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Post by Sapphire on Aug 23, 2008 0:46:19 GMT -5
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26010055/WASHINGTON - Delaware Senator Joe Biden is Barack Obama's choice to be his vice presidential running mate, NBC News has confirmed. Biden, who has served in the Senate since being elected at the age of 29, is the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and will add his foreign policy expertise to the Democratic ticket. In recent years, he has traveled to Afghanistan and Pakistan two times and to Iraq eight times. He returned Monday from a fact-finding trip to Georgia. At age 65, the Delaware senator is nearly 20 years older than Obama. He has endured tragedy and near death: Five weeks after he won his Senate seat in 1972, his wife and infant daughter were killed in a car accident. And in 1988, he suffered a brain aneurysm and nearly died. Biden’s voting record is in line with many Senate Democrats: He voted in 2003 to authorize President Bush to use military force in Iraq, and he also voted against the Bush tax cuts and against Republican Supreme Court nominees William Rehnquist, Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts and Samuel Alito. He has run twice for the Democratic presidential nomination, once in 1988 and again this year. He was forced to exit the 1988 race after he was caught having borrowed portions of a speech by British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock — without giving him credit. In 1987, as the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Biden managed the Senate’s rejection of Bork, a conservative Supreme Court nominee by Ronald Reagan. But some Democrats still blame Biden for allowing Thomas to win confirmation to the high court in 1991.
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Post by 123Diva on Aug 23, 2008 1:22:19 GMT -5
Yes, I just saw this...I have been waiting. While this would not have been my number 1 pick, I CAN get behind it.
Obama/Biden '08
YES WE CAN!
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Post by DSTspr98 on Aug 23, 2008 1:33:23 GMT -5
Absolutely agreed!
I had a different choice in mind but at LONG as Obama take office in 09, I can live with pretty much any VP.
Love the Nina Simone siggy Sapphy!
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Post by Sapphire on Aug 23, 2008 2:29:18 GMT -5
I agree with that. My initial reaction was "why?" It really bothers me (like for real for real) when Democrats pick losers to be their running mates. When people run for president and one wins the nomination, that means we didn't want you.
Gore runs against Leiberman, then picks him and loses.
Kerry runs against Edwards, then picks him and loses.
Obama runs against Biden, then picks him...
Why do we keep picking people that talked bad about us and said we aren't a good choice for president? I don't get it. If people wanted Biden in office they would have voted for him in the primary. I feel like candidates should pick someone new, not their previous opponent. That's just my .02.
With that said, Obama has my full support. He represents me and what I stand for. I'm so excited for this election. The fact that he's finally picked a running mate, makes me realized how close to history we are. Obama has already made history by getting this far. I'm not voting for him because he's Black, but I do know that 2008 is a year for the books. No matter what happens, this feeling, excitement and pride we feel can never be taken away. I don't know how I'm gonna act on Nov. 4. I just can't wait for that moment when I realize he's our President.
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Aug 23, 2008 6:29:43 GMT -5
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Aug 23, 2008 6:39:25 GMT -5
Biden in action!! www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UAThis video is about 6 minutes, but worth listening to. He is a great asset to the ticket!! I think his selection sends the message that the gloves are off...we got ourselves a real attack dog on the ticket!!! Obama/Biden 08 |
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Post by Southie on Aug 23, 2008 6:45:50 GMT -5
This should be interesting
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Post by denounced on Aug 23, 2008 7:45:16 GMT -5
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by BrnSuga on Aug 23, 2008 7:53:17 GMT -5
Obama/Biden '08
"Yes We Can!"
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Post by pinkngreen06 on Aug 23, 2008 8:58:59 GMT -5
I just got th email, announcing the ticket. Personally I'm glad that he didn't pick Clinton, however, I don't think he would have been my choice. However I'm sure that there is a definate method behind the choice.
