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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Apr 26, 2010 21:53:24 GMT -5
Man, this is wild.
It almost sounds like some Masons/Stars are auxilary groups trying to gain respect from BGLOs! But I guess that frats and sororities are more outgoing and social than Masonic groups. The steps, calls, colors, etc. of Greeks makes life a little more fun. I can see why Masonic groups would want some shine.
But I would like to know if Mainstream (white) lodges have the same problem with white Greeks bringing their culture to Lodges.
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Apr 27, 2010 0:03:30 GMT -5
I highly doubt that.
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Post by Kryptik on Apr 27, 2010 0:10:07 GMT -5
I think that this issue is really a combination of what many have hit upon. I agree that there are those who would choose to graft onto masonry many of those “nuances” (nalia, strolling, etc.) typically associated with BGLO’s, however, most of these were only made “popular” in their current form by BGLO culture. These “nuances” tend to have one underlining purpose and that is to display and instill a sense of fraternalism and pride. Well, the same has held true for masonry ever since it became a prestigious society for gentlemen. Masons have always worn paraphernalia, performed ritualized public ceremonies (which is what “strolling” and stepping is!), and to make a long story short, I am sure that we can all agree that the “etc.” can be covered in similar fashion… Shriners have been doing it all since 1893. I think the confusion comes when we forget to take “popular culture” into account. When we look at BGLOs throughout the years, we see that these nuances have all developed and evolved with the times to be more appealing and reflective of the newer membership while still attempting to maintain a link to the past. Well, masonry has and is evolving just the same… and just like I may feel that the Masonic Order has no need for these “popular” trappings, as do most freemasons in masonry, I know a many older Kappa Men that question the “Shimmey". Its just a matter of what you were taught. Now as for the whole competition thing… well whenever people are zealous about their organizations (or sometimes they're just lame  ) they may try to foolishly compete, compare, and contrast it with other organizations... I mean look at all the Sigmas that THINK they were the first to use a kane!  *SHIMMEYS* LOL |
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Post by Troopa1911 on Apr 27, 2010 7:46:16 GMT -5
Great points...all around
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on Apr 27, 2010 11:54:09 GMT -5
Unbeknownst to most nupey, I mean apil, masons and stars do have a lot of fun activities and social activities. Being the worthy matron of my chapter, I am Always attending social functions, I mean always. So the social aspect has always been there. We just don't advertise it to the masses. just because you don't see it doesn't mean that we haven't always done it.
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Post by nsync on Apr 27, 2010 12:02:22 GMT -5
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! I love that gotdarn DIVA!!! hahahahaha this made my day ((((HHHUUUGGGSSSS)))) Did you try to holler at her? Doubtful. |
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on Apr 27, 2010 12:03:24 GMT -5
Ah...Mean ass Comedy...oh how I've missed thee!!! DSD, where in the world have you been? Sis. I have been so busy with working full time, going to school and these masonic organizations. They tie up all my time. |
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 27, 2010 12:19:05 GMT -5
The only naila that I've seen around my parts is what folks put on their cars, or their car tags. I've rarely seen the other stuff.
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Post by **Dea** on Apr 27, 2010 14:38:28 GMT -5
Ah...Mean ass Comedy...oh how I've missed thee!!! DSD, where in the world have you been? Sis. I have been so busy with working full time, going to school and these masonic organizations. They tie up all my time. I completely understand. My chapter keeps me amazingly busy. And I love every...single....drop of it!! LOL @ calling Apil Nupey! And to cosign what my Amazing SiSTAR said, there are PLENTY of SOCIAL EVENTS!!! I'm still on high from my last one! DSD, how funny would it be to see some ppl around here at a Masonic Party! They haven't been to a party till they've been to one of ours! I guess when the Shriners get started...and we all know they will...they must have been inspired by the "greeks" in the room! smh! KRYPTIK-Hey SUGA!!! How have you been? |
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Post by Kryptik on Apr 27, 2010 14:56:02 GMT -5
**Dea** Greetings Sis, All is well here. How are you? <---- Shriner, that will Camel Walk with the best of them! 
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Post by **Dea** on Apr 27, 2010 15:52:49 GMT -5
I'm off today so I'm GREAT!!!
