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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jan 11, 2010 12:17:27 GMT -5
Though I already knew this I guess more confirmation wouldn't hurt....
CAIRO (Reuters) – New tombs found in Giza support the view that the Great Pyramids were built by free workers and not slaves, as widely believed, Egypt's chief archaeologist said on Sunday.
Films and media have long depicted slaves toiling away in the desert to build the mammoth pyramids only to meet a miserable death at the end of their efforts.
"These tombs were built beside the king's pyramid, which indicates that these people were not by any means slaves," Zahi Hawass, the chief archaeologist heading the Egyptian excavation team, said in a statement.
"If they were slaves, they would not have been able to build their tombs beside their king's."
He said the collection of workers' tombs, some of which were found in the 1990s, were among the most significant finds in the 20th and 21st centuries. They belonged to workers who built the pyramids of Khufu and Khafre.
Hawass had earlier found graffiti on the walls from workers calling themselves "friends of Khufu" -- another sign that they were not slaves.
The tombs, on the Giza plateau on the western edge of Cairo, are 4,510 years old and lie at the entrance of a one-km (half mile)-long necropolis.
Hawass said evidence had been found showing that farmers in the Delta and Upper Egypt had sent 21 buffalo and 23 sheep to the plateau every day to feed the builders, believed to number around 10,000 -- or about a tenth of Greek historian Herodotus's estimate of 100,000.
These farmers were exempted from paying taxes to the government of ancient Egypt -- evidence that he said underscored the fact they were participating in a national project.
The first discovery of workers' tombs in 1990 came about accidentally when a horse stumbled on a brick structure 10 meters (yards) away from the burial area.
(Writing by Marwa Awad; Editing by Alison Williams and Michael Roddy)
Hmmpf so the claims of Jewish Slaves building these wonderful structures keeps whittling away bit by bit...
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Post by Cambist on Jan 11, 2010 12:24:15 GMT -5
I knew that a long time ago. These monuments were built by artisans and scientists.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jan 11, 2010 12:59:04 GMT -5
I knew that a long time ago. These monuments were built by artisans and scientists. |
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Post by Oren Ishii on Jan 11, 2010 14:42:12 GMT -5
I heart you Vudu for the article (known this for a while though), BUT I can't get down with the idea that the foundation of religions based on the Judeo-Christian concept is fundamentally flawed because of it.
Quick question: Have you seen Zeitgiest The movie? Do you subscribe to the philosophy shown there about the origin of the 3 major religions?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jan 11, 2010 16:04:58 GMT -5
I heart you Vudu for the article (known this for a while though), BUT I can't get down with the idea that the foundation of religions based on the Judeo-Christian concept is fundamentally flawed because of it. Quick question: Have you seen Zeitgiest The movie? Do you subscribe to the philosophy shown there about the origin of the 3 major religions? |
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Post by Oren Ishii on Jan 11, 2010 16:27:47 GMT -5
I've considered your assertions frequently upon my own examinations & studies of ancient religions , VP.
I'm inclined to agree that many of the people of the Bible share significant characteristcs of other major figures representative of the ancient religions pre-dating the 3 majors (Jesus, the great Flood, Solomon, Exekiel, etc). Even the Bible itself bears striking similarities to our KMTic Book of the Dead. For a while, it gave me pause...
But, I've come not to base my own spiritual path so much on the translations of the Bible, and more on my personal experience of relationship with G-d, the Creator, the Universe...whatever you choose to call the Supreme.
Do you have a spiritual path/practice you follow? If so, please expound. (My apologies if you've expressed your beliefs before, I rarely dilly-dally in the Religion section, as my views are slightly...unorthodox, and I usually don't feel like debating them).
