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Post by peppermint on May 5, 2010 21:31:35 GMT -5
A friend of mine was telling me today about a radio show. On the show, the minister was saying that the serpent represented the beginning of feminism, hence the "fall" of godly women. What y'all think?
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 6, 2010 4:42:40 GMT -5
I don't really get the point of why The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was planted in the garden in the first place. Humans were screwed from day one.
From my understanding, if Adam and Eve did not eat from that tree, they would have lived in blissful ignorance. But since they did eat, humans have to live out a life of suffering with the intellect to make changes.
So life would suck either way.
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Post by peppermint on May 6, 2010 13:42:26 GMT -5
Interesting way to view it...
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 6, 2010 20:02:11 GMT -5
My question about Genesis is why does it talk about 'We'? It speaks about humans were created in 'our' image, like there is more than one God.
No one has ever been able to honestly answer that question.
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Post by Hummy Jones on May 7, 2010 14:14:00 GMT -5
Interesting. Ok, so maybe APIL needs to stick with the religion threads because he actually be making some type of sense.
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Post by peppermint on May 7, 2010 14:20:57 GMT -5
My question about Genesis is why does it talk about 'We'? It speaks about humans were created in 'our' image, like there is more than one God. No one has ever been able to honestly answer that question. Most answer this by pointing out the Holy Trinity. Not sure your take on that. Back to the original question *side eyeing APIL* What of the serpent representing feminism? |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 7, 2010 14:32:13 GMT -5
My question about Genesis is why does it talk about 'We'? It speaks about humans were created in 'our' image, like there is more than one God. No one has ever been able to honestly answer that question. Most answer this by pointing out the Holy Trinity. Not sure your take on that. Back to the original question *side eyeing APIL* What of the serpent representing feminism? I am not buying the Holy Trinity argument. Throughout the rest of the Bible, I do not recall God being referred to as "we" or "us". The serpent was the Devil in disguise. This is why it was talking. The serpent seduced Eve to eat of the tree, and then Eve got Adam to eat of the tree also. So two dummies got tricked by a snake, and now life is hard. These things make no sense to me. |
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Post by peppermint on May 7, 2010 14:37:02 GMT -5
You bring up a good point about the rest of the Bible. Very good point, sir...
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 7, 2010 19:47:15 GMT -5
Another thought about the Bible that makes no sense to me revolves around the resurrection of Jesus.
I have heard pastors say that He rose on the 3rd day. How can truly be? If He died on a Friday (Good Friday) and rose on a Sunday morning (Easter), that means he was only dead for two days. The math does not add up. He must have really either died on Thursday and rose on Sunday or died on Friday and rose on Monday.
I am no atheist, but I do have questions that most holy folk can't answer without condemning me to Hell.
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Post by peppermint on May 8, 2010 0:18:23 GMT -5
*sigh* @ being condemned. Sometimes on here you come off as faceitous so I'm going with they probably don't think you're being serious. I don't know if you are being serious but to my understanding, according to the Jewish calendar, it would have been a Thursday because days were counted evening to morning. The first "full day" would have been Friday, hence Good Friday.
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 8, 2010 0:53:36 GMT -5
*sigh* @ being condemned. Sometimes on here you come off as faceitous so I'm going with they probably don't think you're being serious. I don't know if you are being serious but to my understanding, according to the Jewish calendar, it would have been a Thursday because days were counted evening to morning. The first "full day" would have been Friday, hence Good Friday. I never knew that. I am not familiar with Judaism. As far as me being serious, I have moments of levity in which I can engage posters on a variety of topics with breadth and depth. But most of the time, it is more fun to get under people's skin. People think that I am Nupey just because I have divergent opinions. Do people think that Nupey is the only black male in a fraternity who has divergent viewpoints? This just goes to show that the black consciousness is pretty conservative when it comes to accepting people.  |
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Post by nsync on May 10, 2010 9:48:17 GMT -5
^^^^ or maybe it's just the people on this board and those like them. The first few years here I REALLY TRULY believed I was in the twilight zone. It felt like a reoccuring nightmare---except I couldn't stop falling asleep to avoid it. lol
Anyhow,
Pep, Im truly not understanding the talk show topic.
