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Post by denounced on Aug 18, 2010 15:28:02 GMT -5
If I understand you correctly, I agree with your statement. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should........
When Glenn Beck changes the date of his Tea-Party rally from the anniversary date of the I Have A Dream Speech - then they can come and talk to me about prudence, sensitivity, and legality.
I will not entertain their hypocrisy Den and you shouldn't either. I don't tolerate it from either side, can you say the same? |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 18, 2010 15:35:11 GMT -5
When they start stripping Robert E. Lee's name off of streets and highways and Virginia (to show sensitivity and prudence to black people), then I'll take them slightly more seriously when they discuss the difference between legal and prudence.
When Glenn Beck changes the date of his Tea-Party rally from the anniversary date of the I Have A Dream Speech - then they can come and talk to me about prudence, sensitivity, and legality.
I will not entertain their hypocrisy Den and you shouldn't either. I don't tolerate it from either side, can you say the same? |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 19, 2010 10:47:20 GMT -5
Well atleast the Koran limits its bs to Jews and Christians... On the other hand both Judiasm and Christianity call for the death of ALL unbelievers. Yes ALL of them. So your angle is flawed completely. Lets take a look... Deut 13: 6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. Or how about Matthew 10? You CAN'T be serious with this one. lol As usual VuDu, you fail to mention what is also true. I also believe you know it to be true. The Koran actually says ALL infidels............... Now about the Bible, God would that NONE would persih, but that all would come to repentance. I would that ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. That doesn't sound like death to all. You see the other difference is that one DIED, so that ALL may live. God does not call on Christians to go out and murder, and I believe you know it. If not, I feel sorry for you. So are you saying the Holy Quran provides no refuge for those who are unbelievers and repent with acceptance of Allah? Go read Surah At-Tawba Verses 1-29. Educate yourself denounced. You're sounding foolish. All religions are selfish. None of them show tolerance to unbelievers. If you repent and believe its fine. If you rebel and not accept then your reward is death. Period. You can't shun Islam when both Judaism and Christianity do the same chit. |
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Post by denounced on Aug 19, 2010 12:52:57 GMT -5
Repentance was never mentioned in my post, because it was not in context to the discussion. You want to start a new discussion, start a new thread.
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Post by denounced on Aug 19, 2010 12:55:29 GMT -5
Damie, I have mentioned plenty of repubs that I disagree with and why. So although I may be subject to one's assessment, I am unconcerned with their unproven opinions.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 20, 2010 11:39:57 GMT -5
Repentance was never mentioned in my post, because it was not in context to the discussion. You want to start a new discussion, start a new thread. Huh? Denounced stated above "As usual VuDu, you fail to mention what is also true. I also believe you know it to be true. The Koran actually says ALL infidels............... Now about the Bible, God would that NONE would persih, but that all would come to repentance. I would that ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. That doesn't sound like death to all. You see the other difference is that one DIED, so that ALL may live. God does not call on Christians to go out and murder, and I believe you know it. If not, I feel sorry for you.Again you CAN'T be serious. Sityoassdown somewhere. |
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Post by denounced on Aug 21, 2010 13:13:39 GMT -5
"When Glenn Beck changes the date of his Tea-Party rally from the anniversary date of the I Have A Dream Speech - then they can come and talk to me about prudence, sensitivity, and legality."
Look at what you are doing. Who is they Damie? Don't get upset when you here a person say those people. I think the biggest travesty is how the white democrats in power did so much evil during King's life, and managed to turn the blame on the Republicans. I call that evil genius.......... I am updating all of this evil in The Rice Cup post.
So I wouldn't be too upset about what Glenn Beck is doing, hopefully he will bring this travesty to light, a travesty King may have known about, but saw its after effects.
