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Post by waymaker2010 on Jul 23, 2010 12:34:40 GMT -5
To the members of orgs who have "issues" with "paper members" :
are you active in your organization?
do you got to state, regional or national coventions?
are you a voting delegate?
have you expressed ideas and/or developed an intake process that you feel would ensure new members learned everything they needed to know coming in while protecting your organization?
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 23, 2010 12:42:16 GMT -5
You must be talking about neos. Clearly, we are much older to worry about who is paper and who is real. As long as you take the time out to learn information and DEFERENCE, you good with me.
As far as the last question is concerned, it is currently being discussed in Vegas. I am sure we will get an update later.
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Post by icebraka on Jul 23, 2010 12:42:16 GMT -5
Literally eating Smartfood® White Cheddar Popcorn!
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 23, 2010 12:42:30 GMT -5
OK, we are about to beat this dead horse again. LOL!
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 23, 2010 12:43:28 GMT -5
Literally eating Smartfood® White Cheddar Popcorn! Share some popcorn with me sis!! |
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 23, 2010 12:44:46 GMT -5
Please pass me some of that white cheddar popcorn.
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Post by icebraka on Jul 23, 2010 12:45:33 GMT -5
Clearly, we are much older to worry about who is paper and who is real. THAT |
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Post by icebraka on Jul 23, 2010 12:46:08 GMT -5
Please pass me some of that white cheddar popcorn. I only have a 99 cent bag! lmaooo |
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Post by Ms. RedamnDickulous on Jul 23, 2010 12:50:28 GMT -5
grilled shrimp and grits was more appropriate for this convo...it sure is good. Something has to be good.
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 23, 2010 12:50:29 GMT -5
That's okay. I'm eating a tuna fish sandwich for lunch.
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 23, 2010 12:50:49 GMT -5
If someone is over the age of 30 and they are walking around worrying about who is "paper" and who is not, then I would suggest for them to grow up and get a life. For real! Paper/Skate is not my issue. My issue is Knowledge/Ignorance. You can be hazed for months and still be ignorant about your organization, its history, and its inner workings.
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Post by Ms. RedamnDickulous on Jul 23, 2010 12:54:50 GMT -5
The last folks I knew who werre over the age of 30 and were oh so concerned over real/paper etc were promptly expelled, sued, lost homes, husbands and gained an unflattering mug shot or two...at some point one should transition and grow da hell up and leave certain business to who it all belongs to.
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 23, 2010 13:05:25 GMT -5
If someone is over the age of 30 and they are walking around worrying about who is "paper" and who is not, then I would suggest for them to grow up and get a life. For real! Paper/Skate is not my issue. My issue is Knowledge/Ignorance. You can be hazed for months and still be ignorant about your organization, its history, and its inner workings. EXALT!!! I hate when I speak with other greeks and all that they can tell you is how long they been online. damnit what the hell did you learn while you were online is the question. OMG!!! I was at this cookout a few weeks ago and this dude tried to say house of Alpha. He fucked up the whole damn thing but he could tell you that he went through the jungle, dungeon, fire and everything else he could think of at the moment. |
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Post by waymaker2010 on Jul 23, 2010 13:13:28 GMT -5
well i ask these questions because i lurk here more than i post but i often read responses about members not deserving to do this or that because of the way they were brought in or members "charging" them and they dont know the answer.
let me rephrase as the intent of the question was to ascertain if members who have these issues about their respective orgs intake process, have done anything to change it
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 23, 2010 13:21:17 GMT -5
I just wonder why some people feel like during the intake process is the only time we can teach new members about the organization. I know a brother who crossed and the next day, he came to me and began to ask me a bunch of questions. I was only too happy to sit down with him and teach him the things I felt he should know. That's what brotherhood is about.
