A Tale of Two Unions We Won't Forget

[DamieQue™]

A Tale of Two Unions

If you have been observing politics lately, I think it is obvious that we can dispense with the nicety that race doesn't matter. The firestorm (and the fact that it even WAS a firestorm) that was touched off in the after-after-aftermath of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's comments makes clear what the truth is. when I listen to the likes of Pat Buchanan sincerely suggest that slavery was actually a "boon" to black people, that without slavery we would never know the freedom of America or the Gospel of Christ and that we should be grateful - it is clear that between some black people and white people we have a schism (if not also a severely biased and flawed recollection of history.)

It has become apparent to me that the great irony in the discussion on race is that the only people who it seems CAN NOT raise "race" as a serious issue anymore are black people. We are universally decried as "living in the past" or playing the race card for daring to even mention it.And yet it seems ANY one else, who should chose to, can bring up race as an issue, and it carries instant legitimacy - worthy of our discussion (without pre-conceived biases). In an effort to see all sides of the issue I at least considered that, perhaps this happens because some white people have always believed we've used race as political truncheon, to bludgeon both them and their institutions into submission. But I see no truth to that. If anyone DID find it credible they would only be exposing the problem at hand - that they've ALWAYS believed we've used it as leverage. No fair minded person can say that race hasn't been exploited by both blacks and whites I do not at all rule out that some black people have used racism and race as their own personal charge card. But it does not stand to reason that all our cares and concerns that are unique to our community because of our unique experience in America can be dismissed by biased outside analysis.

I do not expect nor blame white people for not "getting it". It's not for them to "get", anymore than the "white experience" is for me to get. I can understand (even if I do not embrace) what their life is like - but I'll never truly "get" it - and that's fine because understanding is enough. That said I also do not, insult them by telling them what IS and what IS NOT their experience and how they should treat it. And try as they might no amount of revisionist's history puts shackles on the hands and feet of Irish, German, Jewish, or Chinese immigrants. To compare their experience to the experience of black people on the basis of poverty (while ignoring Institutional Racism, the Fracturing of the Black Family, and the Eradication of our Native Culture) is simply ludicrous. Our strands may all be woven into the American Tapestry, but we came in on a completely different Loom.

To be clear this is not about hosting some sort of game of "Racial Oppression Poker" where the group with the most calamities wins. We do not prosper any by having the worst sob story and given the treatment of Native Americans in their OWN land, it's questionable if we would even come out the worst if you're tempted to go down that "rabbit hole". We all lacked wealth as new transplants to this country - that we shared in common. What we didn't share was the means and the freedom to rise above that deficit as others were. Were it ONLY a matter of working hard we would not be having this discussion. Plenty of black families worked themselves to death on Share Cropper land. But in the myopic analysis of some white people today - this would STILL constitute the equal opportunity that everyone else was like wise afforded. Though they would like it to be, life in America is not merely a matter of hard work, meeting economic opportuntity, turning into success - not for us.

p.s. If anyone would like to point out that white people share cropped too - be my guest. Do me a favor though. Go and check the percentages in which they participated in sharecropping compared to black people - then go sit down.

It is neither a crime nor an excuse for black people to recognize that our situation is different from most (even if no one else seems to want to). If anything it is a daily acknowledgement of the difference between the theory versus the practice. There is what we are taught should be the American experience, and there is what we actually experience. For our part we've learned to navigate the duality of being "part of the whole" and "apart from the whole". Our experience is different and our cultural baggage (our fears, concerns, outrages, much-ados-about-nothings, our hopes) are going to be different. As it turns out, this is harder for someone on the outside looking, to understand than I would have thought.

