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Post by denounced on Feb 8, 2010 16:58:38 GMT -5
I have seen it through. Although this thread has gone in another direction, it was absolutely useless and you got called on it by me. I am not so naive as to believe that science proves anything, but faith does not stand alone. What you call faith, the bible claims it has tentacles attached to it.
I can trust myself when all doubt me.
Metaphysics------- Looking into the invisible for the unknown. You have all the questions, but no answers. So I will let your questions hang out in the breeze.
Do you really Kalani?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Feb 8, 2010 18:58:21 GMT -5
Way to take the bait Balderman Davis. So lets begin.. Who decides the sex of the Child, Man or Woman? Who gives man his Mitochondrial DNA? Can the man Pass on his Mitochondrial DNA to his children? What is the role of Mitochondrial DNA as it pertains to Human Beings and our existence? I'll wait...... The electrical charge of the Ovum decides what charge of sperm will be allowed to fertilize the egg. If the Ovum is Positive Charged then only negative charge sperm are allowed. If negative Charge only positive charged sperm are allowed. A man gets his MtDNA from his mother as with In-Vivo fertilization (yanno done while getting it in) the woman see's the Mtdna of the man as foreign and destroys it during conception. A woman can be impregnanted by two different men in rare cases for twins but she will not allow the MtDNA of the man (which he obtained from his mother) to exist. The only time a man can pass on the MtDNA to his children is during In-Vitro fertilization done in a petri dish. Without MtDNA from your Mother there would be no life. Lets take a look here >>> "Mitochondrial DNA contains 37 genes, all of which are essential for normal mitochondrial function. Thirteen of these genes provide instructions for making enzymes involved in oxidative phosphorylation. Oxidative phosphorylation is a process that uses oxygen and simple sugars to create adenosine triphosphate (ATP), the cell's main energy source" retrieved from ghr.nlm.nih.gov/chromosome=MT  I just wanted you to bite down on a scientific argument and I did so. It was a gateway question which lacked merit and I knew you'd pounce on it. Good job. |
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Post by Oren Ishii on Feb 8, 2010 19:00:48 GMT -5
<--- Wants credit from VP for knowing these answers ;D
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Feb 8, 2010 20:35:40 GMT -5
<--- Wants credit from VP for knowing these answers ;D You were there every step of the way lol |
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Post by denounced on Feb 9, 2010 7:46:04 GMT -5
You only cited one piece of information. Your information is lacking all the truth as I knew you would do so, and because of your religious presuppositions, you assume that My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was unable to make a woman with such properties. There are many differences between men and women that dictate whether or not life could continually exist.
I am sorry that your god is incapable of creating man, then pulling out a rib and forming a woman. I mean, which is more miraculous.
By the way, they have found male mtDNA is GROWN MEN. Either way it matters not, your science is flawed, because your logic is flawed. But thank-you for helping learn and brush up.
I like that statement, without women there would be no life. You meant to say, with the way a woman was created, there would be no PROCREATION. Without Jesus, there would be no life. That's what you meant to say.
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Post by denounced on Feb 9, 2010 7:59:18 GMT -5
Akashic Records "A theosophical term referring to an universal filing system which records every occurring thought, word, and action. The records are impressed on a subtle substance called akasha (or Soniferous Ether). In Hindu mysticism this akasha is thought to be the primary principle of nature from which the other four natural principles, fire, air, earth, and water, are created. These five principles also represent the five senses of the human being. Some indicate the akashic records are similar to a Cosmic or collective consciousness. The records have been referred to by different names including the Cosmic Mind, the Universal Mind, the collective unconscious, or the collective subconscious. Others think the akashic records make clairvoyance and psychic perception possible. It is believed by some that the events recorded upon that akasha can be ascertained or read in certain states of consciousness. Such states of consciousness can be induced by certain stages of sleep, weakness, illness, drugs, and meditation so not only mystics but ordinary people can and do perceive the akashic records. Some mystics claim to be able to reanimate their contents like they were turning on a celestial television set. Yogis also believe that these records can be perceived in certain psychic states." www.themystica.org/mystica/articles/a/akashic_records.htmAnd you want to deal in scientific logic. This La La Land, follow the yellow brick road to look for Harry Potter while adventurnig in the Chronicles of Narnia. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Feb 9, 2010 11:12:48 GMT -5
