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Post by Cambist on Feb 25, 2010 11:11:40 GMT -5
That $100,000 is going to be good bait. And if they don't get what they want, MTV and Sprite will pump up the controversy about D9's not wanting to compete and up the prize to $250,000....negros will run to the competition then....all the while looking like a crackhead selling mommas toaster. Either compete and accept the winner or object and not compete on principle. If each national headquarters said hayle naw, no one is competing in the name of XYZ, there goes that theory  (I do hope they do this like they did years back with that MTV thing about reality life of joining a greek org.) Once again, I need for people to understand that no one individual, or no one chapter or handful of chapters makes the decision for the group for the whole with D9 orgs. That is headquarters' job and if word comes from them that no one is competing in name of XYZ, they aren't no matter how big or tempting the prize is, period. Why you rolling your eyes? You're right...if the D9 orgs say that we shouldn't participate then we wont. What are the chances of our orgs doing that? Especially since 2 Alpha teams won big money with this project. This is different than the pledging show on MTV (which I thought was the dumbest idea ever conceived). But as I said, we should either compete and accept the results or not compete on principle...not just because we don't agree with who won. |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Feb 25, 2010 11:22:05 GMT -5
I hope you roll your eyes to sleep... LOL...this sounds like something my mother would have said to me when I first learned how to roll my eyes. |
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Post by Coldfront06 on Feb 25, 2010 11:32:36 GMT -5
When we popularize something, it becomes a part of pop culture and we can't expect others to not try to capitalize on it. Thats just unrealistic. The only way to stop others from attempting to capitalize on the popularity of stepping is to prevent stepping from becoming popular. School Daze, A Different World, Stomp the Yard, holding step shows in public clubs for prize money, etc. have basically all contributed to stepping becoming a part of pop culture, not just Black culture. Only a matter of time before Whites became involved. There is no way that Sprite could have sponsored this event and NOT opened it to all organizations. Our only option was to not participate in the first place, and I don't think there was a snowball's chance in hell that the majority of undergrad chapters wouldn't be lining up for a chance to win $100k for winning a step show.
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Post by Alc 06 on Feb 25, 2010 11:34:04 GMT -5
Let's say that the orgs (governing bodies) dictate that members don't participate, who says that teams won't participate as the "Old Gold Soldiers", "Krimson and Kream Dream Team", etc. That prize money is too tempting to too many people
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Post by ReignMan19 on Feb 25, 2010 11:36:20 GMT -5
Let's say that the orgs (governing bodies) dictate that members don't participate, who says that teams won't participate as the "Old Gold Soldiers", "Krimson and Kream Dream Team", etc. That prize money is too tempting to too many people Hell governing bodies tell orgs they are no longer active on campuses and you still get Pretty People Inc and Goldmembers ... once the flood gates are open its hard to close them.. |
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Post by Cambist on Feb 25, 2010 11:46:29 GMT -5
@ Cold - Right on
@ Alc and RM - y'all some fools! But absolutely correct.
If you were an undergrad....you'd be fighting your national organization if they decided to ban chapters from participating. $100,000?? Come on son! Im thinking about putting together an old timers group and getting out there!
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Post by funkadelic on Feb 25, 2010 11:51:59 GMT -5
Since the AKAs (pay them their $100,000) are now co-first place winners rightly the Deltas (pay them their $50,000) should be second place winners and then they need to check the scores and announce a new third place winner. In fact SGRho and ZPB should be paid as well. Sprite messed up - pay everybody. I read somewhere on facebook that sprite told the judges before the final competition started that ZTA would be declared the winner. Next year the D9 should not participate.
