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Post by Elegance1913 on May 23, 2010 11:10:39 GMT -5
You are a punk for that. You stopped embracing him after you accepted him just because he does not have a piece of paper? I just don't get it. This is similar to when a company finds out a person did not graduate but has been successfully doing the job for years and fires the person. Just because a piece of paper is missing, this person is bad? But I guess that brotherhood these days is based on how much money you pay the frat and how many service events you attend. Forget about the bond of brotherhood and being friends. That stuff is for suckers. Why pledge when you can buy your way into the organization & Google pledge info?!? That very mindset comes from being a "pledge freak" like you, and is why there is so much f***ed up stuff going on in orgs today. Why then don't you just round up a bunch of nigs off the street, teach them ALL your shit, then grip them up and call them your brother? Then again, that maybe exactly what you have been doing. This nu skoool shit is gonna be the death knell of us all!!! Where there is a renegade/ghost/perp/fake/fraud, there is a "brother" or "soror" who made them that way. That being said, I don't give two shits for the members who make the renegades/ghosts/perps/fakes/frauds! Exaaaaacctly... Folk always wanna question whether someone "pledged" yet apparently have no clue. It is this" beatdown process" folk think is pledging that have introduced into our orgs weak-minded spacesavers who are willing to allow such slackness to deteriorate the org they love so much. GTHOHWT! However, the bolded is somewhat related to a business idea I have that just needs a little tweaking - Elegant Beatdowns, Inc. (www.elegantbeatdowns.org) Clients will present the application fee of their org of choice and my company will provide senseless beatdowns at half the cost - discounts for groups of 5 or more are available. I will conduct background checks on employees to ensure their criminal records support their ability to provide quality beatdowns. We will also offer a platinum package that will include injuries requiring ER attention and photographs clients can share with loved ones and fellow EB alumni. However, I still need to draft an airtight contract which releases my company and its agents from liability for any and all injuries that will occur - including when clients have pre-existing medical and mental conditions. |
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Post by Elegance1913 on May 23, 2010 11:43:54 GMT -5
Do you all look sideways at your legit members who create the renegade situation? Haaaiiiiiiillllyeah! I just don't understand the rationale. In my mind, if you are willing to make illegals, you lack something in your life that makes you feel relevant. So you find some unsuspecting, paying victims to serve as personal assistants and armless sparring partners in the name of your org ('cause at the end they can't call it their own) just to make you feel important. Oh yeah - that's right - you gave them some info (which is probably half incorrect) so now they're "members". And next weekend, I'm gonna read Gray's Anatomy and become Dr. Elegance - perhaps I'll watch Nurse Jackie and specialize in emergency medicine. However, making ghosts/renegades still does absolutely nothing for the chapter or the org at large...absolutely nothing. |
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Post by peppermint on May 23, 2010 11:58:08 GMT -5
^^^So taking a page from APIL, do you think people who are willing to make renegades are more concerned with the sister/brotherhood aspects than business? What value does an inactive member bring?
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Post by Elegance1913 on May 23, 2010 14:20:58 GMT -5
^^^So taking a page from APIL, do you think people who are willing to make renegades are more concerned with the sister/brotherhood aspects than business? What value does an inactive member bring? Nope. I think the above statement is an excuse some use to justify such mess. Of course an inactive member is my sister and I will treat her as such. I even understand that life happens and sometimes may keep her from being active. Of course one must take care of home before trying to take care of others. But an inactive member still have the ability to become active when possible. However, a renegade has NO rights and privileges to act for or on behalf of the org - even when they are financially and personally straight. So what is it all for? I mean really - I have friends who are like sisters but they are not Sorors - yet I am not less sisterly to them. So why can't the renegade makers do the same if their hearts are so full with sister/brotherhood? I'm sure it goes back to their need to be relevant. Also, what is sisterly about having someone spend time and money on something that is based on a lie? Would you call me 'sister' if I sold you a fake Coach bag at full price? Mind you, I led you to believe that it was legit - would we still hang strong? I hope not... |
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Post by AKAShannon on May 23, 2010 14:49:20 GMT -5
So by the same logic Huey and Apil, if you found out that your wife or current girlfriend was once a man, it wouldn't have any effect on your relationship? Why are you trying to fag me out like that? If I was dumb enough to wife up a tranny, I would be Vudu Prince! I'm going to let "The Prince" respond to you on that one! lol |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 23, 2010 16:03:31 GMT -5
^^^So taking a page from APIL, do you think people who are willing to make renegades are more concerned with the sister/brotherhood aspects than business? What value does an inactive member bring? I would not purposely make renegades myself. But I would not stop embracing someone just because I found out that they did not go through intake. I got pledged by a few dudes who were either renegades, suspended, or expelled. Should I have told these guys after I crossed that I could not be friends with them afterwords? I guess I could have, but I would have looked like a foolish neo with a generic process. If my chapter let them pledge me, they were in good standing at least on the level on being made. Not embracing renegades is really something that old heads do. I just do not see how a younger member who was made would be so arrogant to reject a renegade. I could see not gripping them up in front of National or Regional members. But I could not see totally disassociating myself from them if I found out about their renegade status after I was cool with them. I would just encourage them to get their stuff together. |
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Post by peppermint on May 23, 2010 19:43:15 GMT -5
I need to collect my thoughts...
