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Post by waymaker2010 on Jul 23, 2010 18:49:24 GMT -5
i think i said quite a few times that im a neo and im not complaining about my process because 1) i had no choice in how i was brought in and 2) this is for a lifetime.
i registered for nationals even though i was told by older members (not necessarily in my chapter) that i could just go and just walk around and kick it or switch badges with someone if i wanted to go into a session. I want to know what's going on and how decisions are made.
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 23, 2010 19:52:50 GMT -5
Individual members can absolutely give feeback on what they think about the MI processes but lets be real, the process is driven by releasing the org as much as possible from hazing liability. That's why we went to "no pledge" officially in the first place. I have been an advisor and served on regional committes and sure I've had plenty of opportunity to participate over the last couple of decades in debates of what we should be. But at the end of the day, we have not devised a way to "ensure" that new members learned everything they needed to know in a MIP (speaks for Delta, don't know what the rest of you do).
I get that the core of your question deals with whether the folk looking down on MIP initiates are voicing their concerns and actively working to change the process but it just isn't that simple. *shrugs*
Oh and I'd sternly correct any Soror who discouraged you to register. Just because they're older doesn't mean they're not trifling. Learn as much as you can from whoever you can and whenever you can.
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Post by huey on Jul 23, 2010 20:17:19 GMT -5
I think there needs to be made a distinction. I'll share any folklore, history, etc to any new initiate. But i'm not sharing scroller info to someone that wasn't a scroller.
Wait Theophilos, so you telling me if i goto Popeyes right now, the cashier will know the inner workings of Popeyes or even the secret formula to popeyes chicken?
GTFOH
Just cuz they are reps of Popeyes doesn't mean they have to know all the secrets of the org. They have to earn that right.
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Post by huey on Jul 23, 2010 20:23:24 GMT -5
i think i said quite a few times that im a neo and im not complaining about my process because 1) i had no choice in how i was brought in and 2) this is for a lifetime. i registered for nationals even though i was told by older members (not necessarily in my chapter) that i could just go and just walk around and kick it or switch badges with someone if i wanted to go into a session. I want to know what's going on and how decisions are made. Do you think there suggestion was malicious? And registering for nationals and going to business sessions won't show you how decisions are made, more than likely the decisions were made way prior to the session.  |
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 23, 2010 21:01:17 GMT -5
I think there needs to be made a distinction. I'll share any folklore, history, etc to any new initiate. But i'm not sharing scroller info to someone that wasn't a scroller. Wait Theophilos, so you telling me if i goto Popeyes right now, the cashier will know the inner workings of Popeyes or even the secret formula to popeyes chicken? GTFOH Just cuz they are reps of Popeyes doesn't mean they have to know all the secrets of the org. They have to earn that right. Huey, it's obvious that you and I are on two totally different mental planes. A person who works a cash register at Popeyes would not be representing the corporation at any significant event. However, the Director of Human Resources would definitely know the inner workings of the organization before he or she would be allowed to represent the organization at any official function. As for pledge information, it ceases to be important once you cross unless you are swapping pledge stories or trying to prove to someone that you pledged. When I said "inner workings", I was talking about significant frat/sorority history....the structure of the organization...protocol...the official challenges, and meanings of things that all members of the organization should know....especially the Founders and their backgrounds and what led to the founding of the organization...and what the organization stands for today. At any rate, I am not surprised that you were the one to fall short of understanding what I was stating since your frat Nupey said many times that Kappa Alpha Psi is a social organization and not focused on anything else. So I can see how your mind can't fathom anything past the pledge process, especially considering the fact that you chose to compare your frat to a fast food restaurant. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 23, 2010 23:22:40 GMT -5
ROTFL @ Frozen!
I personally think it's retarded to not help a member with the basic info that sll members should know. To do that, you are doing a disservice to your org. and its history.
