happy1
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Post by happy1 on Aug 4, 2008 15:23:59 GMT -5
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 4, 2008 15:25:27 GMT -5
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happy1
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Post by happy1 on Aug 4, 2008 20:37:49 GMT -5
Thanks! I like the way he dropped "Invictus".
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Post by jay0heavenly on Aug 4, 2008 22:21:35 GMT -5
yeah he is...he read my paper and emailed me about it...lol. We had an "interesting" discussion.
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Post by No Screen Name on Aug 5, 2008 8:01:40 GMT -5
What did he say, Jay?
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Post by jay0heavenly on Aug 5, 2008 9:06:45 GMT -5
He's a nice guy actually. He said the usual defense of doing good works in the community. My response is as always, Mormons, Buddhists and Jehovah's Witnesses do good works as well. Is it ok for a disciple to be a Buddhist?
Here's a quote from his email.
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 9:12:18 GMT -5
So Jay, is the main issue with BGLOs the initiation rituals? I have noticed that many seem to focus so heavily on the initiation ritual and ignore whatever comes after that ritual.
BTW, I have met JCP too...he is a cool dude.
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Post by No Screen Name on Aug 5, 2008 9:16:31 GMT -5
I think a lot of the "Bible Beaters" take issue with the rituals. I remember water saying one time that if they got rid of the rituals, he would re-join his fraternity "in an Omega minute".
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 9:19:13 GMT -5
I think a lot of the "Bible Beaters" take issue with the rituals. I remember water saying one time that if they got rid of the rituals, he would re-join his fraternity "in an Omega minute". I think that is bull. Seriously. They make statements like we worship false Gods....we deal in idolatry, etc. Just because we change the ritual doesn't mean those things would change (assuming they were true). A ritual has no meaning until the individual gives it meaning. Therefore, we can change the rituals but the intentions could still be there. |
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Post by jay0heavenly on Aug 5, 2008 9:35:07 GMT -5
Well, personally, I wouldn't join if the entire ritual was changed to Jesus, Jesus, Jesus...lol. To me, the root is not of Christ, so even if you change the leaves now, the tree is still what it is. And in terms of where I take exception with greekdom is largely the ritual, but also the hazing/brainwashing pledge process where people come out so ridiculously devoted to XYZ Fraternity/Sorority that its to me, cultish. I know a young lady (that has since then calmed down, THANK GOD) that got into a HUGE argument with her mother. It was pouring rain outside and her mother needed to go to the car to get something. Her AKA umbrella was right at the door, so the mother, with no intent to disrespect anything, picked up the umbrella, and went to the car. She got back in the house and put the umbrella back in the same spot and the daughter FLIPPED. She was like, "you don't deserve to have those letters above your head...yadda yadda yadda." I'm like  this chick has lost her mind, real talk. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 9:41:16 GMT -5
Well, personally, I wouldn't join if the entire ritual was changed to Jesus, Jesus, Jesus...lol. To me, the root is not of Christ, so even if you change the leaves now, the tree is still what it is. And in terms of where I take exception with greekdom is largely the ritual, but also the hazing/brainwashing pledge process where people come out so ridiculously devoted to XYZ Fraternity/Sorority that its to me, cultish. I know a young lady (that has since then calmed down, THANK GOD) that got into a HUGE argument with her mother. It was pouring rain outside and her mother needed to go to the car to get something. Her AKA umbrella was right at the door, so the mother, with no intent to disrespect anything, picked up the umbrella, and went to the car. She got back in the house and put the umbrella back in the same spot and the daughter FLIPPED. She was like, "you don't deserve to have those letters above your head...yadda yadda yadda." I'm like this chick has lost her mind, real talk. Now Jay, I have to agree with you on that. Some folk do take it WAY too far. But not all of us are like that. It was raining outside and my borther needed to go to the car. I told him to take my umbrella. He was surprised that I was going to let him use it. I told him it was raining outside and I wasn't going to let him get wet up. In another instance, it was chilly outside and I had on my frat jacket. My mother said she was cold so I took it off and put it on her. We went to a get together for bruhs and family members. Some of the bruhs had a problem with her having my jacket on, but I don't play that! My mother comes before any fraternity. So, it's not the organization that makes a person "Flip", there is something wrong with that individual. But I see where you are coming from. |
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Post by Iceman on Aug 5, 2008 9:51:45 GMT -5
Well, personally, I wouldn't join if the entire ritual was changed to Jesus, Jesus, Jesus...lol. To me, the root is not of Christ, so even if you change the leaves now, the tree is still what it is. And in terms of where I take exception with greekdom is largely the ritual, but also the hazing/brainwashing pledge process where people come out so ridiculously devoted to XYZ Fraternity/Sorority that its to me, cultish. I know a young lady (that has since then calmed down, THANK GOD) that got into a HUGE argument with her mother. It was pouring rain outside and her mother needed to go to the car to get something. Her AKA umbrella was right at the door, so the mother, with no intent to disrespect anything, picked up the umbrella, and went to the car. She got back in the house and put the umbrella back in the same spot and the daughter FLIPPED.
