waiting to be convinced. I HATE the political process.
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 20:40:24 GMT -5
Everyone thinks he's nuts....bump what the Dems think...check what HONEST republicans think....and HA HA HA at those men who would NEVER vote for a woman leader...HA HA HA....I bet those West Virginian's are stumped....they have to either pick a black or a broad (no offense to her)...I bet they are in total disbelief. I'd be interested to see what the voter turn out is like this year. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 20:48:59 GMT -5
And Damie....Im one of those voters, who, in every election WANTS to be convinced...I'M the type vote that EACH party needs. I have NO problem sitting out if I do not believe in EITHER candidate b/c I believe the right to vote includes the right not to and I don't care what other people think about that. I'm not voting for Barak JUST b/c he's black and I'm not voting for McCain JUST b/c he is pro-life...I'm voting for the BEST LEADER based on MY PERSONAL BELIEFS.... Right now, I'm looking at the Republicans and thinking... like "Really? So basically you are telling me that you think I wear a plastic helmet." Until I hear something to make me even remotely believe they aren't absolute idiots...I'm turning to Obama/Biden and listening to them...waiting to be convinced. I HATE the political process.
2. I'm kinda the opposite. Democrats have to lose my vote while Republicans have to earn it. And it's actually happened before. For me though the Republican Brand is so tarnished - so stuffed to the brim with people who bathe in white privilege and govern accordingly that I can't vote for them unless there is something mortally wrong with the Democrat.
Ironically I actually thought about voting for McCain in 2000 if he was the Republican nominee. And stuff like this just further confirms for me that Republicans of the consistently the WORST of the two evils. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 20:51:21 GMT -5
Everyone thinks he's nuts....bump what the Dems think...check what HONEST republicans think....and HA HA HA at those men who would NEVER vote for a woman leader...HA HA HA.... I bet those West Virginian's are stumped....they have to either pick a black or a broad (no offense to her)...I bet they are in total disbelief. I'd be interested to see what the voter turn out is like this year. |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 20:53:17 GMT -5
I really just dont understand it. Im going to call my mother and ask her what she thinks....she's on that pro-life or go home kick...so I need to understand this....I really do. This I dont agree with. If a person votes based on what they believe, then their vote is not wasted. You can not predicate what ANY party will deliver until their term is over. I wont undermine someone's decision just because I disagree. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 21:04:19 GMT -5
If she gets on the bandwagon it'll be a wasted vote. The Republicans have never delivered on there promises. They never will. This I dont agree with. If a person votes based on what they believe, then their vote is not wasted. You can not predicate what ANY party will deliver until their term is over. I wont undermine someone's decision just because I disagree.
As for me, I look at a vote as an investment. If it results in my candidate winning and he or she doesn't do what they promised then I might as well have voted for the other person. The vote was wasted. |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 21:47:26 GMT -5
This I dont agree with. If a person votes based on what they believe, then their vote is not wasted. You can not predicate what ANY party will deliver until their term is over. I wont undermine someone's decision just because I disagree.
As for me, I look at a vote as an investment. If it results in my candidate winning and he or she doesn't do what they promised then I might as well have voted for the other person. The vote was wasted. Fair enough. And I think we both agree that it's an investment. My position is that it takes time to realize your investment. With ANY investment comes a risk. When you make the investment, you make it based off what you believe your return will be. Hindsight is 20/20. So I guess, my position is that NO vote is a wasted vote....except 1) maybe where you sit by idly and ignorantly fail to vote (not the same as making a conscience decision not to vote) or 2) you vote a second time for a candidate who has proved himself incompetent. In this election, EVERY vote is risky...on the one hand you have Obama...who, admittedly has little experience, and arguably has a red laser on his forehead (to be honest) but who has Biden to make up for where he lacks. Then you have McCain, who has experience but is "one heartbeat away" from a pinebox and a VP who probably has never even set foot in Washington, DC. Which is the wiser investment? That is what I'm trying to figure out. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 29, 2008 21:49:52 GMT -5
McCain should have chosen Michael Jackson to be his running mate.
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 21:54:06 GMT -5
And then there was Froze... lol
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 29, 2008 21:57:03 GMT -5
Yep..here I is!!!! lol
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 22:34:54 GMT -5
So be it. We disagree. I'm not sure what you would consider a wasted vote since I can't imagine someone voting for something that they DIDN'T believe in.
As for me, I look at a vote as an investment. If it results in my candidate winning and he or she doesn't do what they promised then I might as well have voted for the other person. The vote was wasted. Fair enough. And I think we both agree that it's an investment. My position is that it takes time to realize your investment. With ANY investment comes a risk. When you make the investment, you make it based off what you believe your return will be. Hindsight is 20/20. So I guess, my position is that NO vote is a wasted vote....except 1) maybe where you sit by idly and ignorantly fail to vote (not the same as making a conscience decision not to vote) or 2) you vote a second time for a candidate who has proved himself incompetent. In this election, EVERY vote is risky...on the one hand you have Obama...who, admittedly has little experience, and arguably has a red laser on his forehead (to be honest) but who has Biden to make up for where he lacks. Then you have McCain, who has experience but is "one heartbeat away" from a pinebox and a VP who probably has never even set foot in Washington, DC. Which is the wiser investment? That is what I'm trying to figure out.