**imagines Kryp Camel Walking***swoons*** LMAO!
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 27, 2010 16:07:45 GMT -5
I think that this issue is really a combination of what many have hit upon. I agree that there are those who would choose to graft onto masonry many of those “nuances” (nalia, strolling, etc.) typically associated with BGLO’s, however, most of these were only made “popular” in their current form by BGLO culture. These “nuances” tend to have one underlining purpose and that is to display and instill a sense of fraternalism and pride. Well, the same has held true for masonry ever since it became a prestigious society for gentlemen. Masons have always worn paraphernalia, performed ritualized public ceremonies (which is what “strolling” and stepping is!), and to make a long story short, I am sure that we can all agree that the “etc.” can be covered in similar fashion… Shriners have been doing it all since 1893. I think the confusion comes when we forget to take “popular culture” into account. When we look at BGLOs throughout the years, we see that these nuances have all developed and evolved with the times to be more appealing and reflective of the newer membership while still attempting to maintain a link to the past. Well, masonry has and is evolving just the same… and just like I may feel that the Masonic Order has no need for these “popular” trappings, as do most freemasons in masonry, I know a many older Kappa Men that question the “Shimmey". Its just a matter of what you were taught. Now as for the whole competition thing… well whenever people are zealous about their organizations (or sometimes they're just lame ) they may try to foolishly compete, compare, and contrast it with other organizations... I mean look at all the Sigmas that THINK they were the first to use a kane! *SHIMMEYS* LOL Soooo are you saying Stepping and Strolling are an offshoot of masonic public ceremonies? I gotta hear this one. Before you answer go look up the Ring Shout first. Also look up the Seekin Ritual too. Then get back to me. Thanks |
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Post by Kryptik on Apr 27, 2010 22:17:57 GMT -5
I think that this issue is really a combination of what many have hit upon. I agree that there are those who would choose to graft onto masonry many of those “nuances” (nalia, strolling, etc.) typically associated with BGLO’s, however, most of these were only made “popular” in their current form by BGLO culture. These “nuances” tend to have one underlining purpose and that is to display and instill a sense of fraternalism and pride. Well, the same has held true for masonry ever since it became a prestigious society for gentlemen. Masons have always worn paraphernalia, performed ritualized public ceremonies (which is what “strolling” and stepping is!), and to make a long story short, I am sure that we can all agree that the “etc.” can be covered in similar fashion… Shriners have been doing it all since 1893. I think the confusion comes when we forget to take “popular culture” into account. When we look at BGLOs throughout the years, we see that these nuances have all developed and evolved with the times to be more appealing and reflective of the newer membership while still attempting to maintain a link to the past. Well, masonry has and is evolving just the same… and just like I may feel that the Masonic Order has no need for these “popular” trappings, as do most freemasons in masonry, I know a many older Kappa Men that question the “Shimmey". Its just a matter of what you were taught. Now as for the whole competition thing… well whenever people are zealous about their organizations (or sometimes they're just lame ) they may try to foolishly compete, compare, and contrast it with other organizations... I mean look at all the Sigmas that THINK they were the first to use a kane! *SHIMMEYS* LOL Soooo are you saying Stepping and Strolling are an offshoot of masonic public ceremonies? I gotta hear this one. Before you answer go look up the Ring Shout first. Also look up the Seekin Ritual too. Then get back to me. Thanks LOL... No Sir, I am not saying that they are an "offshoot" of anything masonic. I was merely referring to the fact that they are outward or "public" displays of fraternalism that are performed in a ritualized manner. Similar to what some apparently hold as a possible source of the Ring Shout, (from wikipedia) " The ritual may have originated among enslaved Muslims from West Africa as an imitation of tawaf, the mass procession around the Kaaba that is an essential part of the Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca", this "ritual" is seen as a reenactment or public display of a common belief, feeling, or reflection of some ideal... in our case it's fraternalism. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 28, 2010 10:11:17 GMT -5
Soooo are you saying Stepping and Strolling are an offshoot of masonic public ceremonies? I gotta hear this one. Before you answer go look up the Ring Shout first. Also look up the Seekin Ritual too. Then get back to me. Thanks LOL... No Sir, I am not saying that they are an "offshoot" of anything masonic. I was merely referring to the fact that they are outward or "public" displays of fraternalism that are performed in a ritualized manner. Similar to what some apparently hold as a possible source of the Ring Shout, (from wikipedia) " The ritual may have originated among enslaved Muslims from West Africa as an imitation of tawaf, the mass procession around the Kaaba that is an essential part of the Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca", this "ritual" is seen as a reenactment or public display of a common belief, feeling, or reflection of some ideal... in our case it's fraternalism. I hear ya. The Ring Shout being a Muslim custom is a stretch though I have heard historians state that since it is done in a counter clockwise motion. I just want it to be known that black people had secret handshakes, songs, poems, etc while on the plantation. That BGLO's are mostly influenced by these customs that also existed in the church. These things are documented since the 1600's and there time line is unknown when it comes to Africa. The Seekin Ritual or appropriately called Seekin was a custom of initiation done in the Carolina's having it's heart in James Island amongst the Gullah peoples. When you are finished they called it Going Over or Crossing. In Vudu having its height in Congo Square in North America there was and still is an initiation custom called a Kanzo. This was and is a fire ceremony. Even carrying bricks was a custom done in remembrance for the ancestors. So just want that said where alot of the customs that exist in BGLO culture comes from before this thread goes in the direction that what BGLO's do is what Masonry does. The Ring Shout is the predecessor of the Circle Step or Circle March. BGLO's pull from the ancestors and the church... Masonry pinnacle is in Europe. Two different things...... two different aims...... two different purposes. |
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on Apr 28, 2010 12:39:20 GMT -5
The shrine and daughters know how to socialize. We work hard and play hard. We have the fish bowl and diabetes football classics. Doi is celebrating 100 years. It's going to be on and popping in Tampa. If anyone has an opportunity to attend our gala days or imperial sessions, the last thing anyone will say is that we have problems with social activities.