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 23, 2010 13:24:56 GMT -5
I just wonder why some people feel like during the intake process is the only time we can teach new members about the organization. I know a brother who crossed and the next day, he came to me and began to ask me a bunch of questions. I was only too happy to sit down with him and teach him the things I felt he should know. That's what brotherhood is about. I commend you on that. There is no way in hell you can learn everything that you need to know about your org. during intake. Learning does not stop once you cross. |
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Post by Southie on Jul 23, 2010 14:02:46 GMT -5
grilled shrimp and grits was more appropriate for this convo...it sure is good. Something has to be good. Sounds like a good idea for dinner. |
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Post by Southie on Jul 23, 2010 14:04:42 GMT -5
If someone is over the age of 30 and they are walking around worrying about who is "paper" and who is not, then I would suggest for them to grow up and get a life. For real! Paper/Skate is not my issue. My issue is Knowledge/Ignorance. You can be hazed for months and still be ignorant about your organization, its history, and its inner workings. Now that right there is the main idea of the entire conversation. If the person is around wearing "I was made at Bloody 000 chapter...but can not recite relevant information...what the hell were you doing?" |
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Post by waymaker2010 on Jul 23, 2010 14:13:10 GMT -5
@ southie incorrect that is not the main idea of the conversation. perhaps i should have name the thread something else but the question that i want folks to answer what are you doing to change the intake process that you are so unhappy with?
(not you perse but the you that is always talking the noise about the intake process)
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Post by waymaker2010 on Jul 23, 2010 14:19:30 GMT -5
I just wonder why some people feel like during the intake process is the only time we can teach new members about the organization. I know a brother who crossed and the next day, he came to me and began to ask me a bunch of questions. I was only too happy to sit down with him and teach him the things I felt he should know. That's what brotherhood is about. it's amazing how new members aren't received with the same welcome that you have extended to the new brother in your org. I have gotten more answers from Fatal on this board than from SOME members of my org. I would love to sit down with some of the older members of my org and ask a ton of questions (especially since a few of them are charter members and some have been members longer than I've been on earth and i ain't no spring chicken) but some are not as receptive. |
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Post by Southie on Jul 23, 2010 14:20:37 GMT -5
@ southie incorrect that is not the main idea of the conversation. perhaps i should have name the thread something else but the question that i want folks to answer what are you doing to change the intake process that you are so unhappy with? (not you perse but the you that is always talking the noise about the intake process) To me, that is the main idea. Focusing on the relevant knowledge and not bragging about being so called "made" when in fact, so many of those individuals that make that claim, can barely recite the name of their founders. |
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Jul 23, 2010 14:29:36 GMT -5
OK, we are about to beat this dead horse again. LOL! Whoop dat trick!! Get Um... HeeHee ;D |
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Post by Comedy on Jul 23, 2010 15:30:19 GMT -5
They can learn everything they need to know and still know nothing. You must be talking about neos. Clearly, we are much older to worry about who is paper and who is real. As long as you take the time out to learn information and DEFERENCE, you good with me. As far as the last question is concerned, it is currently being discussed in Vegas. I am sure we will get an update later. |
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Post by Comedy on Jul 23, 2010 15:31:11 GMT -5
This isn't necessarily a dead horse. Sometimes some of us have to rationalize our on journey. OK, we are about to beat this dead horse again. LOL! |
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Post by Comedy on Jul 23, 2010 15:32:23 GMT -5
Aye Aye Skipper! If someone is over the age of 30 and they are walking around worrying about who is "paper" and who is not, then I would suggest for them to grow up and get a life. For real! Paper/Skate is not my issue. My issue is Knowledge/Ignorance. You can be hazed for months and still be ignorant about your organization, its history, and its inner workings. |
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Post by Comedy on Jul 23, 2010 15:33:51 GMT -5
Hint: None of this stuff is really relevant, it's crazy. If someone is over the age of 30 and they are walking around worrying about who is "paper" and who is not, then I would suggest for them to grow up and get a life. For real! Paper/Skate is not my issue. My issue is Knowledge/Ignorance. You can be hazed for months and still be ignorant about your organization, its history, and its inner workings. Now that right there is the main idea of the entire conversation. If the person is around wearing "I was made at Bloody 000 chapter...but can not recite relevant information...what the hell were you doing?" |
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Post by Comedy on Jul 23, 2010 15:34:24 GMT -5