Is the f"all of holy women" an already known concept. I need more clarity please.
One thing that I'd like to point out---when folks blame everything on Eve---is--God did not tell Eve not to eat the apple. He told Adam before Eve was even created.Correct me if I am wrong.
Therefore when Eve gave Adam the apple to eat HE had first hand knowledge and direction. He should have said no. Yet he ate it. Then when questioned he immediately blamed her, when he was the leader not vice versa.
When Eve ate the apple nothing. When Adam ate the apple fall of mankind.
So uruh Adam could have saved us all but he did not display good leadership skills.
So if anything it was the beginning of patriarchy(men leading us down the wrong path yet demanding leader status just because they have a penis, but not because they actually earned it) not feminism.
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Post by Chal™ on May 10, 2010 11:33:13 GMT -5
One thing that I'd like to point out---when folks blame everything on Eve---is-- God did not tell Eve not to eat the apple. He told Adam before Eve was even created.Correct me if I am wrong. Therefore when Eve gave Adam the apple to eat HE had first hand knowledge and direction. He should have said no. Yet he ate it. Then when questioned he immediately blamed her, when he was the leader not vice versa. When Eve ate the apple nothing. When Adam ate the apple fall of mankind. So uruh Adam could have saved us all but he did not display good leadership skills. So if anything it was the beginning of patriarchy(men leading us down the wrong path yet demanding leader status just because they have a penis, but not because they actually earned it) not feminism. this is my understanding as well. God talked to ADAM, not EVE. It was Adam's position to school her on that. When he saw that she had eaten the fruit, he should have stepped back and let God handle that. Another woman could have easily been provided for him. Just makes it seem like man has gone foolish over women since the beginning. |
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Post by Gee-Are on May 10, 2010 13:49:15 GMT -5
this is my understanding as well. God talked to ADAM, not EVE. It was Adam's position to school her on that. When he saw that she had eaten the fruit, he should have stepped back and let God handle that. Another woman could have easily been provided for him. Just makes it seem like man has gone foolish over women since the beginning.Guess it would seem like women have presented men with foolish notions since the beginning too, huh?  ;D |
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Post by Chal™ on May 10, 2010 16:12:56 GMT -5
if you wanna look at it that way. BUT, instead of walking away, men fall for it everytime. They can't help it. it's hereditary. lol
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 10, 2010 19:11:22 GMT -5
if you wanna look at it that way. BUT, instead of walking away, men fall for it everytime. They can't help it. it's hereditary. lol That is pretty sexist. |
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Post by peppermint on May 10, 2010 20:39:31 GMT -5
Outtie, the host suggested that the serpent introduced Eve to the idea of independent thinking and equality (being equal to God, equal to Adam). This sparked her to "get on their level" or the notion of feminism.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 11, 2010 7:16:01 GMT -5
This thread is kinda funny. Adam and Eve in the context of this story never existed. The woman is the embodiment of the sacred feminine creative force. All religions seek to suppress and destroy this fact. Simple. Carry on with the scheduled programming.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 11, 2010 7:56:31 GMT -5
*sigh* @ being condemned. Sometimes on here you come off as faceitous so I'm going with they probably don't think you're being serious. I don't know if you are being serious but to my understanding, according to the Jewish calendar, it would have been a Thursday because days were counted evening to morning. The first "full day" would have been Friday, hence Good Friday. I never knew that. I am not familiar with Judaism. As far as me being serious, I have moments of levity in which I can engage posters on a variety of topics with breadth and depth. But most of the time, it is more fun to get under people's skin. People think that I am Nupey just because I have divergent opinions. Do people think that Nupey is the only black male in a fraternity who has divergent viewpoints? This just goes to show that the black consciousness is pretty conservative when it comes to accepting people. I'll go out on a limb and say that you ARE Nopey. Furthermore you can't engage anyone sanely in an argument because it would expose your naiveté concerning the subject. For example.... if you don't know anything about Judaism then why the fuck are you offering commentary on this subject matter. Is not Adam and Eve a Judaic creation myth? Wouldn't it be advantageous of you to inform yourself about the foundations of this myth before offering any type of opinion? Ignorance will never be accepted. |
