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Post by FULLOFME on May 5, 2008 14:37:56 GMT -5
I see where you are coming from Search but think about it this way...because values have shifted and self responsibility is almost non-existent, we really need to be careful with having them look outside of themselves for answers because it really could be a disservice...I don't sugar coat anything with my clients and when they come to me speaking that government conspiracy theology I am very quick to remind them that they as long as they can't read they pose no threat to anyone so they shouldn't even worry about the government until they can read what the government is saying and not bank on second hand information...I see your point that all of the issues need to be addressed but because our people are in such a dire situation, we need to make sure that information is not being used as a crutch...
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Post by No Screen Name on May 5, 2008 14:39:43 GMT -5
Come on Reign you know I aint even carrying it like that with you man. Look at what I said dude. I never disagreed that we need to do better. My whole thing is that in order to do better you need to address every aspect of the problem or else you are only putting band aid on it. For some reason that is lost on a lot of you. Never once did I say we shouldn't address or correct our actions but I also gave examples of why correcting actions is only part of the solution. Searchin--I, for one, AGREE with most of what you are saying! However, like *I* pointed out, it's 50/50. EVEN IF society magically changes overnight, and racism is no longer a problem, and all of the tricks/stumbling blocks that held is back in the past are magically lifted, if *WE* do not address the places where *WE* sometimes fall short, we will still be left behind. What would happen if ALL of the parents who had children in poorly-funded, substandard schools all banded together and said, "Eff it. We have raggedy schools. But my kids are STILL going to do their assignments, listen in class, I'm going to be on the teacher to challenge my kids, and we're going to museums and libraries in our free time to supplement what they learn in school. At home, we're not watching BET or anything else. In fact, I'm getting rid of cable". What do you think would happen? Notice: I am *NOT* saying we should be satisfied with substandard schools, and not put pressure on the powers that be to provide quality education. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 5, 2008 14:46:15 GMT -5
Notice: I am *NOT* saying we should be satisfied with substandard schools, and not put pressure on the powers that be to provide quality education. and neither am I .. I'm saying let's make sure our kids are attending school regularly and behaving in class while we are putting pressure on the powers that be. |
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 14:51:04 GMT -5
I can get with that...that is all I was saying.
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on May 5, 2008 20:17:04 GMT -5
Hey Search. Man all I can say is that you are one on-point brotha. I totally agree with everything you have said.
People need to look at the WHOLE situation. As a government employee, the system is screwed up. I don't have to do research or go by what someone says because I'm in it.
For anyone who says its not a conspiriacy, its a damn lie. If a family is working or going to school or married and both parents working, their assistance is cut drastically or eliminated.
But stay home and do NOTHING, you get ALL the services. Intergration was the worst thing that happened to our people. These government programs have played a big part in the break up of our families, not saying its all the government fault (because some of it is our own).
But being on the inside seeing this shyt everyday and to listen to high class negros like cos paint black folks with a broad brush pisses me off with his lying, cheating, drugging girls to have sex azz.
I mentor a girls group and my husband mentors a boys group. I just brought my girls back from a three day trip out of town this past weekend. Folks need to give back and get off their high horses.
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 22:01:16 GMT -5
Thanks DSD. Its lonely on this island sometimes. ;D
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Post by LejaOMG on May 5, 2008 22:16:38 GMT -5
not this blowhard, again...
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 22:20:46 GMT -5
LOL I'mma come deal with you soon enough. Just wait.
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Post by LejaOMG on May 5, 2008 22:58:06 GMT -5
I was talkin about The Cos' ol arse. You got somethin else u wanna tell me?
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Post by Search1906 on May 6, 2008 8:37:17 GMT -5
Oh. LOL....Nevermind.  LOL |
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Post by Nupey on May 6, 2008 9:04:11 GMT -5
<----Wonders how many Millions Search has donated to Morehouse and Tuskegee to keep them from going Bankrupt.
<---Wonders if he knew Dr King cheated on Corretta
<---Knows everyone has flaws, but that doesnt make anything they say, less important
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Post by Search1906 on May 6, 2008 9:23:10 GMT -5
Dude money does not solve all ills. You will find that out as you get older. Not trying to play the age card but its true. Writing a check is nice but sowing into lives and actually doing more than swiping your pen is where its at.
yeah I knew that. The FBI has more tapes of him having sex than of him having convos about the movement and making plans. :smh: You point? We are all flawed but I am talking about how Bill is calling people out with a flaw message and then following it up with deviant behavior. MLK got in the trenches, went to jail and challenged the establishment as well as his people while he was doing dirt. There is a difference man.
