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Post by ace64hearts on Feb 11, 2008 18:28:36 GMT -5
HMMM interesting. I keep hearing that word a lot. Never really heard it much up north but I wonder what causes them to carry that title?!??!
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Post by ace64hearts on Feb 11, 2008 18:29:28 GMT -5
YOU FULL OF IT....
(but Imma keep my comments about you to myself)
HEH
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Post by Nupey on Feb 11, 2008 18:31:29 GMT -5
They carry it because, sororities feel "threatened" by aux orgs so they spread rumors which may or may not be true. They hate the fact that we (frats) give them attention (sometimes more) than them. But really, we dont have an obligation to anyone. The only sorority I can UNDERSTAND getting upset is ZPB, All them other chicks need to fall back. Because honeslty, I've seen Sorority chicks get down JUST LIKE THE REST OF THEM.
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Post by ace64hearts on Feb 11, 2008 18:40:41 GMT -5
YEAH Ive always wondered about that. Being as though Zetas and Sigmas are constitutionally bound and here you have doves....NOW that I question. Its almost as if Zetas and Sigmas are one in the same. With similarities in the organization. By being a dove, you arent representing Phi Beta Sigma on a national, or even regional level, so why not just be a Zeta?!? I guess thats why I wouldnt be a dove (if u wanna cross that one off) LOL so yeah I feel how Zetas would feel some type of way BUT I know a few sigma doves who became Zetasa and I met some Zetas who WERE doves and Ive heard pos/neg feedback from both.
But I dont know why sororities would be threatened by Iota Sweethearts (cause Ive met some to disrespect me to the uttmost degree) and Im like "SINCE WHEN U CARE ABOUT IOTA PHI THETA"?!? What happened to the centaur jokes?? What happened to the new kids on the block jokes?!? LOL now u see they hearts and u feel threatened?!? LOL maybe its cause my jacket is flyy LOL
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Post by konfucius1911 on Feb 11, 2008 18:43:55 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with Sweethearts as long as they have a specific purpose... ... and KNOW to stay in their place. By-the-way, ... to the KKI that jumped in the STROLL*LINE when "Flashlight" was being played at the end of the Kappa-Party: YES ! It was I that clipped you at the knees; and made you look up from the dance floor after you fell.  I respect KKIs as long as they respect my frat. You may wear the name "Kappa Diamond"; but you DO NOT possess the Diamond, nor have ANY rights to it. |
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Post by Nupey on Feb 11, 2008 18:44:43 GMT -5
I'on know, but that seems to be the trend. If you could read the old OO Post about this subject, you wouldn't believe what some of these chicks said about aux's. I was one of the only dudes standing up for aux's. The deltas even created a SEPERATE thread hating on them further...I'm like this, worry about the Miaka'as and delta gents, leave the sweets to us.
:shrugs:
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Post by Nupey on Feb 11, 2008 18:45:50 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with Sweethearts as long as they have a specific purpose... ... and KNOW to stay in their place. By-the-way, ... to the KKI that jumped in the STROLL*LINE when "Flashlight" was being played at the end of the Kappa-Party: YES ! It was I that clipped you at the knees; and made you look up from the dance floor after you fell. I respect KKIs as long as they respect my frat. You may wear the name "Kappa Diamond"; but you DO NOT possess the Diamond, nor have ANY rights to it. |
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Post by ace64hearts on Feb 11, 2008 18:52:57 GMT -5
But see Iota Sweets we partywalk with our frat...like thats not even a question. We're family...and we stroll with our brothers no matter where u go national whatever....they centaur walk, we do our little teddy bear walk, its love but thats whats so special about our bond. We go with they flow. One thing we DONT do we dont step and never will we wear numbers on our paraphernalia. Like u would never see an Iota Sweet with a big ass 8" #2 on her back or somethin lol never gonna fly. But see these are guidelines that are set in place before she even becomes a heart. Now i may put ace on my collar or somethin like that, or like at the bottom of my jacket, I got 7 gold hearts (for my LSs) and the first heart is red cause Imma ace...the picture and the color is self explanatory look and ask questions in ur head...ya know but I mean somewhere down the line frats havent been schooling their hearts and somewhere down the line some took advantage of their hearts and thats why they actin reckless now
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Post by ace64hearts on Feb 11, 2008 18:53:52 GMT -5
And to all my haters thats sendin me all this bad karma lmao {cant make me and cant break me lol}
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Post by Nupey on Feb 11, 2008 18:54:40 GMT -5
Yeah, its possible. But I dont have a problem with sweets having line numbers, calls and strolling on there own. Its kinda cool to me. They shimmey (as does the SGRhos) and carry staffs....So it is what it is.
