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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 12:20:48 GMT -5
We can't blame others before we look at our own actions. E X A C T L Y.. Cos isn't talking about poor health care and lack of system education.. he is talking about damn home training... Once again you guys are fast forwarding in engineering we deal with root cause not just the symptoms or effect. You need to go back and research how all this happened. Look at the degradation of the black family and what were the causes and then come back and talk to me. You cats are talking about treating cancer without doing the biopsy to find out where it is in the body. |
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Post by FULLOFME on May 5, 2008 12:23:44 GMT -5
I work in the "trenches" and Cos is on the mark. Though our past and racism puts us at a disadvantage, I see day in and day out OUR people not applying themselves at a fraction of their potential. I do agree that outside factors influence our ability to excel but to me you shouldn't rest your hat on that until you have done EVERYTHING you can to make things better for you andyours...
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 12:24:45 GMT -5
The only justice in the Sean Bell case will be a million-dollar settlement.
They are trying to get the feds to look into it like they did for one of the other cases (I think it was the Diallo case).
On the other hand, niggas know that the cops are out to get them! If you are in the NFL making millions, why not use your money to open a movie theatre on the south side or do some real estate development? That way, you can give your criminal friends legit jobs AND make money the legal way?? Lady there will be no justice in that case...Money doesn't bring him back. Holding people accountable and stopping this mess from happening instead of covering ish up would be a start. As a dude who's never been arrested or anything I've been stopped, harrassed and accosted by the cops growing up and in my adult life for merely driving or being in my own darn neighborhood. Tell me how that is my fault. Mind you I hold a TS clearance, have good credit, have a degree, have a good job, dress neat and presentable, etc. My crime is what? I think you need to ponder that because I'm not the only one who fits this bill experiencing this mess. Do you guys read the paper or listen to outside sources of news? If so you'd know this ish. :smh: |
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 12:27:01 GMT -5
E-twin. As I've said we have work to do just like any other group but its only part of the problem. You can address those issues and still will fall short in the present day climate. I think folks are being short sided. You must hold government and officials accountable while policing yourselves. I think some of you think I am saying that we should sit back and just let other people solve our issues. I'm not saying that but I will say you can't just say people need to do better without holding all parties accountable. I think people just don't have the balls to do so.
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 5, 2008 12:27:43 GMT -5
LOL Search .. we are not.. we are saying okay things are messed up, and its been messed up since the beginning.. so WE need to get OURSELVES together and WE are going to START with correcting the ill things WE do ..starting NOW...
hell if we take your route it will be another 2000 years and we will still come up with the conclusion that its from the affects of slavery and the media... WE KNOW THIS .. so lets go ahead and take the steps to correct the foolishness.. it starts with the basics.. stop calling eachother nigga.. boys pull your pants up.. momma watch your damn kids... expose kids to college at a young age.. YES that shit is step 1
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 12:30:49 GMT -5
You think? You may want to know if you are cosigning. This clown hasn't said all that. He said black folks are lazy and uneducated and its all there fault and I make no apology for saying. He is unapologetic and absolute. Go back and research what he's said. SHEEP!!!! I'm not reading between anything you postulated on something that hasn't come out of dudes mouth. I quoted you directly. See the difference? I tend to look at the whole picture. Black folks need to parent there kids and get more involved in schooling. There needs to be a partnership. If you go to the Ask a assistant Principal thread you see my views laid out on that. That being said Government needs to stop misappropriating our tax dollars, stop lining the pockets of the rich and stop covering up for corruption at the expense of people of color. And you have a problem with that? I find that interesting. |
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 12:33:27 GMT -5
