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Post by T-Rex91 on Jun 30, 2008 9:03:39 GMT -5
Cam,
OK, how do we get everyone else (the world, not the board) to drink the kool-aid:)?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jun 30, 2008 10:50:13 GMT -5
The fundamental problem (as I see it) is that we measure sorors and frat much more on the basis of how they came in than what they do once they come in. I think you'll ultimately find that there are some who were "pledged hard" that are active, contributing members of their orgs. There are some "paper" folks who are doing the same. And both groups have a whole bunch of inactive folk who aren't doing a darn thing. It may sound twisted but I think you earn your letters by how you perform AFTER you're initiated. In Omega I will have to slightly disagree with you. In Omega you could pledge like a mofo and after 6 months from going over could be cat as hell. In Omega let you cross into a chapter undergrad or grad and not come to meetings, not help with social actions, not pay your chapter dues, hell not even wear a shirt and tie to a meeting(you are NOT getting in). In Omega its kinda like what have you done for me lately type deal. I have personally fined bruhz for not being on time for a meeting, Not allowed old school chapter bruhz in my meeting who were just "stopping by" but didn't have on a tie. Hell we even snatched ALL of the nalia from our own LB because as Assistant Social Action Committee Chairman(something we forced him to do) he wasn't holding up his end of the bargain. Basically in Omega if you pledge hard and then after you don't come around or just come around for parties then you are CAT and bruhz will call you on it. Your pledge process isn't a badge of honor with the bruhz because once you get in you will e challenged on fraternal information, your obligation and if one of them are lacking then it sometimes can get physical. Its like basically how can you say you LOVE the Psi but you know nothing about it and do nothing to keep it going? Bruhz also reach out to the good bruhz even if we don't see eye to eye they know when work needs to be done differences will be set aside and the task will be completed. The grad chapter here I don't like for various reasons BUT ever Social Action Chairman has my number. When something is going down I get an automated call because they know I will show up anyway and put in work with the bruhz for the community. This reeks of people not knowing how to run a process. Its simple. Just the pre-process alone if done correctly will have your boys ready to endure. Your pre process should have meetings,social actions, fund raising. Basically you mirror your org on opposite days. Teach them how to run a meeting. How to prepare committee reports, etc. If you are having a interest meeting, pick who you want and put them online....then you deserve to be slapped the fuck up like the kid in my AVI. You have to EARN your way to get online. |
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Jun 30, 2008 11:08:04 GMT -5
[quote author=vodouprince board=seritalk thread=2824 post=90042 time=1214841013This reeks of people not knowing how to run a process. Its simple. Just the pre-process alone if done correctly will have your boys ready to endure. Your pre process should have meetings,social actions, fund raising. Basically you mirror your org on opposite days. Teach them how to run a meeting. How to prepare committee reports, etc. If you are having a interest meeting, pick who you want and put them online....then you deserve to be slapped the fuck up like the kid in my AVI. You have to EARN your way to get online.[/quote]
I agree, the only problem is that there is no pre process anymore. Even when I pledged, we were pre-pledged, but even it was not an official process. It was secretive and disjointed, so we did not get a chance to have that hands on instruction on what it means to be an active member of the sorority.
The pledge clubs need to be re-instated. I don't see the problem with taking 3-6 months to get to know the ladies or men that want to join your organization. Have them complete assignments, community service, learn the history. At the end of that time period, then move ahead with the interviews and voting on who to include on your next line. A lot of folks wouldn't make it past the pledge club process. Those that do have already proven something about their level of commitment and willingness to sacrifice.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jun 30, 2008 11:24:13 GMT -5
Hopefully Omega will be the shining light to show how this thing is supposed to be done again, above ground and legally. In this day and age with more and more young black men coming to college without a father figure, NOW More than ever a pledge process is needed. I mean a structured pledge process that epitomizes Manhood, Scholarship, Perseverance and Uplift.
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Post by Cambist on Jun 30, 2008 11:33:31 GMT -5
I'll say Amen to that VP. People get upset with me when I say this but discipline is the MAIN lesson of any process.
Too many of these young cats, as you mentioned, come to school with no discipline and no guidance. Can this be done without kicking ass? I think so.
The test will be whether brothers will buy into it.
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Post by Iceman on Jun 30, 2008 11:40:46 GMT -5
I honestly think this is the bottom line. VERY FEW people are totally against pledging, including older, more seasoned members. They don't like the fallout from lawsuits, and want to create the appearance of having a "Zero Tolerance" policy...but that's about it. Personally, I am for a more rigorous intake process, but I don't know if there's a way to do that without people going overboard or people suing. I don't know what the solution is. I don't see this mindset ever changing. NSN..Exactly Not all, but most of us prefer that rigorous process that you speak of. More people than most folks realize. I think the problem comes in (like the homie VP alluded to) when brothers don’t know how to conduct a DISCIPLINED and STRUCTURED pledge process. Back in the day, there was a reason why Neo's (for the most part) were made to observe and learn the process of the next line coming through right after them. Being a Neo who pledged and is fresh off the sands....you may THINK you know how to run a process because you just came out of one....but it is very different running one "from the other side". But you hear about certain chapters from all different Org's these days allowing Neos to be Deans of the very next line and what not......HUH?? yeah, eventually something stupid will happen. NSN..there is definitely a way to do it. Now me personally? I’ve been retired from "hands on" training for quite some time. But coming from a chapter and being affiliated with several that train hard but have NEVER had any incidents of note, I can say the process can be carried out effectively and go on to produce hard working brothers for the organization. It’s all about who is conducting it. A good process won’t encompass pledgees enduring physical and mental duress with no purpose. On top of there being a purpose, a good process will help provide proper preparation for the challenges that lie ahead. It can be done, is being done…..and is still producing good results. |
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Post by tremab on Jun 30, 2008 17:45:15 GMT -5
VP: so I take it to mean your org's pledge club is back 100% officially above ground with all chapters?
if so, congrats...I wish you guys good luck with it.