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Post by ace64hearts on Feb 11, 2008 18:58:54 GMT -5
I mean we have our nicknames but we dont call it line names or crossing names and stuff. And we have our call and our sign sometmies we stroll on our own....well I do at least LOL but its never in the same line as greeks because w're not greek and we let them have that. But we do what our frat allows us too. Our founders are still alive and well and our proud at what their sweethearts are doing and the work we put into the frat (gosh) I love my founders lol (especially the ones Ive met)
NOW I can see Kappa sweethearts carrying canes more so than SGRhoes at least kappa sweets have significant history to the org. (just my opinion)
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Post by Nupey on Feb 11, 2008 18:59:43 GMT -5
Well, Kappa sweets SHOULDN'T carry canes...
We have history with the Rho's
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Post by Southie on Feb 11, 2008 19:05:27 GMT -5
I am not familar with Doves, Silouhetes(sp) in terms of thier history, however I have met a few. Bkup is a Dove, and I love her !!
Now, when it comes to a jealousy issue, I think that is true in some instances. However, what I have found to be a problem between sororities and some aux groups is the issue of undertanding place and purpose. If aux are to support the fraternities that is fine, however when you see they are pledging, wearing numbers, etc. then the lines become blurred and you will hear remarks from some sorority members: "Why would you do that for one letter"? To me, it looks like an issue of blurring the purpose between supporting an org and then utlizing some elements that are very similar to a sorority .
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Post by 100% Bajan on Feb 11, 2008 19:20:20 GMT -5
real talk tho ace, if u can stroll with your "frat" and pledge, why u cant have #'s on the back of your jacket. it just seems illogical to me.
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Post by ace64hearts on Feb 11, 2008 19:22:40 GMT -5
Yeah that point was brought up in another board about why would young ladies do all that stuff for just one letter but then I mean I guess its two sides to that. One side, some auxilary members feel that they dont like the attitudes that some members in sororities have. Some of those attitudes are like if you dont have 3 letters the letter that you earned really doesnt mean shit. Some ladies dont like that attitude they sense from the jump so then their like "okay well I dont like sororities so Im gonna join a frat". Some members of some organizations consider themselves to be like the most supreme beings and if you dont have the equivalent then you just dont matter. (and Ive sensed some of that attitude here and there more times than never). But then I dont understand WHY they would go through all of that when what can they REALLY do on their own campus?!?!? What can they really do with their frat?!?! Maybe SOME chapters here and there recognize their auxilary and let them stroll with them, and do programs but its more than that. Being as tho Im in a grad chapter, I see things on a whole othe level. I see Iota bigger than Ive ever seen it before. NOW Im not just doing work on a college campus, like, this is regional, national...Im striving for national initiatives within the org. Helping to market the frat, like on a business level. But its different in diff orgs. BUT I see how sororities when auxilaries have this attitude like "I got a letter and my heart and you need to respect me" and I see sororities like "i got 3 letters and you ned to respect me" when actually I dont either of both I respect the person, not the org or the affiliation.
Its about how you humble yourself. ME I mind my business. Im not here for nobodys org but Iota Phi Theta. When sororities try to tell me to "stay in my place" i say kick rocks because what sweethearts do in IOTA is nobodies businsess BUT IOTA. We dont feel the need to be negative and ignorant because we know our place as being apart of this frat, nationally recognized, etc etc. We keep our org a closed book.What u see on the website is what u get. I dont worry about greeks do in their orgs, therefore I tell greeks dont worry about what Iota does in theirs involving their sweethearts. And thats not directed to nobody Im just making a general statement.