[coldfront06]

*Applause*

One of the most eloquent pieces I've ever read...you should be a writer man

[DamieQue™]

We Won't Forget

I've heard the soundbyte - and I've heard the entire sermon from which it was derived that has caused so much discussion. Perhaps I'm the one being myopic now but I am unmoved by the so-called controversy. His sermon was more truth than controversy; more realitistic than scandalous. Nestled within the righteous indignation in the perpetual condemnations of Jeremiah Wright is the the real agitant; the real problem. And that problem is, while his words might have spoken of his own personal anger, mistrust, and biases they also spoke of the truth of an "ugly America" which made these angers, misgivings and biases inevitable. And we (who live the "practice" and not the "theory") of America know that our country still isn't ready to win any beauty contests.

There are some folks that want to throw slavery, Share Cropping, Jim Crow, Bigotry, Segregation, Lynching, Assassination, Job Discrimination, Racial Profiling, and Stereotyping into the same foot locker and bury it like they never existed - Like one sin did not beget the next sin.

Imagine your grandparents were oppressed by someone else's grandparents. Imagine the other grandparents built their wealth while oppressing your grandparents. Then imagine they all pass on. Imagine their grandchildren with their new inheritance, new wealth, new networks - suggesting to you that now everything is equal and that there is no debt for their grandparents wrong doings. Imagine them telling you that you are living in the past - and that it's time to move on if you protest. That's what having a discussion about race is like nowadays. Most Black people want to begin the conversation starting from the moment we set foot here, some White people want to begin the conversation starting from today. Its like they just want us to forget.

But we dare not forget the legacy of Doris Miller. They would have us to remember him as the hero who manned the anti-aircraft guns during the attack at Pearl Harbor. But we remember the hero who wasn't allowed to be anything more than a cook that manned the anti-aircraft guns during the attack at Pearl Harbor. The same Doris Miller that would die as a cook in the bowels of the U.S.S. Liscome Bay sunk by an explosion caused by a Japanese torpedo. A fitting end to a hero of his stature wouldn't you say? Serving food and waiting tables. If we are expected to express our forgiveness of American's sins in the form of selective memory, than American can consider itself unforgiven. We will NEVER forget. We will not be complicit in your despicable campaign to write a more favorable history for America than it's actions deserve. Decry Jeremiah Wright all you like but we will not ignore the truth of his words - America IS as ugly as it is beautiful - Doris Miller's life illustrates as much.

Say what you like about Jeremiah Wright but we will not forget that America has problems with it's foreign policies. We won't forget who it was that was selling weapons to Israel, or propping up U.S. Friendly governments in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, or deposing one that weren't friendly. We will remember who encouraged ties with regimes that were pro-U.S. even if those same regimes were the least democratic and the worst in terms of Human Rights. We'll recall that we had no input on the papers and the ideas from the Project for the New American Century, nor did we fan the flames of antisemitism by continuing the oppression of Palestinian people. We will not remember an alterenate reality were 9/11 was a random attack best explained as act of violence by people who hate our Freedom. We know better, say what you want about Jeremiah Wright but we won't share in your amnesia.

We won't forget that Col. Ollie North sold WEAPONS, to Iran - to fund the contras in Nicaragua. Or that he buddied up with a one, Manuel Noriega, in an effort to fight the Sandanistas - the same Manuel Noriega that the U.S. eventually ousted from Panama and put on trial for Drug trafficking. The irony will not be overlooked by us since we won't forget that North's operation to fund the Contras also allowed tons of drugs (literally) to be imported from various South American countries, into the U.S. to provide funding for the Contras. That's not wild eyed conspiracy theory talk - that is RECORDED history. And where do you think those drugs were primarily sold and used? Which communities do you think were the most affected? You think we're going to forget that?

That's just ONE example where one operation helped to create 2 Frankensteins that America was forced to deal with at greater cost, later on down the line. Curse Jeremiah Wright all you like - but these are examples of chickens coming home to roost. Would you have us believe that the drug lords in South America and Manuel Noriega did what they did simply because they hated our freedom?

