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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 13:38:12 GMT -5
If it were true what you were stating then the lobbyist game would be naught. Who you are is what will sway you. Public Opinion is EVERYTHING in politics. Lobbyist use tactics that tug at the heart of the public official. For instance... Look at the hecklers with the What about the Black Community Obama banners. If he didn't give a fuck he wouldve brushed it off. In the eye of the public Opinion he might have taken a hit. He had to address it. He had to answer. Yes he did team. He had to speak to them. Just as he had to address Bro Wright and Min Farrakhan. Just as he had to address other issues. If he didn't do that sentiment would've grown from that. I personally think it was a ploy. Yall need to look closely at the Obama Machine. I bet folk haven't looked at the hip hop angle at all. I will say this. Small hip hop acts playing in Venues in states like Nebraska, Montana, North Dakota, Vermont etc all these years have finally paid off. Whether people like it or not... Obama is being seen as a person atleast for black folk that can finally deliver something for us. He may not fix everything but he is seen as a man that has an inherent obligation to the people. I mean find me a speech where he hasn't referenced the poor neighborhoods in the Chi. Obama is tied to black people, women and Latino's just as mccain is tied to conservative white Americans who think he isnt conservative enough. If any of them speak then they both have to say something. Lets no downplay African Americans here. If not for black people getting behind Obama at an astounding on average 85% he would've been Alan Keyes out this hoe. Black folks made him relevant and black folks sway the public. and please don't use Sharpton as a retort. More black folks voted for Kerry than Sharpton. |
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Aug 29, 2008 13:38:17 GMT -5
This was a hail Mary that is for sure.
It was a surprising pick, but he had to do it. Who else could he have won with, Pawlenty, Romney, Lieberman, Jindal? Nope, nope, nope and nope...they are offering more of the same and they are not exciting.
Look at what he has done, no one is talking about Obama's phenomenal speech last night. The buzz is on her, now I don't think he will win. I think when people take a closer look and see that there is very little substance there they will make the wise choice. But he is going after the womens vote and the Hillary voters, again, I don't think it will work, but I understand why he did it.
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Aug 29, 2008 13:39:24 GMT -5
I am sure that Romney is pissed, he has been working hard as a McCain surrogate for months now. For McCain to pick this chick out of nowhere is not going to make any of the other contenders happy.
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Aug 29, 2008 13:44:30 GMT -5
Let me add, I am willing to bet that they made their final decision last night after Obama's speech. They knew they had to do something to shake their campaign up.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 13:44:45 GMT -5
Sarah served as Chairman of Alaska's Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska's most valuable non-renewable resources: oil and gas. She also served on the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission.
Another OIL Crony? Oh HELL No - that is DEFINITELY not what we need in the white house. Hell to the no.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 13:51:52 GMT -5
Yes he did team. He had to speak to them. Just as he had to address Bro Wright and Min Farrakhan. Just as he had to address other issues. If he didn't do that sentiment would've grown from that. Obama is tied to black people, women and Latino's just as mccain is tied to conservative white Americans who think he isnt conservative enough. If any of them speak then they both have to say something. Lets no downplay African Americans here. If not for black people getting behind Obama at an astounding on average 85% he would've been Alan Keyes out this hoe. Black folks made him relevant and black folks sway the public. and please don't use Sharpton as a retort. More black folks voted for Kerry than Sharpton.
Yes Barack has black support - yes alot of it comes from Chicago - but let's be real - Iowa launched his campaign. Black folks weren't on board until the 95% white Iowa caucauses thrusted him forward. Hillary was KILLING Barack among black folks before that win. Let's keep it real - Obama is symbolic to us all - just different ways.