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Post by Robelite on Aug 21, 2010 21:49:29 GMT -5
Repentance was never mentioned in my post, because it was not in context to the discussion. You want to start a new discussion, start a new thread. Huh? Denounced stated above "As usual VuDu, you fail to mention what is also true. I also believe you know it to be true. The Koran actually says ALL infidels............... Now about the Bible, God would that NONE would persih, but that all would come to repentance. I would that ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. That doesn't sound like death to all. You see the other difference is that one DIED, so that ALL may live. God does not call on Christians to go out and murder, and I believe you know it. If not, I feel sorry for you.Again you CAN'T be serious. Sityoassdown somewhere.Exhalt! I'll only add....and shutthehellup!! |
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Post by denounced on Aug 22, 2010 13:41:50 GMT -5
Huh? Denounced stated above "As usual VuDu, you fail to mention what is also true. I also believe you know it to be true. The Koran actually says ALL infidels............... Now about the Bible, God would that NONE would persih, but that all would come to repentance. I would that ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. That doesn't sound like death to all. You see the other difference is that one DIED, so that ALL may live. God does not call on Christians to go out and murder, and I believe you know it. If not, I feel sorry for you.Again you CAN'T be serious. Sityoassdown somewhere.Exhalt! I'll only add....and shutthehellup!! To which I will add......... and that's about the limit of the most intelligent reply you will ever give. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 24, 2010 7:54:41 GMT -5
"When Glenn Beck changes the date of his Tea-Party rally from the anniversary date of the I Have A Dream Speech - then they can come and talk to me about prudence, sensitivity, and legality." Look at what you are doing. Who is they Damie? Don't get upset when you here a person say those people. I think the biggest travesty is how the white democrats in power did so much evil during King's life, and managed to turn the blame on the Republicans. I call that evil genius.......... I am updating all of this evil in The Rice Cup post. So I wouldn't be too upset about what Glenn Beck is doing, hopefully he will bring this travesty to light, a travesty King may have known about, but saw its after effects.
Here they are again practicing selective freedom. Only THEY have the right to assembly apparently. But that's the thing - everyone's brave in a mob aren't they? |
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Post by denounced on Aug 24, 2010 13:09:04 GMT -5
"When Glenn Beck changes the date of his Tea-Party rally from the anniversary date of the I Have A Dream Speech - then they can come and talk to me about prudence, sensitivity, and legality." Look at what you are doing. Who is they Damie? Don't get upset when you here a person say those people. I think the biggest travesty is how the white democrats in power did so much evil during King's life, and managed to turn the blame on the Republicans. I call that evil genius.......... I am updating all of this evil in The Rice Cup post. So I wouldn't be too upset about what Glenn Beck is doing, hopefully he will bring this travesty to light, a travesty King may have known about, but saw its after effects.
Here they are again practicing selective freedom. Only THEY have the right to assembly apparently. But that's the thing - everyone's brave in a mob aren't they? And the Bruhs are no different?  ?? Anyway, let me not digress, but the Democrats are much better at word play. Example: EVERYONE SCATHED, Bush 43's, "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND", but do you know what they called it during Bush 41's, Slick Willy's, and now President Obama's current reign? Go do your research on that Damie, and all the rest who think it's Republicans ONLY that are playing these games. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 24, 2010 13:36:27 GMT -5
Right Leaning Conservatives (the ones that year after year pretend not to be in the GOP but vote fully Republican, this year they're claiming they're Tea Party Members, in years past they have claimed to be Libertarians, and before that, they claimed to be Independent - in a few years it will be something else - the same ol' shennanagins under a different name)
Here they are again practicing selective freedom. Only THEY have the right to assembly apparently. But that's the thing - everyone's brave in a mob aren't they? And the Bruhs are no different? ?? Anyway, let me not digress, but the Democrats are much better at word play. Example: EVERYONE SCATHED, Bush 43's, "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND", but do you know what they called it during Bush 41's, Slick Willy's, and now President Obama's current reign? Go do your research on that Damie, and all the rest who think it's Republicans ONLY that are playing these games.
What groups were out there on the left that questioned Bush's declared spiritual belief?
What group was out there that questioned his declared place of birth?
Democrats were against the Iraq war and the Afghanistan War. Most of them still are.
Republicans and Conservatives were for both, and now that the political wind has shifted many of them are saying that Afghanistan is problem.
Republicans and Conservatives were ok with blowing up the deficit under Bush, many of them were ok with spending without paying for it (See Medicare Part D) - now they suddenly have a problem with it.
Republicans and Conservatives are the ones claiming to want to reel in the deficit and yet want to keep the single largest component of the deficit in place - the tax cut to the rich?