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jan 12, 2010 15:27:53 GMT -5
I've considered your assertions frequently upon my own examinations & studies of ancient religions , VP. I'm inclined to agree that many of the people of the Bible share significant characteristcs of other major figures representative of the ancient religions pre-dating the 3 majors (Jesus, the great Flood, Solomon, Exekiel, etc). Even the Bible itself bears striking similarities to our KMTic Book of the Dead. For a while, it gave me pause... But, I've come not to base my own spiritual path so much on the translations of the Bible, and more on my personal experience of relationship with G-d, the Creator, the Universe...whatever you choose to call the Supreme. Do you have a spiritual path/practice you follow? If so, please expound. (My apologies if you've expressed your beliefs before, I rarely dilly-dally in the Religion section, as my views are slightly...unorthodox, and I usually don't feel like debating them). I can dig that as I have no qualms with a persons faith and or belief in something but we still can't push aside logic. If it is stated that "God" created Adam & Eve then put into motion all of the events that happened after the adherents point to that as factual evidence. If one comes along and finds that evidence is scarce for any of the characters or events that were supposedly ushered in by "God" then we must entertain the notion that the entire premise is false. As far as my path of spirituality I choose to connect with ancient systems of the ancestors and embrace them all. I say if we had sistahs keeping track of their menstrual cycles in the Congo 25,000 years ago, Iron Ore Mines in Swaziland and Uganda 43,000 and 37,000 years ago, burial rituals which go back thousands of years as well then we must pay attention to their religious practices. Furthermore it is in my belief that many of the motifs that existed were but mimicking what happens on the sub atomic level. The snake and the Egg creation story found through out Africa to me but mimicks the Sperm fertilizing the egg. The oldest math artifacts are found in Africa. I just can't ignore the ancestors whom were here thousands of years before a 6,000 year old faith was put in place by the sword. If we can't get Absolute truth across the board around the world then our only second logical option to find truth is to deal with those whom were here first. p.s. I noticed you spelled Kemet without the Vowel E showing you have been doing some reading. Do you think it was called KMT or maybe it was an acronym? |
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Post by denounced on Jan 14, 2010 8:53:22 GMT -5
"Hmmpf so the claims of Jewish Slaves building these wonderful structures keeps whittling away bit by bit... " VP
Just because some historical errors were made by individuals OUTSIDE THE BIBLE, and then brought to life by Hollywood is meaningless. I never remember anything discussed in the Bible about JEWISH SLAVES building Pyramids, but they were definitely slaves.
"Exactly so if it has been stated already there wasn't an exodus of Jewish Slaves leaving Kemet which has no archeological evidence, no historical evidence outside of the bible then what does this say about the Judeo-Christian doctrine? All Lies?" VP
As stated before, the Bible itself is reliable. Outside sources are confirmed by what's written, not by what is found about what has been written about.
"Almost every main character in the bible has events which happened before they supposedly existed while some seemed to be created out of thin air." VP
Is this not common all throughout history? Something happens that we think never happened and we find out it has? The Temple has been polluted by a man before, but that doesn't and didn't make him THE ANTICHRIST (Antiochus Epiphanes IV, I think). Many supposed Messiah's have come, but that doesn't make them Jesus.
Herod, Quirinius, Jesus, the Census, etc. Luke was a great historian.............
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jan 14, 2010 9:32:31 GMT -5
"Hmmpf so the claims of Jewish Slaves building these wonderful structures keeps whittling away bit by bit... " VP Just because some historical errors were made by individuals OUTSIDE THE BIBLE, and then brought to life by Hollywood is meaningless. I never remember anything discussed in the Bible about JEWISH SLAVES building Pyramids, but they were definitely slaves. "Exactly so if it has been stated already there wasn't an exodus of Jewish Slaves leaving Kemet which has no archeological evidence, no historical evidence outside of the bible then what does this say about the Judeo-Christian doctrine? All Lies?" VP As stated before, the Bible itself is reliable. Outside sources are confirmed by what's written, not by what is found about what has been written about. "Almost every main character in the bible has events which happened before they supposedly existed while some seemed to be created out of thin air." VP Is this not common all throughout history? Something happens that we think never happened and we find out it has? The Temple has been polluted by a man before, but that doesn't and didn't make him THE ANTICHRIST (Antiochus Epiphanes IV, I think). Many supposed Messiah's have come, but that doesn't make them Jesus. Herod, Quirinius, Jesus, the Census, etc. Luke was a great historian............. lol Denounced the characters didn't exist I think we went over this already. The bible or shall I say what Constantine ordered to be put together is complete falsehood. The Hyksos were kicked out and they enslaved, raped, and maimed women, men, children, babies. I'll take Manetho's account of his homeland than the bible's anyday. Again I ask where is Noah's Arch? Where is the temple Mount? Where is King Solomons Temple? Where is there proof in the historical record outside of the judeo-christian construct the existence of slaves in Kemet? This crap was written 2000 years ago and stated to be from 4,000 years before that. So we have a 6000 year old earth? Cmon. lol |
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Post by Oren Ishii on Jan 14, 2010 14:40:46 GMT -5
