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Post by Gee-Are on Feb 25, 2008 11:21:48 GMT -5
If God is perfectly good and holy and righteous...
Is Satan perfectly evil, therefore "perfect" in some way?
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 25, 2008 11:30:14 GMT -5
No.
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Post by Gee-Are on Feb 25, 2008 12:01:42 GMT -5
No...he's not perfectly evil, and the rest of the assumption is false?
or No...even though he's perfectly evil, he's not perfect?
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 25, 2008 12:23:54 GMT -5
Evil is a flaw or a defect, it is a departure from the state of equilibirum (which is good). Thus (at least in my construct) a thing cannot be perfect and evil - as perfection is a state without flaw or defect.
Perhaps it could be said that the devil is aboslutely evil - but not perfect.
Semantics do make a difference in this case.
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Post by Gee-Are on Feb 25, 2008 12:28:03 GMT -5
What is the flaw or defect in Satan's evil?
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Post by Cambist on Feb 25, 2008 13:06:20 GMT -5
Absolute evil, in my construct, is impossible to achieve.
Evil, as I see it, is the degree to which something deviates from God or His INTENT for their creation.
Therefore, storms that destroy hundreds of homes and communities are not evil. Snakes are not evil even when they bite.
The devil is not pure evil. He knows his place and functions within guidelines set forth by God and He cannot operate outside of those parameters. Because of his dependence on Gods existance for his own, he cannot be pure or absolute or PERFECT evil.
Absolute evil is impossible because it would have to be totally absent of, totally independent of and have no dependence on God for it's existance or action.
My quick opinion. I could be wrong but I just wanted to say something. LOL!
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 25, 2008 13:09:02 GMT -5
The evil itself is the defect. Asking can Satan be pefect in his evil to me is like asking can a pedophile be perfect in his pedophilia.
You are loathed to even imagine how it could be true. What you are going to end up arguing is relative perfection and not absolute perfection.
Perfecting a flaw is, at best, a relative perfection. It's only applicable within a narrow context. Remove the context and the pefection disappears.
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Post by Cambist on Feb 25, 2008 13:11:47 GMT -5
Exactly..
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Post by jay0heavenly on Feb 25, 2008 13:11:57 GMT -5
<===Agrees With Cam and Damie
<===Wishes I said it first
<===Wanted to be deep today
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Post by Nupey on Feb 25, 2008 13:13:10 GMT -5
<----Looks at Jay's Siggy...
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Post by jay0heavenly on Feb 25, 2008 13:15:53 GMT -5
 ...you know its hot |
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Post by Nupey on Feb 25, 2008 13:17:55 GMT -5
I wonder what the Bunny is thinking....I mean...seriously....
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Post by jay0heavenly on Feb 25, 2008 13:22:01 GMT -5
he's thinking that he wants to eat the pancakes, but he cannot reach them. Judging by the flare of his whiskers, he is experiencing a passive form of rabbit anxiety called rabbilonitis which is characterized by random acts of eye twitching and biting people in the ankle. <===Definitely made up every word of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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Post by Nupey on Feb 25, 2008 13:22:48 GMT -5
he's thinking that he wants to eat the pancakes, but he cannot reach them. Judging by the flare of his whiskers, he is experiences a passive form of rabbit anxiety called rabbilonitis which is characterized by random acts of eye twitching and biting people in the ankle. <=== Definitely made up every word of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So you've just admitted to lying? |
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Post by jay0heavenly on Feb 25, 2008 13:36:29 GMT -5
nope. I admit to hyperbole |
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Post by water on Feb 25, 2008 14:57:35 GMT -5
Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
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Post by Nupey on Feb 25, 2008 15:01:33 GMT -5
I wonder who is Holier....Water or Jay.....hmmmm....
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Post by water on Feb 25, 2008 15:04:01 GMT -5
The Body of Yahshua is One
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Post by Nupey on Feb 25, 2008 15:13:38 GMT -5
But I wonder who is more powerfull....Like if yall were in a Supernatural battle, who's bible would be bigger?
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Post by water on Feb 25, 2008 15:41:17 GMT -5
It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
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Post by Nupey on Feb 25, 2008 15:42:32 GMT -5
What are you talking about Water? Your not God...
I was asking if you and jay got in a fight, who would win...LAME
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Post by water on Feb 25, 2008 15:45:14 GMT -5
greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world
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Post by jay0heavenly on Feb 25, 2008 16:20:24 GMT -5
Jesus wins |
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Post by Cambist on Feb 25, 2008 18:08:06 GMT -5
I can't tempt God. What could I possibly have that I could use to tempt God?
Think of it this way.. I can't be tempted with Chitlins. Why? Cause them shits is disgusting! So you coming up to me saying that you will give me a whole trough of chitlins if I just..... if useless.
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Post by water on Feb 25, 2008 18:52:27 GMT -5
if you feed someone who is hungry you just fed God...likewise to the negative....
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Post by akbarjones on Feb 26, 2008 9:37:51 GMT -5
To be honest you can't even put Satan and perfection in the same sentence unless you state he was and is jealous of God's perfection.
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Post by denounced on Feb 27, 2008 6:00:12 GMT -5
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 27, 2009 13:32:35 GMT -5
Just for the sake of Debate.... Yes Satan is perfectly Evil. When you deal in absolutes or opposites only the derivative can be used not how you got to it. Basically if something is against "God" no matter if they agree on somethings here and there you are against the absolute. Therefore if you are against the absolute then you are no absolute. If you are against perfection then you are imperfect. If you seek to destroy your opposite the fact that your goal has no bounderies allows you to be perfect if your aim.
So yes Satan is Perfect.
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Post by huey on Apr 27, 2009 13:42:41 GMT -5
You said If you are against perfection then you are imperfect. So that means Satan is imperfect.
And by your logic is seems anything that is against God is perfect.
How about this.
only God is perfect.
God is perfectly good and God is perfectly evil. If something is able to be perfect at something, then that means God isn't perfect. If there's someone that is perfectly compassionate, perfectly righteous, perfectly etc. Then that means God is 2nd perfect compassionate, 2nd perfect righteous,etc. If thats the case why need God?
other point is
There is not devil
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 27, 2009 13:48:35 GMT -5
You said If you are against perfection then you are imperfect. So that means Satan is imperfect. And by your logic is seems anything that is against God is perfect. How about this. only God is perfect. God is perfectly good and God is perfectly evil. If something is able to be perfect at something, then that means God isn't perfect. If there's someone that is perfectly compassionate, perfectly righteous, perfectly etc. Then that means God is 2nd perfect compassionate, 2nd perfect righteous,etc. If thats the case why need God? other point is There is not devil Well I'm staying within the bounds of the topic. If you have an Opposite it has to be absolute to be an opposite. Straw man here What is the opposite of Day.... Night is. Complete opposite. What is the opposite of Heads? Tails complete opposite. So when you have something that is the complete opposite then it is perfect within its construct. |
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