It's NOT longevity - it's judgment. McCain doesn't have it, Palin simply hasn't been in a position to need to form judgments (or other positions for that matter) on an international scale.
Now you couple that with McCain's puzzling and ultimately self-defeating co-opt of Bush's agenda, which is a failed brand - both in perception and in practice, and for me there's little room for doubt what the right choice is.
McCain's problem is that once he was down in the polls, he started dancing with the Rovian devil, the RNC smear machine, and now instead of standing for something/anything principled, like his Republican cohorts before him, he represents the blind ambition and winning at all costs attitude that typifies the Republican approach to politics every 4 years.
Instead of following his maverick instincts, he became beholden to the RNC machine and it's carefully choreographed attacks. McCain is at his best when he's NOT doing political calculus - and simply doing what he believes is right. He has let this election turn him into something that for most of his career he never was - a partisan operative afraid to follow his own judgment. And it has resulted in him being wrong about nearly everything he talks about - JUST like his predecessor Bush.
The only difference is Bush could ask Harriet Myers to decline the offer - for McCain the die was cast. And truthfully, he has been circling the drain long before he picked Palin. |
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Post by water on Aug 30, 2008 8:06:14 GMT -5
the epicenter of bigotry
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Post by Gee-Are on Aug 30, 2008 18:45:49 GMT -5
This is almost like if Barack had picked Obama Girl as his running mate... Naw...it's still like Obama Girl. That's why you've got fools now with URLs and youtube videos proclaiming that Palin is a VPILF...SMH! This woman is gonna be the next SouljaBoy of politics. >>>>Hopes she doesn't come out with a dance or song... Palin be off in dis ho! Watch me crank and watch me roll! Watch me crank dat VP slot then John McCain dat ho! Now watch me Yooooo Crank dat NRA...Yoooo Crank dat Pro-Life...Yoooo Crank dat GOP...Yoooooo Get it. Excuse me...just had a sidenote tangent... She's gonna be an internet sensation, and while Obama has been great at unifying the youth and internet generation, they're not always that reliable on the support front. e.g. Jennifer Hudson, On a real note, this Alaskan governor will win McCain some votes that he didn't have, because people can hide behind, "I'm making history by voting for a WOMAN!" and still obscure the fact that they're racist. Same dynamic we had in the Clinton Conflict. I know that they are totally different women with different views, but be honest, y'all know it ain't always about the issues. And don't sleep on her in these debates with Biden. Biden can have some good one-liners and zingers, but those might not come off so well if they're directed toward a woman. You can see now, they're still tryna figure out how to attack her, or if they will. Also, she was a communications major, I assume at a good school, so she should be aiight on the public speaking front. From what I've seen already, she's not as prickly as Clinton, which makes her more amenable to most in middle U.S.A. They see themselves in her. She is like a hockey mom or soccer mom. You just have to think are guys willing to vote their wife into office? Let me answer that for you... NO. I actually think this is a smart pick, but not for McCain in THIS election, but the GOP is energized because THEY knew they didn't have a game changing personality for their party who was WILLING to participate (Colin Powell). They only had more of the same. The next generation was looking like the current one, Romney, Crist, ain't a damn thing changed. With Palin, they can start to make the argument that they are passing the torch and look how bright their future looks. They will prop her up next to Jindal and hope that everyone sees them as the future of the GOP party. I just think this is too late in the game to try to get them to WIN an election. However, once Obama wins, guess who gets all the press during the term and for the next election cycle... |
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on Aug 31, 2008 10:27:13 GMT -5
Naw he didn't have to. Wright was a national issue. That some dudes got up and held up a banner at one of his speeches was a tiny blip on the radar that no one is even talking about or thinking about anymore. The Banner folks and Rev Wright were 2 completely different animals.
Yes Barack has black support - yes alot of it comes from Chicago - but let's be real - Iowa launched his campaign. Black folks weren't on board until the 95% white Iowa caucauses thrusted him forward. Hillary was KILLING Barack among black folks before that win. Let's keep it real - Obama is symbolic to us all - just different ways.
For many white people he represents a change in politics, for many black people he represents a change in social dynamics, for many people Barack represents change in how our country's leaders should be viewed. We don't own Barack. What he represents is MORE than just the symbolism for black people. Bruh Hillary was never Killin Barack in the black vote. lol. Iowa primary happened Jan 3. Barack went through the roof when southern white folks in Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina and Georgia were voting for him. I mean he whupped there asses in the Deep South. NOBODY thought he could get the white votes in the deep south. Iowa was really nothing if you ask me and he only picked up one more delegate than Hillary in that state. The numbers don't lie VP I have to agree with you there. IMO, Barak winning the states below the mason/dixon line spoke volumes! In the recent years, Georgia had become overwhelmingly GOP but he kicked Hillary's azz here in Georgia. |
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