I have to concede the point that consideration must be given to the viability of a premise once it is found that part of that premise is false. Yes, I've done a "bit" of reading in my day. I've been studying Egypt since I could read. In fact, i considred pursuing a Ph.D. in Egyptology for about 2 years. From my memory of hieroglypics [IIRC], the ancients (Egyptians) didn't use vowels, so KMT was the proper name for Egypt. If it were an acronym, I wonder what it would stand for. I could talk Egypt all day, (Book of the Dead, Temple of Isis, etc.), but I'm already considered a nerd on this board, so I'll hush up. LOL If one comes along and finds that evidence is scarce for any of the characters or events that were supposedly ushered in by "God" then we must entertain the notion that the entire premise is false. p.s. I noticed you spelled Kemet without the Vowel E showing you have been doing some reading. Do you think it was called KMT or maybe it was an acronym? |
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Post by denounced on Jan 18, 2010 9:14:52 GMT -5
Fact of the matter is that I am a Christian. Jesus, God in the flesh, mentions Noah, Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, Jonah (and the actual account of his ordeal), Elijah, etc. So I guess He was making them up as well. As I said to you before, the Bible has been proven historically reliable. If you would like to take it a step further, you have the Apostles and Stephen giving an account to Biblical history as well, including the EXODUS. So I guess all of these guys were day dreaming about these historical accounts.
By the way, I have not even covered all the Old Testament accounts mentioned in the New Testament. Oh yeah, and let's take it back, alllllllllllllll the way back to Adam. Yep!!!!!!!! Even he is mentioned in the New Testament account.
Here is Stephen's account
Acts 7
1Then said the high priest, Are these things so?
2And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,
3And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.
4Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
5And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.
6And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.
7And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.
8And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.
9And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him,
10And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house.
11Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction: and our fathers found no sustenance.
12But when Jacob heard that there was corn in Egypt, he sent out our fathers first.
13And at the second time Joseph was made known to his brethren; and Joseph's kindred was made known unto Pharaoh.
14Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls.
15So Jacob went down into Egypt, and died, he, and our fathers,
16And were carried over into Sychem, and laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor the father of Sychem.
17But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt,
18Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph.
19The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.
20In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months:
21And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son.
22And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.
23And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel.
24And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian:
25For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.
26And the next day he shewed himself unto them as they strove, and would have set them at one again, saying, Sirs, ye are brethren; why do ye wrong one to another?
27But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us?
28Wilt thou kill me, as thou diddest the Egyptian yesterday?
29Then fled Moses at this saying, and was a stranger in the land of Madian, where he begat two sons.
30And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
31When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the LORD came unto him,
32Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold.
33Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground.
34I have seen, I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send thee into Egypt.
35This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
36He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years.
37This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
38This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
39To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,
40Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
41And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.
42Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
43Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
44Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
45Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;
46Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.
47But Solomon built him an house.
48Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
49Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
50Hath not my hand made all these things?
51Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
54When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
57Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
59And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
60And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
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Post by denounced on Jan 18, 2010 9:18:50 GMT -5
Well whadda ya know--------------- King Solomon's Temple. Whole lotta history hear Chuck! I'll stick to the Word of God. You got Abraham, Moses, Joseph, some Pharaohs, David, Jacob, Isaac.................. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jan 18, 2010 13:32:12 GMT -5
Actually Denounced the bible is very fallible. The bible can't be used as a historical source as most if not all events stated til this day we have no archaeological proof. If Jesus really did the things stated in the bible this dude would have been plastered everywhere. Your religion is but a continuation of fallacies propagated first by the Hyksos who were KICKED OUT of Kemet. They didn't leave they were banished. Not one actually King or Queen in Africa is referred to by name that would fit the timeline of the bible in the bible. Basically historians have to back track and say well they were talking about this pharoah or this queen etc. lol
Stick to faith Denounced because the Judeo-Christian religion has NO FACTS.