It is Republicans and Conservatives who have flip flopped on EVERY single major issue they ever stood for. Showing that Democrats are flawed is not the same as showing they are equivalently rudderless.
Republicans and Conservatives will say and do anything to get power, and then they will say and do anything to keep it - EXCEPT for what they promised. Or did I miss that Federal Amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman? Roe V. Wade overturned yet? What happened? Was control of the Senate, Congress, and WH not enough? Say what you want about Healthcare, Democrats promised it and they delivered something. May not be the best - but they delivered something. When was the last time the Republicans delivered ANYTHING. Oh that's right... the tax cuts under Bush that are principally expanding the deficit that they bray on about.
Den there are conservative values and then there's the Republican party. They barely intersect each other anymore. The Republican party isn't EVER going to do anything to promote your beliefs because without wedge issues they have NOTHING. Without a boogey man to frighten you into compliance or an enemy that must be vanquished (Reds, Communists, Russians, Terrorists, War on Christmas, ad infinitum) you would never vote for them - because they NEVER deliver unless you are already rich and don't need the help. Every vote you cast for them is wasted. The dyfunctionality of the Democrat party (which exists) pales in comparison. The Republican party is literally circiling the drain. Like an over the hill performer that has to resort to publicity stunts to stay relelvant. You are wasting your time with them. |
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Post by denounced on Aug 24, 2010 15:56:49 GMT -5
Everything you said the Dems do just the same, but usually in a more secretive manner. You can go on closing your eyes to reality that's okay. As for Bush's spiritual beliefs, no one probably said anything because they know that he, just like Obama is a pluralist.
Blowing up the deficit under Bush. I will agree that they spent like pigs, but it's better than burn Benjamin Franklin in Effigy if you catch my meaning. In case you don't, the Democrats have H-Bombed the deficit. But guess what, I am not surprised, they are democrats. You have Obamasaurus TAXandSPENDus in office.
If you opened your eyes about Roe v. Wade, don't expect that to happen anytime soon if ever. But it still doesn't mean one should stop exposing it. And please, we don't want to go into promise breaking, and this Indian Giver of a president. I will give Obama credit for one thing; he tries to stick to his guns. But I would like to thank him for the stimulus failure, the healthcare failure, and the up and coming and continued education failure.
You want to talk about rich, if you thank the dems care about the poor and middle class, your refusal to study makes you look all the more foolish to defend the Liberal party.
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Post by Robelite on Aug 24, 2010 22:57:49 GMT -5
Exhalt! I'll only add....and shutthehellup!! To which I will add......... and that's about the limit of the most intelligent reply you will ever give. When dealing with you and your close-minded and antiquated foolishness, I don't need to respond on any greater level of intelligence. I operate on the level of the one I'm responding to and interacting with. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 25, 2010 10:06:39 GMT -5
Everything you said the Dems do just the same, but usually in a more secretive manner. You can go on closing your eyes to reality that's okay. As for Bush's spiritual beliefs, no one probably said anything because they know that he, just like Obama is a pluralist.
- An end to denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions (that's immediate for children, 2014 for adults)
- Small Business Tax Credits
- Donut Hole Rebate for Seniors (for Prescription Drugs)
- Elimination of Lifetime Caps
- Elimination of Recission (Insurance dropping you when you get sick)
I'd dare say these are all GOOD things, and don't actually involve much in the way of spending - and the overall bill was designed to reduce costs not increase them (depending on what outlet you read how much it saves will vary - left leaning will say a higher number, right leaning will suggest a lower number or that there are no savings at all). But the point is, we can't characterize this as H-bombing the deficit. That's without even mentioning TARP (initiated under Bush). You're beginning to sound like Rush here, do you want him to fail? I mean if he does, it's not like he'd fail in a vaccum - his failure would come at our collective detriment. Feel free to show me the Republicans initiatives to help the poor and middle class. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 25, 2010 10:14:11 GMT -5
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Post by denounced on Aug 25, 2010 10:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by denounced on Aug 25, 2010 11:14:59 GMT -5
"Name a few if you would (things that Democrats do the same). I am not making the case that Democrats are the righteous and Republicans are not but as a collective there is almost no comparison. Whatever you think of Democrat values, they stick to them." DQ
As well as their cult followers, who cannot seem to break the grip of reality. I want anyone to fail at something that is bad for the country. I wanted Bush's plan on amnesty to fail. But this is the kind of duplicity found in your arguments. The old Duck and Dodge and you do it pretty good. The Rice Cup Thread will be a great learning experience for you as well.