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Post by peppermint on May 23, 2010 19:46:09 GMT -5
K, I'm back. I'm with Elegant. I simply don't understand the whys behind creating renegade members. I haven't personally encountered one (to my knowledge), but depending on the circumstances that person may not be completely at fault. I would question why not become legit.
APIL... Maybe sororities are different. Maybe I'm different but I would take serious issue with a renegade "making" anybody.
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 23, 2010 20:55:22 GMT -5
K, I'm back. I'm with Elegant. I simply don't understand the whys behind creating renegade members. I haven't personally encountered one (to my knowledge), but depending on the circumstances that person may not be completely at fault. I would question why not become legit. APIL... Maybe sororities are different. Maybe I'm different but I would take serious issue with a renegade "making" anybody. As far as sororities, I can understand your point. I can easily see how silly it would be to be a renegade in a sorority. It would really seem generic. Truthfully: I honestly do not understand why sororities physically haze one another. Why do women swing wood on one another and smack each other around? Hazing for a sorority should be mostly mental with a good workout to shape up potentials. Any other sort of physical punishment from one woman to another has never made sense to me. I hope that the Black sororities crack down on hazing with greater urgency than the Black fraternities. |
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Post by peppermint on May 23, 2010 21:11:33 GMT -5
Though I'm not a propontent of hazing, that's not my issue with the renegade making someone. My issue is somenoe who is not a member of my organization being involved in the development of a member.
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Post by Cambist on May 24, 2010 7:07:34 GMT -5
This conversation is so....well....stupid. I agree with AKA....
If you are giving away my letters, it's only fair that I take yours.
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Post by Troopa1911 on May 24, 2010 12:20:46 GMT -5
You are a punk for that. You stopped embracing him after you accepted him just because he does not have a piece of paper? I just don't get it. This is similar to when a company finds out a person did not graduate but has been successfully doing the job for years and fires the person. Just because a piece of paper is missing, this person is bad? But I guess that brotherhood these days is based on how much money you pay the frat and how many service events you attend. Forget about the bond of brotherhood and being friends. That stuff is for suckers. Why pledge when you can buy your way into the organization & Google pledge info?!? That very mindset comes from being a "pledge freak" like you, and is why there is so much f***ed up stuff going on in orgs today. Why then don't you just round up a bunch of nigs off the street, teach them ALL your shit, then grip them up and call them your brother? Then again, that maybe exactly what you have been doing. This nu skoool shit is gonna be the death knell of us all!!! Where there is a renegade/ghost/perp/fake/fraud, there is a "brother" or "soror" who made them that way. That being said, I don't give two shits for the members who make the renegades/ghosts/perps/fakes/frauds!
Renegades don't have the orgs best intentions at heart. They could careless...they ain't paid no dues.