You only cited one piece of information. Your information is lacking all the truth as I knew you would do so, and because of your religious presuppositions, you assume that My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was unable to make a woman with such properties. There are many differences between men and women that dictate whether or not life could continually exist. I am sorry that your god is incapable of creating man, then pulling out a rib and forming a woman. I mean, which is more miraculous. By the way, they have found male mtDNA is GROWN MEN. Either way it matters not, your science is flawed, because your logic is flawed. But thank-you for helping learn and brush up. I like that statement, without women there would be no life. You meant to say, with the way a woman was created, there would be no PROCREATION. Without Jesus, there would be no life. That's what you meant to say. Denounced yes Men GROWN MEN have MtDNA it comes from their mothers. You do have rogue scientist who CLAIM to have isolated paternal MtDNA (very low levels at that) in men but it hasn't been substantiated. It is stated the tail of the sperm causes spillage lol. Basically GTFOHWTBS. The notion is so exploratory that their colleagues have not taken the time to subject the claims to peer review. See now you get into the murky area of attempting to use Science as confirmation of your lord and savior. Gotcha... Without MtDNA you will have no ATP and without ATP you will have no energy for cells and no energy for cells equates to death. Now you can dwell in wonder land all you want but the sacred feminine is concrete brother. Which begs another question with the aims of your ministry. Who were the real persons persecuted by the church and why were they? The scientist. Your church fathers knew then what we know now.... Science crushes all religions. |
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Post by denounced on Feb 9, 2010 12:57:08 GMT -5
Science crushes know religion, Christians are just the only ones willing to except the most current discoveries. Only some early church fathers were phased by science, not all. Funny, you don't say anything about the Apostles being crushed by science?  ? Yeah, EYE witness account of my Lord and Savior, while you wish to look into the akashic records. The Akashic Records is nothing more than the Garden played out today. You think you can go there to get knowledge from God, the nfortunate reality is that if the Akashic records were true, every man could be as a god, LIKE THE SERPENT SAID TO EVE. Ah, the sacred feminine. Now we see the reason behind your presupposition. Adam got all he needed from God Himself. The man carries out his God given functions, and the women theirs. Nothing special about one or the other. If it wasn't for the prostate? ?? oooops, no life. You say grown men have mtDNA. Where did Adam get His from? |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Feb 9, 2010 14:43:48 GMT -5
Science crushes know religion, Christians are just the only ones willing to except the most current discoveries. Only some early church fathers were phased by science, not all. ALL church fathers feared science. The most persecuted group of people in Europe outside of Women (during withc hunts) were scientist. EYE witness accounts that were written 30 to 70 years after Jesus supposedly lived? The oldest surviving document of any gospel is dated 125ce. Hmmmm. Lets see what your bybull says about these records. Rev12:20 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. hmmpf interesting... Oh you said the serpent told Eve she could be God in the garden... Lets see if it was confirmed and by whom..
Genesis 3:22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: lol Shall I roll out the Pistis Sophia on this ninja? lol You're not ready for me Denounced. Adam per the story was made to be a slave to till the ground. He was ignorant so much that as a punishment he was given something he was already doing. Tilling the damn ground. lol You do know it has been found sperm cells can be made from female embryonic stem cells right? Now they are attempting to form sperm cells from the bone marrow of women as it has been done in Men already. Here is the kicker.... try to create Ova from anything of the man. I'll wait lol Adam didn't exist but for the story's sake he got it FROM HIS MOMMA! lol |
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Post by denounced on Feb 10, 2010 7:58:36 GMT -5
Let me say that the very bait you stuck out for me, ended up getting hooked in your own mouth. The MAN who received mtDNA from his FATHER is cited in a very reputable journal. Next, the fact of how they found this out shows the REALITY of an Intelligent Designer, named Jesus Christ. If anyone here desires to know how this is, PM me.
As for this issue about the oldest surviving gospel being 125 Anno Domini, it is rationally accepted that the AUTOGRAPH COPY of the Bible, if it is still intact may never be found. But I would surely trust what scholars (saved and unsaved) with no doubts that the Bible is the most historically reliable document, OVER the 0% historical reliabilty of the unwritten, unsubstantiated, 100% failure of the bibliographical, internal and external evidence tests, of the FAIRY TALE AKASHIC RECORDS. For if they were real, you would have direct access into the mind of God Himself, be able to know his every thought, as well as everyone elses. For any Christian to believe and/or defend this would be shameful, especially after doing a thorough study on it.
