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Post by ACES on Aug 29, 2008 12:08:39 GMT -5
YESSS!!!!! THANK YOU DAMIE!!!!!!!
this move WILL NOT work!
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Post by ReignMan19 on Aug 29, 2008 12:15:29 GMT -5
I'm so bewildered by this....
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 29, 2008 12:17:34 GMT -5
Damie, a strategist just confirmed what you said about women being offended by McCain thinking that women will vote for him just because Palin is a woman. The female strategist said that women were backing Hillary because of what she stood for, not because she is a woman. She said she finds it offensive that they think women will vote for the McCain/Palin ticket just because Palin is a woman.
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Post by FatalDST on Aug 29, 2008 12:18:49 GMT -5
that bastard thinks he's slick!
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Post by Noble Work on Aug 29, 2008 12:20:53 GMT -5
She is no Joe Biden and she is definitely no Hillary Clinton. She should feel like an ass that the only reason she was really chosen is because she is a woman. Not because she is the best person for the position, but simply because she is a woman and McFossil is trying hard to show up Obama. In my opinion she IS the token. |
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Post by ACES on Aug 29, 2008 12:24:14 GMT -5
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 12:39:57 GMT -5
Damie, a strategist just confirmed what you said about women being offended by McCain thinking that women will vote for him just because Palin is a woman. The female strategist said that women were backing Hillary because of what she stood for, not because she is a woman. She said she finds it offensive that they think women will vote for the McCain/Palin ticket just because Palin is a woman. In a perfect world that maybe the case but lets look at this. Lets say there was an Alpha and a Omega running for office. You backed the Alpha but he lost. Then another Alpha ran on the other ticket running on a platform that you didn't agree with. Wouldn't you vote for him because even though his issues are not akin to yours he seems more accessible. You maybe able to lean on him to the point that he could change somethings to accommodate you. This is what Mccain is counting on. Even though Palin is a conservative (which he needed to reach out to the conservatives in his on party) women may see her as accessible. That her gender may trump the issues and she under obligation to womanhood or just through sheer pressure by public opinion can be swayed to tackle some of the things that women in this country want. I say it was and is a very smart move and he may win because of it. Besides I'm not into white chicks but Palin can get it. She has the High School Math Teacher look who strips on the weekends... LOL |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 12:43:21 GMT -5
Another allegation involving the Bridge to Nowhere
Dubbed the “Bridge to Nowhere,” the bridge in Alaska would connect the town of Ketchikan (population 8,900) with its airport on the Island of Gravina (population 50) at a cost to federal taxpayers of $320 million... ...At present, a ferry service runs to the island, but some in the town complain about its wait (15 to 30 minutes) and fee ($6 per car).
www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/wm889.cfm
Some are saying that she helped to expose this project but other are alleging Palin waited until last September to pull the plug on the bridge, only after funding was denied...not before then.
More to come
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 29, 2008 12:44:10 GMT -5
If an Alpha and an Omega are running for a position and the Alpha lost, I would not necessarily back the new Alpha just because he is an Alpha...especially if his platform is one I don't agree with. If the Omega is more in line with what I agree with than my Alpha brother, then I would vote for the Omega.
It would be like saying that a black person is running against a white person and I am backing the black person. Then he/she loses and another black person is running but I don't agree with his/her platform. I wouldn't back that person just because they are black.
As far as Palin's looks go, she ain't all that. I see better looking white women all the time.
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Post by ReignMan19 on Aug 29, 2008 12:45:05 GMT -5
But would him being an Alpha mean that he has some of the same values or at the very least some of the same beliefs that another Alpha would have...
This woman seems to the "Anti Hillary" and i'm not sure woman are going to buy this..
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 12:48:21 GMT -5
Politicians take high risks when they are in trouble and they know it. Obama's lead has stretched out to 9 points in the latest gallup poll... even with the attacks, even without the Clintons campaigning, even with GOP operatives trying desperately all week to spin the campaign (and it should be noted that attacking a candidate during his/her convention is a NEW thing - as best I recall no campaign has done it before - not even Bush) Obama up 9.
Palin - high risk choice. Why? Because McCain knows he's in trouble. It is a GOOD day to be a Democrat. McCain just jumped the shark with that pick.
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Post by ACES on Aug 29, 2008 12:49:42 GMT -5
This woman is AGAINST roe v. wade. And THAT is the SINGLE issue MOST women base thier vote upon. It's a wrap! I'm willing to lay some GOOD GOTDAYUM ODDS that MORE women will be offended by this move than inspired by it. Now somebody, anybody PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE bet against me on this....