You mentioned Noah... Explain to me how can one man and his sons and WHOM EVER their wives were... Spawn every race of people repopulate the earth in one generation? You have a medicinal marijuana prescription don't ya? Slide some of that green ova you chiefin. lol
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Post by Oren Ishii on Jan 18, 2010 14:23:43 GMT -5
^^ This exchange is a prime example of precisely the reason I stay out of the Religion section. LOL
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Post by Julie Art on Jan 20, 2010 0:38:21 GMT -5
^^ This exchange is a prime example of precisely the reason I stay out of the Religion section. LOL Lol! Two extremes, insults, no point. I feel ya! |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jan 20, 2010 12:30:00 GMT -5
^^ This exchange is a prime example of precisely the reason I stay out of the Religion section. LOL Nothing wrong with Satire sistah during a conversation. Religion is a sensitive subject for most so you have to balance the equation some how. Furthermore I think the biggest insult to humanity is conscious ignorance. Most are emotionally attached to their imaginations and just can't break free from the mundane..... |
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Post by Oren Ishii on Jan 22, 2010 14:59:54 GMT -5
PREACH!!! Furthermore I think the biggest insult to humanity is conscious ignorance. |
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Post by denounced on Jan 23, 2010 6:53:45 GMT -5
Actually Denounced the bible is very fallible. The bible can't be used as a historical source as most if not all events stated til this day we have no archaeological proof. If Jesus really did the things stated in the bible this dude would have been plastered everywhere. Your religion is but a continuation of fallacies propagated first by the Hyksos who were KICKED OUT of Kemet. They didn't leave they were banished. Not one actually King or Queen in Africa is referred to by name that would fit the timeline of the bible in the bible. Basically historians have to back track and say well they were talking about this pharoah or this queen etc. lol Stick to faith Denounced because the Judeo-Christian religion has NO FACTS. You mentioned Noah... Explain to me how can one man and his sons and WHOM EVER their wives were... Spawn every race of people repopulate the earth in one generation? You have a medicinal marijuana prescription don't ya? Slide some of that green ova you chiefin. lol If I'm smokin' weed, I would hate to see the cocktail of drugs you do on a Monday morning. LOL!!!!!! As for your NO FACTS and fallibility, once again NO FACTS FOR THAT STATEMENT. I believe here or on the old OO that I mentioned the Ebla Tablets; do your research. www.christiananswers.net/q-aiia/aiia-arch1.htmlwww.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.htmlArchaeological and External Evidence for the Bible Archeology consistently confirms the Bible! Archaeology and the Old Testament Archaeology and the New Testament External References to Jesus and the Christian Church. www.faithfacts.org/search-for-truth/maps/archaeological-and-external-evidence |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jan 25, 2010 23:07:38 GMT -5
Listen Denounced your sites have circumstantial evidence. Furthermore mentioning people in the bible and finding their names and or presence is arbitrary when you lie about them. Fact remains without a shadow of a doubt you can't prove the existence of your main characters. Adam, Eve.... Abraham or Sarah, Noah, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Jesus. We know Mesopotamia, Kemet, Nubia/Kush existed. What I don't accept and will not accept is the bastardized account of the aforementioned histories. I mean there is factual evidence showing the Hyksos as invaders who were kicked out of Kemet. Ahmose I and then finished off by Thutmoses III and Queen Hatsheput. The BEAST then names his fake champion MOSES and claims he was enslaved and lead out by his God when he fact they got their asses kicked right hands and foreskins chopped off. The BEAST then turns around and puts the action as a rite of passage for David to marry the daughter of Saul in 1 Samuel 18:27. lol
Brothers didn't stop there they also ran up on them again in Meggiddeo and put a beat down on there asses again so bad that your Armageddon story derives from it. Stop worshiping the damn BEAST and get some knowledge of self black man. It's 2010 brother wake up.
Here is the video from brother Ashra Kwesi detailing the account while in Kemet showing it on the walls. Gotta go to the youtube to watch it because embedding is blocked.
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Post by denounced on Jan 28, 2010 14:30:02 GMT -5
VP- I am not going to peat and repeat myself on the historical reliability of the Bible. But your statement of not believing will hopefully bring me to my last point on the matter.
IF someone found Noah's Ark, COMPLETELY INTACT AND PRESERVED, rolled it down I-95 from Florida to Maine, there would still be GAINSAYERS mocking the Bible and looking intently for evidence that it is not Noah's Ark, even if someone like you said it was.
