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Post by frozenmenace on Apr 30, 2010 15:07:54 GMT -5
I WASN'T GOING ANYWAY BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS MY CHURCH CONVENTION IN FLORIDA. BUT NOW I WISH I COULD GO. NEVER BEEN TO LAS VEGAS.  |
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Post by Robelite on Apr 30, 2010 15:10:14 GMT -5
One thing about moving to Vegas....the attendance will likely increase.
I'm excited about North Carolina in '11...Alpha South in Raleigh in March, and the national in Charlotte in July. DRIVING DISTANCE!
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Post by frozenmenace on Apr 30, 2010 15:13:46 GMT -5
One thing about moving to Vegas....the attendance will likely increase. I'm excited about North Carolina in '11...Alpha South in Raleigh in March, and the national in Charlotte in July. DRIVING DISTANCE! From what I have been told, National will not be in Charlotte in 2011. |
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Post by Oren Ishii on Apr 30, 2010 15:13:55 GMT -5
DANG...
Talk about doing big things!
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Apr 30, 2010 17:55:18 GMT -5
damn, the Alphas got ran out of AZ like that?
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Post by Hummy Jones on Apr 30, 2010 18:06:44 GMT -5
damn, the Alphas got ran out of AZ like that? I'm pretty sure they moved because of all the things that are happening in AZ right now. That state is not doing some of the most biggest things in the world. |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Apr 30, 2010 18:36:14 GMT -5
damn, the Alphas got ran out of AZ like that? I'm pretty sure they moved because of all the things that are happening in AZ right now. That state is not doing some of the most biggest things in the world. It doesn't matter what is going on in Arizona. It does not involve Black people. The Alphas should have stood their ground. Blacks can't let White America's racism for Hispanics affect them. It is too bad that A Phi A caved in. |
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Post by Robelite on May 1, 2010 0:15:24 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they moved because of all the things that are happening in AZ right now. That state is not doing some of the most biggest things in the world. It doesn't matter what is going on in Arizona. It does not involve Black people. The Alphas should have stood their ground. Blacks can't let White America's racism for Hispanics affect them. It is too bad that A Phi A caved in. WTF? First, you made the ignorant statement that we were RUN out of AZ. Yeah, I'm sure AZ and Phoenix in particular were happy to see an international organization PULL OUT/CANCEL its general convention in it's largest city. Second..."it doesn't involve Black people?" You are really beginning to remind of another dim wit who used to post here a while back. Our esteeemed and Nobel Prize winning brother, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." What he meant by that (since you obviously don't know) is that to allow this mandate to be set down in AZ (a racial profiling law...nothing more, nothing less) would open the door to these same kinds of laws being pushed in other states in the union. And while you very mindlessly state that it doesn't involve black people, how damned long do you think it will be before black, brown, red and any other color but white will be at the mercy of law enforcement in a police state? As members of an organization with a history of servant leadership, we chose not to sit by while such an obvioulsy racist law is set down oppress a group of people under the guise of controlling the legitimate problem of illegal immigration. Sometimes, it's better to sit back and watch and listen than to try to offer commentary, esp when your commentary makes you appear to be an idiot. From all appearances, you could possibly be a FALSE News viewer. |
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Post by Robelite on May 1, 2010 0:18:19 GMT -5
One thing about moving to Vegas....the attendance will likely increase. I'm excited about North Carolina in '11...Alpha South in Raleigh in March, and the national in Charlotte in July. DRIVING DISTANCE! From what I have been told, National will not be in Charlotte in 2011. Has it been moved? I have not heard that. |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 1, 2010 1:04:03 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what is going on in Arizona. It does not involve Black people. The Alphas should have stood their ground. Blacks can't let White America's racism for Hispanics affect them. It is too bad that A Phi A caved in. WTF? First, you made the ignorant statement that we were RUN out of AZ. Yeah, I'm sure AZ and Phoenix in particular were happy to see an international organization PULL OUT/CANCEL its general convention in it's largest city. Second..."it doesn't involve Black people?" You are really beginning to remind of another dim wit who used to post here a while back. Our esteeemed and Nobel Prize winning brother, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." What he meant by that (since you obviously don't know) is that to allow this mandate to be set down in AZ (a racial profiling law...nothing more, nothing less) would open the door to these same kinds of laws being pushed in other states in the union. And while you very mindlessly state