Dude, if it has to be made by man, then what does that tell you. They can only work with what God has already given them in the creation, by the creator Jesus Christ.
Roll out the Pistis Sophia, by all means do. It changes nothing.
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Post by denounced on Feb 10, 2010 8:06:36 GMT -5
Pistis Sophia is an important Gnostic text, possibly written as early as the Second Century. The five remaining copies, which scholars place in the Fifth or Sixth Centuries........." LOL! You better keep this to yourself. There are more copies of Caesar's Gallic Wars. Sorry VuDu, but this doesn't even pass the sniff test.
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Post by denounced on Feb 10, 2010 8:11:25 GMT -5
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Now how many other scriptures, persons, and persons directly told attest to this fact? About as many copies of the PS exist today.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Feb 10, 2010 14:20:31 GMT -5
Let me say that the very bait you stuck out for me, ended up getting hooked in your own mouth. The MAN who received mtDNA from his FATHER is cited in a very reputable journal. Next, the fact of how they found this out shows the REALITY of an Intelligent Designer, named Jesus Christ. If anyone here desires to know how this is, PM me. What’s the name of this Journal denounced? Show me a link of this ONE Journal. Even if a man received MtDNA from his father (which would only occur during In-Vitro fertilization) it would still be matrilineal as a man's MtDNA comes from his mother. Like you'd have better luck proving Noah's Arc existed than trying to come against the basics of MtDNA inheritance. Male Chauvinism, religious agenda's and the like are one of many various vehicles used for Structural Bias. I refuse to engage you with your Jesus as the intelligent designer claims. Even Helen Keller can see and hear that foolishness. Uh Anno Domini designation didn't exist until 525bce. lol What Autograph copy? Dude none of the people who wrote the gospel EVER met Jesus. It is written in the third person. Cmon Son. The bible as you know it was placed together by men. So this is the modis operende of your argument? Lets run the list of other names used before Akashic Records. Tablet of Destiny's, ME's, Sefer HaChaim, Reg Veda, Your Ori, Nkisi used by Palo Mayombe and Obeah practioners, etc etc etc. Question... If it is impossible to ascend to the mind of "God" then explain how some trained can see the future, break laws of existence, etc etc. Well I'm not a Christian. I murdered your Jesus along time ago. He's not coming back as he never did exist. I removed him from my mind and spirit. Free yourself Oldest document for the Judeo/Christian methodology doesn't exist past 4004 bce. Khufu was building his pyramid then. Sorry guy just not old enough to even fathom your God created this existence. You're reaching. Your comments afterward shows you had to GOOGLE the Pistis Sophia to find out what it was and whom they claim her to be. Now the story is a bastardized account of what the Sacred Feminine or as they call her Wisdom was and is. It's so much you don't know which is why I have challenged you over and over again to a debate because I know with time and planing I'd crush you easily. I mean these folks are using words from Jesus stating man has to complete and overcome 32 Degree's oops I meant Carnal Desires and Mysteries. lol Jesus at the time was on his 24th Degree.. oopss I meant 24th Mystery. lol. Like the FOUNDATIONS of most orgs you say are of devil can be found right in the church. Verbatim. You're just not well read enough to know where to look...... |
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Post by denounced on Feb 10, 2010 16:04:51 GMT -5
"The gospel is taken from the Book of the Pistis Sophia:
And Mary, the mother of Jesus according to matter, said: When Thou my Master wert a child, before the Spirit had descended upon Thee, when Thou wert in the vineyard with Joseph, the Spirit came down from the height, and came unto me in the house, like unto Thee, and I knew him not, but thought that he was Thou. And he said unto me, ‘Where is Jesus, my brother, that I may go to meet him?’ And when he had said this unto me I was in doubt, and thought it was a phantom tempting me. I seized him and bound him to the foot of the bed which was in my house, until I had gone to find you in the field — Thee and Joseph. It came to pass, therefore, when Thou didst hear me saying this thing unto Joseph, that Thou didst understand, and Thou wert joyful and saidest, ‘Where is he, that I may see him? Nay I am expecting him in this place.’ And it came to pass, when Joseph heard Thee say these words, that he was disturbed. We went together, we entered into the house, we found the spirit bound on the bed, and we gazed upon Thee and him, and found that Thou wert like unto him. And he that was bound to the bed was unloosed; he embraced Thee and kissed thee, and Thou didst kiss him; and ye became one and the same being." Chapter 61 of the Pistis Sophia
Now you think that they could have simply got the story correct had they copied the original. SO THE OBVIOUS IS ONE THING.......... SOMEBODY'S LYING!!!!!!!!!!!
