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Post by Cambist on May 21, 2010 11:36:03 GMT -5
Questions for resident catholics....
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Post by LejaOMG on May 21, 2010 11:47:09 GMT -5
kindly react to this article (thanks in advance): www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126985072Nun Excommunicated for Allowing Abortion Last November, a 27-year-old woman was admitted to St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center in Phoenix. She was 11 weeks pregnant with her fifth child, and she was gravely ill. According to a hospital document, she had "right heart failure," and her doctors told her that if she continued with the pregnancy, her risk of mortality was "close to 100 percent." The patient, who was too ill to be moved to the operating room much less another hospital, agreed to an abortion. But there was a complication: She was at a Catholic hospital. "They were in quite a dilemma," says Lisa Sowle Cahill, who teaches Catholic theology at Boston College. "There was no good way out of it. The official church position would mandate that the correct solution would be to let both the mother and the child die. I think in the practical situation that would be a very hard choice to make." But the hospital felt it could proceed because of an exception — called Directive 47 in the U.S. Catholic Church's ethical guidelines for health care providers — that allows, in some circumstance, procedures that could kill the fetus to save the mother. Sister Margaret McBride, who was an administrator at the hospital as well as its liaison to the diocese, gave her approval. |
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Post by peppermint on May 21, 2010 12:03:55 GMT -5
<--- Not Catholic
If there is an exception clause, why was the nun excommunicated?
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Post by Cambist on May 21, 2010 12:09:48 GMT -5
The article made my case.
The Catholic church is Misogynistic (surprise) and believes that the only place for women is making children and serving man.
To excommunicate someone for saving a life while taking no significant action against hundreds of others for moelsting thousands of children tells me where the value lies.
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Post by peppermint on May 21, 2010 12:16:18 GMT -5
To excommunicate someone for saving a life while taking no significant action against hundreds of others for moelsting thousands of children tells me where the value lies. Interesting point |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 21, 2010 12:27:22 GMT -5
The article made my case. The Catholic church is Misogynistic (surprise) and believes that the only place for women is making children and serving man. To excommunicate someone for saving a life while taking no significant action against hundreds of others for moelsting thousands of children tells me where the value lies. Yup Ritual Sodomy Cam. Thats what they do. damn sham and shame. Just like the Jews in New York willing to go to court so they can keep their "traditions" during circumcision of sucking the penis of the infant. Saying it eases the pain. These mofo are SICK bastards man. ALLL of these religions are anti-woman. |
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Post by Chal™ on May 21, 2010 16:34:30 GMT -5
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 21, 2010 16:45:05 GMT -5
Yup it's called metzitzah b'peh. Here is what the New York Department of Health says about it www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/std/std-bris.shtmlI'm telling you all this chit is ritual sodomy and anti- woman. No man should feel closer to the creator when you abstain from dealing with the millions of her offshoots in the flesh. How can a Man or woman for that matter be seen as the true embodiment of a perfect walking human in life when they shun the very act that makes life itself possible? Then behind closed doors they do some of the most disgusting chit of all times and people ACTUALLY think this chit goes back to the ancestors at that. Hells No |
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Post by LovelyInspiration on May 21, 2010 17:11:59 GMT -5
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Post by peppermint on May 21, 2010 19:40:08 GMT -5
The article made my case. The Catholic church is Misogynistic (surprise) and believes that the only place for women is making children and serving man. To excommunicate someone for saving a life while taking no significant action against hundreds of others for moelsting thousands of children tells me where the value lies. Yup Ritual Sodomy Cam. Thats what they do. damn sham and shame. Just like the Jews in New York willing to go to court so they can keep their "traditions" during circumcision of sucking the penis of the infant. Saying it eases the pain. These mofo are SICK bastards man. ALLL of these religions are anti-woman. THIS! THIS! Cost me an A on a test. I will never forget this again. Not making light of it but seriously. I couldn't remember the term for it or the definition of pedastry. Don't ask how I could ever forget  |
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Post by Hummy Jones on May 21, 2010 20:24:07 GMT -5
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Post by Chal™ on May 21, 2010 22:49:43 GMT -5
Yup it's called metzitzah b'peh. Here is what the New York Department of Health says about it www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/std/std-bris.shtmlI'm telling you all this chit is ritual sodomy and anti- woman. No man should feel closer to the creator when you abstain from dealing with the millions of her offshoots in the flesh. How can a Man or woman for that matter be seen as the true embodiment of a perfect walking human in life when they shun the very act that makes life itself possible? Then behind closed doors they do some of the most disgusting chit of all times and people ACTUALLY think this chit goes back to the ancestors at that. Hells No i just read that page and there are tears streaming, no, cascading down my face. You telling me that these folks got immunity because they clam religion on this? Are you fricking kidding me. What kind of parent can't find fault with this. Who da heck thinks up mess like this. Forgive my language, but this is fucked up!!!!!!! |
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Post by Oren Ishii on May 21, 2010 23:05:19 GMT -5
I came in here to address questions about Catholicism...but I just CAN'T take this thread - not right now.