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Post by Kryptik on Apr 28, 2010 12:52:50 GMT -5
I hear ya. The Ring Shout being a Muslim custom is a stretch though I have heard historians state that since it is done in a counter clockwise motion. I just want it to be known that black people had secret handshakes, songs, poems, etc while on the plantation. That BGLO's are mostly influenced by these customs that also existed in the church. These things are documented since the 1600's and there time line is unknown when it comes to Africa. The Seekin Ritual or appropriately called Seekin was a custom of initiation done in the Carolina's having it's heart in James Island amongst the Gullah peoples. When you are finished they called it Going Over or Crossing. In Vudu having its height in Congo Square in North America there was and still is an initiation custom called a Kanzo. This was and is a fire ceremony. Even carrying bricks was a custom done in remembrance for the ancestors. So just want that said where alot of the customs that exist in BGLO culture comes from before this thread goes in the direction that what BGLO's do is what Masonry does. The Ring Shout is the predecessor of the Circle Step or Circle March. BGLO's pull from the ancestors and the church... Masonry pinnacle is in Europe. Two different things...... two different aims...... two different purposes. I could agree with you completely accept you said that masonry's pinnacle is Europe. I believe that even most learned "Anglo-Masons" realize that masonry too has its roots in Kemet. (Or if you prefer, Greece, whose greatest philosophers, craftsmen, and scholars are known to have gone to Egypt to learn.) |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 28, 2010 13:03:30 GMT -5
I hear ya. The Ring Shout being a Muslim custom is a stretch though I have heard historians state that since it is done in a counter clockwise motion. I just want it to be known that black people had secret handshakes, songs, poems, etc while on the plantation. That BGLO's are mostly influenced by these customs that also existed in the church. These things are documented since the 1600's and there time line is unknown when it comes to Africa. The Seekin Ritual or appropriately called Seekin was a custom of initiation done in the Carolina's having it's heart in James Island amongst the Gullah peoples. When you are finished they called it Going Over or Crossing. In Vudu having its height in Congo Square in North America there was and still is an initiation custom called a Kanzo. This was and is a fire ceremony. Even carrying bricks was a custom done in remembrance for the ancestors. So just want that said where alot of the customs that exist in BGLO culture comes from before this thread goes in the direction that what BGLO's do is what Masonry does. The Ring Shout is the predecessor of the Circle Step or Circle March. BGLO's pull from the ancestors and the church... Masonry pinnacle is in Europe. Two different things...... two different aims...... two different purposes. I could agree with you completely accept you said that masonry's pinnacle is Europe. I believe that even most learned "Anglo-Masons" realize that masonry too has its roots in Kemet. (Or if you prefer, Greece, whose greatest philosophers, craftsmen, and scholars are known to have gone to Egypt to learn.) Masonry concept has its roots in kemet. The entire secret society concept around the world has it roots in Africa. The practice however by the letter isn't African. If so ask your people to name anybody who was initiated into a Mystery School in Kemet that help start your craft..... Before you give the customary please note Euclid nor Pythagoras were NOT initiated into anything in Kemet but were theives. Pythagoras theorems were already in place in kemet and he stole them. Euclid's postulates were already in place and he copied them. Like how can this guy be seen as the father of geometry when the Pyramids were built 2500 years before his birth. Just because they wear some regalia doesn't mean they have roots in Kemet whose roots are in the Congo. Basically no disrespect but don't put that on the ancestors. Umm Umm no dice on that one. Sorry homie. |
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Post by ShimmeringSTAR on Apr 28, 2010 16:58:35 GMT -5
I want a shirt but I have a chain that I was given by an older member..and my matron is a Delta...well most of my chapter has Rhos and Deltas...with one AkA....
Dea one of the chapters is having a fish fry SATURDAY...let me know if you want to attend...