Obama believes in redistribution of wealth. Wow, who did he get that from? I bet you "Won't" come up with the names of his mentors.
I can articulate the healthcare debacle in two points: Giving Illegals healthcare through gaping loopholes and making people pay who choose not to have it.
Not only that, the defunding of E-verify in the stimulus was stupid.
"Whatever you think of Democrat values, they stick to them." DQ
And being racist is one of them, so to use your above quote, it's okay. This quote is affords the type of people with this thinking nothing more than what Adam and Eve did when God busted them in the Garden; accepting no responsibility for their bad behavior.
Let me break this down. Dems believe that because they hold no moral statndard that they cannot and should not be held accountable for poor behavior. The thing about this mindset that is so foolish is that by not holding a moral standard, you believe that the only ones which apply to you are personal ones. Can anyone say Humanism? I certainly hope you don't support that statement. You say values, but is that a fair assessment? Absolutely not! The may have and stick to immoral values, but that's about it. They can be hypocrites, because they do not make a claim to integrity.
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Post by denounced on Aug 26, 2010 7:39:44 GMT -5
"The only things that began immediately:
An end to denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions (that's immediate for children, 2014 for adults)
Small Business Tax Credits
Donut Hole Rebate for Seniors (for Prescription Drugs)
Elimination of Lifetime Caps
Elimination of Recission (Insurance dropping you when you get sick)
I'd dare say these are all GOOD things, and don't actually involve much in the way of spending - and the overall bill was designed to reduce costs not increase them (depending on what outlet you read how much it saves will vary - left leaning will say a higher number, right leaning will suggest a lower number or that there are no savings at all)."
Ever see that Bugs Bunny when they want to lure him out of the spacecraft? What did they use to get him out? It's what all the characters used to entice BB; a carrot. So you have this Health Care Law and dangling in people's faces are the very things you mentioned. But they're not telling the whole story.
See everyone, Obama promised health care, but he did not cannot, and will not guarantee good health care.
Damie- you know any poor, single mom who gets medicaid? Ask them how they are treated at the Pharmacist and doctor's office. I have seen and it on both ends. Don't think it won't get worse.
I have already witnessed the type of red tape qand hoops they make doctors jump through when it comes to billing. This health care debacle is going to blow up in the poeple's faces, and Obama and the elites that helped him will be sipping on a cold one, marvelling at how they Alinsky'd us.
And let's discuss Appropriations. They can say all they want that the $26 billion they are giving to teachers is to help them keep their jobs, but how the money will be appropriated is a whole other story. I suggest following the Rice Cup thread to see how money promised ends up becoming money denied.
You said small business tax credits.......... Woohoo!!!!!!!!!!! Oh snap, the Bush tax cuts are about to end..........
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 31, 2010 11:08:11 GMT -5
So... I asked you to name the specifics of what Democrats have done that is comparable to what Republicans are doing right now. In response, you do the exact opposite and you accuse me of "ducking and dodging". Things like this Den, things like this are why you continue to struggle to build credibility.
You bet I won't come up with the names of Obama's mentors? I bet you won't come with one remotely verifiable, plausible, or even debatable accusation about Obama. Wealth redistribution? I'm not sure if you're aware of this but as long as you HAVE taxes, you HAVE wealth redistribution - period. But by all means, lay out the specifics of your treatise on how Obama and his un-named mentors have engaged in an unnamed conpsiracy to effect wealth redistribution.
