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Post by denounced on Jun 25, 2008 5:04:43 GMT -5
Suspects sought in E. Kentucky fraternity hazing The Associated Press LEXINGTON, Ky. --One person has been arrested and Richmond police are searching for two others on charges of assault in a fraternity hazing investigation at Eastern Kentucky University. Brent Whiteside, a 23-year-old student, was hospitalized in March for injuries he said he received during hazing while he was a candidate for admission into the Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity. Richmond police arrested 21-year-old Thomas Barnes on Wednesday and are searching for 22-year-old Gabriel M. McLaren and 32-year-old Alonzo C. McGill. Police spokesman Willard Reardon said all three are charged with fourth-degree assault. University spokesman Marc Whitt said the chapter of the historically black Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity is still suspended from the national organization, as well as the university. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.kentucky.com/471/story/440247.html |
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Post by Cambist on Jun 25, 2008 21:04:12 GMT -5
Come on denounced! You know they gotta come hard or they wont be NUPES!!
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Post by dappa on Jun 26, 2008 5:35:04 GMT -5
Who is this poster who speaks about kappa as though we needed his input?
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Post by tremab on Jun 26, 2008 6:36:04 GMT -5
will Denounced ever learn that posting stuff like this makes him look incredibly pressed?
(frantically googles some bad press on fundamentalist christians and goes to post it on http://www.jerryfalwellforever.com)
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Post by Southie on Jun 26, 2008 6:56:34 GMT -5
Kappa is getting the most press, but all of the D9 are guilty as charged.
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Post by Cambist on Jun 26, 2008 9:47:32 GMT -5
Yeah, southie...this doesn't help any of the D9.
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Post by happy1 on Jun 26, 2008 11:25:15 GMT -5
Iota has never been caught, I mean sued for hazing ;D
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Post by No Screen Name on Jun 26, 2008 11:49:35 GMT -5
Are you serious?  *SMH*  |
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Post by Southie on Jun 26, 2008 12:18:48 GMT -5
I am waiting on the day, when undergraduate chapters are gone and everyone must come through grad. These Universities are getting tired of this crap and they are not going to continue to deal the lawsuits.
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Post by Troopa1911 on Jun 26, 2008 13:28:15 GMT -5
It's not so much as "Will Kappa Ever Learn" It's more about will young men ever learn?
Kappa has and does constantly trained it's chapter officers, advisors and it's collegiates (undergrads) on our stance regarding hazing. We have conferences throughout the year where proper instruction is given, also the ramifications of hazing are discussed at great lengths in order to show that hazing doesn't make a good brother. So it's not about Will Kappa Ever Learn....Kappa Learned back in 1993 however it's hard to make some people understand.
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Post by Robelite on Jun 26, 2008 13:30:30 GMT -5
I am waiting on the day, when undergraduate chapters are gone and everyone must come through grad. These Universities are getting tired of this crap and they are not going to continue to deal the lawsuits. Be careful!! Last time I alluded to this, I got "blessed" plum out!  I will sincerely regret that day, but like you, I see that day coming!!  |
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Post by Cambist on Jun 26, 2008 13:31:40 GMT -5
It's because WE are giving these kids mixed messages. Alpha talks and issues documents ad nauseum about hazing and the laws covering it. We, like other D9 orgs, have policies against hazing.
But we also have an abundance of ACTIVE brothers IN LEADERSHIP who wink and nod at what they see as "harmless hazing" or stuff that their chapter does and has done for years.
No one plans to get hurt in a hazing incident.
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Post by Robelite on Jun 26, 2008 13:34:39 GMT -5
Are you serious? *SMH* And once again...another old ass fool who should have been somewhere in an alumni chapter. Same kind of schit that went down with that idiotic, stupid, moronic, ignorant dumbazz Raymond Lee, who unfortunately, brought the same kind of disgrace upon Alpha out in Texas a few years ago when he, and some other idiotic, stupid, moronic, ignorant dumazz bass-tids tried to turn a kid into a goldfish. Po us...ALL of us!!  |
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Post by Robelite on Jun 26, 2008 13:35:13 GMT -5
Iota has never been caught, I mean sued for hazing ;D Don't worry...your day will come. |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jun 26, 2008 13:38:35 GMT -5
There's alot of crazy grad chapters out there too so while I think moratorium every time this ish comes up, I don't think it should just be limited to the undergrads. The process is broken across the board. These chapters have advisors who are often in on what's going on.
But at least in Delta's case, the mighty dollar reigns and I don't think they'll go for that. I'm just sayin....
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Post by Robelite on Jun 26, 2008 13:49:50 GMT -5
dstoldhead, I guess I knew that someone would come and make the statement that "well, grad chapters do it to," as if that somehow validates the foolishness of these misled greek folks. And in 90% of these cases, the advisors are NO WHERE NEAR this mess. A broken process has NOTHING to do with folks being stupid and doing isht to harm people...all in the so-called name of brotherhood. That foolishness needs to cease and desist! It seems that there is always someone trying to coddle these students (and in this case, an older fool) when they do this bullshit that puts our orgs in danger. Why can't the culprits simply stand up like men and admit their wrongdoing and accept their punishment? Why is someone always trying to advocate for folks who would put our orgs in these precarious situations? |
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Post by No Screen Name on Jun 26, 2008 13:50:36 GMT -5
Somebody once suggested that there should be a five-to-ten year moratorium on membership intake to allow time to do some in-house clean-up. Does anyone think that this would work?
Also, I think there is some merit to charging people who allow themselves to be hazed with a crime (as discussed in the other post).