She was like, "you don't deserve to have those letters above your head...yadda yadda yadda." I'm like this chick has lost her mind, real talk. [/b] Wow - Pure Insanity right there Jay..I feel you on that one. Your always a respectful brother Jay, so I can respect your difference of opinion of BGLO's. In the same token, I can see how the example you cited can come off as "cult-like" behavior and give off a negative perception of the Org's. Thats just crazy - Screaming on Ma' Dukes over the letters? Wow. Man, regardless of a ritual or process, Im "ridiculously devoted" to my family and their needs first before my own, let alone the Frat. That's an extreme example but I do know those type of members exist.... |
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Post by No Screen Name on Aug 5, 2008 9:52:09 GMT -5
ANYTHING can be taken to ridiculous extremes. That doesn't mean that the organization itself is bad. For example, I had someone call me out and question if I was a "real", "legit" AME because I asked a simple question about a Founder's Day service (I don't remember ever attending them, and it may be something new they started over the past few years as far as I know). The AME church is NOT a fraternity, sorority or cult, and I told him as much. But just because some l'il young boy decided to treat it as such, it doesn't make the entire denomination bad. And I agree with you--Mom/Dad come before ANY sorority. |
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Post by jay0heavenly on Aug 5, 2008 9:53:15 GMT -5
yeah Froze, good to hear your not a brainwashed zealot...lol. I wish someone would say something to my moms about anything...a whole nother Jay0 would emerge and the hands I'd be laying on people wouldn't be for prayer  ...LOL. And honestly, I know a number of greeks that are not "over the edge". Thats where the ritual process comes in to play for me, everybody goes through that. Needless to say, we have our differences of opinion as to the weight of the ritual intake and its meaning. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 9:59:26 GMT -5
Needless to say, we have our differences of opinion as to the weight of the ritual intake and its meaning. And it is ok to have a difference of opinion. I like your approach Jay..you are not a true "Bible Beater". LOL! Those true Bible Beaters are the ones who preach hell and damnation. You don't do that, you just point out what doesn't sit right with you. No condemnation and you haven't doomed anyone to hell. LOL! |
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Post by Robelite on Aug 6, 2008 11:32:28 GMT -5
Now there you go NSN...making GOOD SENSE again. You know that doesn't go over well on here! |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Aug 6, 2008 11:44:32 GMT -5
common courtesy and common sense should come before any org
I hope that Mom in Jays story got with her daughter.
I've let a roommate (an SGRho) carry my umbrella when she had to run into a building. I personally didn't care because it's raining hard and I'm not about to let her get all wet when there is a huge umbrella in the car but I didn't know how she would feel. But she simply said "we know what organization we're in," got the umbrella and went in to the building and that was that.