For many white people he represents a change in politics, for many black people he represents a change in social dynamics, for many people Barack represents change in how our country's leaders should be viewed. We don't own Barack. What he represents is MORE than just the symbolism for black people. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 13:56:34 GMT -5
This was a hail Mary that is for sure. It was a surprising pick, but he had to do it. Who else could he have won with, Pawlenty, Romney, Lieberman, Jindal? Nope, nope, nope and nope...they are offering more of the same and they are not exciting. Look at what he has done, no one is talking about Obama's phenomenal speech last night. The buzz is on her, now I don't think he will win. I think when people take a closer look and see that there is very little substance there they will make the wise choice. But he is going after the womens vote and the Hillary voters, again, I don't think it will work, but I understand why he did it.
Yes we are all talking about McCain's pick right now... but that doesn't change the fact that nearly 40 million people tuned in to see Barack. You think that many people are going to tune in to see McCain's speech?
And I would also like to point out that we are talking about McCain's pick because it is so high risk. The Democrats will obviously return the favor of countering the GOP convention but this pick of Palin, wasn't about governance or leadership - it was about pandering. And the more attention it gets and people see that, the worse off the McCain camp is going to be. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 14:00:18 GMT -5
Yes he did team. He had to speak to them. Just as he had to address Bro Wright and Min Farrakhan. Just as he had to address other issues. If he didn't do that sentiment would've grown from that. Obama is tied to black people, women and Latino's just as mccain is tied to conservative white Americans who think he isnt conservative enough. If any of them speak then they both have to say something. Lets no downplay African Americans here. If not for black people getting behind Obama at an astounding on average 85% he would've been Alan Keyes out this hoe. Black folks made him relevant and black folks sway the public. and please don't use Sharpton as a retort. More black folks voted for Kerry than Sharpton.
Yes Barack has black support - yes alot of it comes from Chicago - but let's be real - Iowa launched his campaign. Black folks weren't on board until the 95% white Iowa caucauses thrusted him forward. Hillary was KILLING Barack among black folks before that win. Let's keep it real - Obama is symbolic to us all - just different ways.
For many white people he represents a change in politics, for many black people he represents a change in social dynamics, for many people Barack represents change in how our country's leaders should be viewed. We don't own Barack. What he represents is MORE than just the symbolism for black people. Bruh Hillary was never Killin Barack in the black vote. lol. Iowa primary happened Jan 3. Barack went through the roof when southern white folks in Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina and Georgia were voting for him. I mean he whupped there asses in the Deep South. NOBODY thought he could get the white votes in the deep south. Iowa was really nothing if you ask me and he only picked up one more delegate than Hillary in that state. The numbers don't lie |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 14:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by Julie Art on Aug 29, 2008 14:27:05 GMT -5
But would him being an Alpha mean that he has some of the same values or at the very least some of the same beliefs that another Alpha would have... This woman seems to the "Anti Hillary" and i'm not sure woman are going to buy this.. I ain't going for it! My soror and I was talking about this during lunch. It is like the stratgist said, this is a slap to women everywhere, no matter the color! Hillary stand for something, I have NO idea what this woman stands for, and he thinks just because he goes and pulls a woman out of the pocket and have him run on his ticket as VP and that women everywhere will jump just because we want to get a woman in the White House, well like my soror said, lets take a look at Condi Rice. She was put in a position and did nothing. Whose to say this woman won't do the same? Just because you are the same sex as me doesn't mean you have my best interest at heart. Same goes for race, creed, nationality, etc., etc., etc., even sorority affilation. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 14:29:30 GMT -5
She had the woman vote across the board black and white. Obama always had black men voting and once he put Michelle out front the sistahs came on in. |
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Post by Julie Art on Aug 29, 2008 14:29:35 GMT -5
If Barack loss the primary and McCain picked Clarence Thomas aint no way in hell black folks would support that and he black as tar.. ::DEAD:: I would tell Uncle Tome Clarence to go to hell! And this statement by Reign proves the point I made in the previous post. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 14:32:44 GMT -5
Besides all of that polling they were doing showed to be false once the primarries start. No way someone is up 52 -28 and then lose primaries coming out the gate. The numbers are skewed and the voting proved it. How many primaries were they in 2007.... Exactly
NONE
You forgot Iowa was the first primary in 2008.