My dad was a professor of Egyptology and I have read some of his stuff. He told me the same old hullabaloo about this and that being written on walls. His reason for leaving Jesus......... He was a prejudiced individual................ I will leave it at that.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jan 29, 2010 0:36:04 GMT -5
VP- I am not going to peat and repeat myself on the historical reliability of the Bible. But your statement of not believing will hopefully bring me to my last point on the matter. IF someone found Noah's Ark, COMPLETELY INTACT AND PRESERVED, rolled it down I-95 from Florida to Maine, there would still be GAINSAYERS mocking the Bible and looking intently for evidence that it is not Noah's Ark, even if someone like you said it was. My dad was a professor of Egyptology and I have read some of his stuff. He told me the same old hullabaloo about this and that being written on walls. His reason for leaving Jesus......... He was a prejudiced individual................ I will leave it at that. I hear ya Denounced. I'm just sayin you gotta wonder sometimes... how can folks find million year old humans, thousands of years old smelting pits of Iron, but we can't find evidence of characters whom supposedly existed just 6,000 years ago. I mean showing the Empty Tomb of Jesus should have been easy right? It should be in or near the Garden where he was crucified as it is stated in the text right? |
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Post by denounced on Jan 29, 2010 12:28:46 GMT -5
Listen Denounced your sites have circumstantial evidence. Furthermore mentioning people in the bible and finding their names and or presence is arbitrary when you lie about them. Fact remains without a shadow of a doubt you can't prove the existence of your main characters. Adam, Eve.... Abraham or Sarah, Noah, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Jesus. We know Mesopotamia, Kemet, Nubia/Kush existed. What I don't accept and will not accept is the bastardized account of the aforementioned histories. I mean there is factual evidence showing the Hyksos as invaders who were kicked out of Kemet. Ahmose I and then finished off by Thutmoses III and Queen Hatsheput. The BEAST then names his fake champion MOSES and claims he was enslaved and lead out by his God when he fact they got their asses kicked right hands and foreskins chopped off. The BEAST then turns around and puts the action as a rite of passage for David to marry the daughter of Saul in 1 Samuel 18:27. lol Brothers didn't stop there they also ran up on them again in Meggiddeo and put a beat down on there asses again so bad that your Armageddon story derives from it. Stop worshiping the damn BEAST and get some knowledge of self black man. It's 2010 brother wake up. Here is the video from brother Ashra Kwesi detailing the account while in Kemet showing it on the walls. Gotta go to the youtube to watch it because embedding is blocked. Who is Kwesi? "Kwesi believes that white's are by nature violent, destructive, and sexually perverse. The tapes are peppered with such terms as 'the faggot Pope,' and 'faggot America.' Kwesi claims that white European's stole the humane religious monotheism of ancient Egypt and perverted it. He refers to the European Jews as the 'so-called Jews.' The tape contains a long, bitter, and vulgar attack on Christianity and ends with a prophetic vision of world without white people. Kwesi contends that white men fear the superiority of dark skinned people for they realize that they are destined to extinction. It is this fear that motivates them to attempts of genocide against Black people. After viewing the tape, Leonard Jeffries commented, 'This is the most powerful slide presentation I have seen, Ashra Kwesi has really brought our history to life...' To my surprise, Mr. Gant, our Minority Affairs Officer, did not seem to understand my concerns regarding the materials and was initially unwilling to remove them from the shelves. It took a year of discussion and debate before the issue was settled. Fortunately, I found allies among African American scholars all across campus as well as from the administration." www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/staff/webpages/site.cfm?LinkID=328&eventID=34"My Challenge to Kwesi. For Kwesi’s contentions to be relevant it is indispensable that he posit contentions that extend into the early centuries and are of relevance to the roots of Christianity. If he is going to promote himself as a scholar it is primary that he afford us the substantiation and discourse that is axiomatic of genuine scholarship. Showing late Roman paintings, sculptures, and Catholic architecture is inconsequential slighting. This of course begs a question that the astute reader should cautiously reflect: If Christianity is entrenched in the Ancient Egyptian religions then why don’t we have any ancient texts that argue it as progeny of Egyptian eschatology? Christianity was certainly subject to superfluous criticism since the nadir of its inception by both the most erudite Jewish thinkers and Roman alike. Lucian of Samosta and Celsius, two particularly shrewd early examples, attempted to refute Christianity in their works so why did they neglect to make mention of its allegedly pagan origins when they had every motive to do so and were certainly within the position to discern? (After all in Paul’s own words Christianity has always been axiomatically contingent upon the historicity of its central monolith which was being argued since its inception.)