that it doesn't involve black people, how damned long do you think it will be before black, brown, red and any other color but white will be at the mercy of law enforcement in a police state? As members of an organization with a history of servant leadership, we chose not to sit by while such an obvioulsy racist law is set down oppress a group of people under the guise of controlling the legitimate problem of illegal immigration. Sometimes, it's better to sit back and watch and listen than to try to offer commentary, esp when your commentary makes you appear to be an idiot. From all appearances, you could possibly be a FALSE News viewer. Man, please. When is the last time a group of Hispanic people helped out Blacks? Most Hispanics do not like African-Americans. They see blacks as lazy, loud, and ignorant. They are not interested in anyone besides themselves. Stop it with the MLK quotes too. That does not make your argument any more valid or intelligent. Dr. King was a great man, but he would not be respected by the young black people of today. Today's black youth are not really interested in organizing or protesting. Besides, what is moving the convention going to solve? If anything, the Alphas should have organized with the Hispanic leaders in the area and had a protest. The Alphas didn't want any heat and backed out of the situation. And you think I watch False (Fox) News? I hate politics. Politics is really for white people who are too afraid to take responsibility for their own failings and shortcomings. Black people should never get involved in politics. 13% of a population with no money or power (black people) are of little concern outside of sports or entertainment. Thank you, kind sir! |
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Post by Alc 06 on May 1, 2010 6:36:36 GMT -5
WTF? First, you made the ignorant statement that we were RUN out of AZ. Yeah, I'm sure AZ and Phoenix in particular were happy to see an international organization PULL OUT/CANCEL its general convention in it's largest city. Second..."it doesn't involve Black people?" You are really beginning to remind of another dim wit who used to post here a while back. Our esteeemed and Nobel Prize winning brother, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." What he meant by that (since you obviously don't know) is that to allow this mandate to be set down in AZ (a racial profiling law...nothing more, nothing less) would open the door to these same kinds of laws being pushed in other states in the union. And while you very mindlessly state that it doesn't involve black people, how damned long do you think it will be before black, brown, red and any other color but white will be at the mercy of law enforcement in a police state? As members of an organization with a history of servant leadership, we chose not to sit by while such an obvioulsy racist law is set down oppress a group of people under the guise of controlling the legitimate problem of illegal immigration. Sometimes, it's better to sit back and watch and listen than to try to offer commentary, esp when your commentary makes you appear to be an idiot. From all appearances, you could possibly be a FALSE News viewer. Man, please. When is the last time a group of Hispanic people helped out Blacks? Most Hispanics do not like African-Americans. They see blacks as lazy, loud, and ignorant. They are not interested in anyone besides themselves. Stop it with the MLK quotes too. That does not make your argument any more valid or intelligent. Dr. King was a great man, but he would not be respected by the young black people of today. Today's black youth are not really interested in organizing or protesting. Besides, what is moving the convention going to solve? If anything, the Alphas should have organized with the Hispanic leaders in the area and had a protest. The Alphas didn't want any heat and backed out of the situation. And you think I watch False (Fox) News? I hate politics. Politics is really for white people who are too afraid to take responsibility for their own failings and shortcomings. Black people should never get involved in politics. 13% of a population with no money or power (black people) are of little concern outside of sports or entertainment. Thank you, kind sir! 2 things: 1) You say that blacks shouldn't get involved with politics, but previously said that Alpha should organize a protest with organize leaders. 2) Are you saying that we do not need, or should not have, blacks represented in office and/or politics? In regard to the law, who says that AZ police officers won't pull over African-Americans under the auspice of "i pulled you over because I need to verify that you're an American citizen and not an African one". The law is aimed at Mexican immigrants, but definitely isn't limited to them. |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 1, 2010 10:07:13 GMT -5
^ Alc 06:
We all know this law is aimed at Hispanics, and more specifically aimed at illegal immigrants from Mexico. Police aren't going to pull over white people to see if they are illegal European immigrants. And the cops are going to pull over black people for being black. They aren't going to make a distinction between an African black, a Carribean black, or an American black.
And yes, I personally think politics does very little to make a difference. Maybe it does in the long term, but I don't rely on lies from politicians to sustain me.