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Post by Chal™ on May 11, 2010 11:34:33 GMT -5
if you wanna look at it that way. BUT, instead of walking away, men fall for it everytime. They can't help it. it's hereditary. lol That is pretty sexist. it was a joke. keep moving. |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 11, 2010 21:00:19 GMT -5
I never knew that. I am not familiar with Judaism. As far as me being serious, I have moments of levity in which I can engage posters on a variety of topics with breadth and depth. But most of the time, it is more fun to get under people's skin. People think that I am Nupey just because I have divergent opinions. Do people think that Nupey is the only black male in a fraternity who has divergent viewpoints? This just goes to show that the black consciousness is pretty conservative when it comes to accepting people. if you don't know anything about Judaism then why the fuck are you offering commentary on this subject matter. Is not Adam and Eve a Judaic creation myth? The story of Adam and Eve is in the King James version of the Bible. The Bible is for Christians. What the hell are you smoking, lil nigga? Keep your buffoonery to yourself.  |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 11, 2010 21:21:11 GMT -5
if you don't know anything about Judaism then why the fuck are you offering commentary on this subject matter. Is not Adam and Eve a Judaic creation myth? The story of Adam and Eve is in the King James version of the Bible. The Bible is for Christians. What the hell are you smoking, lil nigga? Keep your buffoonery to yourself. Thanks for proving my point to the class. Judaism is derived from a work that is appropriately called the Tanakh. The Tanakh starts off with 5 books called the Torah. These 5 books are: Genesis, Exodus,Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. Christianity and Islam incorporated and added on to these works. So again Adam and Eve is a Judaic myth from the Judaic text called Gensis or in Hebrew Bereshith. Now remove your dumb ass from the conversation chump. Same chit new name. |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 11, 2010 22:00:45 GMT -5
The story of Adam and Eve is in the King James version of the Bible. The Bible is for Christians. What the hell are you smoking, lil nigga? Keep your buffoonery to yourself. Thanks for proving my point to the class. Judaism is derived from a work that is appropriately called the Tanakh. The Tanakh starts off with 5 books called the Torah. These 5 books are: Genesis, Exodus,Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. Christianity and Islam incorporated and added on to these works. So again Adam and Eve is a Judaic myth from the Judaic text called Gensis or in Hebrew Bereshith. Now remove your dumb ass from the conversation chump. Same chit new name. Those are the five books that Moses wrote, correct? |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 11, 2010 22:20:55 GMT -5
Thanks for proving my point to the class. Judaism is derived from a work that is appropriately called the Tanakh. The Tanakh starts off with 5 books called the Torah. These 5 books are: Genesis, Exodus,Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. Christianity and Islam incorporated and added on to these works. So again Adam and Eve is a Judaic myth from the Judaic text called Gensis or in Hebrew Bereshith. Now remove your dumb ass from the conversation chump. Same chit new name. Those are the five books that Moses wrote, correct? Get the fuck outta the thread gump. You just made an absolute ass out of yourself. You grew up in the church and learned NOTHING. damn shame. Now all see why you refuse to engage sanely on ANY topic. You're dumb. It's simple. lol |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 11, 2010 22:40:36 GMT -5
Those are the five books that Moses wrote, correct? Get the fuck outta the thread gump. You just made an absolute ass out of yourself. You grew up in the church and learned NOTHING. damn shame. Now all see why you refuse to engage sanely on ANY topic. You're dumb. It's simple. lol Let's discuss " WFY" |
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Post by Julie Art on May 11, 2010 22:41:57 GMT -5