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Post by 123Diva on Aug 23, 2008 9:49:53 GMT -5
I just got th email, announcing the ticket. Personally I'm glad that he didn't pick Clinton, however, I don't think he would have been my choice. However I'm sure that there is a definate method behind the choice. This is very similar to how I feel. Biden works for 2 main reasons: 1) He has strong international experience 2) He appeals to white blue collar men, a population Obama has not quite connected to Sooo....I will deal with and support this choice. Now had it been Sen. Clinton, I would be writing my own name in in Nov. @ Prissy AKA- It went down EXACTLY the way you said it would, for EXACTLY the reason you said it would...EXALT! |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 23, 2008 11:19:34 GMT -5
I don't want to be the wet blanket but I do not like the pick. Unless they just knew about some skeletons in Bayh's or Kaine's past I honestly feel like he should have gone with them
The experience that Biden brings he also could have brought as Secretary of State.
He doesn't help you win ANY state that Obama wasn't already leading in consistently. He is already considered liberal, has voted mostly liberal, comes from a liberal state, and how Biden helps Obama win over the conservative leaning midwestern males - in states that he will need (like Ohio or Indiana), I am STRUGGLING MIGHTILY to understand.
I understand that Barack wants someone to help him govern but this pick:
1. Basically admits that even Barack believed his inexperience was a legitimate issue
2. Helps you to govern but DOESN'T seem to help you get elected
3. Negates any AGE wedge that Obama could use against his opponent (since Biden is 65)
4. Negates any assuagement that Bayh could have given towards former Clinton supporters, as he was a Clinton backer originally
I could go on and on... but I guess it's pointless. This is his pick. He's made it. I'm voting for Obama anyway. I've seen on several other websites where the Hilla-bites are enraged by this pick. Who didn't see that coming  ...
In closing -
Obama/Biden 08
We need to work really hard in our communities and BATTLEGROUND states to help elect Obama - now more than ever before. Let's not just type on a messageboard, let's go do something. We are STILL the ones we've been waiting for.
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Post by No Screen Name on Aug 23, 2008 11:41:15 GMT -5
For the rest of you (other than Damie who just explained) who say that Biden would NOT have been your pick--who would you have chosen, and why? I think we have all collectively agreed that we are happy that Hillary was NOT picked.  |
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on Aug 23, 2008 22:48:43 GMT -5
Biden in action!! www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5UAThis video is about 6 minutes, but worth listening to. He is a great asset to the ticket!! I think his selection sends the message that the gloves are off...we got ourselves a real attack dog on the ticket!!! Obama/Biden 08 I agree. It's much needed. |
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Post by Search1906 on Aug 24, 2008 5:35:17 GMT -5
I don't know if any of you remember me talking about Obama being too reactionary sometimes way back when.....well this is what I was talking about. Sometimes I think they listen to the talking heads and "experts" a little too much. While Biden has some pluses I do think for a lot of the reasons Damie and others have listed that he may not have been my first choice. I think if you are running on the CHANGE platform that you decisions and moves need to be unique and new. This choice seemed both predictible and status quo to meet the need that the "experts" said he needed to meet. I think in the end it will probably work but he has opened himself up to some stuff in the future when they start playing sound bites of when Biden said Obama was ready to be president and other stuff he said during the primary season. I do like that Biden got at McCain pretty hard but that isn't something that other of Obama's peeps couldn't have done. Things will be interesting going forward and it will not be a slamdunk in November.
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Post by Southie on Aug 24, 2008 8:16:02 GMT -5
For the rest of you (other than Damie who just explained) who say that Biden would NOT have been your pick--who would you have chosen, and why? I think we have all collectively agreed that we are happy that Hillary was NOT picked. I do not think that Obama even thought about Hillary being a real consideration. |
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Post by BrnSuga on Aug 24, 2008 11:34:17 GMT -5
My first choice admitted to an extramarital affair weeks before the VP announcement. *smirk*
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Post by Gee-Are on Aug 24, 2008 12:28:11 GMT -5
One of 2 reactions from the McCain campaign...
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Post by Gee-Are on Aug 24, 2008 12:34:43 GMT -5
You know I really don't understand this pick. While Obama brings change, Biden brings 30 years of senate votes and experience to be scrutinized, picked apart, nd exploited by McCain and the RNC...Sure he can be an attack dog, but his shoot from the hip style has gotten him in trouble before.
I saw this as an opportunity to bring in a governor who was outside the Washington political scheme, however, I cast my primary vote for Obama, and I will support him until he is elected.