They try to mix too many account into one, but the author's intention was never to get it right anyway.
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Post by denounced on Feb 10, 2010 16:07:53 GMT -5
"The text proclaims that Jesus remained on earth after the resurrection for 11 years, and was able in this time to teach his disciples up to the first (i.e. beginner) level of the mystery." How many accounts VERIFY this NONSENSE? www.ccel.org/ccel/tischendorf/gospels.iii.ii.html |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Feb 10, 2010 21:38:56 GMT -5
"The text proclaims that Jesus remained on earth after the resurrection for 11 years, and was able in this time to teach his disciples up to the first (i.e. beginner) level of the mystery." How many accounts VERIFY this NONSENSE? www.ccel.org/ccel/tischendorf/gospels.iii.ii.htmlNobody needs to because it never happened just as your Jesus never existed. Just showing how the creators of your religion sought to bastardize the sacred feminine every chance they got. Lets see here... The Hyksos were banished out of Kemet by Ahmose I and successive campaigns by Thutmosis I. These are your REAL Moses black man. What better way to get back at your enemy then to bastardize their names and then make their granddaughter/daughter the medium whom affirms your rise to the throne. Don't know what I'm talking about here we go.... 1 Kings 10
1And when the queen of Sheba heard of the fame of Solomon concerning the name of the LORD, she came to prove him with hard questions. 2And she came to Jerusalem with a very great train, with camels that bare spices, and very much gold, and precious stones: and when she was come to Solomon, she communed with him of all that was in her heart. 3And Solomon told her all her questions: there was not any thing hid from the king, which he told her not. 4And when the queen of Sheba had seen all Solomon's wisdom, and the house that he had built, 5And the meat of his table, and the sitting of his servants, and the attendance of his ministers, and their apparel, and his cupbearers, and his ascent by which he went up unto the house of the LORD; there was no more spirit in her. No more spirit in her? Muthafucka please lol. Wishful thinking! Here go the writers for Jesus biting off the fictitious story of Solomon.
Matthew 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
Luke 11:31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. Now who is this Queen of Sheba/ Queen of the South that we find in the book called the Bible and in parody within the rituals of brotherhoods whose foundation is of the aforementioned... Queen Hatsheput was her name and she'd never bow or come visit either of these peckerwoods. Why does Jesus need her to affirm anything Denounced? Why did Solomon need her to affirm anything Denounced? lol They took the Granddaughter and Daughter of the Kings who busted their asses and banished them out of kemet by including her in ritual fuckin parody. Period point blank. Think it's a real Lion of Judah? fuck no. These same Hyksos inspired devils got that from the essence who powered the Kemetian Army into fierce battle. She was a Lioness and her name was Sekhmet. lol They knew about her as the armies of destruction who gave the asses whuppins were powered by her. Now her are pics of these folks.... We will wait for yours lol Ahmose I  Thutmosis I  Queen Hatshepsut (the real Queen of the Sheba/South)  Sekhmet it is she who led men into battle (Where the Lion of Judah was derived from)  Now show us something other than a damn book put together by a band of pederasty loving priest and dictators. I'll wait. |
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Post by denounced on Feb 11, 2010 8:06:00 GMT -5
Author-Works- AW
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Earliest Copy- *EC*
Time Span- TS
#Copies- Copies
AW----------------------------(W)-------------*EC*--------TS-----Copies
Caesar Gallic Wars--(100-44 BC)--*900 AD*--1000 yrs.--10
Livy Roman History---(59 BC-17 AD)------?----?-------------20
Plato Teratalogies----(427-347 BC)--*900 AD*--1200 yrs.--7
Tacitus Annals------(100 AD)----*1100 AD*---1000 yrs.---20
PlinytheYoungerHistory-(61-113 AD)-*850 AD*-750 yrs.-7
Thucydides History--(460 - 400 BC)-*900 AD*-1300 yrs.-8
Aristotle-----------(384-322 BC)-----*1100 AD*--1400 yrs.--49
Homer (Iliad)---(900 BC)--------*400 BC*-------500 yrs.---643
New Testament---(40-100 AD)---*125 AD*-----25 yrs.-5,000
Oh! Where's Pistis Sophia. I guess I'll have to fill in the blanks since it's not even cosnidered a legit work of antiquity.