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Post by Coldfront06 on May 24, 2010 13:29:42 GMT -5
I've definitely experienced this. When I first crossed, I met a full "line" of dudes who were supposedly frat. I was gripping them, they knew all pertinent info, we kicked it, etc. One day after a chapter meeting I was informed by our area director that I'd probably run into some guys that claimed to be frat but they really weren't...he gave me their names and all. Turns out, these dudes pledged, knew damn well that it wasn't legit going in (none of them had the required GPA, they tried to forge some transcripts)... but they've been wearing para and claiming the frat from day 1. They have basically been blackballed and have little chance of becoming legit. I pretty much stopped associating with them after I found out. I'd speak and be cordial, but I never gripped any of them after I found out they weren't really frat. I actually work with one RIGHT NOW, he's probably 20 feet away from me as I type this. He occasionally wears para to work and I am so tempted to tell people the truth when they ask me "Isn't he your frat brother?" I think he knows that I know he isn't real, he's probably picked up on the fact that I don't greet him as a Brother anymore. You are a punk for that. You stopped embracing him after you accepted him just because he does not have a piece of paper? I just don't get it. This is similar to when a company finds out a person did not graduate but has been successfully doing the job for years and fires the person. Just because a piece of paper is missing, this person is bad? But I guess that brotherhood these days is based on how much money you pay the frat and how many service events you attend. Forget about the bond of brotherhood and being friends. That stuff is for suckers. Why pledge when you can buy your way into the organization & Google pledge info?!? Read it slowly so you can understand it better, little dumb muthafucka. I stopped treating them as frat, because they aren't FRAT. Going through an illegal, unsanctioned pledge process doesn't make one an Alpha. As Rob stated, I can go and grab some dudes off the street, pledge them, teach them secrets, and suddenly they should be accepted as Brothers? This wasn't some paperwork mistake; this was blatant disrespect to the Fraternity. |
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Post by Robelite on May 24, 2010 14:03:00 GMT -5
You are a punk for that. You stopped embracing him after you accepted him just because he does not have a piece of paper? I just don't get it. This is similar to when a company finds out a person did not graduate but has been successfully doing the job for years and fires the person. Just because a piece of paper is missing, this person is bad? But I guess that brotherhood these days is based on how much money you pay the frat and how many service events you attend. Forget about the bond of brotherhood and being friends. That stuff is for suckers. Why pledge when you can buy your way into the organization & Google pledge info?!? Read it slowly so you can understand it better, little dumb muthafucka. I stopped treating them as frat, because they aren't FRAT. Going through an illegal, unsanctioned pledge process doesn't make one an Alpha. As Rob stated, I can go and grab some dudes off the street, pledge them, teach them secrets, and suddenly they should be accepted as Brothers? This wasn't some paperwork mistake; this was blatant disrespect to the Fraternity. It's some lame fuckas wearing our letters right now who for whateverdamnedreason, cant' get this through their stupid heads!!!  |
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Post by Robelite on May 24, 2010 14:05:38 GMT -5
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And THAT ^^^^ BLATANT DISRESPECT is the foundation for all this ghost-makin' bullschit!!
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Post by frozenmenace on May 24, 2010 14:15:12 GMT -5
Interesting. I was roommates with a renegade when I was taking grad classes at a school about 12 years ago. He was cool so I didn't really treat him any differently...until he started talkin' ish about the bruhs who WERE legit. It is absurd to hear a renegade call a legit brother "paper". He kept saying, "Those dudes didn't pledge like we did! They wouldn't let us pledge them!" I reminded him that regardless of whether those brothers pledged or not, they were legit and he wasn't. My loyalty lies with the brothers who ARE legit. After that, we were cordial but not so brotherly.
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Post by Robelite on May 24, 2010 14:21:13 GMT -5
Interesting. I was roommates with a renegade when I was taking grad classes at a school about 12 years ago. He was cool so I didn't really treat him any differently...until he started talkin' ish about the bruhs who WERE legit. It is absurd to hear a renegade call a legit brother "paper". He kept saying, "Those dudes didn't pledge like we did! They wouldn't let us pledge them!" I reminded him that regardless of whether those brothers pledged or not, they were legit and he wasn't. My loyalty lies with the brothers who ARE legit. After that, we were cordial but not so brotherly. That's the mess that gets me with these that have haunted around here. I told that to the last one I cursed out....that and asked him to show me his pass card, and if he'd ever had one. One of the li'l bytches told me once "Mine hasn't come yet," but he'd been claiming Alpha for two years. I asked him "Who the hell's it coming from, Annie Singleton?" |
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Post by frozenmenace on May 24, 2010 14:25:13 GMT -5
Interesting. I was roommates with a renegade when I was taking grad classes at a school about 12 years ago. He was cool so I didn't really treat him any differently...until he started talkin' ish about the bruhs who WERE legit. It is absurd to hear a renegade call a legit brother "paper". He kept saying, "Those dudes didn't pledge like we did! They wouldn't let us pledge them!" I reminded him that regardless of whether those brothers pledged or not, they were legit and he wasn't. My loyalty lies with the brothers who ARE legit. After that, we were cordial but not so brotherly. That's the mess that gets me with these that have haunted around here. I told that to the last one I cursed out....that and asked him to show me his pass card, and if he'd ever had one. One of the li'l bytches told me once "Mine hasn't come yet," but he'd been claiming Alpha for two years. I asked him "Who the hell's it coming from, Annie Singleton?" Maybe he is waiting for it to fall from the sky like manna from heaven! LOL! Alpha national is quick getting the pass cards out now. I paid my dues and had my pass card less than a week later. |
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Post by Coldfront06 on May 24, 2010 17:14:28 GMT -5
Interesting. I was roommates with a renegade when I was taking grad classes at a school about 12 years ago. He was cool so I didn't really treat him any differently...until he started talkin' ish about the bruhs who WERE legit. It is absurd to hear a renegade call a legit brother "paper". He kept saying, "Those dudes didn't pledge like we did! They wouldn't let us pledge them!" I reminded him that regardless of whether those brothers pledged or not, they were legit and he wasn't. My loyalty lies with the brothers who ARE legit. After that, we were cordial but not so brotherly. That's the mess that gets me with these that have haunted around here. I told that to the last one I cursed out....that and asked him to show me his pass card, and if he'd ever had one. One of the li'l bytches told me once "Mine hasn't come yet," but he'd been claiming Alpha for two years. I asked him "Who the hell's it coming from, Annie Singleton?" ROTFLMAO!!! |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 24, 2010 21:15:49 GMT -5
None of you are going to run up on a renegade and snatch his shirt off or sock him. So there is really no need to get heated. Just walk away from the dudes and have a good time.