(13) In addition we would most expect the Delphinine Apolloic Priest Plutarch (who is the standard ancient source on Egyptology in the second century and was well acquainted with Christianity) to have addressed this in his works. One may contend that the Christians somehow sought out and destroyed these early texts but such an immature argument is appropriately extirpated by the reality that the early Christians had no such power or positional authority to possibly carry out the censoring of any documents." benstanhope.blogspot.com/2009/12/ashra-kwesi-refuted_28.htmlAs I stated about my dad, prejudice fueled his apostasy from the Gospel. There is no difference between my father, Kwesi, and the like. |
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Post by denounced on Jan 29, 2010 14:30:38 GMT -5
The millions of years issue has been put to rest in the sense of scientific evaluation. As for finding things even 2-6 thousand years ago, there are some things that cannot be found 100-200 years ago. The Dead Sea Scrolls were found, accidentally, approximately 1900 years from the time they were written. There are plenty of archaelogical finds that prove that certain people or things existed. You want to hang your hat on those that have not been found, which is a paperweight thesis sitting on top of thin air. Many critics said that David never existed, FOUND! Then they said that writing didn't exist until well after Moses, WRONG! Then critics questioned the existence of the five cities on the plain, FOUND! “The Bible has nothing to fear from the archeologist’s shovel.” Unknown "David of course was the most loved of all of Israel’s kings. Some liberal scholars though had denied that King David was a historical figure because there was no mention of him outside of the Bible. Their skepticism changed in 1993." www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2406797/postsThat's almost 3000 years............. The real issue is when all literature is judged in the same light, There is no close 2nd to the Bible's reliability, accuracy, and truthfulness. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Feb 4, 2010 14:15:16 GMT -5
The millions of years issue has been put to rest in the sense of scientific evaluation. As for finding things even 2-6 thousand years ago, there are some things that cannot be found 100-200 years ago. The Dead Sea Scrolls were found, accidentally, approximately 1900 years from the time they were written. There are plenty of archaelogical finds that prove that certain people or things existed. You want to hang your hat on those that have not been found, which is a paperweight thesis sitting on top of thin air. Many critics said that David never existed, FOUND! Then they said that writing didn't exist until well after Moses, WRONG! Then critics questioned the existence of the five cities on the plain, FOUND! “The Bible has nothing to fear from the archeologist’s shovel.” Unknown "David of course was the most loved of all of Israel’s kings. Some liberal scholars though had denied that King David was a historical figure because there was no mention of him outside of the Bible. Their skepticism changed in 1993." www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2406797/postsThat's almost 3000 years............. The real issue is when all literature is judged in the same light, There is no close 2nd to the Bible's reliability, accuracy, and truthfulness. The bible doesn't stand a chance in the face of science which is why the Church persecuted scientist early on. Lets look Science proves woman doesn't come from man. Anatomically speaking men are not missing a rib. Science proves the world is far older than biblical stories. Once you get beyond 4004 bce as in concern to Judeo/Christianity you'll be hard pressed to find any evidence of the faith. Muslim state the Quran is updated every 25,000 years which is a farce and a play on the Great year of the equinox procession which is slightly above 25,000 years. I say stick with Faith as in concern to your religious "beliefs". When trying to push it as fact.... you will lose everytime. |
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Post by denounced on Feb 5, 2010 18:35:45 GMT -5
The millions of years issue has been put to rest in the sense of scientific evaluation. As for finding things even 2-6 thousand years ago, there are some things that cannot be found 100-200 years ago. The Dead Sea Scrolls were found, accidentally, approximately 1900 years from the time they were written. There are plenty of archaelogical finds that prove that certain people or things existed. You want to hang your hat on those that have not been found, which is a paperweight thesis sitting on top of thin air. Many critics said that David never existed, FOUND! Then they said that writing didn't exist until well after Moses, WRONG! Then critics questioned the existence of the five cities on the plain, FOUND! “The Bible has nothing to fear from the archeologist’s shovel.” Unknown "David of course was the