LOL Search .. we are not.. we are saying okay things are messed up, and its been messed up since the beginning.. so WE need to get OURSELVES together and WE are going to START with correcting the ill things WE do ..starting NOW... hell if we take your route it will be another 2000 years and we will still come up with the conclusion that its from the affects of slavery and the media... WE KNOW THIS .. so lets go ahead and take the steps to correct the foolishness.. it starts with the basics.. stop calling eachother nigga.. boys pull your pants up.. momma watch your damn kids... expose kids to college at a young age.. YES that shit is step 1 If that were the case then why do you all have opposition to what I said about 360 degree accountability? If you going to solve a problem you solve the whole thing. When you were in college I'm sure you didn't just do parts 1 and 2 of a 4 part problem did you? No you did the whole thing correct. that's my point you need to solve the problem as a whole which means you have to examine all parts and that clown hasn't while giving a lot of lip service, offering surface and superficial solutions while risking nothing to change things. |
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Post by FULLOFME on May 5, 2008 12:36:08 GMT -5
E-twin. As I've said we have work to do just like any other group but its only part of the problem. You can address those issues and still will fall short in the present day climate. I think folks are being short sided. You must hold government and officials accountable while policing yourselves. I think some of you think I am saying that we should sit back and just let other people solve our issues. I'm not saying that but I will say you can't just say people need to do better without holding all parties accountable. I think people just don't have the balls to do so. I see where you are coming from e-twin and I just don't think that is the aspect or starting point that Cos is intending to address...I think that he is speaking directly to Ray Ray and them who stand in front of my job all day and then at the end of the day ask me " can I go with you"  There is nothing the government can do about Ray Ray and his lack of common sense and motivation. Ray Ray's problem is within his self and until he figures out that standing outside all day at the age of 24 is not a good look, there is nothing that any of us can do. Ray Ray can even start with simpy staying in the house all day at least at that point he is showing a little pride...that's a start and a hell of a lot better than having him standing on the block and not being able to fathom that his thoughts of people thinking they are better than him is actually him not thinking much of himself to start with...Ray Ray and many others can do better and they know it... |
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Post by Champs Elysees on May 5, 2008 12:36:19 GMT -5
I know that nothing will bring Sean Bell back. I just know that the end result will be a civil suit.
Mike Vick is in prison because he is a dumbass. Period.
My brother, too, has been harassed by cops, too, but he knows he Public Enemy No. 1 and like you, he is smart enought to stay out of trouble.
Niggas know the system is set up against them and they still make it easy for The Man to get their ass. I DO NOT feel sorry for them. I also came from the hood, but I believe in being RESPONSIBLE for myself and doing what I can to keep from falling into the traps that have been laid out for me.
The train of thought that "The Man is holding us down, we can't do no better" is not helping anything.
When black folks had pride in ourselves and our institutions, we were much better off. People call Cos and his ilk bitter and elitist. I would be bitter if I fought through dyslexia to earn an Ed. D. and make a good life for me and my family and I see niggas with more opportunity and access than ever before fcuk it up! Actually, that shit pisses me off now!
My cousin (who is a spoiled Daddy's girl with a mother in the house) just graduated from FAMU Sunday, two years late. She has a 3-4 year-old and the dumb bitch is pregnant again WITH NO HUSBAND! In this economy! I guess The Man knocked her up! 
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 12:37:17 GMT -5
Yet again I am surrounded by assimilated negroes. Yeah I said it. I got mine so they need to get theirs!! This is the mentality of the new millenium black folk but heaven forbid we get civic minded and fight the battle on all fronts and challenge the gubment. Cat's have no heart.  |
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Post by Nupey on May 5, 2008 12:40:42 GMT -5
Search you sir need to wake up. People need to stop doing stupid isht man! I dont understand how you can justify Leroy going to jail just because a YT person Didnt. He still DID THE CRIME! What does cosby's comments have to do with that? He's saying STOP COMMITTING CRIMES, if you KNOW you could get locked up Longer!
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Post by Robelite on May 5, 2008 12:43:18 GMT -5
I think what Dr. Cosby is saying is that we as black folks have got to start taking responsibility for those things in our communities that we CAN CONTROL. Does racism still exist...of course it does.