Giving Illegals healthcare through gaping loopholes? What loop hole? You see? No specifics. Just talking points. And by the way, since I'm sure you're aware that by most state laws no one (illegal immigrant or citizen) can be turned away from emergency service. So when the illegal immigrant goes to have that *quote-fingers* "anchor baby" and they don't have health insurance - guess who pays for it? Yeah... you do. So now conservatives are for more government intrustion into the free market? LOL - you see this is what I mean by expandable standards. Anything to oppose the President - anything to oppose Democrats - even when what they're saying is something we claim to believe in. LOL. The White House also stayed out of the early debate over whether to include in the $787 billion economic stimulus bill a proposed extension of E-Verify, the error-ridden federal computer system that is supposed to confirm the legal residency status of all U.S. workers. Hispanics and business groups managed to delete from the final bill House language that would have forced employers receiving stimulus money to use E-Verify.www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18905_Page2.htmlThe Chamber of Commerce's lawsuit challenges the government's use of a presidential executive order coupled with a federal procurement law to make E-Verify mandatory for federal contractors with projects exceeding $100,000 and for subcontractors with projects exceeding $3,000. The Chamber of Commerce also challenged the expansion of E-Verify to require the reauthorization of existing workers. www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/House-Senate-Split-on-EVerify-for-Stimulus-Package/But it was Obama and Democrats that defunded e-Verify? Again Den, things like this... *SMH* this is what destroys credibility. You have completely (once again) misdiagnosed the problem with Democrats. If Democrats and Republicans share one flaw it's that they believe they have "the" standard instead of "a" standard. The difference between the two is that Republicans will abandon virtually ALL of their standards to obtain and keep power for their elite and themselves. This is precisely why conservatives who are CLAIM to be for lowering the deficit, don't want to let Bush tax cuts for the rich lapse (which by the way OBVIOUSLY didn't save the economy or we wouldn't be in the predicament we're in right now) even though the Bush tax cuts for the rich are the SINGLE largest contributor to the deficit according to notable economist.
www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/opinion/23krugman.html?_r=2&ref=opinion
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 31, 2010 11:11:17 GMT -5
Not for nothing, but Den these are anecdotes and speculations - not specifics, not documented and recorded problems. Just the "doom saying" of one person. If you can find someone who can successfully argue that the healthcare we had previously was somehow "good" or "guaranteed" I'd like to speak to them about buying a few bridges.
What isn't up for debate or argument is that THESE SPECIFIC things are apart of the legislation and are good:- An end to denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions (that's immediate for children, 2014 for adults)
- Small Business Tax Credits
- Donut Hole Rebate for Seniors (for Prescription Drugs)
- Elimination of Lifetime Caps
- Elimination of Recission (Insurance dropping you when you get sick)
And prior to this legislation you didn't have THESE specific things. What we know for certain is that when people who didn't have insurance had to go to emergency services WE (the insured) had to pay for it whether Obama had signed this legislation into law or not.
And when everything's said and done what I note is that Healthcare was a problem and the people complaining about the solution offered little in the way of alternatives or better solutions.
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Post by Julie Art on Aug 31, 2010 12:09:29 GMT -5
How this thread go from talking about a mosque being built near ground zero to healthcare, taxes, etc.?
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Post by DamieQue™ on Aug 31, 2010 12:23:12 GMT -5
How this thread go from talking about a mosque being built near ground zero to healthcare, taxes, etc.? |
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Post by denounced on Aug 31, 2010 12:59:28 GMT -5
Here are two lies.
Tens of millions of people don't have health care insurance, and are denied access to adequate health care, and that a large number of people die daily from lack of health insurance coverage.
These were the main two lies to get the healthcare bill passed. And you want to talk about "Fear Tactics".
No speculation here, just a reality that Big Pharma and Big Insura are in the pockets of the democrats. Who do you think helped Obama and Congress write the bill?
Damie, in this life, learn to follow the money. And what you call speculation, I call hindsight. As I have stated over and over, learn the history of your party, as it relates to blacks, who are also in the pockets of democrats.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Sept 1, 2010 10:06:34 GMT -5
Here are two lies. Tens of millions of people don't have health care insurance, and are denied access to adequate health care, and that a large number of people die daily from lack of health insurance coverage.These were the main two lies to get the healthcare bill passed. And you want to talk about "Fear Tactics". No speculation here, just a reality that Big Pharma and Big Insura are in the pockets of the democrats. Who do you think helped Obama and Congress write the bill? Damie, in this life, learn to follow the money. And what you call speculation, I call hindsight. As I have stated over and over, learn the history of your party, as it relates to blacks, who are also in the pockets of democrats.