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Post by huey on Jul 24, 2010 0:49:10 GMT -5
considering the fact that you chose to compare your frat to a fast food restaurant. LMAO BONG!!!! |
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Post by huey on Jul 24, 2010 0:58:59 GMT -5
I think there needs to be made a distinction. I'll share any folklore, history, etc to any new initiate. But i'm not sharing scroller info to someone that wasn't a scroller. Wait Theophilos, so you telling me if i goto Popeyes right now, the cashier will know the inner workings of Popeyes or even the secret formula to popeyes chicken? GTFOH Just cuz they are reps of Popeyes doesn't mean they have to know all the secrets of the org. They have to earn that right. Huey, it's obvious that you and I are on two totally different mental planes. A person who works a cash register at Popeyes would not be representing the corporation at any significant event. However, the Director of Human Resources would definitely know the inner workings of the organization before he or she would be allowed to represent the organization at any official function. As for pledge information, it ceases to be important once you cross unless you are swapping pledge stories or trying to prove to someone that you pledged. When I said "inner workings", I was talking about significant frat/sorority history....the structure of the organization...protocol...the official challenges, and meanings of things that all members of the organization should know....especially the Founders and their backgrounds and what led to the founding of the organization...and what the organization stands for today. At any rate, I am not surprised that you were the one to fall short of understanding what I was stating since your frat Nupey said many times that Kappa Alpha Psi is a social organization and not focused on anything else. So I can see how your mind can't fathom anything past the pledge process, especially considering the fact that you chose to compare your frat to a fast food restaurant. But in all seriousness, i think we are on 2 diff planes because i don't know that some d9 orgs MOI Processes didn't teach "frat/sorority history....the talking about structure of the organization...protocol...the official challenges, and meanings of things that all members of the organization should know". From what i gathered was that some people felt they was obligated to learn or be privy to certain information. Information that comes from an entity(pledge club) that is no longer recognized by said organization. If pledge information isn't so important, why those that didn't pledge feel obligated to have it ? |
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Post by waymaker2010 on Jul 24, 2010 11:06:01 GMT -5
@ Huey So do i understand you to say that your organization has a sanctioned process for new members and once they have paid gone through the rituals as it pertains to your org they are NOT entitled to know certain things because they did not "pledge" (a process sanctioned by a group within the org)
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Post by waymaker2010 on Jul 24, 2010 11:07:47 GMT -5
Individual members can absolutely give feeback on what they think about the MI processes but lets be real, the process is driven by releasing the org as much as possible from hazing liability. That's why we went to "no pledge" officially in the first place. I have been an advisor and served on regional committes and sure I've had plenty of opportunity to participate over the last couple of decades in debates of what we should be. But at the end of the day, we have not devised a way to "ensure" that new members learned everything they needed to know in a MIP (speaks for Delta, don't know what the rest of you do). I get that the core of your question deals with whether the folk looking down on MIP initiates are voicing their concerns and actively working to change the process but it just isn't that simple. *shrugs* Oh and I'd sternly correct any Soror who discouraged you to register. Just because they're older doesn't mean they're not trifling. Learn as much as you can from whoever you can and whenever you can. thanks for answering and you have a lot of stern correcting to do! ;D |
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 24, 2010 12:59:12 GMT -5
Huey, it's obvious that you and I are on two totally different mental planes. A person who works a cash register at Popeyes would not be representing the corporation at any significant event. However, the Director of Human Resources would definitely know the inner workings of the organization before he or she would be allowed to represent the organization at any official function. As for pledge information, it ceases to be important once you cross unless you are swapping pledge stories or trying to prove to someone that you pledged. When I said "inner workings", I was talking about significant frat/sorority history....the structure of the organization...protocol...the official challenges, and meanings of things that all members of the organization should know....especially the Founders and their backgrounds and what led to the founding of the organization...and what the organization stands for today. At any rate, I am not surprised that you were the one to fall short of understanding what I was stating since your frat Nupey said many times that Kappa Alpha Psi is a social organization and not focused on anything else. So I can see how your mind can't fathom anything past the pledge process, especially considering the fact that you chose to compare your frat to a fast food restaurant. If pledge information isn't so important, why those that didn't pledge feel obligated to have it ? It's because many are made to feel that if they don't know that information, then they aren't real and won't be accepted. Since they are in the infancy stage of membership, they have a need to be accepted. However, once you get some years under your belt and gain maturity, you cease to give a damn about whether or not someone accepts you. There are more important things to worry about. Seriously, do the greek letters on your chest shine more than those same letters on another member's chest because you "pledged" and they didn't? No! They look exactly the same to someone on the outside looking in. |
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Post by huey on Jul 24, 2010 14:53:03 GMT -5
If pledge information isn't so important, why those that didn't pledge feel obligated to have it ? It's because many are made to feel that if they don't know that information, then they aren't real and won't be accepted. Since they are in the infancy stage of membership, they have a need to be accepted. However, once you get some years under your belt and gain maturity, you cease to give a damn about whether or not someone accepts you. There are more important things to worry about. Seriously, do the greek letters on your chest shine more than those same letters on another member's chest because you "pledged" and they didn't? No! They look exactly the same to someone on the outside looking in. I'm not one who differentiates between those who pledged and those who didn't. I don't care who is paper in my org and damn sure don't care who is paper in another persons org. My whole thing is based on people who didn't pledge feeling obligated to have access to things that traditionally come from pledging. Pledging, to me, makes a fraternity a fraternity, and not just a social/service organization with Greek Letters for it's name. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 24, 2010 17:21:51 GMT -5
It's because many are made to feel that if they don't know that information, then they aren't real and won't be accepted. Since they are in the infancy stage of membership, they have a need to be accepted. However, once you get some years under your belt and gain maturity, you cease to give a damn about whether or not someone accepts you. There are more important things to worry about. Seriously, do the greek letters on your chest shine more than those same letters on another member's chest because you "pledged" and they didn't? No! They look exactly the same to someone on the outside looking in. I'm not one who differentiates between those who pledged and those who didn't. I don't care who is paper in my org and damn sure don't care who is paper in another persons org. My whole thing is based on people who didn't pledge feeling obligated to have access to things that traditionally come from pledging. Pledging, to me, makes a fraternity a fraternity, and not just a social/service organization with Greek Letters for it's name. Brotherhood is what makes a fraternity a fraternity..not pledging. The pledging might give you a bond with your line brothers and those who pledged you, but what about the thousands of other members in your organization? When you meet them, they don't know you from Adam and don't know whether you pledged or not. To be honest, no one pledges today like they pledged 40/50/60 years ago, yet I don't hear brothers who pledged back then whining about pledge vs paper. They are more concerned with what you do AFTER you cross. They say that's when the TRUE pledging begins. The only time I hear really old head greeks focusing on how someone came in is when that person has a lack of deference for those who came before them. |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Jul 24, 2010 19:52:36 GMT -5
Actually, I like hanging around paper sorority members. Some of them think we are crazy when my frat and I tell them pledge stories. They are intrigued by us because we are more thorough and real than men who are paper. Those of us men who pledged have a certain allure and sex appeal that paper sorors find irresistible. If you are a dude who pledged and want some easy sex, go to a grad chapter sorority function. It's easy pickings at those events. Even the married ones will at least buy you a drink.
