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Post by frozenmenace on Apr 29, 2010 12:56:13 GMT -5
I'm sure that this has been discussed before, but what the hay, I'm bringing it up again. It seems that there is often a divide between those who crossed undergrad and those who crossed grad. A lot of assumptions are made, as well has a lot of judgments. If you have some form of prejudicial thoughts when it comes to one or the other, speak on it...and KEEP IT REAL!
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 29, 2010 13:01:59 GMT -5
Ok, on the real. If you had an active ugrad chapter at your school and never pursued, but as soon as you graduate you go grad, I am looking at you kinda sideways.
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Post by frozenmenace on Apr 29, 2010 13:04:35 GMT -5
Ok, on the real. If you had an active ugrad chapter at your school and never pursued, but as soon as you graduate you go grad, I am looking at you kinda sideways. I agree with you on that one. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Apr 29, 2010 13:07:49 GMT -5
So how long do you continue to look sideways at that person before it is no longer an issue?
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Post by T-Rex91 on Apr 29, 2010 13:09:19 GMT -5
I'm with JA. You're fresh out of UG trying to pledge Grad? I assume either some mess went down with you and the chapter or you were short sighted and didn't like the UG chapter's rep so you boycotted. I typically check the database to see if your UG chapter was suspended. That's the only excuse.
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Post by T-Rex91 on Apr 29, 2010 13:11:43 GMT -5
So how long do you continue to look sideways at that person before it is no longer an issue? Until they do/say something of substance. I also look at Grads sideways who are clearly looking for that UG experience. We're grown dammit...get over all that. Those people get branded much longer by me. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Apr 29, 2010 13:11:49 GMT -5
I'm with JA. You're fresh out of UG trying to pledge Grad? I assume either some mess went down with you and the chapter or you were short sighted and didn't like the UG chapter's rep so you boycotted. I typically check the database to see if your UG chapter was suspended. That's the only excuse. Not really. What about the undergrad whose mother may be a Delta (for example) and encourages her to focus on academics in UG, and to cross grad? I know a few people who fit that bill. Their parents told them to wait for Grad and to focus on academics in UG. |
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Post by Southie on Apr 29, 2010 13:14:16 GMT -5
There has always been this notion that crossing in a grad chapter is very simple and no work involved (or very limited work). I thought that was true also, however the reality for many if VERY different.
Now, I have heard of some really petty situations that prevented some seemingly good candidates from getting selected in the Undergrad chapter.
Their are also instances of financial situations.
Grades not where they should be...
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Post by urbanfashionista on Apr 29, 2010 13:17:06 GMT -5
I went grad 9 yrs after I graduated - I just told my story in the "why go greek: post, but my UG chap was off and on, but they were active pretty much while I was there - but it wasnt really my focus I did attend events, actually and even Delta events..
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Post by frozenmenace on Apr 29, 2010 13:17:36 GMT -5
I have a cousin who began the application process for a sorority in undergrad.. In the midst of it, her father died. Consequently, she was not able to complete the process. Her only alternative was to cross grad after she graduated.
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Post by Southie on Apr 29, 2010 13:19:27 GMT -5
If the rate of ridiculous behavior do not cease...Grad will be the only option! Schools are not going to deal with the endless lawsuits! Nationals are not willing to go into financial ruin for silly and ridiculous behavior.
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Post by frozenmenace on Apr 29, 2010 13:20:26 GMT -5
I went grad 9 yrs after I graduated - I just told my story in the "why go greek: post, but my UG chap was off and on, but they were active pretty much while I was there - but it wasnt really my focus I did attend events, actually and even Delta events.. I crossed grad within a year after I graduated. I had no choice, National would not allow the chapter on my yard to have a line. When I graduated, their chapter adviser (the President of the Grad Chapter at that time) told me that he would be happy to bring me into his chapter. |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Apr 29, 2010 13:24:18 GMT -5
I'm with JA. You're fresh out of UG trying to pledge Grad? I assume either some mess went down with you and the chapter or you were short sighted and didn't like the UG chapter's rep so you boycotted. I typically check the database to see if your UG chapter was suspended. That's the only excuse. Not really. What about the undergrad whose mother may be a Delta (for example) and encourages her to focus on academics in UG, and to cross grad? I know a few people who fit that bill. Their parents told them to wait for Grad and to focus on academics in UG. Just because I have an initial assumption doesn't mean that I'm not going to engage you to find out what the deal is. I'll hear you out. As far as academics, I get you. If i hadn't pledged spring of my freshman year (sophomore credits), I probably wouldn't have done it until Grad. I'm just being real about what I assume about 23 year old Grad applicants. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Apr 29, 2010 13:24:53 GMT -5
Interesting.... *southie voice*
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Post by frozenmenace on Apr 29, 2010 13:26:23 GMT -5
Not really. What about the undergrad whose mother may be a Delta (for example) and encourages her to focus on academics in UG, and to cross grad? I know a few people who fit that bill. Their parents told them to wait for Grad and to focus on academics in UG. Just because I have an initial assumption doesn't mean that I'm not going to engage you to find out what the deal is. I'll hear you out. As far as academics, I get you. If i hadn't pledged spring of my freshman year (sophomore credits), I probably wouldn't have done it until Grad. I'm just being real about what I assume about 23 year old Grad applicants. I feel you 100%! It just seems that a lot of people don't bother to try to find out what the deal was. They form their assumptions and stick with them. |
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Post by Oren Ishii on Apr 29, 2010 13:31:37 GMT -5
What Southie said...with all this beating the crap outta people that's going on, eventually we will be graduate/professional organizations only.