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Post by Cambist on May 25, 2010 6:49:45 GMT -5
None of you are going to run up on a renegade and snatch his shirt off or sock him. So there is really no need to get heated. Just walk away from the dudes and have a good time. I'm convinced....you are young. |
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Post by Robelite on May 25, 2010 8:52:42 GMT -5
None of you are going to run up on a renegade and snatch his shirt off or sock him. So there is really no need to get heated. Just walk away from the dudes and have a good time. You know, on top of being a pledge freak, you must be a renegade/ghost/fraud/fake/perp, otherwise, why in hell would you advocate so loudly for them? Most fakes I know are also those who crow the loudest about how they "pledged." That sounds like YOU! If you aren't Nupey (again, not a pleasant thought that TWO alike nuts are out of the bag,) then you must yourself be one of these frauds you seem so quick to defend. Perp alert.....perp alert.....perp alert......perp alert...... |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 25, 2010 18:59:33 GMT -5
None of you are going to run up on a renegade and snatch his shirt off or sock him. So there is really no need to get heated. Just walk away from the dudes and have a good time. You know, on top of being a pledge freak, you must be a renegade/ghost/fraud/fake/perp, otherwise, why in hell would you advocate so loudly for them? Most fakes I know are also those who crow the loudest about how they "pledged." That sounds like YOU! If you aren't Nupey (again, not a pleasant thought that TWO alike nuts are out of the bag,) then you must yourself be one of these frauds you seem so quick to defend. Perp alert.....perp alert.....perp alert......perp alert...... Pledging was a breeze. Why are you so uptight about it? |
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Post by Troopa1911 on May 25, 2010 19:07:02 GMT -5
None of you are going to run up on a renegade and snatch his shirt off or sock him. So there is really no need to get heated. Just walk away from the dudes and have a good time. I'm convinced....you are young.
Nupey would have gotten two more bruhs and encountered this said DUDE and attempted to take the Pari.
And yes he is Young! |
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Post by Robelite on May 25, 2010 23:02:23 GMT -5
You know, on top of being a pledge freak, you must be a renegade/ghost/fraud/fake/perp, otherwise, why in hell would you advocate so loudly for them? Most fakes I know are also those who crow the loudest about how they "pledged." That sounds like YOU! If you aren't Nupey (again, not a pleasant thought that TWO alike nuts are out of the bag,) then you must yourself be one of these frauds you seem so quick to defend. Perp alert.....perp alert.....perp alert......perp alert...... Pledging was a breeze. Why are you so uptight about it? Uptight? Who is the li'l asscrack who is trying to convince everyone on this board that he/she/it "pledged" something? You see, when you have REALLY and TRULY "pledged" you don't have to run around tellin' every body "hey ya'll, look at me, I pledged," like the little punk on the block craving attention, who runs around to show everyone his new bb gun. If you really "pledged" and even know what the term means, it will show. |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 29, 2010 21:35:23 GMT -5
Pledging was a breeze. Why are you so uptight about it? Uptight? Who is the li'l asscrack who is trying to convince everyone on this board that he/she/it "pledged" something? You see, when you have REALLY and TRULY "pledged" you don't have to run around tellin' every body "hey ya'll, look at me, I pledged," like the little punk on the block craving attention, who runs around to show everyone his new bb gun. If you really "pledged" and even know what the term means, it will show. You are correct. I am a little punk on the block craving attention. Can you keep jocking me so I can feel better about myself? |
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Post by Robelite on May 29, 2010 22:13:13 GMT -5
...And I stopped reading right there!
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 29, 2010 22:56:16 GMT -5
...And I stopped reading right there! You win again. I am a weak little brat who is scared of intelligent conversation. I am going to throw in the towel.  |
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Post by 123Diva on May 30, 2010 13:54:15 GMT -5
The things I miss when I don't keep up with OOA threads...
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Post by ~DSTracted by shOES~ on May 30, 2010 15:05:24 GMT -5
lol@ Diva & ditto
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