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Post by Alc 06 on May 1, 2010 10:43:34 GMT -5
But you also said that
"It doesn't matter what is going on in Arizona. It does not involve Black people". Then you acknowledge that cops going to pull over black people.
What do you rely on to sustain you? Would you rather blacks not get involved in politics at all, so that white lawmakers can slide any and every law through that they choose?
And why should we show up in Arizona, and stimulate their local economy by buying food, hotel rooms, transportation, etc? It's the same as the NCAA in regards to South Carolina, refusing to hold major college sporting events as long as the confederate flag still flies.
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Post by Robelite on May 1, 2010 13:38:03 GMT -5
WTF? First, you made the ignorant statement that we were RUN out of AZ. Yeah, I'm sure AZ and Phoenix in particular were happy to see an international organization PULL OUT/CANCEL its general convention in it's largest city. Second..."it doesn't involve Black people?" You are really beginning to remind of another dim wit who used to post here a while back. Our esteeemed and Nobel Prize winning brother, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." What he meant by that (since you obviously don't know) is that to allow this mandate to be set down in AZ (a racial profiling law...nothing more, nothing less) would open the door to these same kinds of laws being pushed in other states in the union. And while you very mindlessly state that it doesn't involve black people, how damned long do you think it will be before black, brown, red and any other color but white will be at the mercy of law enforcement in a police state? As members of an organization with a history of servant leadership, we chose not to sit by while such an obvioulsy racist law is set down oppress a group of people under the guise of controlling the legitimate problem of illegal immigration. Sometimes, it's better to sit back and watch and listen than to try to offer commentary, esp when your commentary makes you appear to be an idiot. From all appearances, you could possibly be a FALSE News viewer. Man, please. When is the last time a group of Hispanic people helped out Blacks? Most Hispanics do not like African-Americans. They see blacks as lazy, loud, and ignorant. They are not interested in anyone besides themselves. Stop it with the MLK quotes too. That does not make your argument any more valid or intelligent. Dr. King was a great man, but he would not be respected by the young black people of today. Today's black youth are not really interested in organizing or protesting. Besides, what is moving the convention going to solve? If anything, the Alphas should have organized with the Hispanic leaders in the area and had a protest. The Alphas didn't want any heat and backed out of the situation. And you think I watch False (Fox) News? I hate politics. Politics is really for white people who are too afraid to take responsibility for their own failings and shortcomings. Black people should never get involved in politics. 13% of a population with no money or power (black people) are of little concern outside of sports or entertainment. Thank you, kind sir! And you became the spokesperson for Mexican Americans/Hispanics, when?  The King quote was more than appropriate since Dr. King was a champion of CIVIL RIGHTS, not just black, white, red or yellow, but for ALL PEOPLE. Just as I suspected, you didn't know what it meant when I posted it above. Alphas didn't want any heat....hell, heat from WHO? No one challenged Alpha Phi Alpha to stay or go. The decision of the fraternity to move was based on the sentiments of the great majority of active brothers who all but DEMANDED that our leadership move this conference....nobody dared us to do a damned thing. You said you hate politics...perhaps you need to learn to love them or at least try to understand them because eventually they will shape much of what you will be able to do and say, come and go as a citizen of this nation. You'd better get somewhere and read AND LEARN some history! You seem to be lacking in knowledge of just what has gone on in this country over the last couple of centuries, and how it could come back to haunt us if there are too many people lke the legislators in AZ and folks like you. |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 1, 2010 15:10:49 GMT -5
^Poor black thing.
You are still stuck in the past. Continue with the "we shall overcome" rallying cries. Keep begging the white man for freedom and rights. Meanwhile, smart black people like me will be out taking what they want.
It is 2010 and black people still think that there will be some Black Messiah to come along and save the day. It ain't happening.
Also, studying history is not going to improve things. I already know all about slavery and prejudice. Crying about the old days is not going change anything. Black people need to get money because money = knowledge in today's world.
I have already 'overcome'. What are waiting on, brotha?
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Post by Bunny Hop on May 1, 2010 15:14:16 GMT -5
Money = knowledge...that is the most ridiculous things I think I've ever seen on here.