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Post by ace64hearts on Feb 11, 2008 19:24:39 GMT -5
Because having numbers on our backs would signify pledging of some sort, and pledging is seemed to be seen disrespectful to sororities. {iotaphitheta.org}
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Post by konfucius1911 on Feb 11, 2008 19:27:09 GMT -5
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Post by Ms. RedamnDickulous on Feb 11, 2008 19:35:04 GMT -5
*Shrugs*
This is all very interesting to me, because at my undergrad, at the time, Sweethearts were irrelevant to everyone except the Sigmas (who used them for pledging and assistance with parties), and the few that the Kappas had were JUMP-OFFs. At any rate, none of these ladies ever pledged a Sorority, most of them had poor reputations and in general, weren't held in high esteem. Iota was nonexistent on my yard, so I never saw their relationship with their "sisters". I guess it all depends on your college's culture. We were essentially conservative and traditional, sans the influx of Miami Bass music accompanied by daisy dukes and sexually explicit dances in the 90's. The only women positively affiliated with Fraternities were their respective Queens and Court. The Sorority members were their darlings.
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Post by Bunny Hop on Feb 11, 2008 19:48:52 GMT -5
When I was in undergrad we have Iota Sweethearts and Alpha Sweethearts. I had heard about a city wide chapter of KKI/Kappa Diamonds/Kappa sweethearts (can't remember the name).
For the most part the Alpha Sweethearts had a pretty bad reputation. Folks knew when they were recruiting, who was online, etc. And seeing folks leaving at 1am getting into that same car and then coming back at 7 or 8 am didn't leave a lot to the imagination, lol. But they pretty much went away after my freshman year. I don't think the Alphas wanted to have them anymore.
The Iota Sweethearts as a whole never really had a bad rep, from what I remember. There were a few people who had one but every org has a few bad apples and I think they had a bad rep long before being an Iota sweetheart. Their sweethearts were always pretty cool. Two of my Gamma sig sister's are Iota Sweethearts and they have very good relationships with them til this day. Plus the Iotas at my UG were and are very cool people.
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Post by konfucius1911 on Feb 11, 2008 19:57:16 GMT -5
... none of these ladies ever pledged a Sorority, most of them had poor reputations and in general, weren't held in high esteem. Hmm, ... amazingly, I never considered THAT aspect of the subject-matter. I was a DELTA GENT for the HK Chapter [Spelman] in the late-1980s when it was an officially recognized auxiliary of the sorority; and no way related to the $h1t existing today. However, we did not "pledge"; but were rather CHOSEN by the PYRAMID-Club. I'm sure I was chosen by my girl, who was #16 on her line. I'm not sure about the AKA CAVALIERS [not sure when the term MiAKA came into existence], but I believe their selection process was similar to ours. Most of the DELTA GENTS eventually became members of either KAPPA, or OMEGA. The CAVALIERS became members of either KAPPA, or ALPHA. Almost ALL of the female auxiliary members [Kappa*Sweets, Alpha Angels, etc] were DENIED membership in any of the sororities during their undergrad years. Do you think there is a DOUBLE-STANDARD based upon gender ?? Just Curious. |
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Post by Ms. RedamnDickulous on Feb 11, 2008 20:23:07 GMT -5
... none of these ladies ever pledged a Sorority, most of them had poor reputations and in general, weren't held in high esteem. Hmm, ... amazingly, I never considered THAT aspect of the subject-matter. I was a DELTA GENT for the HK Chapter [Spelman] in the late-1980s when it was an officially recognized auxiliary of the sorority; and no way related to the $h1t existing today. However, we did not "pledge"; but were rather CHOSEN by the PYRAMID-Club. I'm sure I was chosen by my girl who #16 on her line. I'm not sure about the AKA CAVALIERS [not sure when the term MiAKA came into existence], but I believe their selection process was similar to ours. Most of the DELTA GENTS eventually became members of either KAPPA, or OMEGA. The CAVALIERS became members of either KAPPA, or ALPHA. Almost ALL of the female auxiliary members [Kappa*Sweets, Alpha Angels, etc] were DENIED membership in any of the sororities during their undergrad years. Do you think there is a DOUBLE-STANDARD based upon gender ?? Just Curious. There is a double- standard but it isn't based solely on gender, I feel it is more of a consequence of gender roles within our society that trickle down into our organizations. For example, You made it clear that the women chose you while they were on-line, and it can be assumed that you assisted in the pledge process. You had a clear purpose, based on the way you were brought in. If the women of the org decided to use you all for sexual favors in a traditional sense it would