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on Apr 28, 2010 17:30:56 GMT -5
Sis. I have been so busy with working full time, going to school and these masonic organizations. They tie up all my time. I completely understand. My chapter keeps me amazingly busy. And I love every...single....drop of it!! LOL @ calling Apil Nupey! And to cosign what my Amazing SiSTAR said, there are PLENTY of SOCIAL EVENTS!!! I'm still on high from my last one! DSD, how funny would it be to see some ppl around here at a Masonic Party! They haven't been to a party till they've been to one of ours! I guess when the Shriners get started...and we all know they will...they must have been inspired by the "greeks" in the room! smh! KRYPTIK-Hey SUGA!!! How have you been? Here are the Daughters strolling at the Fish Bowl Classic in 2009: |
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on Apr 28, 2010 17:45:54 GMT -5
Sis. I have been so busy with working full time, going to school and these masonic organizations. They tie up all my time. I completely understand. My chapter keeps me amazingly busy. And I love every...single....drop of it!! LOL @ calling Apil Nupey! And to cosign what my Amazing SiSTAR said, there are PLENTY of SOCIAL EVENTS!!! I'm still on high from my last one! DSD, how funny would it be to see some ppl around here at a Masonic Party! They haven't been to a party till they've been to one of ours! I guess when the Shriners get started...and we all know they will...they must have been inspired by the "greeks" in the room! smh! KRYPTIK-Hey SUGA!!! How have you been? Here is an older film of a Shrine and Daughters parade from the 1960s: |
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Post by Comedy on Apr 28, 2010 18:32:38 GMT -5
What or who are Rhos? I want a shirt but I have a chain that I was given by an older member..and my matron is a Delta...well most of my chapter has Rhos and Deltas...with one AkA.... Dea one of the chapters is having a fish fry SATURDAY...let me know if you want to attend... |
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Post by **Dea** on Apr 28, 2010 21:32:32 GMT -5
I want a shirt but I have a chain that I was given by an older member..and my matron is a Delta...well most of my chapter has Rhos and Deltas...with one AkA.... Dea one of the chapters is having a fish fry SATURDAY...let me know if you want to attend... HELLS YEAH I WANNA GO!!!! Shoot me the info and I definitely will make an apperance! ME and as many chapter stars I can round up....alot of them will be in the middle of finals. |
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Post by **Dea** on Apr 28, 2010 21:37:40 GMT -5
What or who are Rhos? I want a shirt but I have a chain that I was given by an older member..and my matron is a Delta...well most of my chapter has Rhos and Deltas...with one AkA.... Dea one of the chapters is having a fish fry SATURDAY...let me know if you want to attend... hehehe.... |
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Post by ShimmeringSTAR on Apr 29, 2010 18:24:56 GMT -5
@ Comedy those Sigma Gammers....
@ Dea I will...I'm ASSuming its gone be on Basin...but I will inbox you
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Post by Comedy on Apr 29, 2010 21:55:11 GMT -5
Oh so you're like a servant to Masons? @ Comedy those Sigma Gammers.... @ Dea I will...I'm ASSuming its gone be on Basin...but I will inbox you |
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Post by **Dea** on Apr 30, 2010 7:35:59 GMT -5
Oh so you're like a servant to Masons? @ Comedy those Sigma Gammers.... @ Dea I will...I'm ASSuming its gone be on Basin...but I will inbox you i know this wasn't in referrence to me but  |
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Post by Comedy on Apr 30, 2010 9:52:47 GMT -5
No, but you're in my head and hopefully after today your siSTAR will as well. Oh so you're like a servant to Masons? i know this wasn't in referrence to me but |
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Post by **Dea** on Apr 30, 2010 20:44:08 GMT -5
No, but you're in my head and hopefully after today your siSTAR will as well. i know this wasn't in referrence to me but oh geese...keep it clean ladies! Golden....Ima need u to hit me with that info ma'am! |
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Post by ShimmeringSTAR on May 1, 2010 15:56:27 GMT -5
The info was sent Dea....
@ Comedy aree you offended sweetheart?!? Ignore my post then...are you even anything or anyone special?!?
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Post by Comedy on May 2, 2010 3:12:04 GMT -5
Sweetheart? I'm a grown woman ma'am and I hope you are as well. Moving on, please refrain from calling members of my organization "those Gamma Rho's" and I'll refrain from calling you all servents, promise. I don't know who you think you are, but I'm Comedy and I'm from Cali. I am an SGRho; an educator; a business owner and I will check all disrespectful women and men who are delibrately being ignorant. So, unless you can levitate, or condemn me to hell you need to soften that deep voice and get it right the next time. I can't believe an adult woman could make two ignorant statements on the same topic. I've been on and off of this message board for years and I've never been disrectful to any organization. I may not understand the relationship some of you have with other Sigma women, but in case you are in contact with members who have not been train/groomed properly we are: Sigma women, SGRho's or Sigma Gamma Rho's and that is it. Thank you. If you have a problem with our name ask one of my sorors in your chapter to hop on the SE listserve and shoot me a message. The info was sent Dea.... @ Comedy aree you offended sweetheart?!? Ignore my post then...are you even anything or anyone special?!? |
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