Oh. My. God.
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Post by nsync on May 22, 2010 9:47:18 GMT -5
...this is why I meant to give Leja an exalt for her "doctrine" thread. I tell you folks(and I think all of are susceptible to this untile we take the veil off our eyes) be following ish for year.... NOT know what they hayle they are into.
I have read up on this and MOST parents say they had no idea that it would occur until they were right there and it was performed before their eyes. No warning.
Not all perform it though...mostly orthodox jews(extremely conservative) and hasidics (spelling?). So it's not widespread information.
However if you think about it the most conservative (traditional) folks of almost any religion or concept are the most brainwashed. Well of course that will be reduced to an opinion, but I see it as truth.
Most Jews (practicing or not) believe circumcision to be a divine practice that separates Jews (God's chosen) from errrbody else. Therefore if they show up at the ceremony and their mohel starts sucking the penis of the child...they may feel uncomfortable but they go along with it.
Brainwashed.
As you see the reason for not performing it is medical. MEDICAL. No one stands up and says...THIS IS ABNORMAL. EFFA MEDICAL REASON THIS JUST ABNORMAL FOR A GROWN MAN TO BE SUCKING BLOOD OUT OF CHILD'S penis.
If some brave soul does stand up they are labeled reformed---and as you know reformed always seems less authentic...ahhhuhn. No one truly wants to be seen as less authentic. That means "they are not true servants of God", right?"
Brainwashed.
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Post by peppermint on May 22, 2010 10:13:19 GMT -5
Outtie, I feel what you are saying, but I'm curious why the older family members don't forewarn the new parents. Does anyone know if that's against tradition?
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Post by nsync on May 22, 2010 10:32:02 GMT -5
I am not sure about the tradition. I actually would like to know more about it anyhow, but somethings you have to go in the field to see yourself.
Boy oh boy I had to take a historical religions class that required I do field study in a synogauge, mosque and a christian church not of my own denomination( I chose a catholic church)...I learned so much that the books did not explain just by observation.
Even then I could not get into a orthodox synogauge. :/ So I think these things are extremely private.
So I have no idea what really occurs at the ceremony. I believe in orthodoxy it's just the mohel, parents and leaders but I could be very wrong. (In America I am speaking of)
I wonder if a not so practicing Jew can request a traditional mohel to perform. I doubt it, but just curious if one can be bought. lol
Good question Pep.
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Post by perroloco on Sept 6, 2010 22:20:51 GMT -5
...this is why I meant to give Leja an exalt for her "doctrine" thread. I tell you folks(and I think all of are susceptible to this untile we take the veil off our eyes) be following ish for year.... NOT know what they hayle they are into. I have read up on this and MOST parents say they had no idea that it would occur until they were right there and it was performed before their eyes. No warning. Not all perform it though...mostly orthodox jews(extremely conservative) and hasidics (spelling?). So it's not widespread information. However if you think about it the most conservative (traditional) folks of almost any religion or concept are the most brainwashed. Well of course that will be reduced to an opinion, but I see it as truth. Most Jews (practicing or not) believe circumcision to be a divine practice that separates Jews (God's chosen) from errrbody else. Therefore if they show up at the ceremony and their mohel starts sucking the penis of the child...they may feel uncomfortable but they go along with it. Brainwashed. As you see the reason for not performing it is medical. MEDICAL. No one stands up and says...THIS IS ABNORMAL. EFFA MEDICAL REASON THIS JUST ABNORMAL FOR A GROWN MAN TO BE SUCKING BLOOD OUT OF CHILD'S penis. If some brave soul does stand up they are labeled reformed---and as you know reformed always seems less authentic...ahhhuhn. No one truly wants to be seen as less authentic. That means "they are not true servants of God", right?" Brainwashed. I think that it is verypresumptuous, judgemental, and hypocritical of you to term someone who worships differently from you to call them "brainwashed". These are not "traditional" Jews who practice this style of brisque, but rather the ultra_ orthodox literalists who comprise a small sub-set of American Jewry. Their reasoning for this and all of their lifestyle dates back to Mosaic law when they were crossing the desert. This has nothing to do with pederasty or perversion but rather ancient tribal custom and law. This was the most sanitary method 4,000 years ago and they stick strictly to the law. It is in the modern sense that this is viewed as perverse (and rightly so, we are more advanced than many of these ancient practices). Voudou: Many Pygmy tribes of Melanesia practice a similar circumcision method, only with 12yr old males rather than 8 day olds. My Anthropology professor lived among them, filmed, and documented the procedure. During their manhood initiation, they are fellated to ejaculation while beaten with thistles and then cirumcised with a dull blade. Many die from shock or infection. Catholicism's problems with pederasty and pedophilia are because of denial. They freely admit that 40% of their priests are gay but don't expect them to act on it. They are also in denial to the fact that it is un-natural for a male to not have a sexual outlet other than prayer. Peter, whom they claim to be the first Pope, was married, and Paul, the Founder of Christianity, clearly states that Bishops are to be married. You are right in that Orthodoxy to any written or ancient worf to the letter is not suited to Individual thought or action. I think, rather than brainwashed, these people live in close, tight-knit, often isolated communities in which their is a great deal orf inter-dependence in which individualism is not an idealized trait. It is a different value -system. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Sept 7, 2010 8:27:24 GMT -5