Pistis Sophia----(150-300 C.E.)-----*500C.E.*----200 yrs----5
So there you have it, Pistis Sophia is a historical work no doubt, but the New Testament in this way and many others will far exceed any other historical work. If you were to add the number of authors to the mix, this would make the NT even more amazing.
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Post by denounced on Feb 11, 2010 9:22:50 GMT -5
All of your picture cards and perverse language may do well in the arena of the uninformed, but none impress me. Blackism is a trendy theme, but you're a racist. I feel sorry for you.
Luke 13:3
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Post by denounced on Feb 11, 2010 16:15:18 GMT -5
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Post by denounced on Feb 12, 2010 12:47:53 GMT -5
VP- Have you ever heard the expression, it took my breath away? That's what happened to queen of Sheba.
You have to dramatize things with profanity and melodrama to make your argument APPEAR plausible. It's what I call face time. You want to be the white elephant or 700 pound gorilla in the room, but good solid research and understanding is why the soft spoken gets heads turning, and the gorillas burning with envy.
Now allow me to deal with this I said it before you did foolishness. Historically, it has been proven that one individual could have named, invented, coined a phrase, etc. minutes to thousands of years before ANOTHER made it public. Does this mean that the latter is a copycat? NO! Does it mean that the latter is not? NO! But one fact still remains, does it not? The one who originally came up with the name, phrase, invention, etc.
Here is the perfect example of something a black person said to me.
Dallas is America's Team, Pittsburgh is America's Team that Wins! Did he make that up? If some white guy a thousand miles away says the same thing 5 days later. It doesn't mean he heard it and stole it.
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Post by denounced on Feb 12, 2010 13:00:44 GMT -5
In light of YOUR contemporary or prior historical events as proofs that The Bible copied from other cultures, explain the history of crucifixion from your blackish point of view?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Feb 12, 2010 15:55:29 GMT -5
VP- Have you ever heard the expression, it took my breath away? That's what happened to queen of Sheba. Denounced King Solomon nor Jesus ever existed therefore the story never happened. Where is King Solomons temple and all of his riches? Even if the story were true Why would Queen Hatsheput be blown away by the craftsmanship of the fictitious Hiram for Solomon when the Grand Master Builders Imhotep and Ptah produced greater works? If earthquakes and adverse weather destroyed all of these things....then how can thought of as Superior when structures in Kemet are still standing? Four post and not one primary source? You're spinning your wheels champ. Your correlations are incoherent and irrelevant. The information put forth shows the ineptness of your research methods. I must say you are consistent though I'll give you that. Shuffling the same deck of cards over and over. My choice of words are of no consequence when you can't articulate nor adequately defend your premise. See this the chit I'm talking about. Your correlations lack merit. Your perspicacity is primitive. I'm suppose to agree with this? Does not the bible both old and new testament use figures from Kemet and Mesopotamia? Does not the bible both old and new testament state events which took place in the aforementioned? Do the former have ancient documentation showing a different story than told? Again this doesn't apply Denounced. Moses was stated to be hid in Kemet. Abraham went to Kemet. Jesus was stated to be hid in Kemet. How can you correlate what a person would say thousands a miles away when your bybull shows the region and says it by name? The frailty of your methodology must be an aggravating limitation. You can't help yourself can you? lol Last word is yours |
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Post by denounced on Feb 23, 2010 4:38:59 GMT -5