Don't think for a second that we'll forget that Ollie North was charged with 16 felony counts, convicted only on 3, and jailed for NONE. If we seem indifferent to your outrage, maybe it's because we LIKE Jeremiah Wright haven't forgotten that we live in 2 different worlds. We remember the legacy of Ollie North and we're trying to understand how he could sell weapons to Iran and ship drugs into America, to illegally fund contras, and NOT ONLY serves no jail time BUT finds time to pen several best-selling books, write a syndicated columnist, host a television show, make regular appearances on Hannity and Colmes, the sitcom Wings, and three episodes of the TV military drama JAG, with speaking engagements in between - but Jeremiah Wright who points to America's iniquities is "transformed into a soundbyte" and called Anti-American.

To recap: One of us can betray our country and collude with our enemies only to be treated as a hero, while the other serves his country, serves his community, speaks the truth and is vilified. Guess what America? We won't forget this one either. So when you're ready to have that conversation on "race" expect to have to explain this and other inequities. We aren't here to make you feel guilty - but we aren't here to absolve you either.

[DamieQue™]

coldfront06 said:

*Applause*

One of the most eloquent pieces I've ever read...you should be a writer man

Thanks Cold. It took me a few days to write all this - and then to try to trim it down to the most important points. I tried to break it up into two connected editorials. The original document is actually 3 full editorials... and I just couldn't bring myself to post all of it. It's just too much.

[denounced]

"There are some folks that want to throw slavery, Share Cropping, Jim Crow, Bigotry, Segregation, Lynching, Assassination, Job Discrimination, Racial Profiling, and Stereotyping into the same foot locker and bury it like they never existed - Like one sin did not beget the next sin."

I understand the staement, but can you expand on this thought. Thank-You!

[Prissy New Year!!!]

coldfront06 said:

*Applause*

One of the most eloquent pieces I've ever read...you should be a writer man

I agree. He is far better than any other blogger I have read on the internet.

[Prissy New Year!!!]

I just read your second entry. You can't see me, but I am actually giving you a standing ovation...Preach, brother Damie!!

[DamieQue™]

denounced said:

"There are some folks that want to throw slavery, Share Cropping, Jim Crow, Bigotry, Segregation, Lynching, Assassination, Job Discrimination, Racial Profiling, and Stereotyping into the same foot locker and bury it like they never existed - Like one sin did not beget the next sin."

I understand the staement, but can you expand on this thought. Thank-You!

What I'm attempting to show is that one cannot declare equity among America's institutions and transactions with the conclusion of slavery. It's also meant to show how our collective experience is different from others who have also had inauspicious introductions into the American fold.

To clarify slavery certainly proceeds share cropping and share cropping precedes Jim Crow (so on and so forth) but they are not progenitors of one another. To the contrary they are children of a common parent. And that parent was/is a sincere belief in racial inferiority of black people.

So I have no problem acknowledging (for example) the discrimination that European immigrants may have faced in coming to America. Many people will not be slow to point out the treatment of Irish Americans in this country. Consider the following:

Did they come as free men?
Did they come with their culture intact?
Did they come with their families intact (in some cases)?
Was there an underlying belief of inferiority because of their race?
Were they allowed to hold positions of power early on?
How many of their descent have held the position of President?

Yes, yes, yes, no, yes, and 4 (William H. Taft, Warren Harding, Harry S. Trusman, John F. Kennedy)

So we can acknowledge the toils of their people as they were added to the melting pot, but can there be ANY question that their toil was NOTHING like our toil? IS nothing like our toil? It's 2008 and we're just NOW even coming close to having someone of African American Ancestry being considered for the Presidency.

So in this case the one sin that begets the next, begets them all. A sincere belief in racial inferiority of black people was and still is the black cloud that hangs over us. It would not be hard to make the argument that we have done nothing to help our own cause in this matter. But that's for us to deal with, and even in so doing - it does not exonerate anyone else. They couldn't pass down slavery from generation to generation indefinitely - but they could certainly pass down that which was more insidious (and they did). And that's what I was getting at.

[FULLOFME]

Well spoken Brother Damie...

[Gee-Are]

good posts Damie. I agree...when will we see your blog so that you can share these thoughts with the world?

We appreciate being the guinea pig and sounding board for your thoughts, but you should consider a larger audience.