But racism is not the fault of our parents allowing too many of our kids to find role models in sports and music videos rather than at home. Racism is not the cause of this foolish code of the "hood," STOP SNITCHIN, even when our own loved ones are being gunned down and assaulted by gangs and violent activity. Racism is not the blame of those within our own communities criticizing and villifying those who choose to do well scholastically and intellectually by teasing them and telling them they're "trynna act white," as if being black and intelligent are antonyms.
Rev. Al Sharpton himself said in an interview about 4 years ago, "We've got to stop equating BLACKNESS with DECADENCE." And what he meant was that we've to put an end to this bullshit mindset that if it all about the negative...or being hood or gaining street cred, then that means it's more "black" than getting an education and supporting our families and our children.
Some things we can blame on racism, but there is a hell of alot going on in our own communities that is the fault of nobody but US!!
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 5, 2008 12:44:20 GMT -5
E-twin. As I've said we have work to do just like any other group but its only part of the problem. You can address those issues and still will fall short in the present day climate. I think folks are being short sided. You must hold government and officials accountable while policing yourselves. I think some of you think I am saying that we should sit back and just let other people solve our issues. I'm not saying that but I will say you can't just say people need to do better without holding all parties accountable. I think people just don't have the balls to do so. I see where you are coming from e-twin and I just don't think that is the aspect or starting point that Cos is intending to address...I think that he is speaking directly to Ray Ray and them who stand in front of my job all day and then at the end of the day ask me " can I go with you" There is nothing the government can do about Ray Ray and his lack of common sense and motivation. Ray Ray's problem is within his self and until he figures out that standing outside all day at the age of 24 is not a good look, there is nothing that any of us can do. Ray Ray can even start with simpy staying in the house all day at least at that point he is showing a little pride...that's a start and a hell of a lot better than having him standing on the block and not being able to fathom that his thoughts of people thinking they are better than him is actually him not thinking much of himself to start with...Ray Ray and many others can do better and they know it... correct there was a time when there was an "energy" in the black race.. we wanted more, we strived for more.... through drugs, jail, rap music (yeah i said it what!), and all these other hinderance we have lost that "energy" and thats what he is referring to. We need that spirit back.. and its going to start with the steps... its basics.. black folks always have problems with the basics.. |
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Post by Champs Elysees on May 5, 2008 12:48:34 GMT -5
Call me an assimilationist! I believe that black people have as much blame as The Man.
How the hell can we march for Sean Bell, and not march for the Haitian woman and her son who were forced to have sex with each other by OTHER BLACKS??
Why aren't we marching for the 300+ blacks who were killed BY OTHER BLACKS in Philly?
Why didn't we take a pilgrimage to New Orleans after Katrina and DEMAND fair treatment for the people of the Gulf Coast?
How can we get the crakas to do anything for us if we don't do anything for ourselves??
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 5, 2008 12:48:48 GMT -5
and you know what.. if I want to get on the happy sauce and tell you negroes what we need to get ourselves together.. hell I have never been arrested in 27 years so that makes me an expert in" staying ya ass" out of trouble .. whether i'm liq up or not...
same with Cos.. he may be greeked up but like Lady said he worked hard to come out of the same conditions we should at least try to apply some of the things he say.