www.emaxhealth.com/1506/cdc-number-americans-without-health-insurance-coverage-increases
In fact people HAVE been denied coverage
www.healthreform.gov/reports/denied_coverage/Sources/index.html#_edn6
According to the study done by Harvard Medical School, a number of people do die due to lack of access to Health Care
www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58G6W520090917
So there are my sources opposing your claims. Would you like to supply the sources for your claims and let people decide which is more credible? |
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Post by denounced on Sept 23, 2010 11:37:56 GMT -5
Who is included in those tens of millions? Is healthcare a right, like owning a house? Damie, millions die because they have access to healthcare? ? So!!!!!!! By allowing coverage for everyone, it's guaranteed to overload if not bankrupt the system. But it's OFN right, it won't go bankrupt during our time. But there are ways to get people out of the healthcare loop.......... People can and will be denied coverage............... Costs are ways to deny people coverage. If you seriously think that the government will allow millions to just lay up in the hospital for years, and make insurance companies pay, then you have lost your mind. It's kind of like the statement the President made in response to Velma Hart about the credit card industry and how they have to inform you before they raise rates, but what is Obama, NOT saying? I can and will provide sources for each and every claim I make, but you should consider the formula that will be used to decide who gets care in certain situations. See we have a precedence set before us in terms of health care. The Nazis had a precedence set before them, before they gassed the Jews. I don't look at the promises one makes now and get a knee jerk Hallelujah reaction, I look at things from a Biblical Worldview........Period! Obama has an Agenda based on his worldview, but to know his worldview, you mus know those who shaped it. If Bush's agenda was oil, Obama's agenda is Government takeover of industry, and what discipline is that supported by? |
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Post by denounced on Sept 23, 2010 13:56:55 GMT -5
Who is included in those tens of millions? Is healthcare a right, like owning a house? Damie, millions die because they have access to healthcare? ? So!!!!!!! By allowing coverage for everyone, it's guaranteed to overload if not bankrupt the system. But it's OFN right, it won't go bankrupt during our time. But there are ways to get people out of the healthcare loop.......... People can and will be denied coverage............... Costs are ways to deny people coverage. If you seriously think that the government will allow millions to just lay up in the hospital for years, and make insurance companies pay, then you have lost your mind. It's kind of like the statement the President made in response to Velma Hart about the credit card industry and how they have to inform you before they raise rates, but what is Obama, NOT saying? I can and will provide sources for each and every claim I make, but you should consider the formula that will be used to decide who gets care in certain situations. See we have a precedence set before us in terms of health care. The Nazis had a precedence set before them, before they gassed the Jews. I don't look at the promises one makes now and get a knee jerk Hallelujah reaction, I look at things from a Biblical Worldview........Period! Obama has an Agenda based on his worldview, but to know his worldview, you mus know those who shaped it. If Bush's agenda was oil, Obama's agenda is Government takeover of industry, and what discipline is that supported by? The difference bewteen agenda and platitudes. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd-iM9Wmdgo This is a sound byte straight from the Marxist playbook of what an eventual Utopia will look like after going through a series of Theses, Antitheses, and Syntheses until you get to the Communist Utopia. Pelosi is basically saying, go out, have a cup of tea, come home read a book, and have some stimulating conversation with the fellas. "And by the way, don't worry, you'll get your prostate exam free of charge Damie." NP (quotes for emphasis only). People think that free health care will save billions in preventative care. As you said to me, speculation. If we HAD learned anything about giving people something for nothing, it's that it fails to promote "personal" responsibility. Give human nature a crutch, and you will later have to provide a wheelchair. To that I leave this quote; " What you applaud, you encourage. And: Watch out what you celebrate." Peggy Noonan On the standing ovation and congratulations given to an 8 month pregnant girl (unwed mother) receiving her high school diploma in 1971 or 1972. Look at how single motherhood is viewed by society today, even Christians. So was Peggy Noonan speculating or using the God-given gift of discernment, Damie? Find her whole quote and you will be much more intrigued by what else she had to say. I will say this much. I have lived long enough to see shifts in the culture and know where it was going to lead. When I was born again in 1993; shortly thereafter, I started hearing people say to one another, "you can't judge me!" I knew then that this was the beginning of a great compromise in the church to overlook and even protect sin IN THE CHURCH. It's 2010! Was I speculating? |