Unless you already have one and are being stingy with the link. Don't let us find out you're Pat Buchanon, Lou Dobbs or Sean Hannity typing in disguise...

[No Screen Name]

Excellent, Damie! I wish I were as smart as you. I have always admired your posts and writings (EXCEPT for the anti-feminist ones--I always rooted for Outtie. ).

Do you blog?

[DamieQue™]

z said:

Excellent, Damie! I wish I were as smart as you. I have always admired your posts and writings (EXCEPT for the anti-feminist ones--I always rooted for Outtie. ).

LOL See this ^^^^ is why Hillary is still in the race. ;D ;D ;D ;D

[DamieQue™]

Thanks Full - what are your thoughts on the subject? Weigh in.

@ Ghost - I have a blog, but none of it is serious or political - it's all funny stories about stuff that I witness/observed/participated in back in the day.

I don't think I could do a political blog - posting an editorial is about as far as I could get. Just too lazy to put in the work required to do a serious political blog.

No Screen Name - LOL, I think you ARE as smart as me. I have a particular writing style that I think works, but in the end, it's not about big words, or sentence structure - it's about ideas. I would seriously like to hear what you all think on the matter (I do not expect everyone to agree with me.)

SIDE NOTE: I have learned FAR more from you all than you all have EVER learned from me. In listening to some of your questions, thoughts, ideas, and in contemplating were I thought they were true or false, I have gained much insight. Recall, that Zero Theory post on the old OO? That grew out of the debate I had with VP. These editorials came out of listening to comments of others here, on other message boards, and in other media outlets. I post them here for you to contemplate - to examine for truth. And in that peer review we will ALL probably learn something.

[denounced]

Apply this sin begets sin to BGLO's. Wow! The excuses would abound.

[denounced]

Another interesting topic, Black Slaveholders prior to the Civil War. What of the thousands of years of Black Culture's enslavement of "non-black" cultures. I mean, does the slaveholder really care, as long as he is thriving who is breaking their backs?

[FULLOFME]

I sort of weighed in on Friday in response to Aces' question of whether Rev. Wright should apologize:

fullofme said:

I don't think he said anything that was wrong or untrue...it may be an unpopular opinion for whitey because they don't like to "look at themselves in the mirror" but nobody is disputing the validity of what he said, the dispute is regarding his patriotism and to me love for my country should also include my country loving me and when there is evidence to the contrary then why can't I say something about it?

No apology needed...I think some attention needs to be brought to the fact that one of us does not speak for all of us, he can speak to enlighten us but his words are not Barack's words...

I could say more...let me get my thoughts together ...BTW you're right about learning from others...I don't think I even participated in political discussions of any sort with such varying opinions until I came to this board

[DamieQue™]

denounced said:

Apply this sin begets sin to BGLO's. Wow! The excuses would abound.

Is this ^^^^ in response to my expanded explanation? If so please expound.

[DamieQue™]

fullofme said:

I sort of weighed in on Friday in response to Aces' question of whether Rev. Wright should apologize:

fullofme said:

I don't think he said anything that was wrong or untrue...it may be an unpopular opinion for whitey because they don't like to "look at themselves in the mirror" but nobody is disputing the validity of what he said, the dispute is regarding his patriotism and to me love for my country should also include my country loving me and when there is evidence to the contrary then why can't I say something about it?

No apology needed...I think some attention needs to be brought to the fact that one of us does not speak for all of us, he can speak to enlighten us but his words are not Barack's words...

I could say more...let me get my thoughts together ...BTW you're right about learning from others...I don't think I even participated in political discussions of any sort with such varying opinions until I came to this board

I will look forward to your editorial.

[Sapphire]

Well said Damie!

[denounced]

damieque said:

denounced said:

Apply this sin begets sin to BGLO's. Wow! The excuses would abound.

Is this ^^^^ in response to my expanded explanation? If so please expound.

No, it is a response to the original. I did not want to repsond, without a context from the author. But I have started writing a response to both. I'll bring it to the table when I'm done.