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Post by FULLOFME on May 5, 2008 12:54:55 GMT -5
Search I see where you are coming from but there is an inbreeding of laziness that "parents" (and I use that term losely) are passing on to their kids...Cos' messages does not apply to all of our disadvantaged people and I don't think he thinks that either but take for instance where I work...we house homeless teens for 2 years and line them up to "do better" within those 2 years. Our services and networking is so tight that a phone call can get you in school with little to no documentation, a job with no experience...basically everything is handed to them. On this past Friday we had a young lady who is addicted to something (she says its marijuana but I beg to differ) and the program recommended that she go into treatment immediately in order to maintain her housing and get back on track. SHE MOVED OUT because 90 days of treatment will cut into her summer WTF can any of us do for her when she won't do for herself. and she is a mother of a 1 year old son with 2 earrings in his ear, a new pair of Ones every week and she lives in a SHELTER...there is a lot that she needs to learn and open her eyes and ears too before she can blame the government BUT
the one thing that I will say about our government as it relates to this matter is that we are government funded and it is a violation of our grant to MAKE them do anything constructive (i.e. go to school, get a job), they have a CHOICE and no benchmarks. That I do believe is a government conspiracy and am pretty sure that if we were housing young white kids then a part of our grant obligations and job duties would be to have them reach some type of constructive benchmarks. But even without the government telling us to and the risk of violating the grant and losing funding WE know that it would be a disservice to them to not encourage them to do better so for the young men and women that we service there is team of dedicated, educated black men and women willing to risk their jobs and careers to make you do better. What more can others do to make you get yourself together, it up to YOU to do someting now.
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Post by FULLOFME on May 5, 2008 12:58:35 GMT -5
I see where you are coming from e-twin and I just don't think that is the aspect or starting point that Cos is intending to address...I think that he is speaking directly to Ray Ray and them who stand in front of my job all day and then at the end of the day ask me " can I go with you" There is nothing the government can do about Ray Ray and his lack of common sense and motivation. Ray Ray's problem is within his self and until he figures out that standing outside all day at the age of 24 is not a good look, there is nothing that any of us can do. Ray Ray can even start with simpy staying in the house all day at least at that point he is showing a little pride...that's a start and a hell of a lot better than having him standing on the block and not being able to fathom that his thoughts of people thinking they are better than him is actually him not thinking much of himself to start with...Ray Ray and many others can do better and they know it... correct there was a time when there was an "energy" in the black race.. we wanted more, we strived for more.... through drugs, jail, rap music (yeah i said it what!), and all these other hinderance we have lost that "energy" and thats what he is referring to. We need that spirit back.. and its going to start with the steps... its basics.. black folks always have problems with the basics.. This is so funny because as the weather is breaking, violence tends to increase and me and my co-workers had to shake our heads at ourselves because we sat here wishing the drug dealers were still on the block because when they were, they kept the nonsense factor down because they didn't not want to bring "heat" to the block and with them gone we have a sidewalk full of drug addicts willing to do anything for the next fix with little to no checks and balances and where it really became sad is that over here where I work, you are putting value and stock into the local drug dealer...we need more and have to do better. |
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Post by Bigs on May 5, 2008 13:10:37 GMT -5
I think what Dr. Cosby is saying is that we as black folks have got to start taking responsibility for those things in our communities that we CAN CONTROL. Does racism still exist...of course it does. ........... Some things we can blame on racism, but there is a hell of alot going on in our own communities that is the fault of nobody but US!! GET THIS SAID RIGHT NOW. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 5, 2008 13:22:33 GMT -5
I think what Dr. Cosby is saying is that we as black folks have got to start taking responsibility for those things in our communities that we CAN CONTROL. Does racism still exist...of course it does. ........... Some things we can blame on racism, but there is a hell of alot going on in our own communities that is the fault of nobody but US!! GET THIS SAID RIGHT NOW. Thats all i think he is saying.. |
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Post by No Screen Name on May 5, 2008 13:33:41 GMT -5
Sorry Search...I agree with Cos (and LadyL, et. al). I think a lot of times, we like to focus on the 50% that's someone else's fault. *YES*, racism, poor schools, slavery, drugs planted in our communities, etc. Have had a HUGE impact on African-Americans. But when I see a grown man pull out a bag of weed and smoke it in front of his two-year-old daughter and ten-year-old son, whose fault is that? When people get excited and throw a pregnant 14-year-old a baby shower, whose fault is that? When parents curse and drink and play filthy rap music around their kids, don't take them to the library or buy books or go to the PTA meetings or make sure the homework's done--whose fault is that? Back in the day (1960s and before), we faced even HARDER challenges, had WORSE schools, WORSE racism, but our culture was different. The elders stressed, education, education, EDUCATION. *EVERYBODY* worked. The so-called "hood" was made up of the poor, but it didn't affect how they carried themselves. People had pride and self-respect for themselves. We made SURE we didn't give anybody any ammunition to think that we were ignorant, uneducated, had no home-training, etc. We were cognizant of how we were portrayed in the media. We've lost so much of that. We've spent plenty of time focusing on that other 50%--now let's spend a little time on *US*. |
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Post by No Screen Name on May 5, 2008 13:36:28 GMT -5
Call me an assimilationist! I believe that black people have as much blame as The Man.