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Post by Alc 06 on Feb 25, 2010 11:53:23 GMT -5
@ Cold - Right on @ Alc and RM - y'all some fools! But absolutely correct. If you were an undergrad....you'd be fighting your national organization if they decided to ban chapters from participating. $100,000?? Come on son! Im thinking about putting together an old timers group and getting out there! Lol. Plus you know people start thinking "hey the field may be smaller, so we have less competition" So go ahead and get your old school "old" gold team started Cam lol |
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 25, 2010 11:56:42 GMT -5
Let's say that the orgs (governing bodies) dictate that members don't participate, who says that teams won't participate as the "Old Gold Soldiers", "Krimson and Kream Dream Team", etc. That prize money is too tempting to too many people If they do do it as a "disguised team", how many people will actually come out their own pockets to pay the entry fee, by the uniforms, props, and anything else needed for the show? If you step in the name of the org., it comes from the chapter funds. Something else to think about. With a show this magnitude, you going to come out your pocket, and I can't see college students having money like that on their own accord. |
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 25, 2010 12:00:35 GMT -5
Let's say that the orgs (governing bodies) dictate that members don't participate, who says that teams won't participate as the "Old Gold Soldiers", "Krimson and Kream Dream Team", etc. That prize money is too tempting to too many people Hell governing bodies tell orgs they are no longer active on campuses and you still get Pretty People Inc and Goldmembers ... once the flood gates are open its hard to close them.. That may be so, but, that chapter will die because they aren't allowed to bring in members. Those "Pretty People Inc" will graduate, and what's left? And I promise you those funds used to put on whatever production did not come form the chapter funds, but their own pockets. Some members are willing to do this, others aren't. |
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Post by Cambist on Feb 25, 2010 12:01:10 GMT -5
Let's say that the orgs (governing bodies) dictate that members don't participate, who says that teams won't participate as the "Old Gold Soldiers", "Krimson and Kream Dream Team", etc. That prize money is too tempting to too many people If they do do it as a "disguised team", how many people will actually come out their own pockets to pay the entry fee, by the uniforms, props, and anything else needed for the show? If you step in the name of the org., it comes from the chapter funds. Something else to think about. With a show this magnitude, you going to come out your pocket, and I can't see college students having money like that on their own accord. I agree taht most wouldnt...but I know some chapters that would most definately do it. A couple here in Arkansas. |
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Post by Julie Art on Feb 25, 2010 12:02:06 GMT -5
All in all, I'm bowing out this conversation. It's becoming a "beaten the dead horse" topic.
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Post by Blu on Feb 25, 2010 12:03:48 GMT -5
If they do do it as a "disguised team", how many people will actually come out their own pockets to pay the entry fee, by the uniforms, props, and anything else needed for the show? If you step in the name of the org., it comes from the chapter funds. Something else to think about. With a show this magnitude, you going to come out your pocket, and I can't see college students having money like that on their own accord. I agree taht most wouldnt...but I know some chapters that would most definately do it. A couple here in Arkansas. We (Sigmas) definitely have some All Star Teams that don't seem to step for a chapter that enter these tournaments for money purposes only. |
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Post by Cambist on Feb 25, 2010 12:04:07 GMT -5
It's actually been a dead horse topic since it started.....
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Post by Alc 06 on Feb 25, 2010 12:16:05 GMT -5
Yeah several in Atlanta would. But yes, many wouldn't. At the same time, for 100k I'm sure many would try
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 25, 2010 12:28:22 GMT -5
I actually have a friend who is a Tau Chapter AKA, I should just go to her and ask her what her Chapter Sorors felt about this whole thing and are they indeed getting a co-1st place with money.
I went to Sprite's website last night and honestly where it made the annoucement about the co 1st place it looked like it got hacked. There's no reason why they couldn't update their own website with the announcement. Call me a skeptic (I am), I just don't quite believe it yet. And if it is true - I'm happy for the AKAs, but the credibility of this whole thing gets even worse (as if that were possible)
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 25, 2010 12:31:58 GMT -5
So...
Following the logic being espoused now... as long as someone throws money at us, we're powerless to avoid participation. If MTV came to individual chapters and said, "we'll pay you $100,000 if you let us document your intake process" then it's just going to happen. I mean if we make it popular they're going to do that too, and commercialization is simply unavoidable.
Gotcha
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Post by Cambist on Feb 25, 2010 12:41:11 GMT -5
So...
Following the logic being espoused now... as long as someone throws money at us, we're powerless to avoid participation. If MTV came to individual chapters and said, "we'll pay you $100,000 if you let us document your intake process" then it's just going to happen. I mean if we make it popular they're going to do that too, and commercialization is simply unavoidable.
Gotcha Intake is different and you know it. Also, we are not "powerless to avoid participation"...but since no one has denounced this event...why shouldn't they participate? This is a stepshow...some chapters make entering and winning stepshows their main revenue source! It's a public event that is performed for greek and non-greek alike. So for Sprite to offer $100,000 to a CHAPTER....come on....think back to when you were a undergrad.... |
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Post by FatalDST on Feb 25, 2010 12:43:26 GMT -5
Interesting.  @ AKA's are now CO-Winners.... |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 25, 2010 12:45:16 GMT -5
SOOOOO..... What yawl think about the latest... AKA's are now CO-Winners.... After the National Finals Competition this past weekend in Atlanta wrapped, we got together to do our post-competition review and found a scoring discrepancy in the sorority results. After looking at it and looking at it AGAIN, we determined there isn’t a definitive resolution.