Honestly, if I were a Clinton supporter, this pick might make me mad too, because if Obama could pick him, why NOT pick Clinton? Personal differences aside, he's been in Washington longer, he was not vocally supportive of Barack as a primary opponent either, and he didn't exchange pillow talk with an active president, that we know of...
So how is he better?
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Aug 24, 2008 15:05:41 GMT -5
You know I really don't understand this pick. While Obama brings change, Biden brings 30 years of senate votes and experience to be scrutinized, picked apart, nd exploited by McCain and the RNC...Sure he can be an attack dog, but his shoot from the hip style has gotten him in trouble before. I saw this as an opportunity to bring in a governor who was outside the Washington political scheme, however, I cast my primary vote for Obama, and I will support him until he is elected. Honestly, if I were a Clinton supporter, this pick might make me mad too, because if Obama could pick him, why NOT pick Clinton? Personal differences aside, he's been in Washington longer, he was not vocally supportive of Barack as a primary opponent either, and he didn't exchange pillow talk with an active president, that we know of... So how is he better? I think you and Damie's Kung Fu's are completely wrong about this. I really like this pick. I can see the argument that Biden goes against the change message because of his years in Washington. It appears that the way the campaign will spin it is to show how Washington has not changed him. He is a good guy with a solid honest record. He has had some gaffes, the most recent one calling Obama "clean". He is going to have to watch his mouth some and be careful. Biden strikes me as a cleaner, more polished version of Archie Bunker. He will appeal to those blue collar white men. I think that Biden is the Republicans worst nightmare. He shoots from the hip, he is smart and doesn't have a lot of patience for BS, and he makes that known. I really like this guy. His years of experience will balance out some concerns about Obama's relative inexperience. He has the foreign policy experience, he was recently summoned by the president of Georgia after Russia invaded them. Bush was at the Olympic volleyball match, Mccain was here making empty threats and Biden was meeting with the president of a country in crisis. Come on...don't you see it??!!! This is going to be great!! |
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Aug 24, 2008 15:16:13 GMT -5
You know I really don't understand this pick. While Obama brings change, Biden brings 30 years of senate votes and experience to be scrutinized, picked apart, nd exploited by McCain and the RNC...Sure he can be an attack dog, but his shoot from the hip style has gotten him in trouble before. I saw this as an opportunity to bring in a governor who was outside the Washington political scheme, however, I cast my primary vote for Obama, and I will support him until he is elected. Honestly, if I were a Clinton supporter, this pick might make me mad too, because if Obama could pick him, why NOT pick Clinton? Personal differences aside, he's been in Washington longer, he was not vocally supportive of Barack as a primary opponent either, and he didn't exchange pillow talk with an active president, that we know of... So how is he better? Oh, and you are really not comparing Biden to Hillary Clinton are you? |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Aug 24, 2008 19:15:48 GMT -5
It's like any relationship where you look for someone to balance you out and be strong where you are weak. Biden balances Obama out in experience and disposition. Kaine would have been a great pick but he's only been governor for what? 3 years? then they would have spent the entire campaign fighting the inexperience agrument 2X. Barack needs someone who understands how the Washington game works; the President cannot enact laws and make change in a vacuum. Most importantly, he needs someone he can trust to advise him and I believe he sees that in Biden.