How the hell can we march for Sean Bell, and not march for the Haitian woman and her son who were forced to have sex with each other by OTHER BLACKS??
Why aren't we marching for the 300+ blacks who were killed BY OTHER BLACKS in Philly?
Why didn't we take a pilgrimage to New Orleans after Katrina and DEMAND fair treatment for the people of the Gulf Coast?
How can we get the crakas to do anything for us if we don't do anything for ourselves?? GET THAT SAID, LADYL! GET IT SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dunbar Village was a TRAVESTY, and you barely heard a PEEP about it. Do you ever go to www.whataboutourdaughters.com ? |
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Post by Champs Elysees on May 5, 2008 13:41:05 GMT -5
@ Z: That was where I read about Al Sharpton's taking up for the assholes that tortured that woman and her son!
<------- Going back to read more
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 13:51:01 GMT -5
E-twin. As I've said we have work to do just like any other group but its only part of the problem. You can address those issues and still will fall short in the present day climate. I think folks are being short sided. You must hold government and officials accountable while policing yourselves. I think some of you think I am saying that we should sit back and just let other people solve our issues. I'm not saying that but I will say you can't just say people need to do better without holding all parties accountable. I think people just don't have the balls to do so. I see where you are coming from e-twin and I just don't think that is the aspect or starting point that Cos is intending to address...I think that he is speaking directly to Ray Ray and them who stand in front of my job all day and then at the end of the day ask me " can I go with you" There is nothing the government can do about Ray Ray and his lack of common sense and motivation. Ray Ray's problem is within his self and until he figures out that standing outside all day at the age of 24 is not a good look, there is nothing that any of us can do. Ray Ray can even start with simpy staying in the house all day at least at that point he is showing a little pride...that's a start and a hell of a lot better than having him standing on the block and not being able to fathom that his thoughts of people thinking they are better than him is actually him not thinking much of himself to start with...Ray Ray and many others can do better and they know it... Where does everyone get that this is a start for Cosby? He has given no indication that this is step 1 in a movement. He's basically said that his rants are what needs to happen THE END. Maybe I missed something. And he didn't qualify that he was speaking to just Ray Ray. He said YOU in referring to black folk and I stand by to say that not all poor people are uneducated, ill manners and unmotivated. All people in the hood are not on welfare. All people in poverty don't just want a hand out. Please tell me the last time Bill was in the hood just kicking it? How would he know what is going on other than TV. :smh: |
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 13:57:18 GMT -5
You just missed the point its not always about being smart enough to stay out of trouble. Those fools tried to frame my mom(a 30 year federal worker) and I for a drive by shooting. :smh: I give up. Keep living in the fantasy world you all enjoy. Must be nice. BAHHHHH!!!! I know that nothing will bring Sean Bell back. I just know that the end result will be a civil suit.
Mike Vick is in prison because he is a dumbass. Period.
My brother, too, has been harassed by cops, too, but he knows he Public Enemy No. 1 and like you, he is smart enought to stay out of trouble.
Niggas know the system is set up against them and they still make it easy for The Man to get their ass. I DO NOT feel sorry for them. I also came from the hood, but I believe in being RESPONSIBLE for myself and doing what I can to keep from falling into the traps that have been laid out for me.
The train of thought that "The Man is holding us down, we can't do no better" is not helping anything.