<<doesn't trust polls or the media
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 14:37:06 GMT -5
But would him being an Alpha mean that he has some of the same values or at the very least some of the same beliefs that another Alpha would have... This woman seems to the "Anti Hillary" and i'm not sure woman are going to buy this.. I ain't going for it! My soror and I was talking about this during lunch. It is like the stratgist said, this is a slap to women everywhere, no matter the color! Hillary stand for something, I have NO idea what this woman stands for, and he thinks just because he goes and pulls a woman out of the pocket and have him run on his ticket as VP and that women everywhere will jump just because we want to get a woman in the White House, well like my soror said, lets take a look at Condi Rice. She was put in a position and did nothing. Whose to say this woman won't do the same? Just because you are the same sex as me doesn't mean you have my best interest at heart. Same goes for race, creed, nationality, etc., etc., etc., even sorority affilation. Uh lol No politician has your best interest at heart. Its best to get someone in office who you can connect with outside of politics and use that as a tactic to get things passed. Public Opinion is everything in politics. Clarence Thomas can't be used in this convo as he wasn't voted on by the people who was appointed by a President. Lobbying is everything in politics right now. Believe me if there is an issue you want and someone else wants something different who ever connects with and has the most money wins. This is American Politics |
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Post by Julie Art on Aug 29, 2008 14:39:32 GMT -5
Yes he did team. He had to speak to them. Just as he had to address Bro Wright and Min Farrakhan. Just as he had to address other issues. If he didn't do that sentiment would've grown from that. Obama is tied to black people, women and Latino's just as mccain is tied to conservative white Americans who think he isnt conservative enough. If any of them speak then they both have to say something. Lets no downplay African Americans here. If not for black people getting behind Obama at an astounding on average 85% he would've been Alan Keyes out this hoe. Black folks made him relevant and black folks sway the public. and please don't use Sharpton as a retort. More black folks voted for Kerry than Sharpton.
Yes Barack has black support - yes alot of it comes from Chicago - but let's be real - Iowa launched his campaign. Black folks weren't on board until the 95% white Iowa caucauses thrusted him forward. Hillary was KILLING Barack among black folks before that win. Let's keep it real - Obama is symbolic to us all - just different ways.
For many white people he represents a change in politics, for many black people he represents a change in social dynamics, for many people Barack represents change in how our country's leaders should be viewed. We don't own Barack. What he represents is MORE than just the symbolism for black people. Dammit, see, this right here is why Damie is my Obama for the Ques, LMAO! Totally changed my whole concept about the frat, this man right here. Speak on DamieQue! Obama represents more than just a black man being the 1st president, he represents soooooooooooo much more! |
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Post by Julie Art on Aug 29, 2008 14:43:54 GMT -5
I ain't going for it! My soror and I was talking about this during lunch. It is like the stratgist said, this is a slap to women everywhere, no matter the color! Hillary stand for something, I have NO idea what this woman stands for, and he thinks just because he goes and pulls a woman out of the pocket and have him run on his ticket as VP and that women everywhere will jump just because we want to get a woman in the White House, well like my soror said, lets take a look at Condi Rice. She was put in a position and did nothing. Whose to say this woman won't do the same? Just because you are the same sex as me doesn't mean you have my best interest at heart. Same goes for race, creed, nationality, etc., etc., etc., even sorority affilation. Uh lol No politician has your best interest at heart. Its best to get someone in office who you can connect with outside of politics and use that as a tactic to get things passed. Public Opinion is everything in politics. Clarence Thomas can't be used in this convo as he wasn't voted on by the people who was appointed by a President. Lobbying is everything in politics right now. Believe me if there is an issue you want and someone else wants something different who ever connects with and has the most money wins. This is American Politics Whoever's interests, thoughts, ideas, etc., are more in direct alignment with mine, that is who I'm going for. At the beginning, I was all Hillary 100%. Then I started listening more to Barack and I was kinda on the fence. As time moved on, I converted. So, you can say that for some Vodou, cause some do thing that way, and that is how politics is run, but you can say that for all, because all of America doesn't dwell in Politics, I know I don't cause it's bullcrap. |