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 1, 2010 16:04:19 GMT -5
Money = knowledge...that is the most ridiculous things I think I've ever seen on here. It's not as ridiculous as it sounds. People fight hard and long battles to attain knowledge. But these efforts are mostly fought in vain. Having money and knowing how to use that money will open up doors that no amount of sacrifice and struggle could ever do. I am still amazed at how little educated people know about success in this nation. All one has to do is follow the money in order to gain knowledge. This whole financial crisis is all about money. If knowledge were so valuable, then why are educated people losing their jobs and houses? Do you see how little intellect is valued in this nation? A smart business person often has people that are smarter than him working for him. The people with the money hire and fire the intellects on a daily basis. Anyway, I know that 98% of you guys here will read my posts with a great deal of shock, horror, disbelief, and arrogance. This does not change the facts that knowledge without money is not valued. I just wish that people would realize that money brings a great deal of knowledge; knowledge that cannot be gained in textbooks, lecture halls, Lodges, or churches. |
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Post by ORACLE on May 1, 2010 19:12:49 GMT -5
One thing about moving to Vegas....the attendance will likely increase. I'm excited about North Carolina in '11...Alpha South in Raleigh in March, and the national in Charlotte in July. DRIVING DISTANCE! I don't know about nationals being here in Charlotte, but I am highly excited that regionals will be in Raleigh. It should have been in Charlotte though. The AKAs just had regionals in Raleigh and they said the city was lame. |
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Post by Robelite on May 1, 2010 22:22:05 GMT -5
^Poor black thing. You are still stuck in the past. Continue with the "we shall overcome" rallying cries. Keep begging the white man for freedom and rights. Meanwhile, smart black people like me will be out taking what they want. It is 2010 and black people still think that there will be some Black Messiah to come along and save the day. It ain't happening. Also, studying history is not going to improve things. I already know all about slavery and prejudice. Crying about the old days is not going change anything. Black people need to get money because money = knowledge in today's world. I have already 'overcome'. What are waiting on, brotha? Just as I stated earlier...you have a hell of a lot to learn! You'd better get started!! There is much catching up for you to do! |
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Post by Robelite on May 1, 2010 22:24:32 GMT -5
Money = knowledge...that is the most ridiculous things I think I've ever seen on here. Just goes to show the mindset of many young folks these days. No wonder they're killing each other in the streets over bullschit! Out "taking what they want," as this apil person stated...taking what DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM and killing those they take it from is more often the case!! |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 2, 2010 17:37:09 GMT -5
^Poor black thing. You are still stuck in the past. Continue with the "we shall overcome" rallying cries. Keep begging the white man for freedom and rights. Meanwhile, smart black people like me will be out taking what they want. It is 2010 and black people still think that there will be some Black Messiah to come along and save the day. It ain't happening. Also, studying history is not going to improve things. I already know all about slavery and prejudice. Crying about the old days is not going change anything. Black people need to get money because money = knowledge in today's world. I have already 'overcome'. What are waiting on, brotha? Just as I stated earlier...you have a hell of a lot to learn! You'd better get started!! There is much catching up for you to do! The past is not important. It is all about today. I do not live in history, because I am making history. Get with the times or get left behind. |
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Post by Oldskool on May 2, 2010 17:54:47 GMT -5
*whispers in Rob's ear* apil is harmless. Don't let him get under your skin. He says s*** like this all the time. He needs the attention...don't give it to him.  |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 2, 2010 18:27:47 GMT -5
Money = knowledge...that is the most ridiculous things I think I've ever seen on here. Just goes to show the mindset of many young folks these days. No wonder they're killing each other in the streets over bullschit! Out "taking what they want," as this apil person stated...taking what DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM and killing those they take it from is more often the case!! I never mentioned killing anyone. Taking what you want in life is really about not accepting rejection and settling for complacency. Most people just blindly follow rules and laws without really asking if they make sense or are beneficial. Today's youth are suffering because they are being taught antiquated knowledge by people who are bitter and afraid of change. I always hear older Brothers putting down the young Brothers in my frat. This is only done because the youth do things their own way. It hurts the older folks' pride that the 'old way' is not the best way to do things. I always encourage the youth to NOT do things the old way if a newer way is better. This includes silly stuff like 'learning from the past' and 'keeping tradition'. If that makes me a fool or ignorant, so be it. I would rather fail on my own than to acheive mediocre success from copying old stuff. It is all about today! |