negatively affect them. To have you cooking and serving food at all of their functions or doing other extensive duties would essentially make you bitch-made by society's standards; and what women wants to be affiliated with an effeminate man except a fag-hag? I can state further that women weren't and aren't empowered enough to traditionally exploit you (men) within these orgs without self-exploiting. Thus the relation as defined by a clear construct, even if only by appearances. (They may have ran through you all like a football team at the close of the season, but I am sure that all APPEARANCES were kept up) Men, however are able to exploit these sweethearts, whom are often chosen for their looks or reputations, while increasing in both popularity and sexual power, due to the value that both men and women attribute to a virile man. I am not saying that this is clearly defined across the board, but in the early 90's in my UG experience, I often saw sweethearts being picked up at 12am, doing strenuous and domestic work, and many got impregnated by members of an org, only to go home while he finished school. These young ladies were generally freshman and picked quickly and quietly before they could be warned. Many of them seemed flattered by the prospect of being "chosen" while in the following year, they would be obsolete. I am a little concerned that these auxiliary groups are being discussed so lightly (except for the Iota sister). Does this stuff still not go on. My daughter will be warned regardless. |
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Post by konfucius1911 on Feb 11, 2008 20:39:48 GMT -5
... and what women wants to be affiliated with an effeminate man except a fag-hag?  <------- :: DEAD :: You made it clear that the women chose you while they were on-line, and it can be assumed that you assisted in the pledge process. Yes. We assisted the PYRAMID-Club in their academic & pledge-group studies; but not of esoteric materials. This was [generally] the SOLE purpose of the group because AFTER that particular school-term, we went our separate ways and moved on with LIFE. |
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Post by ace64hearts on Feb 11, 2008 20:52:38 GMT -5
See, ReRe, thats the stuff Im talking about!! The stuff that its like OMG WHY WHY WHY!!! Its so sad but so true why women subject themselves to these sort of things. I mean could it be insecurities that they feel that because they were never chosen to be picked for a sorority then they just settle for what they think is respectable. But not saying that this is in all auxilaries but just certain ones and certain areas or chapters because they DO exist. And because fraternities know these auxilaries do know harm to their reputation but only for the rep of the ladies in these organizations. But see I think thats the difference between being an auxilary of an organization and being on court of an organization. Like Konfucious said, like most auxilaries are there to assist during the pledge process, well thats what they are SUPPOSED to be there for. But I recently found out that some auxis have probates, etc etc...now stuff like that I feel is going far beyond it all. If u gonna be on court for the frat, do that and move on, unless ur fraternity grants u permission to do otherwise. Probates for auxis should be out the question, but what goes on as far as intake behind the scenes or what have you stays behind closed doors. But probatin n stuff nah...shouldnt happen unless your a 3 lettered organization. Whatever sands you claim to have crossed, pathways, crossed the river, whatever...thats fine, but its like if your not a recognized individual sorority or fraternity (whether d9 multicultural, latino, christian) whatever dont think you should be probating.
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Post by BKupInHere on Feb 11, 2008 21:35:30 GMT -5
Women have not pledged Zeta so they can help Crescents; ZPB & Sweethearts are in no way comparable. I became a CRESCENT SWEETHEART to assist CRESCENTS in their pledge process so the Crescents could reach their ultimate goal of becoming members of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Inc. Once the Crescents crossed into Sigmaland,me and my court sisters became Sigma Sweethearts. We became Sigma Doves not long after that. One greek letter didnt "blow our heads" up,making us think we were anything more than sweethearts. Yes,we all remained friends,attended parties whatever...but I never thought a Sigma was my brother or Frat.
Me & my court sisters NEVER thought/assumed/acted as if we were entitled to be called sisters/sorors of anyone. We helped the Crescents with written projects and tons of pillows/banners etc.
Now do all of us have contact after all these years-ABSOLUTELY. Nineteen years later we will attend the "trey's" wedding this spring. However,we sweethearts knew that we received one greek letter when the Crescents crossed,not three.We were also encouraged to pursue sorority membership (some of my court did go Greek).
HUGS for my SOUTHSIDE & REEREE JONES for their input!!!