And I disagree with choosing a VP candidate just to deliver states. It has to be someone who can be your most trusted ally. I support the pick. Now what's gonna be interesting is if McCain does the same. I'm following the pundits and going with Romney. He's got the hair....LOL
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Aug 24, 2008 20:21:11 GMT -5
It's like any relationship where you look for someone to balance you out and be strong where you are weak. Biden balances Obama out in experience and disposition. Kaine would have been a great pick but he's only been governor for what? 3 years? then they would have spent the entire campaign fighting the inexperience agrument 2X. Barack needs someone who understands how the Washington game works; the President cannot enact laws and make change in a vacuum. Most importantly, he needs someone he can trust to advise him and I believe he sees that in Biden. And I disagree with choosing a VP candidate just to deliver states. It has to be someone who can be your most trusted ally. I support the pick. Now what's gonna be interesting is if McCain does the same. I'm following the pundits and going with Romney. He's got the hair....LOL I don't think he can choose Romney now. They just ran ads showing the statements Biden made about Obama not being ready. McCain and Romney traded lots of jabs at with each other during the primary, there would be too much ammunition there. I hope he picks Lieberman or Ridge and really piss of the Republican base. |
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Aug 24, 2008 20:22:53 GMT -5
Here is someone who agrees with me... www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-trounstine/im-just-sayin-saying-bide_b_120863.htmlI'm Just Sayin': The idiotic "Biden undercuts change" argument stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust mixx.com Posted August 23, 2008 | 05:05 PM (EST) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Read More: 2008 Presidential Campaign, Barack Obama, Biden, Joe Biden, Obama, Politics News Show your support. Buzz this article up. Buzz up! Share Print View Comments Like this story? Get Alerts of big news events. Enter your email address The most idiotic punditbabble we're heard in the wake of Barack Obama's choice of Joe Biden -- advanced by the AP's Ron Fournier, NBC's David Gregory and others as if they were channeling John McCain's talking points -- is the notion that Biden undercuts Obama's message that it's time for a change. Exhibit A, in this silly argument, is Biden's 35 years in the United States Senate. The simplistic formulation argues that because Biden is an old hand in Washington, he undermines Obama as a standard-bearer for change. First of all, consider the absurdity of the suggestion that a brilliant, young, black president wouldn't represent an historic, transforming leap forward in American politics. On its face, this is nothing more than Rovian hyperspin. Barack Obama personifies change -- no matter who his running-mate is. But there's a further point (and thanks to Newsweek's Howard Fineman for picking up on it): That what Biden represents is a guy - perhaps uniquely qualified - to implement the change that Obama represents. With his knowledge of the ways of Washington, his vast experience in the Senate, his insider savvy, Biden brings to the Democratic ticket a glimmer of hope that all the things Obama wants to accomplish - from foreign affairs and health care to economic and tax policy - might actually get done in the next administration. McCain's people desperately did not want Obama to pick Biden for precisely this reason, along with the fact that Biden actually knows McCain, he's an Irish Catholic from Scranton, he's a family man who can rub elbows in union halls and he's a terrific debater and attack surrogate. Without someone like Biden on the ticket - with a governor perhaps or a less effective senator - Obama risked looking like a dreamer, not a doer. But with Biden at his side, the Democratic ticket suddenly can offer itself as a pragmatic, can-do engine for change. Biden doesn't detract from the message of change: he drives it home. Joe Biden Barack Obama The most idiotic punditbabble we're heard in the wake of Barack Obama's choice of Joe Biden -- advanced by the AP's Ron Fournier, NBC's David Gregory and others as if they were channeling John McCain... |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 24, 2008 21:30:19 GMT -5
You know I really don't understand this pick. While Obama brings change, Biden brings 30 years of senate votes and experience to be scrutinized, picked apart, nd exploited by McCain and the RNC...Sure he can be an attack dog, but his shoot from the hip style has gotten him in trouble before. I saw this as an opportunity to bring in a governor who was outside the Washington political scheme, however, I cast my primary vote for Obama, and I will support him until he is elected. Honestly, if I were a Clinton supporter, this pick might make me mad too, because if Obama could pick him, why NOT pick Clinton? Personal differences aside, he's been in Washington longer, he was not vocally supportive of Barack as a primary opponent either, and he didn't exchange pillow talk with an active president, that we know of... So how is he better? I think you and Damie's Kung Fu's are completely wrong about this. I really like this pick. I can see the argument that Biden goes against the change message because of his years in Washington. It appears that the way the campaign will spin it is to show how Washington has not changed him. He is a good guy with a solid honest record. He has had some gaffes, the most recent one calling Obama "clean". He is going to have to watch his mouth some and be careful. Biden strikes me as a cleaner, more polished version of Archie Bunker. He will appeal to those blue collar white men. I think that Biden is the Republicans worst nightmare. He shoots from the hip, he is smart and doesn't have a lot of patience for BS, and he makes that known. I really like this guy. His years of experience will balance out some concerns about Obama's relative inexperience. He has the foreign policy experience, he was recently summoned by the president of Georgia after Russia invaded them. Bush was at the Olympic volleyball match, Mccain was here making empty threats and Biden was meeting with the president of a country in crisis. Come on...don't you see it??!!! This is going to be great!!