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Post by Julie Art on Aug 29, 2008 14:48:49 GMT -5
I ain't going for it! My soror and I was talking about this during lunch. It is like the stratgist said, this is a slap to women everywhere, no matter the color! Hillary stand for something, I have NO idea what this woman stands for, and he thinks just because he goes and pulls a woman out of the pocket and have him run on his ticket as VP and that women everywhere will jump just because we want to get a woman in the White House, well like my soror said, lets take a look at Condi Rice. She was put in a position and did nothing. Whose to say this woman won't do the same? Just because you are the same sex as me doesn't mean you have my best interest at heart. Same goes for race, creed, nationality, etc., etc., etc., even sorority affilation. Uh lol No politician has your best interest at heart. Its best to get someone in office who you can connect with outside of politics and use that as a tactic to get things passed. Public Opinion is everything in politics. Clarence Thomas can't be used in this convo as he wasn't voted on by the people who was appointed by a President. Lobbying is everything in politics right now. Believe me if there is an issue you want and someone else wants something different who ever connects with and has the most money wins. This is American Politics By the way, Clarence can be used in this convo because it's an anology: That is like McCain going to get Thomas to try and split the black vote from Obama just because Clarence is black, is like going to get Palin to split the Hillary voters because she is a woman. Come one now. Really. I just got through talking to some of the women in my office. We are all highly offended. McCain just showed that he to has some of those Good Ol Boy characteristics with this move too. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 14:54:52 GMT -5
Uh lol No politician has your best interest at heart. Its best to get someone in office who you can connect with outside of politics and use that as a tactic to get things passed. Public Opinion is everything in politics. Clarence Thomas can't be used in this convo as he wasn't voted on by the people who was appointed by a President. Lobbying is everything in politics right now. Believe me if there is an issue you want and someone else wants something different who ever connects with and has the most money wins. This is American Politics Whoever's interests, thoughts, ideas, etc., are more in direct alignment with mine, that is who I'm going for. At the beginning, I was all Hillary 100%. Then I started listening more to Barack and I was kinda on the fence. As time moved on, I converted. So, you can say that for some Vodou, cause some do thing that way, and that is how politics is run, but you can say that for all, because all of America doesn't dwell in Politics, I know I don't cause it's bullcrap. Once again... Politics is like getting pussy... If you say the right things you can fuck everytime. I never listen to what politicians have to say. I want find out who is financing them. Where is the money coming from. In the end money makes the decisions. Hell if Bush said during his run up to presidency I'm gonna go into Iraq after we blow up the towers on purpose. Gas is gonna be sky high. No child left behind is a farce and by the way I'm paying mofo to big it up on tv and radio... do you think he wouldve won? lol Open your eyes people and follow that damn money. fuck what a politician says. He is a dollar away from changing his entire course of action. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 15:12:04 GMT -5
Besides all of that polling they were doing showed to be false once the primarries start. No way someone is up 52 -28 and then lose primaries coming out the gate. The numbers are skewed and the voting proved it. How many primaries were they in 2007.... Exactly NONE You forgot Iowa was the first primary in 2008. <<doesn't trust polls or the media 
Bruh you just went from saying the numbers don't lie to - don't trust the numbers. The polling wasn't false... support just changed. Lot's of black people weren't paying Barack any attention until after he won in Iowa.
You say no way someone is up 52 -28 and then loses? Well others would say, no way you're a Senator from NY married to a former President, and have all the DNC infrastructure behind you and you DON'T become the Democratic nominee... but it happened. I gave you more than one poll to show you that all of 2007 Hillary was beating Barack amongst black voters. He wins the Iowa primary and everything changes. It's not that we were getting on the band wagon - we wanted him to do well... just didn't think that he would.