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on Feb 11, 2008 21:53:38 GMT -5
They carry it because, sororities feel "threatened" by aux orgs so they spread rumors which may or may not be true. This is a very unfair statement Nupey  |
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on Feb 11, 2008 21:57:18 GMT -5
I am not familar with Doves, Silouhetes(sp) in terms of thier history, however I have met a few. Bkup is a Dove, and I love her !! Now, when it comes to a jealousy issue, I think that is true in some instances. However, what I have found to be a problem between sororities and some aux groups is the issue of undertanding place and purpose. If aux are to support the fraternities that is fine, however when you see they are pledging, wearing numbers, etc. then the lines become blurred and you will hear remarks from some sorority members: "Why would you do that for one letter"? To me, it looks like an issue of blurring the purpose between supporting an org and then utlizing some elements that are very similar to a sorority . *Southie gets the Kneegrow nod from me* |
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Post by ace64hearts on Feb 11, 2008 22:05:25 GMT -5
Much respect to you and that....trust I understand where you coming from. But I guess I should have clarified that I guess I was referring to sigma doves as much as other auxilaries who carry the negative attitudes about their courts and just demand such negative respect. NOT the ones that really do understand the purpose of a sweetheart court/auxilary what have you. There are some sigma doves Ive met that will think they are better than Zetas and Zetas need to respect them NOT based of the woman they are but because they feel they are more entitled to the fraternity than the Zetas. ** strictly ** talking about all sweethearts really with brothers who have sorority counterparts and their attitudes reflecting that. Because in my point....if you carry this attitude like you deserve some sort of gold medal in such a negative persona...WHY NOT just join the sorority counterpart?
But for some people, everybody dont want to join a sorority. But when you walk around feeling like the whole yard owes you something, it kinda makse all sweethearts look bad. {in general speaking}
[/quote] Women have not pledged Zeta so they can help Crescents; ZPB & Sweethearts are in no way comparable. I became a CRESCENT SWEETHEART to assist CRESCENTS in their pledge process so the Crescents could reach their ultimate goal of becoming members of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Inc. Once the Crescents crossed into Sigmaland,me and my court sisters became Sigma Sweethearts. We became Sigma Doves not long after that. One greek letter didnt "blow our heads" up,making us think we were anything more than sweethearts. Yes,we all remained friends,attended parties whatever...but I never thought a Sigma was my brother or Frat.
Me & my court sisters NEVER thought/assumed/acted as if we were entitled to be called sisters/sorors of anyone. We helped the Crescents with written projects and tons of pillows/banners etc.
Now do all of us have contact after all these years-ABSOLUTELY. Nineteen years later we will attend the "trey's" wedding this spring. However,we sweethearts knew that we received one greek letter when the Crescents crossed,not three.We were also encouraged to pursue sorority membership (some of my court did go Greek).
HUGS for my SOUTHSIDE & REEREE JONES for their input!!!
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Post by ace64hearts on Feb 11, 2008 22:07:08 GMT -5
But see I always looked at auxilaries as the little sisters of the fraternity. Maybe thats because thats the way my frata views me, as their sister. So its weird for me to hear you say that you wouldnt consider a Sigma your brother or frat.
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on Feb 11, 2008 22:08:44 GMT -5
Women have not pledged Zeta so they can help Crescents; ZPB & Sweethearts are in no way comparable. I became a CRESCENT SWEETHEART to assist CRESCENTS in their pledge process so the Crescents could reach their ultimate goal of becoming members of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Inc. Once the Crescents crossed into Sigmaland,me and my court sisters became Sigma Sweethearts. We became Sigma Doves not long after that. One greek letter didnt "blow our heads" up,making us think we were anything more than sweethearts. Yes,we all remained friends,attended parties whatever...but I never thought a Sigma was my brother or Frat. Me & my court sisters NEVER thought/assumed/acted as if we were entitled to be called sisters/sorors of anyone. We helped the Crescents with written projects and tons of pillows/banners etc. Now do all of us have contact after all these years-ABSOLUTELY. Nineteen years later we will attend the "trey's" wedding this spring. However,we sweethearts knew that we received one greek letter when the Crescents crossed,not three.We were also encouraged to pursue sorority membership (some of my court did go Greek). HUGS for my SOUTHSIDE & REEREE JONES for their input!!!Same for the Que Pearls in my era. The difference is back when we were coming along, we were chosen to assist the Lamps while on line. Most did go on to pledge sororities. We didn't step or anything like that. We were very respected. I guess you, me and Konfucious had very similiar experiences. I've been out of the loop for a very long time now, but from what I understand it is very different. The former Omega "auxillaries" did incorporate nationally under one umbrella in 1999. |
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Post by goldenepiphany on Feb 11, 2008 23:43:28 GMT -5
Can we say the term that they use "Sister" varies from area to area.
I have Kappa Sweets friends and they call the Kappas brothers...I don't see nothing wrong with that
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