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Post by Oldskool on May 2, 2010 18:45:11 GMT -5
Just goes to show the mindset of many young folks these days. No wonder they're killing each other in the streets over bullschit! Out "taking what they want," as this apil person stated...taking what DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM and killing those they take it from is more often the case!! I never mentioned killing anyone. Taking what you want in life is really about not accepting rejection and settling for complacency. Most people just blindly follow rules and laws without really asking if they make sense or are beneficial. Today's youth are suffering because they are being taught antiquated knowledge by people who are bitter and afraid of change. I always hear older Brothers putting down the young Brothers in my frat. This is only done because the youth do things their own way. It hurts the older folks' pride that the 'old way' is not the best way to do things. I always encourage the youth to NOT do things the old way if a newer way is better. This includes silly stuff like 'learning from the past' and 'keeping tradition'. If that makes me a fool or ignorant, so be it. I would rather fail on my own than to acheive mediocre success from copying old stuff. It is all about today! Okay apil, do you actually think there would even be a frat if someone from the "old way" didn't have a bright idea? Do you know the meaning of the word Pioneer? Do you know anything about black history at all? Do you think that all the things you enjoy today are here by accident?. You are more stupid than I initially thought. The "mediocre success" you speak of is the reason you are allowed to see blacks on TV, in space programs, living in nice neighborhoods, in Carnegie hall, president of the USA, etc. You need to be embracing your trail blazers instead of berating them with rhetoric and bulls****. I am not impressed with your blatant display of disrespect of MY pioneers, founders, and trailblazers. |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 2, 2010 19:10:49 GMT -5
My refusal to worship my ancestors will lead me to bear the burden of success all on my own.
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Post by AKAShannon on May 2, 2010 20:18:50 GMT -5
Personally, I agree with the of Alphas, taking the lead once again!
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Post by Troopa1911 on May 3, 2010 7:53:09 GMT -5
Kongrats to the Alphas for stepping out of Arizona.
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Post by Alc 06 on May 3, 2010 8:29:51 GMT -5
Just goes to show the mindset of many young folks these days. No wonder they're killing each other in the streets over bullschit! Out "taking what they want," as this apil person stated...taking what DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM and killing those they take it from is more often the case!! I never mentioned killing anyone. Taking what you want in life is really about not accepting rejection and settling for complacency. Most people just blindly follow rules and laws without really asking if they make sense or are beneficial. Today's youth are suffering because they are being taught antiquated knowledge by people who are bitter and afraid of change. I always hear older Brothers putting down the young Brothers in my frat. This is only done because the youth do things their own way. It hurts the older folks' pride that the 'old way' is not the best way to do things. I always encourage the youth to NOT do things the old way if a newer way is better. This includes silly stuff like 'learning from the past' and 'keeping tradition'. If that makes me a fool or ignorant, so be it. I would rather fail on my own than to acheive mediocre success from copying old stuff. It is all about today! So, by that logic, future youth should ignore everything you've said and done TODAY, right? |
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Post by Blu on May 3, 2010 11:33:44 GMT -5
Had to add my congrats to the Alphas for taking a stand. I know changing this late in the game can't be too easy an endeavor.
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Post by Cambist on May 4, 2010 7:14:28 GMT -5
1. Nupey I mean Apil.... You are misguided, miseducated and misinformed in more ways than one but I welcome you to the board all the same. You are ignorant but not stupid (i've actually partially agreed with you on some things) You seem civil and that's all I require for discourse. Every king's court needs a jester. Glad to see you in your funny hat and pointy shoes.
2. With #1 in mind, I actually suggested we stay in Arizona and hold a protest, public debates on the topic, hold information seminars, etc...This all could have been done in the name of training our membership for civil leadership. Despite my preference to stay in AZ, I understand the move to Vegas and support the General President's decision.
3. 2011 is in Chicago
4. This is not about a particular race. Righetousness doesn't know race. You stand up for what's right, regardless of who is being harmed. That's the sign of a righetous man/woman. To claim that we shouldn't involve ourselves in this fight because "the Mexicans don't even like us" (regardless of whether that is true or not) is a copout.
We stand up for truth and justice...not for individuals. The individual could be a Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan but if his civil rights are truly being violated, every American should stand in solidarity with him and against oppression. We stand up for the civil right. If I totally disagreed with the President of the United States, i'm not going to disrespect him...because I respect the office. Same principle.
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