When we realized he was a serious candidate and capable of winning we threw their support behind him - but not before. The numbers don't lie. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 15:14:28 GMT -5
Besides all of that polling they were doing showed to be false once the primarries start. No way someone is up 52 -28 and then lose primaries coming out the gate. The numbers are skewed and the voting proved it. How many primaries were they in 2007.... Exactly NONE You forgot Iowa was the first primary in 2008. <<doesn't trust polls or the media
Bruh you just went from saying the numbers don't lie to - don't trust the numbers. The polling wasn't false... support just changed. Lot's of black people weren't paying Barack any attention until after he won in Iowa.
You say no way someone is up 52 -28 and then loses? Well others would say, no way you're a Senator from NY married to a former President, and have all the DNC infrastructure behind you and you DON'T become the Democratic nominee... but it happened. I gave you more than one poll to show you that all of 2007 Hillary was beating Barack amongst black voters. He wins the Iowa primary and everything changes. It's not that we were getting on the band wagon - we wanted him to do well... just didn't think that he would.
When we realized he was a serious candidate and capable of winning we threw their support behind him - but not before. The numbers don't lie. Yes the number don't lie at the polls. Obviously the gallop chits were a farce. How u up 52-28 and lose out the gate, Cmon you gonna sit up here and try to defend that team? LOL Like how? |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 29, 2008 15:16:35 GMT -5
team the Iowa Primary was the first primary. It happened Jan 3 2008. You making it seem like Hillary was beating Barack and then the Iowa primary came later he won then black folks started voting for him.
NO Barack was busting her ass out the gate because the media's numbers were wrong from the get go. Trying to sway folks like you and I.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 16:24:34 GMT -5
Yes the number don't lie at the polls. Obviously the gallop chits were a farce. How u up 52-28 and lose out the gate, Cmon you gonna sit up here and try to defend that team? LOL Like how?
That's how people felt THEN. How people continue to feel has changed. That's why they keep taking polls... because people's minds change. Obama's numbers went down after Rev. Wright - do you mean to tell me that didn't reflect a general change in people's attitudes? His numbers went back up after he did his historic speech on Race "A More Perfect Union" - are we saying that people's minds didn't change after that?
What helped Obama swing in the polls was that he was a fresh face, he had grass roots, he tapped into the mood of the country, and people got to know him. Before his Iowa win lot's of people thought his candidacy was alot of wishful thinking. We know better than that now don't we? |
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Aug 29, 2008 16:47:12 GMT -5
McCain just killed his "Obama is not experienced enough" Speech.
This chick has only been a Gov. for 2 years and before that a mayor.
McCain just gave away the presidency.
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Post by pinkngreen06 on Aug 29, 2008 17:44:58 GMT -5
Is anyone watching CNN? Jack Cafferty is on the situation room tearing the Republican pundits to shreds over this selection the shit Hilarious!
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 29, 2008 18:39:56 GMT -5
*Smite*
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 29, 2008 18:43:14 GMT -5
That trick's pic took up too much space! LOL!
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 18:43:47 GMT -5
The thought alone is so insulting....as a woman and an American. Goes to show how dumb they think we are...and folks supporting McCain now, are idiots. Maybe before I couldve understood some arguments but now? It's clear that he is not capable of making sound decisions.
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 29, 2008 18:44:58 GMT -5
he shouldve picked Condoleeza if he was trying to win...sh*t OPRAH wouldve been a better pick...SMH.....
Oh these idiots.
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Post by water on Aug 29, 2008 19:03:23 GMT -5
He can win with Gov. Sarah Palin as his VP yea it is just as likely as a black man becoming president  |
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Post by denounced on Aug 29, 2008 19:03:43 GMT -5
I actually thought Condi may be in the mix, but her views on certain issues are not well known. Palin is going to eat up Biden for B, L, and Dinner. Barack better not even dare take a swipe at her, and Meeeeeechelle better know her place. She taxed the oil companies in Alaska?  ?? Is she really on their tip? A woman who gave first props to her husband, right out of the gate. A REAL WOMAN!!!!!!!!!! Here's my take! If Obama wins, we get elated destruction of property, If Obama loses, we get Watts!!!!!!!!!!! |
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?? Is she really on their tip? A woman who gave first props to her husband, right out of the gate. A REAL WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!