most loved of all of Israel’s kings. Some liberal scholars though had denied that King David was a historical figure because there was no mention of him outside of the Bible. Their skepticism changed in 1993." www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2406797/postsThat's almost 3000 years............. The real issue is when all literature is judged in the same light, There is no close 2nd to the Bible's reliability, accuracy, and truthfulness. The bible doesn't stand a chance in the face of science which is why the Church persecuted scientist early on. Lets look Science proves woman doesn't come from man. Anatomically speaking men are not missing a rib. Science proves the world is far older than biblical stories. Once you get beyond 4004 bce as in concern to Judeo/Christianity you'll be hard pressed to find any evidence of the faith. Muslim state the Quran is updated every 25,000 years which is a farce and a play on the Great year of the equinox procession which is slightly above 25,000 years. I say stick with Faith as in concern to your religious "beliefs". When trying to push it as fact.... you will lose everytime. You're joking right? This is a joke. LOL! The old missing rib. You are a joke. If he had it to begin with, the DNA wouldn't change. If you remove a rib from me today, it doesn't mean my DNA would ADJUST, and my children have a missing rib. And you say science gives Christians problems, well Vudu, I am a scientist, so there you go. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Feb 5, 2010 20:35:18 GMT -5
The bible doesn't stand a chance in the face of science which is why the Church persecuted scientist early on. Lets look Science proves woman doesn't come from man. Anatomically speaking men are not missing a rib. Science proves the world is far older than biblical stories. Once you get beyond 4004 bce as in concern to Judeo/Christianity you'll be hard pressed to find any evidence of the faith. Muslim state the Quran is updated every 25,000 years which is a farce and a play on the Great year of the equinox procession which is slightly above 25,000 years. I say stick with Faith as in concern to your religious "beliefs". When trying to push it as fact.... you will lose everytime. You're joking right? This is a joke. LOL! The old missing rib. You are a joke. If he had it to begin with, the DNA wouldn't change. If you remove a rib from me today, it doesn't mean my DNA would ADJUST, and my children have a missing rib. And you say science gives Christians problems, well Vudu, I am a scientist, so there you go. Way to take the bait Balderman Davis. So lets begin.. Who decides the sex of the Child, Man or Woman? Who gives man his Mitochondrial DNA? Can the man Pass on his Mitochondrial DNA to his children? What is the role of Mitochondrial DNA as it pertains to Human Beings and our existence? I'll wait...... |
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Post by denounced on Feb 7, 2010 9:12:48 GMT -5
"Anatomically speaking men are not missing a rib." VP
I knew I had heard about this somewhere. When a rib bone is removed carefully, leaving the periosteum intact, the rib will grow back.
I took the bait, but where's the hook?
I'll wait......
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Feb 8, 2010 10:52:35 GMT -5
"Anatomically speaking men are not missing a rib." VP I knew I had heard about this somewhere. When a rib bone is removed carefully, leaving the periosteum intact, the rib will grow back. I took the bait, but where's the hook? I'll wait...... The hook is you speaking on science in an attempt to prove your faith as truth. I see you didn't answer the questions posed and I don't blame you I wouldn't either. lol. Lets go another route.. Does the Bone of Ribs have significant amounts of marrow? Was Eve made from the bone or from the marrow? What are the indicators of bone marrow transplants for the recipients? lol. running from it will not save you Denounced. |
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Post by Oren Ishii on Feb 8, 2010 14:57:12 GMT -5
You guys are STILL going? SMH This is why I love you though... I know the answers to your DNA questions too, VP  Good convo...just try not to "verbally" eviscerate each other, please? |
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Post by denounced on Feb 8, 2010 16:50:57 GMT -5
You're joking right? This is a joke. LOL! The old missing rib. You are a joke. If he had it to begin with, the DNA wouldn't change. If you remove a rib from me today, it doesn't mean my DNA would ADJUST, and my children have a missing rib. And you say science gives Christians problems, well Vudu, I am a scientist, so there you go. Way to take the bait Balderman Davis. So lets begin.. Who decides the sex of the Child, Man or Woman? Who gives man his Mitochondrial DNA? Can the man Pass on his Mitochondrial DNA to his children? What is the role of Mitochondrial DNA as it pertains to Human Beings and our existence? I'll wait...... Depends on the conditions Both Yes- it is not normal. Mitochondria, just many other functions of the human body are necessary. Genetic family trees. Sorry, but the little old lady they claim to be 200,000 years old is a fatally flawed, evolutionist theory. |
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