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 12:51:06 GMT -5
If an Alpha and an Omega are running for a position and the Alpha lost, I would not necessarily back the new Alpha just because he is an Alpha...especially if his platform is one I don't agree with. If the Omega is more in line with what I agree with than my Alpha brother, then I would vote for the Omega. It would be like saying that a black person is running against a white person and I am backing the black person. Then he/she loses and another black person is running but I don't agree with his/her platform. I wouldn't back that person just because they are black. As far as Palin's looks go, she ain't all that. I see better looking white women all the time. Okay thats you. Me if a Bruh lost an election and another bruh was running on another ticket with a different platform I didn't agree with.... I'm backing the bruh then I'm going to LEANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN on his ass. I'm talking taking the shield and using it like a saber. Sometimes accessibility, common interest and backgrounds trump the issues. Its all about who can be swayed. Maybe I'm thinking like a lobbyist right now. :shrugs: |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 12:51:46 GMT -5
But would him being an Alpha mean that he has some of the same values or at the very least some of the same beliefs that another Alpha would have... This woman seems to the "Anti Hillary" and i'm not sure woman are going to buy this..
Republicans are trying to spin it as a great pick - and you can tell they are straining to do it. |
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Post by ACES on Aug 29, 2008 12:52:19 GMT -5
Politicians take high risks when they are in trouble and they know it. Obama's lead has stretched out to 9 points in the latest gallup poll... even with the attacks, even without the Clintons campaigning, even with GOP operatives trying desperately all week to spin the campaign (and it should be noted that attacking a candidate during his/her convention is a NEW thing - as best I recall no campaign has done it before - not even Bush) Obama up 9.
Palin - high risk choice. Why? Because McCain knows he's in trouble. It is a GOOD day to be a Democrat. McCain just jumped the shark with that pick. LMAO!!! yep! you take high risks when EVERYTHING else you've tried ain't workin'. He's pushed all in with a WEAK ASS HAND and he's going up against a pair of Aces or Kings. He's gambling and the odds are against him........... |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 12:53:21 GMT -5
Seriously though what other choice did he have. Personally I think he shouldve picked JC Watts.
Chit wouldve been VERY VERY interesting
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 29, 2008 12:54:26 GMT -5
If an Alpha and an Omega are running for a position and the Alpha lost, I would not necessarily back the new Alpha just because he is an Alpha...especially if his platform is one I don't agree with. If the Omega is more in line with what I agree with than my Alpha brother, then I would vote for the Omega. It would be like saying that a black person is running against a white person and I am backing the black person. Then he/she loses and another black person is running but I don't agree with his/her platform. I wouldn't back that person just because they are black. As far as Palin's looks go, she ain't all that. I see better looking white women all the time. Okay thats you. Me if a Bruh lost an election and another bruh was running on another ticket with a different platform I didn't agree with.... I'm backing the bruh then I'm going to LEANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN on his ass. I'm talking taking the shield and using it like a saber. Sometimes accessibility, common interest and backgrounds trump the issues. Its all about who can be swayed. Maybe I'm thinking like a lobbyist right now. :shrugs: You're assuming that your LEANNNNNNNING will make a difference. Maybe it will..Maybe it won't. Depends on how much clout you as an individual have. |
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Post by ACES on Aug 29, 2008 12:55:29 GMT -5
Seriously though what other choice did he have. Personally I think he shouldve picked JC Watts. Chit wouldve been VERY VERY interesting watts or Rice. Rice would've COMPLETELY fucked the game up had she been interested! bottom line: there was NO ONE he could add to his ticket to give him the bump he needs to stay competitive with O. McSame is this 85 NE pats gettin' ready to play the bears in the SB. There's NO ONE that can help. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 12:57:12 GMT -5
Okay thats you. Me if a Bruh lost an election and another bruh was running on another ticket with a different platform I didn't agree with.... I'm backing the bruh then I'm going to LEANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN on his ass. I'm talking taking the shield and using it like a saber. Sometimes accessibility, common interest and backgrounds trump the issues. Its all about who can be swayed. Maybe I'm thinking like a lobbyist right now. :shrugs: You're assuming that your LEANNNNNNNING will make a difference. Maybe it will..Maybe it won't. Depends on how much clout you as an individual have. LOL Politics 101. As long as money is involved you can lean and make a difference. Voters don't do chit. The lobbyist with money from special interest groups do. Anybody can be swayed and everyone has a price ESPECIALLY if it will help there constituents. Example: Give us a tax break and we will pour millions in your community for new business and jobs. Its easy man. Everyone has a price. Thats why politics is a joke. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Aug 29, 2008 12:57:45 GMT -5
If Barack loss the primary and McCain picked Clarence Thomas aint no way in hell black folks would support that and he black as tar..