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Post by denounced on Sept 23, 2010 14:17:19 GMT -5
Costs Soaring After Bay State Health Change Sally C. Pipes 06/30/2010 Anyone wanting a preview of Obama-Care need just focus on Massachusetts, the state that provided the blueprint for Obama's plan. It makes a great case for making haste in repealing ObamaCare. In Massachusetts, health care prices are out of control, emergency rooms are overcrowded, the government is at war with itself and private insurers are running in the red, refusing to enter critical markets on the government's unrealistic terms. The party line now is that the Bay State's reform was not about cost control but rather expanding access to care. The program's backers claim that the price spiral they find themselves in was expected, anticipated, even if they didn't actually have a plan for it. That's a revisionist's tale. In early 2006, the plan's backers — led by then Republican Gov. Mitt Romney — adamantly asserted that his plan would in fact control costs, provide universal coverage and improve the quality of care. (If this sounds familiar, it's because Obama's team borrowed the marketing scripts.) Disinterested outsiders predicted that both prices and total costs would most likely increase under the government-dominated system, since massive new demand, reimbursed at the lowest prices, would be forced on a fixed supply. They were shouted down by insiders vested in getting the reform passed. Guess who was right? Two data points are harbingers of collapse. First, an academic study "The Effect of Massachusetts' Health Reform on Employer-Sponsored Insurance Premiums" by professors John F. Cogan, R. Glenn Hubbard and Daniel Kessler, confirmed the prediction. Massachusetts' reform not only did not decrease prices and spending, as promised, but prices are increasing at rates greater than national trend lines and greater than rates in the Bay State prior to reform. Three years prior to reform, insurance premiums for employers were increasing 3.7% more slowly in Massachusetts than in the rest of the country. Today, the opposite is true. Prices in Massachusetts are increasing 5.7% more than in other states. In Boston, prices for employer-provided family plans are increasing 8.2% faster than in other large metropolitan areas. "Because the plan's main components are the same as those of the new health reform law," the study's authors note, "the effects of the plan provide a window onto the country's future." Post-reform, prices are up, more people have insurance, and more people are headed to the emergency room. If this sounds odd, it should. Among former Gov. Romney's favorite arguments for reform was that it would shift dollars from inefficient emergency room care to the more efficient venue of the primary care doctor. The Obama administration passed its reform on the backs of health insurers — couching the reform as health insurance reform rather than the actual remaking of health care delivery. In this election year, Gov. Deval Patrick's administration has torn this page from Obama's playbook. He demanded the right to approve insurance prices in February and then had his bureaucrats deny necessary increases in April. Prior to reform, rates had to be actuarially sound. Post-reform, it's more important that they be politically sound. Those in his own bureaucracy charged with making sure that insurers can pay their bills called this a "train wreck" and put three insurers under solvency watch. The Patrick administration stood resolute in its election-year pandering. "It's unacceptable for consumers to be treated this way and it will not be tolerated," thundered Massachusetts Insurance Commissioner Patrick Murphy, in April. Last week, the administration's own hearing officers sided with the first insurance company whose case made it through the process. The increased rates, it determined, were fair and necessary. The Patrick administration's political folks, like Romney's before, will not be swayed by inconvenient facts. Insurance commissioner Murphy "strongly disagrees" with his own hearing officers' ruling. Is it any wonder then that the state's bureaucracy responsible for managing its health care cannot entice any of the state's major insurance carriers to offer plans to small businesses? Carriers representing 90% of the state's insurance market share are refusing to offer plans to small business through the state's Connector. "Given the rate cap that the administration has imposed on the health plans, none of them is in a position to enter into any new endeavors with the state at this time," explains Eric Linzer, a spokesperson for the industry association. State officials have responded by sending letters to insurance carriers threatening legal action. Get ready to wait, America — unless ObamaCare is repealed and reversed. • Pipes is president and CEO of the Pacific Research Institute. Her next book, "The Truth About ObamaCare" (Regnery Publishing), will be released in August. www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/539035/201006301859/Costs-Soaring-After-Bay-State-Health-Change.aspx |
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