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Post by Comedy on Jul 25, 2010 7:13:06 GMT -5
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNT out, but hilarious. APIL, thirty broads aren't the only ones. Actually, I like hanging around paper sorority members. Some of them think we are crazy when my frat and I tell them pledge stories. They are intrigued by us because we are more thorough and real than men who are paper. Those of us men who pledged have a certain allure and sex appeal that paper sorors find irresistible. If you are a dude who pledged and want some easy sex, go to a grad chapter sorority function. It's easy pickings at those events. Even the married ones will at least buy you a drink. |
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Post by Cambist on Jul 26, 2010 6:59:51 GMT -5
I came back to this convo? Wow....
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 26, 2010 7:26:26 GMT -5
This is our Israeli-Palestine conflict Cam, it will never end......
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 26, 2010 10:10:41 GMT -5
she's a "baby" yawl... help her out! LOL
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Post by Iceman on Jul 26, 2010 11:08:50 GMT -5
For real? No matter which side of the fence you are on as it pertains to this argument, we have done this one to death over the years. I’m exhausted.
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 26, 2010 11:12:07 GMT -5
unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about the processes.. it seems to be changing every year, we have to realize its not the members faults though...
that's why you gotta show them a couple thangs on the side! lol
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 26, 2010 11:15:20 GMT -5
For real? No matter which side of the fence you are on as it pertains to this argument, we have done this one to death over the years. I’m exhausted. That's the same thing I said Frat..but since Waymaker is a neo, I chose to respond. This dead horse is nothing but a skeleton now, but folk still want to beat the bones! |
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 26, 2010 11:19:59 GMT -5
I thought you was about to say beat the meat! LOL
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Post by Iceman on Jul 26, 2010 11:22:13 GMT -5
For real? No matter which side of the fence you are on as it pertains to this argument, we have done this one to death over the years. I’m exhausted. That's the same thing I said Frat..but since Waymaker is a neo, I chose to respond. This dead horse is nothing but a skeleton now, but folk still want to beat the bones! I feel you Bro. At this point, I think we've reached the supernatural realm with this where we are now beating up the ghost of this dead horse...lol |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 26, 2010 11:26:35 GMT -5
Yeah, it's old to us but all new to her. I don't know what to say
*shrugs*
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 26, 2010 11:37:22 GMT -5
I thought you was about to say beat the meat! LOL That would have been a good pun! ;D |
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 26, 2010 11:41:04 GMT -5
That's the same thing I said Frat..but since Waymaker is a neo, I chose to respond. This dead horse is nothing but a skeleton now, but folk still want to beat the bones! I feel you Bro. At this point, I think we've reached the supernatural realm with this where we are now beating up the ghost of this dead horse...lol Exactly! I mean, I find devising ways of keeping members financial and active in the work of the organization more important than continually revising the intake process, but I guess many folk don't have the same priorities as I do. **Kanye Shrug** |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 26, 2010 13:22:39 GMT -5
Here we go again... sheesh. Look if folk feel some type of way because people have pride in the fact that they pledged then that's an issue you have to resolve. Furthermore in Omega if you don't pledge to get in you will pledge when you get in so everything evens itself out in the long run...... If a person can't spit their founders etc and other pertinent information then chances are they didn't pledge.
Piggy backing on what Huey stated yes I get slightly offended (not as much as I use to) if someone uses a term which they know nothing about. So don't call me Team, Dawg, etc if you never experienced that. Still my bruh though. That's like a white dude saying " Say my brother blah blah blah..." uh nopers. This all inclusive blurring the lines minimizing the impact from the uprooting of our ancestral rituals for our organizations doesn't hide the truth. When everyone pledged... All of the organizations were better off.
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Post by Cambist on Jul 26, 2010 13:25:35 GMT -5
**tosses lime on this rotting corpse**
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Post by waymaker2010 on Jul 26, 2010 23:39:00 GMT -5
she's a "baby" yawl... help her out! LOL Thanks! |
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 29, 2010 18:46:43 GMT -5
LMFAO at this Delta on Twitter who doesn't have a clue as far as what discretion is for calling her LSs paper bitches.
WTF!
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