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 29, 2008 12:59:30 GMT -5
You're assuming that your LEANNNNNNNING will make a difference. Maybe it will..Maybe it won't. Depends on how much clout you as an individual have. LOL Politics 101. As long as money is involved you can lean and make a difference. Voters don't do chit. The lobbyist with money from special interest groups do. Anybody can be swayed and everyone has a price ESPECIALLY if it will help there constituents. Example: Give us a tax break and we will pour millions in your community for new business and jobs. Its easy man. Everyone has a price. Thats why politics is a joke. Yeah, I agree with you. That's why I said it depends on how much clout you have as an individual. If you are the average American with no special interest groups backing you, then it will make no difference. But if you have those special interest groups behind you and the monetary clout to go with it, then your leaning will make a difference. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 13:00:48 GMT -5
If an Alpha and an Omega are running for a position and the Alpha lost, I would not necessarily back the new Alpha just because he is an Alpha...especially if his platform is one I don't agree with. If the Omega is more in line with what I agree with than my Alpha brother, then I would vote for the Omega. It would be like saying that a black person is running against a white person and I am backing the black person. Then he/she loses and another black person is running but I don't agree with his/her platform. I wouldn't back that person just because they are black. As far as Palin's looks go, she ain't all that. I see better looking white women all the time. Okay thats you. Me if a Bruh lost an election and another bruh was running on another ticket with a different platform I didn't agree with.... I'm backing the bruh then I'm going to LEANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN on his ass. I'm talking taking the shield and using it like a saber. Sometimes accessibility, common interest and backgrounds trump the issues. Its all about who can be swayed. Maybe I'm thinking like a lobbyist right now. :shrugs:
McCain is basically saying - I have a woman on my ticket - she has the least amount of experience of all of us, she stands against most of what you think is important, but she's a woman... so now your vote is for me.
If you all don't think that's insulting - change out the word woman for African American and see if it resonates for you. Republicans weakness is that they think everyone else in the world thinks like them. They see the world through groups and categories and assume everyone else does.
The same reason they have been alleging that the ONLY reason black people have been supporting Barack because he's black is the same reason why they believe women will vote for McCain because he has Palin on the ticket. For them issues don't matter - it's caricatures, sound bytes, and stage craft. It doesn't even occur to them that we seriously care about issues.
It's the reason why I DIDN'T vote for Michael Steele when he ran for Senate - even though he's black and his opponent is white. If McCain had somehow selected Colin Powell - then yeah - you have a barn burner ticket and no one would deny it.
But less than 2 years Palin? No way. Gimmick. And I think (just MO) that women are going to be insulted by it -the same way I'd be insulted if Barack had lost and then to try to win votes (not speak to issues - but to win votes) McCain selected Alan Keyes as his running mate.
He miscalculated on this one in my opinion. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 13:02:45 GMT -5
If Barack loss the primary and McCain picked Clarence Thomas aint no way in hell black folks would support that and he black as tar.. LOL in this instance i'd have to disagree. If Hillary wouldve won by seating Florida and Mich and looking at the divisive tactics they were using based on race believe it or not... Black folks wouldve voted for a Mccain/Thomas ticket |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 13:05:10 GMT -5
If Barack loss the primary and McCain picked Clarence Thomas aint no way in hell black folks would support that and he black as tar.. LOL in this instance i'd have to disagree. If Hillary wouldve won by seating Florida and Mich and looking at the divisive tactics they were using based on race believe it or not... Black folks wouldve voted for a Mccain/Thomas ticket |
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Post by RadiantRose on Aug 29, 2008 13:07:02 GMT -5
Folks been posting on OO longer than she's been govenor LOL!
Biden's gonna mop the floor with her during the debates. But that was a smooth move on McCan't's part.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 13:09:37 GMT -5
Okay thats you. Me if a Bruh lost an election and another bruh was running on another ticket with a different platform I didn't agree with.... I'm backing the bruh then I'm going to LEANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN on his ass. I'm talking taking the shield and using it like a saber. Sometimes accessibility, common interest and backgrounds trump the issues. Its all about who can be swayed. Maybe I'm thinking like a lobbyist right now. :shrugs:
McCain is basically saying - I have a woman on my ticket - she has the least amount of experience of all of us, she stands against most of what you think is important, but she's a woman... so now your vote is for me.