Sprite is all about preserving the honesty and integrity of this competition. Because the scoring discrepancy can’t be resolved and due to the really tight margin between the first and second place sorors, we feel that the only right thing to do is to name both Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc., Tau Chapter & Zeta Tau Alpha, Epsilon Chapter, co-first place winners of the Sprite Step Off.
With these revised results, we’re gonna increase Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc., Tau Chapter’s scholarship prize to $100K, consistent with what Zeta Tau Alpha also got for their first prize winnings. |
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Post by FatalDST on Feb 25, 2010 12:45:49 GMT -5
yah, I just edited.... I didnt read all the posts first.. then I saw yours! LOL
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Post by T-Rex91 on Feb 25, 2010 12:51:26 GMT -5
what thread (except random and games) holds the record for most pages? Just wonderin.....
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 25, 2010 12:56:08 GMT -5
So...
Following the logic being espoused now... as long as someone throws money at us, we're powerless to avoid participation. If MTV came to individual chapters and said, "we'll pay you $100,000 if you let us document your intake process" then it's just going to happen. I mean if we make it popular they're going to do that too, and commercialization is simply unavoidable.
Gotcha Intake is different and you know it. Also, we are not "powerless to avoid participation"...but since no one has denounced this event...why shouldn't they participate? This is a stepshow...some chapters make entering and winning stepshows their main revenue source! It's a public event that is performed for greek and non-greek alike. So for Sprite to offer $100,000 to a CHAPTER....come on....think back to when you were a undergrad....
What's different Cam? Sacredness? Tradition? Is it somehow inappropriate for commercial consumption? Have we come full circle yet on this? |
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Post by Cambist on Feb 25, 2010 13:04:29 GMT -5
Would some chapter, if offered, agree to do a documentary on intake? Of course. I'm sure some chapter of EVERY organization would have a price. But just like when our rituals or items claiming to be our rituals show up on the internet, we have legal recourse.
The difference is, stepping is something we do publicly. We made it a public event. We taught it to church groups so they could "praise step". We taught it to youth groups. We had no vocal or otherwise expressed problems with dormatories having step shows against each other.
We also didn't have a problem with the possibility of winning $100,000....until a white team won. Now its about principle. I'm not saying that you didn't object before because I remember many on this board having issues with this event but not enough had an issue with this event until "We" didn't win.
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Post by Blu on Feb 25, 2010 13:37:08 GMT -5
I actually have a friend who is a Tau Chapter AKA, I should just go to her and ask her what her Chapter Sorors felt about this whole thing and are they indeed getting a co-1st place with money.
I went to Sprite's website last night and honestly where it made the annoucement about the co 1st place it looked like it got hacked. There's no reason why they couldn't update their own website with the announcement. Call me a skeptic (I am), I just don't quite believe it yet. And if it is true - I'm happy for the AKAs, but the credibility of this whole thing gets even worse (as if that were possible) If it's not true, Sprite needs to do some damage control because it just hit the AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution)...lol www.accessatlanta.com/atlanta-events/scoring-discrepancy-changes-results-329103.html |
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Post by Troopa1911 on Feb 25, 2010 13:38:01 GMT -5
News travels fast around here...I was going to report that D9online.com just made an announcement.
about the AKA's being co-winners
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 25, 2010 13:42:18 GMT -5
www.accessatlanta.com/atlanta-events/scoring-discrepancy-changes-results-329103.html
Well now it's being reported in media outlets.
I guess if we all had just "gotten" over it and moved on the AKAs who deserved to win would just have been a casualty of inevitable commercialism. I for am glad I said the contest was a bad idea before it happened, glad that I'm not the only who looked at the step show performances objectively and saw that the AKAs clearly had the winning performance and shouldn't have to accept 2nd for a litany of false arguments like, "black people are now winning gold medals in skating so it's okay for a white team to win a step show" (yeah I actually read on some other sites where people posited this as though it was logic)
Hmmm... I wonder what caused this about face? Surely not the bloggings of a few angry folks. Perhaps there WAS an issue that needed to be addressed, perhaps the D9 leadership DID exert some pressure afterall.
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Post by Cambist on Feb 25, 2010 13:46:56 GMT -5
Perhaps a bunch of Black folks bytching IS enough to force a consideration about marketing directives.
*shrugs*
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Post by Troopa1911 on Feb 25, 2010 13:51:47 GMT -5
Perhaps a bunch of Black folks bytching IS enough to force a consideration about marketing directives. *shrugs*
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 25, 2010 14:02:27 GMT -5
Perhaps a bunch of Black folks bytching IS enough to force a consideration about marketing directives. *shrugs*
*Kanye Shrugs* |
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