EXALT
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Post by peppermint on Sept 7, 2010 8:45:31 GMT -5
Perroloco, are you suggesting that the reason these priest are engaging in pedophilia is because they are homosexual? I've never quite understood this argument. If they were raping one another this would make sense but the children? Naw, that's straight up pedophilia that has nothing to do with someone being gay.
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Post by perroloco on Sept 7, 2010 17:13:27 GMT -5
Perroloco, are you suggesting that the reason these priest are engaging in pedophilia is because they are homosexual? I've never quite understood this argument. If they were raping one another this would make sense but the children? Naw, that's straight up pedophilia that has nothing to do with someone being gay. Not only suggesting, but I posit it affirmatively. Sexual domination of an innocent is usually due to a few things. One, is lack of self control, Two is if that person himself was dominated in such a fashion at a sexually formative age, Three, the priest is a homosexual who sought refuge in the church thinking that he could repress his homosexuality only to find that this suprression is challenged and even heightened by being in the proximity of young, vulnerable boys. Pedophilia among Priests is inherently Homosexual because 99% of the victims are boys, not young women at confession or catechism classes or such. The Chief Cardinal at the Vatican acknowledges that 40% of their Priests are non-practicing homosexuals. How much of the Hierarchy of Catholicism must be Gay?. There is no witch-hunt to rid the Church of its Gay priests. Everyone has said how much they despise the Church because it has treated these Pedophile priests with kid-gloves. These priests have been promoted or moved to other institutions where they are free to violate other innoncent children. They are not outcast , abandoned, or turned over to the law, but coddled and protected. When does a Christian protect the Wolf and not the Lamb? Why does the Modern Catholic Church not allow its Priests to be married? My thought is that it would eliminate the secret "Gay Hierarchy" within the church. There would be no shortage of priests or Nuns if they could be married.. Catholic education could return to inner cities. Finding priests and nuns to teach at these schools would be much easier. I could go on, but suffice it to say, Catholicsm is trapped in its own anachronisms and non-biblical practices which forces it to act against its own sustainability merely for Tradition, but a tradition that hides a dark-side. |
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Post by nsync on Sept 7, 2010 19:10:20 GMT -5
Someone on OO(a) thinks that something I posted is presumptuous, judgemental and hypocritical.Please tell me what else is new? And just to think I logged into here for some fresh data.  Anyhow, you say tomatoe I say tomato. If a group is margainlized and therefore isolated from a broader scope it is extremely easy for their views to be controlled by leadership/majority EVEN (which was my point not that they are doing something different) if they sense that something is terribly wrong. What seems to tickle me is that when I posted that statement I specifically stated that it was my truth. The reason I said that is because I have (in my past) considered myself devout and traditional in several areas of my life especially my religious beliefs. This has been my experience. It's my perspective. I am entitled to it just like you are to your response. To knock my experiences without firsthand knowledge is just as presumptuous, judgmental and I guess...depending on how one looks at it...hypocritcal as the next. I think that it is verypresumptuous, judgemental, and hypocritical of you to term someone who worships differently from you to call them "brainwashed". These are not "traditional" Jews who practice this style of brisque, but rather the ultra_ orthodox literalists who comprise a small sub-set of American Jewry. Their reasoning for this and all of their lifestyle dates back to Mosaic law when they were crossing the desert. This has nothing to do with pederasty or perversion but rather ancient tribal custom and law. This was the most sanitary method 4,000 years ago and they stick strictly to the law. It is in the modern sense that this is viewed as perverse (and rightly so, we are more advanced than many of these ancient practices). Voudou: Many Pygmy tribes of Melanesia practice a similar circumcision method, only with 12yr old males rather than 8 day olds. My Anthropology professor lived among them, filmed, and documented the procedure. During their manhood initiation, they are fellated to ejaculation while beaten with thistles and then cirumcised with a dull blade. Many die from shock or infection. Catholicism's problems with pederasty and pedophilia are because of denial. They freely admit that 40% of their priests are gay but don't expect them to act on it. They are also in denial to the fact that it is un-natural for a male to not have a sexual outlet other than prayer. Peter, whom they claim to be the first Pope, was married, and Paul, the Founder of Christianity, clearly states that Bishops are to be married. You are right in that Orthodoxy to any written or ancient worf to the letter is not suited to Individual thought or action. I think, rather than brainwashed, these people live in close, tight-knit, often isolated communities in which their is a great deal orf inter-dependence in which individualism is not an idealized trait. It is a different value -system. |
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Post by adisa on Sept 7, 2010 20:38:43 GMT -5