VP- Have you ever heard the expression, it took my breath away? That's what happened to queen of Sheba. Denounced King Solomon nor Jesus ever existed therefore the story never happened. Where is King Solomons temple and all of his riches? Even if the story were true Why would Queen Hatsheput be blown away by the craftsmanship of the fictitious Hiram for Solomon when the Grand Master Builders Imhotep and Ptah produced greater works? If earthquakes and adverse weather destroyed all of these things....then how can thought of as Superior when structures in Kemet are still standing? Four post and not one primary source? You're spinning your wheels champ. Your correlations are incoherent and irrelevant. The information put forth shows the ineptness of your research methods. I must say you are consistent though I'll give you that. Shuffling the same deck of cards over and over. My choice of words are of no consequence when you can't articulate nor adequately defend your premise. See this the chit I'm talking about. Your correlations lack merit. Your perspicacity is primitive. I'm suppose to agree with this? Does not the bible both old and new testament use figures from Kemet and Mesopotamia? Does not the bible both old and new testament state events which took place in the aforementioned? Do the former have ancient documentation showing a different story than told? Again this doesn't apply Denounced. Moses was stated to be hid in Kemet. Abraham went to Kemet. Jesus was stated to be hid in Kemet. How can you correlate what a person would say thousands a miles away when your bybull shows the region and says it by name? The frailty of your methodology must be an aggravating limitation. You can't help yourself can you? lol Last word is yours Has anyone heard about it yet? So what if they all went to Egypt. That means nothing!!!! I can be incoherent as you say, but as stated before, the Bible is the most historically reliable document. Don't be mad because black people couldn't preserve their copycat historical documents as well as the original. |
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Post by denounced on Feb 23, 2010 14:35:17 GMT -5
Author-Works- AW Written (W) Earliest Copy- *EC* Time Span- TS #Copies- Copies AW----------------------------(W)-------------*EC*--------TS-----Copies Caesar Gallic Wars--(100-44 BC)--*900 AD*--1000 yrs.--10 Livy Roman History---(59 BC-17 AD)------?----?-------------20 Plato Teratalogies----(427-347 BC)--*900 AD*--1200 yrs.--7 Tacitus Annals------(100 AD)----*1100 AD*---1000 yrs.---20 PlinytheYoungerHistory-(61-113 AD)-*850 AD*-750 yrs.-7 Thucydides History--(460 - 400 BC)-*900 AD*-1300 yrs.-8 Aristotle-----------(384-322 BC)-----*1100 AD*--1400 yrs.--49 Homer (Iliad)---(900 BC)--------*400 BC*-------500 yrs.---643 New Testament---(40-100 AD)---*125 AD*-----25 yrs.-5,000 Oh! Where's Pistis Sophia. I guess I'll have to fill in the blanks since it's not even cosnidered a legit work of antiquity. Pistis Sophia----(150-300 C.E.)-----*500C.E.*----200 yrs----5 So there you have it, Pistis Sophia is a historical work no doubt, but the New Testament in this way and many others will far exceed any other historical work. If you were to add the number of authors to the mix, this would make the NT even more amazing. This is better than anything you have offered. When YOU come up with better, more reliable sources, you hit me up. Until then, which will exceed our lifetimes, character assassination does not work. You are taking a card straight out of the Humanism Deck. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Mar 9, 2010 18:33:54 GMT -5
(1)There is historical evidence that Jesus existed. However this evidence (outside of the Bible) also points to things like the entire nativity scene is a myth because it lacks historical accuracy. So how can one believe one part and not the other. Sigh...gotta do your own research. (2) In response to the topic of religion being a sensative spot... of course for the average person religion or opposing it is apart of world view. We learn religion (opposition to it) out of the womb. From christenings to night time prayers on over to baptisms etc. How can you say there is historical proof Jesus existed when folks can barely figure out who wrote the "gospels". Stick to faith because you have no facts. Can we get an empty tomb? A sketch? Drawing? I mean damn something.....anything. lol |
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Post by denounced on Mar 10, 2010 11:15:07 GMT -5
nsync- If the document you are reading is historically accurate, then it upon the one who criticizes to produce accurate proof that their criticisms are valid. Breathes in, blows out!!!!!!!!!!!!! There's nothing to find in an empty tomb. BIBO again! As to who wrote the gospels, is this a trick question?
nsync- And what is exactly the nativity scene? Are you discussing the little clay figures viewed in storefornt windows, or the one in the Bible.