I don't think you want to debate me on this one man. You will lose. LOL
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Post by Nupey on May 6, 2008 9:33:01 GMT -5
Dude money does not solve all ills. You will find that out as you get older. Not trying to play the age card but its true. Writing a check is nice but sowing into lives and actually doing more than swiping your pen is where its at. yeah I knew that. The FBI has more tapes of him having sex than of him having convos about the movement and making plans. :smh: You point? We are all flawed but I am talking about how Bill is calling people out with a flaw message and then following it up with deviant behavior. MLK got in the trenches, went to jail and challenged the establishment as well as his people while he was doing dirt. There is a difference man. I don't think you want to debate me on this one man. You will lose. LOL
But we can see the EVIDENCE of what he's done for the community. Merley having a show like he had in the 80's broke the typical sterotype of the African American family. With BET today you can AT LEAST look back and respect what the man has done especially with ignorant shows like "Good Times" playing stereotyping our people.
I hate people that sit back, high and mighty, and just roast people for trying to Shed light on some Issues. He wrote checks that his @$$ COULD cash and so could Tuskegee and Morehouse. I could care less about what he did in his personal time. If the FBI had something ILLEGAL, then he'd be in Jail just like OJ, They LOVE getting us right? |
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Post by FULLOFME on May 6, 2008 10:01:42 GMT -5
Question...for those who Cos' statement could apply to, what will help them more...
encouraging them to take their own 1st steps
OR
unveiling and encouraging the government to withdraw their conspiracies
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Post by Search1906 on May 6, 2008 10:19:27 GMT -5
Full please don't tell me you think Cos' rhetoric is encouragement?
Nupey Have you even read my post? :smh:
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Post by FULLOFME on May 6, 2008 10:28:01 GMT -5
Of course not, I know that he is "out of touch" but I see where he is coming from...that question is to those of us who are actually working with the people he could be talking to....
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Post by Search1906 on May 6, 2008 10:47:29 GMT -5
Of course not, I know that he is "out of touch" but I see where he is coming from...that question is to those of us who are actually working with the people he could be talking to.... I know of what he speaks and there is a problem within our community. No one disputes that but you said he is out of touch which was my whole premise from the start. How effective do you think his message has been? |
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Post by FULLOFME on May 6, 2008 11:00:27 GMT -5
I think his message is effective to those of us who are in postions to decipher through his pompous lingo but I just don't think he is 100% off the mark. What he is saying is not new to me though, I have worked with homeless teens for the past 5 years and I can't recall 1 who what he is saying doesn't apply to. To me our people are losing our own sense of value and pride and that is why I am careful to not have them look outside of themselves and to be self sufficient as possible so that they can realize their own value.
I think he is "out of touch" socially meaning the vehicle in which he is using to get his point across will not be well received by those he is intending it for and if he took the time to work with any of them first hand he would know that.
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Post by Search1906 on May 6, 2008 12:15:01 GMT -5
I think his message is effective to those of us who are in postions to decipher through his pompous lingo but I just don't think he is 100% off the mark. What he is saying is not new to me though, I have worked with homeless teens for the past 5 years and I can't recall 1 who what he is saying doesn't apply to. To me our people are losing our own sense of value and pride and that is why I am careful to not have them look outside of themselves and to be self sufficient as possible so that they can realize their own value. I think he is "out of touch" socially meaning the vehicle in which he is using to get his point across will not be well received by those he is intending it for and if he took the time to work with any of them first hand he would know that. Full my point is if these people are what he says they are do you really think they are equipped to decipher his pompous lingo? I would say know which still leaves the problem that requires alternative approaches. I can come at you and yell and say T_ your hair is jacked up and your clothes a deheaveled...WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING ABOUT. Most people would get a little defensive and ask why I am putting you on front street or I can come to you and say you look to be in a sad state of affairs let me help you and helping you get your do straight and fix your clothes. The approach is important. I'm not saying baby folks because some people need foot to their arse but at the appropriate time. Trying to drop the hammer on people all day everyday is not an effective way to make change. |
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Post by FULLOFME on May 6, 2008 13:06:30 GMT -5
no THEY are not equipped re-read my post lol
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Post by Search1906 on May 6, 2008 13:14:21 GMT -5
My bad e-twin I was rushing. LOL
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on May 6, 2008 20:38:09 GMT -5
Of course not, I know that he is "out of touch" but I see where he is coming from...that question is to those of us who are actually working with the people he could be talking to.... I'll answer. Stop the conspiracies of the government. Ya'll are looking on the outside in. As I have already stated earlier, many times the government discourages family unity by providing MORE assistance to those who do nothing and LESS to NO assistance for those who try to do something. Let me ask this question since people like Cos feel like black folks need to always pull themselves up. How many of you could have gone to college WITHOUT government assistance? (Pell grants, state grants, stafford loans, sallie mae, dept of education, HOPE grants) all government issued or backed assistance. So everybody give back the money to the government and pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps and finance your own way through college  Isn't that what Cos is saying?  |
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Post by coldfront06 on May 6, 2008 21:17:34 GMT -5
No, thats not what he's saying. Going out and getting that money is part of pulling yourself up. You're not going to get money for college by sitting on your ass! You have to at least make the effort to apply, and keep your grades up. And I also wouldn't have been able to make it through college without my academic scholarship...which I had to maintain a 3.0 to keep. Cosby is talking about the people who make no effort to do anything...and there are alot of people in that category.