<--- washed his hands of organized religion 2 years ago, and been the closest he's ever been to the supreme being since then
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Post by peppermint on Sept 7, 2010 23:18:29 GMT -5
Perroloco, are you suggesting that the reason these priest are engaging in pedophilia is because they are homosexual? I've never quite understood this argument. If they were raping one another this would make sense but the children? Naw, that's straight up pedophilia that has nothing to do with someone being gay. Not only suggesting, but I posit it affirmatively. Sexual domination of an innocent is usually due to a few things. One, is lack of self control, Two is if that person himself was dominated in such a fashion at a sexually formative age, Three, the priest is a homosexual who sought refuge in the church thinking that he could repress his homosexuality only to find that this suprression is challenged and even heightened by being in the proximity of young, vulnerable boys. Pedophilia among Priests is inherently Homosexual because 99% of the victims are boys, not young women at confession or catechism classes or such. The Chief Cardinal at the Vatican acknowledges that 40% of their Priests are non-practicing homosexuals. How much of the Hierarchy of Catholicism must be Gay?. There is no witch-hunt to rid the Church of its Gay priests. Everyone has said how much they despise the Church because it has treated these Pedophile priests with kid-gloves. These priests have been promoted or moved to other institutions where they are free to violate other innoncent children. They are not outcast , abandoned, or turned over to the law, but coddled and protected. When does a Christian protect the Wolf and not the Lamb? Why does the Modern Catholic Church not allow its Priests to be married? My thought is that it would eliminate the secret "Gay Hierarchy" within the church. There would be no shortage of priests or Nuns if they could be married.. Catholic education could return to inner cities. Finding priests and nuns to teach at these schools would be much easier. I could go on, but suffice it to say, Catholicsm is trapped in its own anachronisms and non-biblical practices which forces it to act against its own sustainability merely for Tradition, but a tradition that hides a dark-side. You do know that true pedophilia is not about the gender of the child, right? So why wouldn't gay people overall have a higher rate of pedophilia? The number one preps are those who identify as heterosexual males. IMO, the rate of ministers sexually abusing children isn't really higher in the Catholic church. The rate of exposure is. I'm confident that other demoninations have the same issues. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Sept 8, 2010 0:23:49 GMT -5
Not only suggesting, but I posit it affirmatively. Sexual domination of an innocent is usually due to a few things. One, is lack of self control, Two is if that person himself was dominated in such a fashion at a sexually formative age, Three, the priest is a homosexual who sought refuge in the church thinking that he could repress his homosexuality only to find that this suprression is challenged and even heightened by being in the proximity of young, vulnerable boys. Pedophilia among Priests is inherently Homosexual because 99% of the victims are boys, not young women at confession or catechism classes or such. The Chief Cardinal at the Vatican acknowledges that 40% of their Priests are non-practicing homosexuals. How much of the Hierarchy of Catholicism must be Gay?. There is no witch-hunt to rid the Church of its Gay priests. Everyone has said how much they despise the Church because it has treated these Pedophile priests with kid-gloves. These priests have been promoted or moved to other institutions where they are free to violate other innoncent children. They are not outcast , abandoned, or turned over to the law, but coddled and protected. When does a Christian protect the Wolf and not the Lamb? Why does the Modern Catholic Church not allow its Priests to be married? My thought is that it would eliminate the secret "Gay Hierarchy" within the church. There would be no shortage of priests or Nuns if they could be married.. Catholic education could return to inner cities. Finding priests and nuns to teach at these schools would be much easier. I could go on, but suffice it to say, Catholicsm is trapped in its own anachronisms and non-biblical practices which forces it to act against its own sustainability merely for Tradition, but a tradition that hides a dark-side. You do know that true pedophilia is not about the gender of the child, right? So why wouldn't gay people overall have a higher rate of pedophilia? The number one preps are those who identify as heterosexual males. IMO, the rate of ministers sexually abusing children isn't really higher in the Catholic church. The rate of exposure is. I'm confident that other demoninations have the same issues. Sorry sistah but I have to disagree with you on this. See the homosexual community has sought to hide its on origins in the face of their manifestian (yeah I said it) agenda. Homosexuality amongst men has at its root pederasty in my estimation. It's either through steering or sexual abuse. Yes you have child molestation happen between men and underage girls. You also have child molestation between women and underage boys and girls. Considering all of those child molestation is mostly between men and underage boys. The President of NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association) was a big time Gay Liberation Activist from the 70's. Look up David Thorstad. Read about his views. |
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Post by perroloco on Sept 8, 2010 16:08:43 GMT -5
[quote author=peppermint board=relig thread=. [/quote]
You do know that true pedophilia is not about the gender of the child, right? So why wouldn't gay people overall have a higher rate of pedophilia? The number one preps are those who identify as heterosexual males.