If you all don't think that's insulting - change out the word woman for African American and see if it resonates for you. Republicans weakness is that they think everyone else in the world thinks like them. They see the world through groups and categories and assume everyone else does.
The same reason they have been alleging that the ONLY reason black people have been supporting Barack because he's black is the same reason why they believe women will vote for McCain because he has Palin on the ticket. For them issues don't matter - it's caricatures, sound bytes, and stage craft. It doesn't even occur to them that we seriously care about issues.
It's the reason why I DIDN'T vote for Michael Steele when he ran for Senate - even though he's black and his opponent is white. If McCain had somehow selected Colin Powell - then yeah - you have a barn burner ticket and no one would deny it.
But less than 2 years Palin? No way. Gimmick. And I think (just MO) that women are going to be insulted by it -the same way I'd be insulted if Barack had lost and then to try to win votes (not speak to issues - but to win votes) McCain selected Alan Keyes as his running mate.
He miscalculated on this one in my opinion. If it were true what you were stating then the lobbyist game would be naught. Who you are is what will sway you. Public Opinion is EVERYTHING in politics. Lobbyist use tactics that tug at the heart of the public official. For instance... Look at the hecklers with the What about the Black Community Obama banners. If he didn't give a fuck he wouldve brushed it off. In the eye of the public Opinion he might have taken a hit. He had to address it. He had to answer. The same tactics that we use in the frat are the same tactics that are used in Washington but to the 1,000th power. Money Sex Drugs Businesses all come into play. Give us this and we will give you that. Usually its something that will make the public official look good on the outside but what he helps pass will fuck people in the long run. This is American Politics. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 13:17:33 GMT -5
Seriously though what other choice did he have. Personally I think he shouldve picked JC Watts. Chit wouldve been VERY VERY interesting watts or Rice. Rice would've COMPLETELY fucked the game up had she been interested! bottom line: there was NO ONE he could add to his ticket to give him the bump he needs to stay competitive with O. McSame is this 85 NE pats gettin' ready to play the bears in the SB. There's NO ONE that can help. Colin Powell would've been excellent. Don't think they could coexist though. JC Watts was the perfect choice. He is black and is also a conservative. He is charismatic but also has experience on the issues. Mccain Lacks charisma. He is losing because of association and doesn't know how to wiggle out of it. Think about it. When Reagan was in office mofo was fucked up. Gas was high. Food was high. Crime was high. Dope was everywhere. Scandals. But this mofo was charismatic as hell and STILL made white America and some black folks happy to be Americans. Politics is like getting pussy. If you speak right you will get to fuck everytime regardless of the circumstances. The 8 years Reagan was in office it was far farrrrrr worse than it is now and his Approval rating was sky high. Yanno why? Because that mofo knew how to speak to the people. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Aug 29, 2008 13:21:41 GMT -5
The Palins' five children are Track, 19; Bristol 17; Willow 14; Piper, 7, and baby Trig.
Track???
Baby Trig???
Yall know what I wanna say... but will refrain
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Post by ACES on Aug 29, 2008 13:23:06 GMT -5
watts or Rice. Rice would've COMPLETELY fucked the game up had she been interested! bottom line: there was NO ONE he could add to his ticket to give him the bump he needs to stay competitive with O. McSame is this 85 NE pats gettin' ready to play the bears in the SB. There's NO ONE that can help. Colin Powell would've been excellent. Don't think they could coexist though. JC Watts was the perfect choice. He is black and is also a conservative. He is charismatic but also has experience on the issues. Mccain Lacks charisma. He is losing because of association and doesn't know how to wiggle out of it. Think about it. When Reagan was in office mofo was fucked up. Gas was high. Food was high. Crime was high. Dope was everywhere. Scandals. But this mofo was charismatic as hell and STILL made white America and some black folks happy to be Americans. Politics is like getting pussy. If you speak right you will get to fuck everytime regardless of the circumstances. The 8 years Reagan was in office it was far farrrrrr worse than it is now and his Approval rating was sky high. Yanno why? Because that mofo knew how to speak to the people. RE: Reagan and charisma, etc,etc - agreed.... |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 13:26:00 GMT -5
If it were true what you were stating then the lobbyist game would be naught. Who you are is what will sway you. Public Opinion is EVERYTHING in politics. Lobbyist use tactics that tug at the heart of the public official. For instance... Look at the hecklers with the What about the Black Community Obama banners. If he didn't give a fuck he wouldve brushed it off. In the eye of the public Opinion he might have taken a hit. He had to address it. He had to answer. |
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