Rotfl! Outtie that is the best response yet to the whole fall of humanity being placed on woman/Eve! ^^^^ or maybe it's just the people on this board and those like them. The first few years here I REALLY TRULY believed I was in the twilight zone. It felt like a reoccuring nightmare---except I couldn't stop falling asleep to avoid it. lol Anyhow, Pep, Im truly not understanding the talk show topic. Is the f"all of holy women" an already known concept. I need more clarity please. One thing that I'd like to point out---when folks blame everything on Eve---is-- God did not tell Eve not to eat the apple. He told Adam before Eve was even created.Correct me if I am wrong. Therefore when Eve gave Adam the apple to eat HE had first hand knowledge and direction. He should have said no. Yet he ate it. Then when questioned he immediately blamed her, when he was the leader not vice versa. When Eve ate the apple nothing. When Adam ate the apple fall of mankind. So uruh Adam could have saved us all but he did not display good leadership skills. So if anything it was the beginning of patriarchy(men leading us down the wrong path yet demanding leader status just because they have a penis, but not because they actually earned it) not feminism. |
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on May 11, 2010 22:59:56 GMT -5
Rotfl! Outtie that is the best response yet to the whole fall of humanity being placed on woman/Eve! ^^^^ or maybe it's just the people on this board and those like them. The first few years here I REALLY TRULY believed I was in the twilight zone. It felt like a reoccuring nightmare---except I couldn't stop falling asleep to avoid it. lol Anyhow, Pep, Im truly not understanding the talk show topic. Is the f"all of holy women" an already known concept. I need more clarity please. One thing that I'd like to point out---when folks blame everything on Eve---is--God did not tell Eve not to eat the apple. He told Adam before Eve was even created.Correct me if I am wrong.
Therefore when Eve gave Adam the apple to eat HE had first hand knowledge and direction. He should have said no. Yet he ate it. Then when questioned he immediately blamed her, when he was the leader not vice versa.
When Eve ate the apple nothing. When Adam ate the apple fall of mankind.So uruh Adam could have saved us all but he did not display good leadership skills. So if anything it was the beginning of patriarchy(men leading us down the wrong path yet demanding leader status just because they have a penis, but not because they actually earned it) not feminism. EXALT!!! I've only heard one other person bring this up and that's Keith. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 12, 2010 11:36:07 GMT -5
Lemme be the Referee here.....
Genesis 3:2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
So as per the story the woman (whom at that time had no name) new the command from the so-called God. She said it to the Serpent.
Okay nowwwwwwww action!
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Post by nsync on May 12, 2010 12:23:12 GMT -5
Thanks Loggie.
VP no where in the bible does it indicate the God directly told Eve not to eat the fruit. Yet it shows that He did tell Adam. Once this verse hits you are left up to speculation. Maybe God did tell her. Maybe Adam told her. Maybe she was just making up stuff. Maybe ....
So yes Eve was aware that she should not eat the fruit. Yet the responsibility was CLEARLY given to Adam by God. That was the point I was making.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 12, 2010 14:33:34 GMT -5
Thanks Loggie. VP no where in the bible does it indicate the God directly told Eve not to eat the fruit. Yet it shows that He did tell Adam. Once this verse hits you are left up to speculation. Maybe God did tell her. Maybe Adam told her. Maybe she was just making up stuff. Maybe .... So yes Eve was aware that she should not eat the fruit. Yet the responsibility was CLEARLY given to Adam by God. That was the point I was making. If you are attempting to win this debate you are going down the wrong path. As I broughtup in the Satan's Perfection thread Satan NEVER speaks to Adam as well. So now you arrive at an empass. "God" never speaks to Eve...... The Serpent never speaks to Adam. Since Eve didn't speak with the "God" (as I also raised earlier which everyone in this post now bandwagons on not realizing you were against this very thing I brought up earlier) she never is condemned to death per the story. She is never shown to die ever. Atleast I see growth whether yall realize it or not. lol Carry on |
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