"Is this ^^^^ " Please explain!

[Bigs]

Well said Damie...

[ACES]

Bravo, brotha! Powerfull stuff!

I'll be cutting and pasting these essays all over the place! Damiethonious Q. Roofus, correct? I wanna get your name right when I credit the source.

[denounced]

“There are some folks that want to throw slavery, Share Cropping, Jim Crow, Bigotry, Segregation, Lynching, Assassination, Job Discrimination, Racial Profiling, and Stereotyping into the same foot locker and bury it like they never existed - Like one sin did not beget the next sin.” Damie

Min. H
I already believed that I understood what he was saying, but asked for clarification below. With that being said, allow me to show how his own heartfelt beliefs apply to his beloved fraternity. Watch him runaway like a chicken with its head cut off.

He said, “Like one sin did not beget the next sin.”

Well how does this apply to GLO’s? It’s simple, THEIR FATHERS, the ANTI-JEHOVAH Babylonian Cults gave rise to the ANTI-JEHOVAH Egyptian, Assyrian, Sumerian, Greek, Roman, African (West African to be exact) CULTS, etc. So we now have the ANTI-CHRIST SONS OF Freemasonry, Fat Hat Club, The White GLO’s, HAZING, Sigma Pi Phi, The Black GLO’s, HAZING/Brutality, wood, neck, back, kicking, spitting, slapping, gang rapes, sex trains, or group/individual, sticking canes up pledge’s anuses (causing internal injuries), promiscuity, lasciviousness, and finally, a Nasty Que Dog, a Playboy, an Ape, a Son of Fire and Brimstone, Black Suppers, etc. LIKE ONE SIN DID NOT BEGET THE NEXT SIN. Greeks want to place these sins as normal, societal behavior. But it does not excuse the fact that the foolishness we see in GLO’s today was the result of prior sinful behavior from there Ancient and Contemporary Counterparts, therefore, making the present behavior inexcusable, but rather EVIL FROM THE ROOTS, BEGOTTEN OF THEIR FATHERS. This is why GLO’s purposely leave out words from scripture, acknowledge Jesus as Lord in one breath, while declaring Apollo as God in another. The sins of their FATHERS PASSED TO THE SONS.

The Ancient Cults had their “temple prostitutes”, while the Greeks have their groupies called “SWEETHEARTS”. The Western Africans cut the skin in their scarification rituals, Greeks brand. The Ancient Greeks employ Diamastigosis, Modern Greek-Letter Organizations employ hazing.

[denounced]

“What I'm attempting to show is that one cannot declare equity among America's institutions and transactions with the conclusion of slavery.” Damie


Min. H
Nor can BGLO’s excuse their PRESENT state with the piss poor excuse that people (bad apples), as they call them, are the reason for the evil state. You shouldn’t let a few bad apples, as GLO members claim, spoil the bunch. Well a few good or great ones don’t make them ripe either. GLO members love to counter with the old excuse of famous membership as justification for their greatness. If their Christian principles are attacked, they bring up names like Bishop Vashti McKenzie, Elder Terrell Murphy, Bishop Eddie long, etc.

“To clarify slavery certainly proceeds (precedes) share cropping and share cropping precedes Jim Crow (so on and so forth) but they are not progenitors of one another. To the contrary they are children of a common parent. And that parent was/is a sincere belief in racial inferiority of black people.” Damie

Min. H
Please see the above comment about FATHER and SON. In the clarification, Damie sheds even more light. These cults, organizations, belief systems all have ONE COMMON PARENT, and he is still alive, The Devil is his name. There common belief is that they have a wisdom, knowledge, light, or understanding that is only worth giving to those who they deem worthy.