Isn't this a hot mess? @ southie incorrect that is not the main idea of the conversation. perhaps i should have name the thread something else but the question that i want folks to answer what are you doing to change the intake process that you are so unhappy with? (not you perse but the you that is always talking the noise about the intake process) To me, that is the main idea. Focusing on the relevant knowledge and not bragging about being so called "made" when in fact, so many of those individuals that make that claim, can barely recite the name of their founders. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 23, 2010 15:48:51 GMT -5
I just wonder why some people feel like during the intake process is the only time we can teach new members about the organization. I know a brother who crossed and the next day, he came to me and began to ask me a bunch of questions. I was only too happy to sit down with him and teach him the things I felt he should know. That's what brotherhood is about. it's amazing how new members aren't received with the same welcome that you have extended to the new brother in your org. I have gotten more answers from Fatal on this board than from SOME members of my org. I would love to sit down with some of the older members of my org and ask a ton of questions (especially since a few of them are charter members and some have been members longer than I've been on earth and i ain't no spring chicken) but some are not as receptive. It's because they have a sense of entitlement to the information. They feel that since they had to "pledge long and hard" to get the info, they don't just want to give it to someone who didn't go through what they went through. However, what they don't realize is that people outside their organization don't know who pledged and who didn't. Those greek letters are the same to them regardless of who is wearing them. So we all do our organizations a disservice when we have people walking around representing our frat/sorority but they are severely lacking in knowledge. A company would not allow an individual to attend events as their representative if they were severely lacking in knowledge about the company and the company's inner workings....so why do many of us turn our heads and snicker at the ignorance instead of taking our frat/soror to the side and educating them in a brotherly/sisterly way? In my time in greekdom, I have learned that one or two bad apples CAN spoil the whole bunch for those who are not members. |
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Post by Bathroom Model on Jul 23, 2010 15:55:40 GMT -5
it's amazing how new members aren't received with the same welcome that you have extended to the new brother in your org. I have gotten more answers from Fatal on this board than from SOME members of my org. I would love to sit down with some of the older members of my org and ask a ton of questions (especially since a few of them are charter members and some have been members longer than I've been on earth and i ain't no spring chicken) but some are not as receptive. It's because they have a sense of entitlement to the information. They feel that since they had to "pledge long and hard" to get the info, they don't just want to give it to someone who didn't go through what they went through. However, what they don't realize is that people outside their organization don't know who pledged and who didn't. Those greek letters are the same to them regardless of who is wearing them. So we all do our organizations a disservice when we have people walking around representing our frat/sorority but they are severely lacking in knowledge. A company would not allow an individual to attend events as their representative if they were severely lacking in knowledge about the company and the company's inner workings....so why do many of us turn our heads and snicker at the ignorance instead of taking our frat/soror to the side and educating them in a brotherly/sisterly way? In my time in greekdom, I have learned that one or two bad apples CAN spoil the whole bunch for those who are not members. PREACH!!!!! |
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Post by waymaker2010 on Jul 23, 2010 18:46:36 GMT -5
which leads me back to my original questions. if folks aren't happy with the way new members are being brought in, what are they doing 1) to change the process and 2) to help new members with learn and grow in the organization. it's amazing how new members aren't received with the same welcome that you have extended to the new brother in your org. I have gotten more answers from Fatal on this board than from SOME members of my org. I would love to sit down with some of the older members of my org and ask a ton of questions (especially since a few of them are charter members and some have been members longer than I've been on earth and i ain't no spring chicken) but some are not as receptive. It's because they have a sense of entitlement to the information. They feel that since they had to "pledge long and hard" to get the info, they don't just want to give it to someone who didn't go through what they went through. However, what they don't realize is that people outside their organization don't know who pledged and who didn't. Those greek letters are the same to them regardless of who is wearing them. So we all do our organizations a disservice when we have people walking around representing our frat/sorority but they are severely lacking in knowledge. A company would not allow an individual to attend events as their representative if they were severely lacking in knowledge about the company and the company's inner workings....so why do many of us turn our heads and snicker at the ignorance instead of taking our frat/soror to the side and educating them in a brotherly/sisterly way? In my time in greekdom, I have learned that one or two bad apples CAN spoil the whole bunch for those who are not members. |
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