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Post by Serenity on Aug 6, 2008 15:11:53 GMT -5
common courtesy and common sense should come before any org I hope that Mom in Jays story got with her daughter. I've let a roommate (an SGRho) carry my umbrella when she had to run into a building. I personally didn't care because it's raining hard and I'm not about to let her get all wet when there is a huge umbrella in the car but I didn't know how she would feel. But she simply said "we know what organization we're in,"; got the umbrella and went in to the building and that was that. This is exactly the perspective all greeks should have. I love my sorority, but my devotion to her will never come before my commitment to God, my family, and my true friends. It's not that deep. And those who think that it is deep enough to let your mother get wet over some letters are extreme and perhaps borderline cultish IMO. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 6, 2008 18:31:46 GMT -5
He's a nice guy actually. He said the usual defense of doing good works in the community. My response is as always, Mormons, Buddhists and Jehovah's Witnesses do good works as well. Is it ok for a disciple to be a Buddhist? Is it ok for one to be a Jehovah's Witness or a Mormon? |
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Post by lpitd16 on Aug 6, 2008 19:04:12 GMT -5
common courtesy and common sense should come before any org I hope that Mom in Jays story got with her daughter. I've let a roommate (an SGRho) carry my umbrella when she had to run into a building. I personally didn't care because it's raining hard and I'm not about to let her get all wet when there is a huge umbrella in the car but I didn't know how she would feel. But she simply said "we know what organization we're in," got the umbrella and went in to the building and that was that. I don't know. I would feel some sort of way about letting my partna use anything with my crest/letters on it. Naw, I couldn't do it. I was coming in from the rain, and my co-worker asked to use my umbrella. I told her she couldn't, but I did let her borrow the black one I had in my trunk. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 6, 2008 19:15:58 GMT -5
(not directed toward anyone in particulat)
Man, please. I pledged for AND paid for these letters and I'll do with them what I wish. If what I wish includes letting my momma, my choir director or a complete effing stranger use my umbrella, coffee mug or flicking my Zeta lightswitch cover, so be it!
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 6, 2008 19:23:11 GMT -5
(not directed toward anyone in particulat) Man, please. I pledged for AND paid for these letters and I'll do with them what I wish. If what I wish includes letting my momma, my choir director or a complete effing stranger use my umbrella, coffee mug or flicking my Zeta lightswitch cover, so be it! Let the church say "AMEN"! |
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Post by lpitd16 on Aug 6, 2008 19:29:58 GMT -5
Yo Leja,
By all means, do you Ma! There are somethings that I wouldn't do. Different strokes for different folks.
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 6, 2008 19:34:05 GMT -5
true story:
My mom visited me @ college and had a drink out of my Zeta tumbler. As she was getting back on the road, she filled it with water and rolled out. Pfft, who cares, it's a cup. Right? I had actually forgotten all about it.
So awhile ago I went to her house and saw my cup. In the bathroom. Holding toothbrushes. With spots of toothpaste on it. I actually felt some kinda way for a sec. And just as I was formulating my request that my mother remove it and clean it, I gave it some more thought. Immediately I started chuckling @ how ridiculous I would have sounded to her.
The moral of the story: Some things are just not that serious.
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 6, 2008 19:42:20 GMT -5
Yeah, folk take things a little too far. I had a Delta friend who went off on her little sister for using her Delta mug. I thought it was crazy, especially seeing as her little sister was only about 11 at the time.
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Post by lpitd16 on Aug 6, 2008 19:42:54 GMT -5
Obviously not. Now I, on the other hand, would have taken the toothbrushes out of said tumbler, washed said tumber, and purchased for my mother a toothbrush holder. Moral of the post: Different strokes for different strokes.
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 6, 2008 19:44:41 GMT -5
Obviously not. Now I, on the other hand, would have taken the toothbrushes out of said tumbler, washed said tumber, and purchased for my mother a toothbrush holder. Moral of the post: Different strokes for different strokes. I would have done the same thing. I wouldn't have said anything to my mother, I just would have removed the toothbrushes from the tumbler. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 6, 2008 19:52:56 GMT -5
lpit...word. You know I'm not coming @ you, right?
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Post by lpitd16 on Aug 6, 2008 19:58:44 GMT -5
Yo Froze,
My soror may have previously articulated her desire for her little sister to refrain from using certain things that belong to her. Perhaps she felt her sister was not respecting her wishes. Maybe, she didn't. I don't know, I wasn't there, so I can't speak intelligently on the issue.
Question: Would you allow your 11 year old brother/cousin/nephew wear your Alpha shirt? I wouldn't let my nieces wear mine. (Delta shirt, of course.) As a matter of fact, my GROWN niece had the nerve to wear one of my shirts to the grocery store. I didn't know she had it on. When she came back from the store, I saw her sitting in the car with it on. I lit into her arse. I then went to the trunk of my car and pulled out a generic shirt and had her change in car. To me, it is a matter of respect.
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 6, 2008 20:03:58 GMT -5
yo. Do you just keep a whole stash of logo-free clothing and utility-wares in your trunk? lol
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...LOL.