*Swings Nun-chucks back and forth*
You have to be ELECTED before you Govern. No one in their right mind would argue that Bush/Cheney had more experience than Gore/Lieberman in 2000. The fact that they were the best equipped to deal with threats and opportunities for the 21st century didn't matter. After 4 years of the fiasco named Bush, it wasn't the collective incompetence or ineptitude, that the Bush administration seem to put on display on EVERY given opportunity, that mattered. What mattered was sound bytes and caricatures.
Why because: In politics ignorance is MORE reliable than reason. Ignorance is the cheapest of opiates; it requires the least amount of work to acquire and is self maintained. You have to work to break the addiction, and most people are comfortable with the addiction.
Among Democrats, Barack's cerebral approach works because they are mostly thinkers. Those among us in America, not given over to analysis, but instead comfortable voting based on biased - will not care or even bother to project what an Obama/Biden administation could do. They will look at the ticket, as they did with Gore/Lieberman and Kerry/Edwards and ask - "Do I see any of myself in this ticket?" If the answer is no - what do you suppose the vote might be?
That was why my argument was for Bayh. He was the candidate (hawkish, slightly conservative, popular in the midewest) that THEY could see in themsleves.
All that being said - I'm done making my case for Bayh. He didn't pick him. The End. I just have to hope that, they made the right gamble. (Picking Bayh would have been a gamble too - all the picks are a gamble). The campaign has been smart up to this point - I hope this was another one.
Even it wasn't
Obama/Biden 08 |
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Aug 25, 2008 8:47:26 GMT -5
More good news about Biden... He is known as one of the poorest in the Senate. After all those years, if he was corrupt, he would be rich by now. www.electoral-vote.com/Biden's Finances Now that Joe Biden has been selected as the Democratic Veep candidate, his finances are newsworthy. Here are his Senate financial disclosure forms for 2005 and 2006 (anybody know where later forms are?). In 2005 Biden earned $292,030 from his Senate salary, some teaching, and book royalties. In 2006 he earned $185,700 total. He is known as one of the poorest members of the Senate. Oddly enough, that is likely to be a plus this year as he will argue that he understands what life is like for ordinary Americans a lot better than McCain, who has 10 houses. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 25, 2008 10:19:17 GMT -5
More good news about Biden... He is known as one of the poorest in the Senate. After all those years, if he was corrupt, he would be rich by now. www.electoral-vote.com/Biden's Finances Now that Joe Biden has been selected as the Democratic Veep candidate, his finances are newsworthy. Here are his Senate financial disclosure forms for 2005 and 2006 (anybody know where later forms are?). In 2005 Biden earned $292,030 from his Senate salary, some teaching, and book royalties. In 2006 he earned $185,700 total. He is known as one of the poorest members of the Senate. Oddly enough, that is likely to be a plus this year as he will argue that he understands what life is like for ordinary Americans a lot better than McCain, who has 10 houses. |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Aug 25, 2008 10:38:09 GMT -5
I was up twisting my hair and this came on the news. I was so excited and wanted to share with someone but they were sleeping all hard, lol.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 25, 2008 10:45:44 GMT -5
BTW... is anyone seeing Pro-John McCain ads in the banner. Fa'real - get that ish off my screen!
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Post by Robelite on Aug 25, 2008 14:21:48 GMT -5
Y'all know I wanted Richardson, but I can deal with Biden.
Let's be realistic...the repubbas would have criticized REGARDLESS of whom Obama picked, as they have had something to say about every damned move he's made. You see that McFossil is already trying the tactic of "he dissed Hilary" to try to swing some of her malcontent harpies to his side. Had he selected Hildegard...which I am happy as hell he DID NOT, they would have run an attack ad stating "Sen. Obama bowed to the bullying and threats of the Clintons." Had he picked Kaine of VA, they would have run an ad like "he selected a VP with even less experience than he has." Trust me...David Axelrod and Sen. Obama know exactly what they're doing. Their campaign has run like a well-oiled machine, so know that there is a method to the madness. Believe me, they strategized ALL respective vp candidates and picked their backgrounds apart with a fine-toothed comb!!
I'm telling y'all, I know these right wing hicks/hacks!! He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. One thing about Biden...he might just "cuss" those backwater goons flat out..and I for one would be happy to see him do it!!
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