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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 26, 2010 14:23:50 GMT -5
the term "abomination" is interesting to me. Other translations render it "detestable." Homosexual behavior (though not the state of being a celibate homosexual) and bestiality are by no means the only ones. Divorce, Spiritism, Consultation of psychics and slanderous judgment are all among that which the bible considers abominable. Be assured, people who engage in illicit heterosexual behavior are judged in the same manner as homosexuals. Indeed, I say a non-practicing homosexual Christian is better off than an unmarried sexually active heterosexual one.
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Post by godfirstmelast on Aug 26, 2010 19:26:11 GMT -5
nowhere in the passage you pointed out does it say that promiscuity is an abomination, or detestable, but i do see your point. you cant enter god's kingdom either way unless you repent and get it together.
so let me pose another question: you have Jane and Shonda. Jane was promiscious during her teenage years, but got married, got saved and repented, and never relived that point in her life again. she has never cheated on her husband.
then you have Shonda, who, while not promiscious, is sexually attracted to women and has a monagomous relationship with her lifelong partner. shonda, too, proclaims to be saved. but how will she enter god's kingdom if she engages on the regular in a practice that God detests?
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Post by peppermint on Aug 26, 2010 23:49:35 GMT -5
peppermint A guy who slept around with a lot of women is not the same as a guy who slept with a few men. thats a whole different gender. the bible says promiscuity and homosexuality are both sins, but homosexuality is an abomination.... Let's be honest here... is the opposition is that one behavior is preceived as more vile than the other? If the basis of being "formerly" gay, is that God has delivered him/her from their homosexuality why is that so unbelievable? Yet we believe someone when she/he says God has delivered from promiscuity. Both are sexual sins that demonstrate a lack of self control. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 27, 2010 8:23:09 GMT -5
nowhere in the passage you pointed out does it say that promiscuity is an abomination, or detestable, but i do see your point. you cant enter god's kingdom either way unless you repent and get it together. so let me pose another question: you have Jane and Shonda. Jane was promiscious during her teenage years, but got married, got saved and repented, and never relived that point in her life again. she has never cheated on her husband. then you have Shonda, who, while not promiscious, is sexually attracted to women and has a monagomous relationship with her lifelong partner. shonda, too, proclaims to be saved. but how will she enter god's kingdom if she engages on the regular in a practice that God detests? I sincerely hope that this doesn't seem snide, but I don't have a choice other than to refer you back to your own statement above (which tells me that you already know the answer). ... you cant enter God's kingdom either way unless you repent and get it together. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 27, 2010 8:27:19 GMT -5
peppermint A guy who slept around with a lot of women is not the same as a guy who slept with a few men. thats a whole different gender. the bible says promiscuity and homosexuality are both sins, but homosexuality is an abomination.... Let's be honest here... is the opposition is that one behavior is preceived as more vile than the other? If the basis of being "formerly" gay, is that God has delivered him/her from their homosexuality why is that so unbelievable? Yet we believe someone when she/he says God has delivered from promiscuity. Both are sexual sins that demonstrate a lack of self control. because "promiscuity" is a behavior. Something a person can stop doing. If I take a hooker, tie her hands and feet and refuse to let her see the light of day, she will eventually cease to be promiscuous (at least for that period of time). A person's sexual orientation is so much more than who, if anyone, they sleep with. If that weren't true, there would be no such thing as a celibate heterosexual. |
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Post by peppermint on Aug 27, 2010 17:24:19 GMT -5
^^^ Addiction is a trait, not a behavior. Can people not be delivered from addiction?
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 30, 2010 8:07:42 GMT -5
For the record, I think God can do anything He wants. And if He wants to miraculously deliver a person from anything that may be plaguing them, He most certainly can do so.
To answer your question though, addiction is another good example. A person can cease to drink and do drugs, but that doesn't mean they aren't still addicted. Isn't that why AA members still refer to themselves as alcoholics? Former user, yes. Presently still an addict. The disease process is still in effect, they're just...not acting on it anymore. What would happen if a former alcoholic who had successfully controlled his behavior for years had a single drink? Wouldn't he almost certainly lapse right back into it? In like manner, I don't believe that just because a Christian has avoided same-sex contact for years, he is necessarily "delivered" from that trait.
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Post by ReignMan19 on Aug 30, 2010 9:23:59 GMT -5
Hmm this is interesting.. So I have a question not sure if its the most intelligent one..
What exactly is homosexuality???
I grew up basically thinking it was a societial choice but I have come to the conclusion folks just don't decide to be gay like folks don't decide to be straight.. So how does that exactly happen??
Is it a mental illness? A developmental flaw?
I'm def not keen on the assumption that folks are born that way.
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 30, 2010 9:33:48 GMT -5
I have a theory...that is extremely un-PC, so I usually keep it myself. But I will say, that whether homosexuality is genetic or not, my treatment of the concept remains the same.
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Post by ReignMan19 on Aug 30, 2010 9:38:33 GMT -5
Soo you just gon leave a brother hanging on the theory.. PM please and thanks..
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Post by Bathroom Model on Aug 30, 2010 15:27:51 GMT -5
Hmm this is interesting.. So I have a question not sure if its the most intelligent one.. What exactly is homosexuality??? I grew up basically thinking it was a societial choice but I have come to the conclusion folks just don't decide to be gay like folks don't decide to be straight.. So how does that exactly happen?? Is it a mental illness? A developmental flaw? I'm def not keen on the assumption that folks are born that way. |
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Post by peppermint on Sept 10, 2010 20:35:46 GMT -5
Hmm this is interesting.. So I have a question not sure if its the most intelligent one.. What exactly is homosexuality??? I grew up basically thinking it was a societial choice but I have come to the conclusion folks just don't decide to be gay like folks don't decide to be straight.. So how does that exactly happen?? Is it a mental illness? A developmental flaw? I'm def not keen on the assumption that folks are born that way. See this is my point. If the person is inherently homosexual and acts on this nature, how is he different from the heterosexual acting on those inappropriate urges? I get what you are saying, Leja, but I personally believe promiscuity is more than a "behavior." There is something else going on there. That is something internalized that allows one seek instant gratification at the peril of his very life. What has happened is that society has normalized it to the point where you are odd for not being hoeish. Let's say homosexuality was a developmental flaw... in development people typically learn to establish initimacy and relationship boundaries. If a person cannot recongize the difference between true intimacy and sex or set boundaries, is he not developmentally flawed? Reign, homosexuality used to be considered a mental illness but was removed from the DSM-IV. Interestingly, for the 5th edition, there is discussion of adding hypersexuality which would focus on promiscious HETEROSEXUALS! |
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