IMO, the rate of ministers sexually abusing children isn't really higher in the Catholic church. The rate of exposure is. I'm confident that other demoninations have the same issues.[/quote]
why are you confident that other denominations face the same numbers of Pedophiles? I haven't seen research, but I don't believe Mormons, Pentecostals, AME's or Southern Baptists have the breadth of problem that Catholics have.
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Post by peppermint on Oct 2, 2010 10:32:21 GMT -5
^^^ Just because numbers are unpublished they don't exist? Other denominations tend to be more vocal in blaming the victim. We can take this whole Eddie Long situation as an example. If he was a Catholic priest (especially a white priest) the many would not question his guilt or the role that the boys played. Stories of "church hurt" are an indication that the triflin' behavior found within the Catholic church occurs across the board. Churches investing in malpractice or similar insurance is an indication that these issues are no restricted to the Catholic church.
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Post by peppermint on Oct 2, 2010 10:40:05 GMT -5
VP there is a difference between pedophilia and pederasty. Both are sick (IMO), however those engaging in pederasty believe they are "educating" the child about sexual issues while a pedophile believes he is in a romantic relationship with someone who mutually loves him. Pederasty normally occurs near puberty while pedophilia is before puberty.
We both know NAMBLA is on some other ish.They truly believe current laws violate the civil (and sexual) rights of children. I'm going to stop there because I'm sure I've come off as judgemental enough.
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Oct 3, 2010 18:46:48 GMT -5
Anybody who goes along with abusing children is sick. Religion or beliefs are no excuse. I will definitely judge someone and deem them as sick, evil, and wretched for encouraging sexual abuse against kids. Anybody who supports their views is a sick person as well. There is nothing for me to understand. It is disgusting.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Oct 3, 2010 20:40:31 GMT -5
VP there is a difference between pedophilia and pederasty. Both are sick (IMO), however those engaging in pederasty believe they are "educating" the child about sexual issues while a pedophile believes he is in a romantic relationship with someone who mutually loves him. Pederasty normally occurs near puberty while pedophilia is before puberty. We both know NAMBLA is on some other ish.They truly believe current laws violate the civil (and sexual) rights of children. I'm going to stop there because I'm sure I've come off as judgemental enough. WTF? Soooo a pedophile believes he is in a loving relationship? GTFOH. I can give a damn the intent of a man who sexually abuses a child. Lets see if you stand by your words with a correlation shall we.. What's the difference between a Thief who robs banks for self vs a theif who robs banks and gives back to the community. Their intent's are different but the ACTION is the same. What's the difference between a stalker who rapes a woman and in his mind they are together vs a Serial Rapist who does it for the control effect? Their intents are different but again the ACTION is the same. Pedophila has its roots in religous "teaching". As a matter of fact listen to what you have just stated then go and read the claims of Eddie Longs accusers. Sounds familiar doesn't it? |
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Post by peppermint on Oct 4, 2010 15:08:06 GMT -5
The claims of Eddie Long would possibly fall under pedastry. I didn't say I agree with it but intent does matter when you are looking at the potential affects. The child who believes he was being "taught" about sexuality will view his predator as a teacher. The child who believes he was in a relationship views the predator as a lover.
The action is harmful either way but the experience is different because of the intent. People do have different views on thieves who rob for "selfish" reasons than those who rob for "community."
APIL- Since this is the religious section and folks get up in arms about "judgement" I'll refrain.
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