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on May 6, 2008 21:30:55 GMT -5
That is what Cos is saying. Its a double standard. If you got it like that, then give back the government assistance, don't go to a state or public college or university...
Why not just work and pay your way though college that way? Stand on your own too feet. Apply yourself totally on your own, independent of any 'assistance'.
Better yet, if you need help, don't dial 911, take care of the problem yourself. Don't look for the police, EMT or first responders.
Don't send your kids to public school, home school them. Handle it
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Post by Search1906 on May 6, 2008 21:34:52 GMT -5
DSD I like you. ;D
I just love how everyone can decipher what Bill Cosby's message is when he hasn't qualified it. Hell he refuses to. He said what he said and basically has said tough to anyone who doesn't agree because he meant what he said which was accompanied by no qualifiers or exceptions. :smh:
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on May 6, 2008 21:48:08 GMT -5
Its cool. I like you too LOL I guess I've been on the inside for too long. Before I graduated college, I interned at the Dept of Family and Children Services and have been working in various capacities with the federal, state and now local government for a very very long time.
If folks don't think that the government has a conspiracy against us, they have totally forgotten about Katrina. I guess Cos thinks it's the people of the gulf coast's fault that Katrina happened and the people's fault that they couldn't help themselves and pull themselves up and out from the Super Dome and get to safety.
I guess its the old lady's fault here in Atlanta that she was killed due to a bogus no-knock warrant from the police because she lived in a 'bad' neighborhood. I guess she should have pulled her self up and moved out of that neighborhood although she live there all her life.
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Post by Search1906 on May 6, 2008 21:50:33 GMT -5
Preach!!! ;D
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Post by coldfront06 on May 6, 2008 21:52:07 GMT -5
LOL...just like its "the man's" fault when Tyrone stays home from work 5 consecutive days without calling and is fired. Yep...he was fired because he's black.
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Post by Search1906 on May 6, 2008 21:57:59 GMT -5
Cold I think everyone agrees if you do triflin stuff like that then you get what you deserve but when you paint poor people as a whole as shiftless, lazy and unmotivated you are not rooted in reality. There a more people in poverty in the US now than ever before and alot of it directly related to the policies or lack thereof set by the government. Look at the amount of working poor we have that have to choose between eating and paying light bills.
All races have triflin folks and its a forgone conclusion that stuff like that needs to stop but I think Bill needs to stop believing the hype that the majority of people collecting welfare are black. That isn't the truth. Hell even 60 minutes has exposed the amount of white folks using loopholes and fraud to get welfare, SSI and other government handouts. Also black folks don't have the market cornered on ignorance or deviant behavior despite popular belief. We need to do better but as a people we need to be more civic minded and involved. Thus my stance on approaching our plight not only from the inside but also dealing with external forces.
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on May 6, 2008 22:00:35 GMT -5
Just like a black man can be shot and killed multiple times (mind you the cops reloaded) for no reason and the cops get off without so much as a slap on the wrist
But dirty old white men and priests molest children and either never go to jail or get out in 12 months and move in your neighborhood to do it all over again (but don't call the police now, handle it)
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LOL
Isn't that what Cos is saying?