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Post by denounced on Mar 10, 2010 11:56:36 GMT -5
The Nativity creation.com/the-nativity-fact-or-fictionThe actual problem about research nsync is that people never take it far enough. One cannot isolate the nativity scene without looking at ALL the other events surrounding it. I will name some, 1.) Herod the Great's decree. 2.) Jesus' flight to egypt. 3.) Belief in other stories that do not possess other supporting information. 4.) Presuppositions opposing the supernatural. 5.) Herod the Great's Personal Character. |
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Post by Julie Art on Mar 10, 2010 14:13:19 GMT -5
Our religious/spiritual/philosophical beliefs become the core of who we are and how we reason as well as our behaviors.Also it helps to establish our purpose for being here. Attack a person's religion and you attack them because most often the two do not separate. With out belief in something we would be nothing. Like imagine if the atheists are correct and we have no purpose...if it all means nothing specific except to be born and to die...no direction except chance. Who would except that on a large scale? "Oh I had a bad effin day. I ain't makin the type of money I should . My kids are spoiled. My wife is a moron. Life sucks. Oh wait there is no point to living. ...so why am I? Seriously lol I believe the concept of religion to humans is more important than its accuracy or inaccuracy. That is why I am learning not to argue religion so much as I seek to perfect my own beliefs and understand others. We will have evidence right in our face and will deny it because we can not stand the reality of our truth not being accurate. Because if our beliefs are not as accepted then we have been living a lie. How devastating is that thought? So now I just listen and say okay..in the end we will see what is true or not. And trust if any given OR is right then a whole lotta people are gonna be wrong. How disappointing? Breath of fresh air. I to adhere to the train of thought of not aruging religion, because seriously, what is the point? You state what you believe, I state what I believe, and that's it. Getting into the, show me this here, and show me this there, and reference this, reference that, and I'm right because I believe yada and I have scientifc prove, show me yours, etc., etc., etc. is for the freaking birds. If you don't believe, fine, but don't try and belittle me because I do because only thing you are doing is really pushing me away to not want to deal with you at all on any level. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Mar 11, 2010 19:18:46 GMT -5
I'll stick to faith like you have stuck to faith. Unless we are out there in the field doing anthropological research of our very own, how can we truly know that what we research in books are true. We have to have faith in what we read. We have to cross reference. We have to check many sources. We have to see what the critics are saying about the sources we choose to have faith in, right? We have to be honest about their speculation. However, in the end we have to trust that all we are reviewing is true. You are no stranger to faith, VP. With that being said there are several texts that speak of a historical Jesus outside of the bible. This has given us confidence that a man name Jesus did lead a historical religious movement. If you believe all the details about that movement is up to you. However it's not fair to insist that he did not exist when you do not have proof showing that he did not exist, either. [ Circular rhetoric I charge. Can you provide any particle evidence to back up your claims? Can't can you? I mean no empty tomb hell not even a rock drawing of this ninjah on a wall. Nothing but accounts of those who were with whom wrote as if they were never there. Just nothing over the past 2000 years. Holding out hope huh? The truth is it makes you uncomfortable when you step outside that box. You feel life has no meaning without some sort of structure in place by religion. Maybe that's the meaning of life in the first place. Step outside of the box. I'm not a Christian so it isn't my duty prove it does exist thats for you to do. Furthermore to state I show faith in research from archaeological evidence or lack thereof as a fallible portion of my argument gives the impression you are not using faith in this book you call the bible... Yeah you're not making sense. That's like during a debate you accuse a person of plagiarism but you also have plagiarized smdh. No matter how you slice it our exchanges will always end the same whether you see the silver lining or not...... |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Mar 11, 2010 20:11:33 GMT -5
So basically you are saying that you cannot prove he does not exist...leaving us where we were two posts ago. Our exchanges don't have to end the same way...you simply choose to end them this way. I prefer not to fight with you so I dont. I find it interesting...not in a cynical I want to debate way...more in a I just find it interesting that you do not name your diety (ies) outright. That makes you untouchable in "exchanges". You can belittle our beliefs but we can't quite get a hold on yours. So I ask you who do you worship? Who created you VP? I ask you this in complete earnesty. Not tring to play you or have you show me up with your intellectual abilities. Who is it that you serve? How can we step out of our box and understand this entity? You making this about everything except for your lawd and savior. Getting frustrated and questioning the methodology I chose will NOT prove your Jesus exists. Again any primary sources or particle evidence for your Jesus? |
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? Yeah, EYE witness account of my Lord and Savior, while you wish to look into the akashic records. The Akashic Records is nothing more than the Garden played out today. You think you can go there to get knowledge from God, the nfortunate reality is that if the Akashic records were true, every man could be as a god, LIKE THE SERPENT SAID TO EVE.
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