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Post by Robelite on Jun 26, 2008 13:52:13 GMT -5
Somebody once suggested that there should be a five-to-ten year moratorium on membership intake to allow time to do some in-house clean-up. Does anyone think that this would work? I have a feeling that we might soon be faced with making that very decision NSN. |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Jun 26, 2008 13:54:54 GMT -5
Do members of grad chapters get the same punishment as UG? The question may sound stupid but from the outside looking in I feel like it's looked over because of age or maybe its the fact that there is no college or university involved at this level.
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jun 26, 2008 13:58:36 GMT -5
Does it matter whether the advisor was near the mess when it happened or whether they set the tone with the chapter that bullshit would not be tolerated. I don't mean the public no hazing statements we spout at interest meetings but the "Look, I ain't losing my letters over you so if I even get a whiff of nonsense, I'm taking you down" eye to eye. I used to be an advisor and at first they thought i was going to turn a blind eye to their shenanigans but I set 'em straight and they had to evaluate whether getting busted by me was worth the risk. Do you believe all advisors do this, even in these extreme cases? I think not.
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Post by No Screen Name on Jun 26, 2008 14:01:19 GMT -5
Do members of grad chapters get the same punishment as UG? The question may sound stupid but from the outside looking in I feel like it's looked over because of age or maybe its the fact that there is no college or university involved at this level. I once lived in a city where the graduate chapter of a certain fraternity was suspended. |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jun 26, 2008 14:01:52 GMT -5
I manage risk for a living. It's not what everyone does but what the what someone could do because the process doesn't prevent it. Oh sure we talk the talk publicly but when it comes down to it, who's minding the store?
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jun 26, 2008 14:06:32 GMT -5
Do members of grad chapters get the same punishment as UG? The question may sound stupid but from the outside looking in I feel like it's looked over because of age or maybe its the fact that there is no college or university involved at this level. Yes, individual persons typically. It's much rarer for an entire grad chapter to be suspended than an undergrad though. |
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Post by Cambist on Jun 26, 2008 14:25:35 GMT -5
I agree. Ending the madness will have to start with LEADERSHIP ending their wink and nod to chapters when they are breaking the law.
People think i'm too harsh when I say that advisors should be telling UG chapters that they will not only have them suspended from teh frat but also from school and have the chapter disappear for 10 years if they cross you.
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Post by Cambist on Jun 26, 2008 14:28:25 GMT -5
I hear y'all but the "That ain't fair" argument wont fly. Although the rules are the same, the situations are much different.
Then you have those grad brothers who go to the undergraduate chapter to get their hazing out of their system.
Advisors and leadership need to adopt a "I WISH" attitude with their chapters and those that visit.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jun 26, 2008 14:38:23 GMT -5
This is what I wrote in response to this on G9. I am PRO Rites of Passage into our orgs. Sooo...
First off the President of the Chapter and Faculty Adivisor need to be removed. I have said this time and time again on here when one fraternity gets hit EVERYONE feels it.
The questions I have are the following....
#1 What did he have to do to make line in the first place. You don't put people on line to drop.
#2 If there was an injury WHY didn't his Dean Protect him. I mean damn it's simple " Alright the Ace can't take neck tonight, 4 can't take wood, No face swipes on the 6 for obvious reasons because he is light skin everything and every one else is fair game" Period.
The thing is folk don't know how to run a set no more.
You get your pledgee's let them spit there chit. All poems, songs, history, skits.
Then they pay the price for Uplift.
You split your bruhz or sorors up in stations. You can have a station for wood(kane in kappa's case), neck, thunder claps, more wood, strain, chair, etc.
Have you a whistle. Split the line up and send them through every station 4 times. While at each station see if they can spit their chit under duress and thats IT. No more physical. Time for uplift and brain signing.
Folks need to charge up anybody trying to come and see your pledgee's. If they have no respect for the org to atleast learn the history of it and be tight on it then how you think they will treat your pledgee's? If you not tight on ur chit and are not doing anything for your org then you should NOT see a line.
Its simple. If you cant UPLIFT them, then you cant TOUCH them. Period
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jun 26, 2008 14:43:56 GMT -5
 *SITS THERE SPEECHLESS*
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Post by Troopa1911 on Jun 26, 2008 14:58:16 GMT -5
Do members of grad chapters get the same punishment as UG? The question may sound stupid but from the outside looking in I feel like it's looked over because of age or maybe its the fact that there is no college or university involved at this level.
Question Fellow Greeks:
If an undergrad chapter is reported for a serious charge of hazing (someone get hurt or dies), how does your org (nationals/Grand or etcl) deal with the chapter advisor?
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jun 26, 2008 15:11:08 GMT -5
Do members of grad chapters get the same punishment as UG? The question may sound stupid but from the outside looking in I feel like it's looked over because of age or maybe its the fact that there is no college or university involved at this level.
Question Fellow Greeks:
If an undergrad chapter is reported for a serious charge of hazing (someone get hurt or dies), how does your org (nationals/Grand or etcl) deal with the chapter advisor?
Unfortunately, the advisor is typically not subject to censure unless there's evidence that they were collusive in the matter. They aren't formally penalized for being asleep at the wheel. They are typically quietly replaced by the grad chapter governing that UG chapter. |
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Post by Troopa1911 on Jun 26, 2008 15:26:13 GMT -5
Yes...and the repercussions can be very costly.
Question Fellow Greeks:
If an undergrad chapter is reported for a serious charge of hazing (someone get hurt or dies), how does your org (nationals/Grand or etcl) deal with the chapter advisor?
Unfortunately, the advisor is typically not subject to censure unless there's evidence that they were collusive in the matter. They aren't formally penalized for being asleep at the wheel. They are typically quietly replaced by the grad chapter governing that UG chapter.
What if in Delta the case went to court
How does your org deal with the advisor? |
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