When black folks had pride in ourselves and our institutions, we were much better off. People call Cos and his ilk bitter and elitist. I would be bitter if I fought through dyslexia to earn an Ed. D. and make a good life for me and my family and I see niggas with more opportunity and access than ever before fcuk it up! Actually, that shit pisses me off now!
My cousin (who is a spoiled Daddy's girl with a mother in the house) just graduated from FAMU Sunday, two years late. She has a 3-4 year-old and the dumb bitch is pregnant again WITH NO HUSBAND! In this economy! I guess The Man knocked her up! |
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 14:04:32 GMT -5
Sorry Search...I agree with Cos (and LadyL, et. al). I think a lot of times, we like to focus on the 50% that's someone else's fault. *YES*, racism, poor schools, slavery, drugs planted in our communities, etc. Have had a HUGE impact on African-Americans. But when I see a grown man pull out a bag of weed and smoke it in front of his two-year-old daughter and ten-year-old son, whose fault is that? When people get excited and throw a pregnant 14-year-old a baby shower, whose fault is that? When parents curse and drink and play filthy rap music around their kids, don't take them to the library or buy books or go to the PTA meetings or make sure the homework's done--whose fault is that? Back in the day (1960s and before), we faced even HARDER challenges, had WORSE schools, WORSE racism, but our culture was different. The elders stressed, education, education, EDUCATION. *EVERYBODY* worked. The so-called "hood" was made up of the poor, but it didn't affect how they carried themselves. People had pride and self-respect for themselves. We made SURE we didn't give anybody any ammunition to think that we were ignorant, uneducated, had no home-training, etc. We were cognizant of how we were portrayed in the media. We've lost so much of that. We've spent plenty of time focusing on that other 50%--now let's spend a little time on *US*. Ok someone brought up the 60's and back in the day...what happened to change things. Anyone have a clue? Anyone? Probably not and since everyone is so smart research it and then lets come back and talk. :SMH: You all have me convinced that critical thinking, discernment, reading and the like is dead. We have more avenues for information and keeping track of history and even the educated cats don't know the basics of how our community eroded. Unfreakenbelieveable. LOL |
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 5, 2008 14:06:59 GMT -5
Search... we are just tired of the talking, tired of the researching,... its time for ACTION brother.. its time to MOVE... and we gotta start with ourselves... brother please join us
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 14:14:22 GMT -5
Dude join you? I've been in the game for years. I was mentoring, tutoring and volunteering starting in junior high and high school. I just visited 2 high schools in the last few weeks to talk to and mentor kids. I tutor math at my church on Thursdays. I teach Sunday school and in the bible academy. I go back to my old neighborhood which is the HOOD. I serve at the local homeless shelter. Most of all I parent my son to be a complete and productive person and take care of my family. So when you say join ya'll what do you mean? There is no lip service here I am practicing what I preach.
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 5, 2008 14:20:18 GMT -5
Don't get buck homie... if you about it then be about it.. but don't knock folks who are more about correcting our actions than analyzing their origins...
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Post by Search1906 on May 5, 2008 14:30:39 GMT -5
Come on Reign you know I aint even carrying it like that with you man. Look at what I said dude. I never disagreed that we need to do better. My whole thing is that in order to do better you need to address every aspect of the problem or else you are only putting band aid on it. For some reason that is lost on a lot of you. Never once did I say we shouldn't address or correct our actions but I also gave examples of why correcting actions is only part of the solution.
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on May 5, 2008 14:35:49 GMT -5
Just pratice what you preach.
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There is nothing the government can do about Ray Ray and his lack of common sense and motivation. Ray Ray's problem is within his self and until he figures out that standing outside all day at the age of 24 is not a good look, there is nothing that any of us can do. Ray Ray can even start with simpy staying in the house all day at least at that point he is showing a little pride...that's a start and a hell of a lot better than having him standing on the block and not being able to fathom that his thoughts of people thinking they are better than him is actually him not thinking much of himself to start with...Ray Ray and many others can do better and they know it...