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Post by Kryptik on Jun 30, 2008 20:18:14 GMT -5
That is the problem....people look to be "made" by the organization. @ Kryptik It's not just the men. Ladies are now talking about how "Hard they went" while pledging. They talk about much of the same types of asswhoopins that the guys talk about. And it simply perpetuates itself. People have become consumed by a/the/their or others process. In the end, even if military hazing is seen as "ok", it doesn't justify brutal hazing in or organizations. Also...after listening to a conversation this weekend, I find it funny how BGLO's look down on other organizations that take their members through a "process" as if theirs is the only true pledging. Horseshyt. If you have to earn your membership then why whouldn't they? Doesn't that makes sense to you? Yeah Cam, I recognize that women are being affected by this trend just as much as men now, and I feel that the me should apply to them. Basically, all that I am saying is that by by providing a disclaimer, orgs will be less in jeopardy of some of these petty lawsuits. By no means am I advocating this recent trend of brutality thats being displayed just to say, "I was Made right!" My military comparison was just to show that with some level of an "understood" process it would be easier to "screen", for lack of a better word, those would be petty lawsuits, from those aspirants that had a real desire to become integral members of the org. (I am certain some "shirt-wearers" would get in as well, but this is mainly about the lawsuits) I am curious to hear more about the conversation you heard this weekend... being a member of several types of orgs, I can't say that I have yet experienced such "snobbery". I have seen, on other message boards, people attempt to compare BGLOs to say... Masonry, but I have never heard processes being compared. It just doesn't equate to me, its like comparing apples to oranges in most cases. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jun 30, 2008 20:45:49 GMT -5
VP: so I take it to mean your org's pledge club is back 100% officially above ground with all chapters? if so, congrats...I wish you guys good luck with it. 
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Post by Cambist on Jun 30, 2008 22:42:50 GMT -5
VP: so I take it to mean your org's pledge club is back 100% officially above ground with all chapters? if so, congrats...I wish you guys good luck with it. Damie is being overly diplomatic. LOL! Several organizations are "toying" with the idea of bringing back as much of the "Clubs" as possible. Omega has been (or still is) testing this is several chapters. Alpha is vetting a program right now. We shall see how they turn out. |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 1, 2008 7:33:12 GMT -5
VP,
I don't agree with everything about how Omega goes about it but i get the spirit of what you're saying. y'all hold your members accountable for their ongoing commitment. The major difference I see is that your leadership condones "applied learning" as my Que boyfriend calls it. My national office doesn't. I envy your flexibility.
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Post by Robelite on Jul 1, 2008 9:20:45 GMT -5
As someone who pledged, I can tell you that the good of the pledging experience outweighs the bad. However, it's the BAD that has brought us to this present juncture.
When we can recondition the mindset to separate pledging from brutality, we will then have something. The problem today is that too many greeks think that you can't have one without the other.
As greeks, we should be the ones to set the examples on our college campuses and in our communities. Contrary to popular opinion, the students on our campuses EXPECT us to be the leaders, and when they see that we fall short of that, their opinions of us are lessened, and our validity comes into question.
As I've said a million times....the pledge process needs to be more INTELLECTUALLY STIMULATING! Any hoodrat, thug, gangsta (real and wanna-be) will take an ass beating!!
Let's challenge their minds and THEN we'll see just how much the "riff-raff" will tolerate. Let's get our orgs back to the point where the riff-raff and low-life won't even feel comfortable coming to an interest meeting....they'll know their asses are out of place before they even break the threshold.
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Post by mrknowitall on Jul 1, 2008 14:38:26 GMT -5
I know one of the guys they are looking for! Wonder if there is a reward to turn him in?LOL
In this situation the advisor had no clue what was going on. He is very against pledging and hazing and well respected gentleman in the academic world.
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 1, 2008 14:47:02 GMT -5
As someone who pledged, I can tell you that the good of the pledging experience outweighs the bad. However, it's the BAD that has brought us to this present juncture. When we can recondition the mindset to separate pledging from brutality, we will then have something. The problem today is that too many greeks think that you can't have one without the other. As greeks, we should be the ones to set the examples on our college campuses and in our communities. Contrary to popular opinion, the students on our campuses EXPECT us to be the leaders, and when they see that we fall short of that, their opinions of us are lessened, and our validity comes into question. As I've said a million times....the pledge process needs to be more INTELLECTUALLY STIMULATING! Any hoodrat, thug, gangsta (real and wanna-be) will take an ass beating!! Let's challenge their minds and THEN we'll see just how much the "riff-raff" will tolerate. Let's get our orgs back to the point where the riff-raff and low-life won't even feel comfortable coming to an interest meeting....they'll know their asses are out of place before they even break the threshold. EXACTLY! |
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