Darn shame, given that most of our orgs were founded exclusively by undergraduates (yes, I know the orgs that had faculty/grad students among the founding group).
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Post by Southie on Apr 29, 2010 13:31:46 GMT -5
Interesting.... *southie voice* That is funny! ;D |
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Post by FatalDST on Apr 29, 2010 13:54:32 GMT -5
Ok, on the real. If you had an active ugrad chapter at your school and never pursued, but as soon as you graduate you go grad, I am looking at you kinda sideways. THIS! |
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Post by FatalDST on Apr 29, 2010 13:58:08 GMT -5
I have a cousin who began the application process for a sorority in undergrad.. In the midst of it, her father died. Consequently, she was not able to complete the process. Her only alternative was to cross grad after she graduated. This is understandable.. or any serious type family/personal issue. I know guy who wants to be an Omega who had a similar issue. His mother is still alive, but she got real sick and was in the hospital.. his focus was her and school.. he worked too in order to help pay bills and keep things going while she was sick... this is acceptable! |
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Post by FatalDST on Apr 29, 2010 13:59:48 GMT -5
Just because I have an initial assumption doesn't mean that I'm not going to engage you to find out what the deal is. I'll hear you out. As far as academics, I get you. If i hadn't pledged spring of my freshman year (sophomore credits), I probably wouldn't have done it until Grad. I'm just being real about what I assume about 23 year old Grad applicants. I feel you 100%! It just seems that a lot of people don't bother to try to find out what the deal was. They form their assumptions and stick with them. Its actually one of the first things I ask... why you didnt pledge/cross undergrad... |
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Post by Southie on Apr 29, 2010 14:20:45 GMT -5
I feel you 100%! It just seems that a lot of people don't bother to try to find out what the deal was. They form their assumptions and stick with them. Its actually one of the first things I ask... why you didnt pledge/cross undergrad... That is a very common question, and should be expected by the interested. Also, they should be prepared for their answer to be investiagated before moving forward. Actually, in some cases..several answers must be investigated. |
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Post by Cambist on Apr 29, 2010 14:22:36 GMT -5
I feel you 100%! It just seems that a lot of people don't bother to try to find out what the deal was. They form their assumptions and stick with them. Its actually one of the first things I ask... why you didnt pledge/cross undergrad... Better watch your tone when you ask me....  |
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Post by FatalDST on Apr 29, 2010 15:16:46 GMT -5
Its actually one of the first things I ask... why you didnt pledge/cross undergrad... Better watch your tone when you ask me.... Yes Sir! |
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Post by Southie on Apr 29, 2010 15:44:25 GMT -5
Better watch your tone when you ask me.... Yes Sir! Interesting |
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Post by Comedy on Apr 29, 2010 15:52:54 GMT -5
I can agree to an extent. On the other hand, no one really wants to be viewed as a skater, whore, homosexual or any other chapter ill. I believe if these potential members are pursing in the same area or region the grad chapter will know whether or not the undergraduate chapter is a hot mess. Ok, on the real. If you had an active ugrad chapter at your school and never pursued, but as soon as you graduate you go grad, I am looking at you kinda sideways. |
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Post by 123Diva on Apr 29, 2010 16:52:31 GMT -5
Very interesting takes on the topic. To each her own.
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Post by waymaker2010 on Apr 29, 2010 17:40:10 GMT -5
So then how do you all feel about a plain old "wasn't selected for undergrad" or "I was an older non-traditional student during undergrad" These are plausible explanations.
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Post by Southie on Apr 29, 2010 17:46:19 GMT -5
So then i do you all feel about a plain old "wasn't selected for undergrad" or "I was an older non-traditional student during undergrad" These are plausible explanations. If the person admits to not being selected, then of course further questions will be asked. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I guess it would depend on circumstances. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Apr 29, 2010 17:54:49 GMT -5
Everybody has the same story (oh, there was a situation/family emergency/money issue in college that prevented me from pledging). I never ask anymore.
I only have a problem when grads initiatives take it upon themselves to explain why they're grad. If I meet one more person who upon meeting me announces "I'm Chi Zeta Alumnae, but I was real cool with Upsilon Chi back when I was in school, but my mom had got sick and I had to use my intake fees to pay for childcare for my little brother and then I had caught the mumps, then the chapter got suspended and next thing you know I had to go grad" I'm going to scream! Constantly making excuses for yourself shows me that you've bought into your own stigma and that you don't want me to respect you.
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Post by 123Diva on Apr 29, 2010 18:37:12 GMT -5
Everybody has the same story (oh, there was a situation/family emergency/money issue in college that prevented me from pledging). I never ask anymore. I only have a problem when grads initiatives take it upon themselves to explain why they're grad. If I meet one more person who upon meeting me announces "I'm Chi Zeta Alumnae, but I was real cool with Upsilon Chi back when I was in school, but my mom had got sick and I had to use my intake fees to pay for childcare for my little brother and then I had caught the mumps, then the chapter got suspended and next thing you know I had to go grad" I'm going to scream! Constantly making excuses for yourself shows me that you've bought into your own stigma and that you don't want me to respect you. ::DEAD:: iLaughed. |
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