“So in this case the one sin that begets the next, begets them all.” Damie

So why would one think that hazing was some aberration? It was not, but rather it was a NORMAL progression. Why is homosexuality prevalent? When you take on the spiritual nature of your fathers, the manifestation will eventually follow. What is the ultimate solution to the problems of BGLO’s? JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What’s the problem? THEY DON’T WANT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now this is an interesting statement that Damie makes, why; because there is an AUTHOR/ROOT to sin. So in reality, BGLO’S WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO ERASE THE CURSE------WITHOUT MAKING CHRIST THE HEAD. If this were to occur, Kappa Alpha Psi would become, Kappa Alpha Psi Christ Ministries, Inc., Omega Psi Phi would become, Omega Psi Phi Christian Church. But what would happen, NO SECRETS, ANYONE WHO IS SAVED CAN JOIN AND NOT HAVE TO BE KAPPAS OR OMEGAS, NO RITUAL, ETC. What there would be is an awesome close of one history (i.e. Omega Psi Phi Fraternity is NO MORE), and the beginning of a new one.

[BKupInHere]

Damie
you
are
THE
MAN!


<--throws in the towel,Damie is a force to be reckoned with

<---invites you to "Mr 1914"'s house for an alchololic beverage & some fried chicken

[DamieQue™]

@ Denounced

Let me see if I can use an analogy to help you understand why most Black Greeks will NOT take you or any of your arguments seriously EVER. I'll pretend to be you, and we'll apply your logic to this country America. Ready? Okay here we go

: play :
Denounced, you know America was founded by people involved in Masonry. It's even on your money.

www.freemasonrywatch.org/onedollarbill.html

See there? It's posted on a website so it MUST be true. Did you see this part:

MDCCLXXVI is 1776 in Roman Numerals
The Babelonian numbering system is base 60
Mystery Babylon is the Biblical name for the Devil
The triangle is the mathematical representation of Diabalon
By applying the Delta to MDCCLXXVI gives us the numerical arrangement of 666

Did you see that? Did you see that math? Who can argue with that - there it is right there in clear math. That is definitive proof right there.

So WHAT if America that has thousands of charitable organizations doing work in the community. Every day millions of children pledge allegiance to their flag - and that's a binding oath. And who is the God of America while we're on the subject? When it says, one nation under God, what God are they talking about? You don't see any mention of Jesus anywhere in the Constitution do you. It must be because they didn't want to include Him.

That would make sense because this is the America that allows people to party, use drugs, engage in sexual acts and it doesn't try to stop them. And after all this, after we expose all these things about America, it citizens still claim it was founded on Christian principles, such hypocrites. It's time to denounce America and leave it.
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THAT is what you sound like to most of us. I'm sorry if you feel like people are "running" from your arguments - honestly most of us are just not pressed about it because you're not even in left field anymore - you're somewhere out in the parking lot outside the stadium. It's gotten to the point where it's like arguing with someone who still thinks the earth is flat.

[denounced]

I knew that this was exactly how you would answer. Not the so intelligent thinker on this one. It's easy to see the coincidences in your logic when it doesn't apply to the purple and gold.

Well you still think Paul is Peter's boy, but you did do good to leave that alone after I sent you the red words from the Bible.

Your way of sticking your head in the sand is why most blacks still vote democrat, become pro-choice, and wait until they're 40 to get married.

Your posts are why you keep ignorant people ignorant. You use the same tactics as Sharpton, Jackson, Smiley, etc. Your analogy is bad, because I have never used such idotic reasoning.

Oh they take me seriously enough to NEVER want to debate me in an open forum on greek life. Why; when your butt stinks, everyone can smell it except you.

Do you accept the Fatherhood of God, the Universal Brotherhood of Man, and the Sole Aristocracy of the intellect? Now where did these guys come up with Secular Humanism in 1911?

One que to another- What does the Dog represent: Dog means tenacity to see it through to the end, and a dog is the mirror image of god, which means........rooooooooo to the ques. Other que- that's deep dog..........

My logic- Where in the world did the dog image come from, how did it get defined, and why do ques stick their tongues out all the time?

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[GorgeousNgreen]

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!!!!!

I will market you Damie

<---has a degree in marketing and MIS
<---works in MIS but would really like to develop into a marketing career
<---can start marketing Damie..

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LOL