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Post by FatalDST on Jul 22, 2010 8:24:43 GMT -5
^^ This kinda relates to what some homies and I were talking about last week. Talking about how Fantasia was mad cause ppl were talking about her bad spelling/english on Twitter.. of course, I called her a dumb ass and one of the girl took offense to it, because she's an educator... she said she was offended because she had parents who didnt have "formal" educations. I explained to her, hell my dad didnt have past an 8th grade education, but that's is the differene right there....my daddy was born in 1932, Fantasia was born somewhere in the 80's I believe... you cannot compare the opportunities that were/weren't available THEN to the opportunities kids have now. Their mindset was totally different then.. it was about working, taking care of family, trying not to get hung! LOL Now, its about sagging pants and music... priorities are screwed up. Parents and their children hang out at the club and get high together. This is why Fantasia being a dumbass to me is inexcusable!
im done.
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 22, 2010 8:41:12 GMT -5
^^ This kinda relates to what some homies and I were talking about last week. Talking about how Fantasia was made cause ppl were talking about her bad spelling/english on Twitter.. of course, I called her a dumb ass and one of the girl took offense to it, because she's an educator... she said she was offended because she had parents who didnt have "formal" educations. I explained to her, hell my dad didnt have past an 8th grade education, but that's is the differene right there....my daddy was born in 1932, Fantasia was born somewhere in the 80's I believe... you cannot compare the opportunities that were/weren't available THEN to the opportunities kids have now. Their mindset was totally different then.. it was about working, taking care of family, trying not to get hung! LOL Now, its about sagging pants and music... priorities are screwed up. Parents and their children hang out at the club and get high together. This is why Fantasia being a dumbass to me is inexcusable! im done. ROTFLMFAO!!! I just can't take! |
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 22, 2010 9:26:30 GMT -5
Oracle, here is the article that sparked the whole convo.. (they even got pic of the tweets)! LOL www.eurweb.com/?p=36901Fantasia defends her literacy and Smarts on Twitter.... American Idol Season 3 winner Fantasia snaps back at all the people who have been making fun of her spelling errors and so forth on her Twitter account. It is unknown as to who or how many people targeted the singer, calling her “dumb’ and pointing out all her spelling mistakes, but apparently it became too much and she chose to speak up. Read the tweets below in which she defends herself against the haters: (I only posted 2..there are about 5 or 6)  |
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Post by Chal™ on Jul 22, 2010 9:33:42 GMT -5
she gets on my nerves
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 22, 2010 9:36:44 GMT -5
She lives in my city and she goes to the clubs. In fact, we have friends in the same circle.
What's wrong with using spell check?
#imjustsaying
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Post by Chal™ on Jul 22, 2010 9:37:26 GMT -5
yech
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 22, 2010 9:49:16 GMT -5
me too Chal.. I dont know why either! LOL |
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Post by Chal™ on Jul 22, 2010 10:06:50 GMT -5
me either. but my skin crawls when i see her on something
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 22, 2010 15:13:47 GMT -5
You are shittin on your founders because they were undergrads and all fraternities were started in part by college students. Now lets cut that bullshit quick. When our orgs were the cream of the crop it was because the young men and women were coming through UNDERGRAD getting leadership skills, community service objectives done, running formal meetings properly, conducting fund raising initiatives, and the like. If you go back and look at the who's who of the civil rights movement 85% of those people pledged undergrad. Not even a comparison. This is the problem when folks who did pledge undergrad seeking to hold onto power sell the new graduate initiates you're better than the undergraduates while behind your back they see you as nothing but a check and a vote. Now look at the shape our organizations are in.... I think graduate chapters are needed but not to over see undergraduate chapters. That's what a Chapter adviser and older chapter brothers are for. Furthermore when it comes to money most times undergrad chapters can get more from their older chapter brothers than a grad chapter anyday. An example is Earl Graves gave his beloved chapter $30,000 to help facilitate its 85th anniversary. Again not even a comparison. If you shit on undergrads you're shitting on your founders period point blank. Again I could care less who you are speaking with or to and fro. Young Men today ARE the same young men of yesterday the difference is there isn't any structure in place. How the hell were gonna blame the babies? This type of thinking atleast in OMEGA shouldn't exist. Your point that you were making is bullchit. Stop calling for money etc etc etc.... These organizations were made for grooming young men and women to be leaders... Since we have went away from that and made everything about the almighty dollar, our orgs are suffering. Let it be shown you are the one who did the undergrad blah blah first not me. Again you shit on undergraduates...... you're shitting on your founders. Period. If you think undergraduates are not living up to the ideals then you get your lazy asses up and go help and stop worrying about the next crab fest or Mardi Gras. |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Jul 22, 2010 15:59:01 GMT -5
Finally!
Somebody understands the purpose of BGLOs. I think that many of the people who are in graduate chapters lose touch with the college students that are members of their organizations.
I just do not see how grad chapter members can say "we do more work and bring in more money than undergrads, so we are better!". Wait...I do see how they can say that. They either have lost touch with the bond that holds their organization together or they never had that bond in the first place.
It wouldn't matter if I was National President and raised $10,000,000 a year in donations. My heart would always lay with my undergraduate chapter. That is where I was made and where I learned the essence of brotherhood and friendship. All of those publicity stunts and uppity ideology that grad chapters perpetuate is nonsensical.
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 22, 2010 16:10:52 GMT -5
My heart is always with my UG Chapter as do most ppl who come in UG... but we cannot take away from those who did come in through grad. They do just as much if not more when it comes to community service, politicing, raising money, etc. This is why they think they are "better".
However, like the hood, when you come up, you shouldnt 4get where you came from , but ppl do. In some cases, people dont want to remember where they came from, but still, you really need both to accomplish the overall goal of the org, if you didnt, our founders wouldnt have never come up with idea...
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Post by AKAShannon on Jul 23, 2010 1:15:32 GMT -5
These kinds of disputes are just pointless. This is the equivalence of two siblings arguing about who is mother’s favorite! Both are loved equally and needed. Support your UG chapter! Support your Grad Chapter! Do it however you want! Just support your ORGANIZTION! Hell, support your college/university, especially HBCUs!!!
If we, the D9, were truly living up to our founders’ purposes, Black America would not be in the state it in (Black males in jail, education, health care, teen pregnancy, no true male figure in the house, and etc.) Our orgs would not be in the state they are in as well!
WE ALL FAIL!!!!!
Now, let’s get our collective asses’ together do the work that we all took an oath/pledge to do! If not, to quote VP, “You are shittin on your founders
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Post by Southie on Jul 23, 2010 8:35:53 GMT -5
<<this is just as interesting as the thread "Should Undergrad Chapters be abolished".
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 23, 2010 8:40:05 GMT -5
<<this is just as interesting as the thread "Should Undergrad Chapters be abolished". RIGHT! |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 23, 2010 9:44:10 GMT -5
My heart is always with my UG Chapter as do most ppl who come in UG... but we cannot take away from those who did come in through grad. They do just as much if not more when it comes to community service, politicing, raising money, etc. This is why they think they are "better". However, like the hood, when you come up, you shouldnt 4get where you came from , but ppl do. In some cases, people dont want to remember where they came from, but still, you really need both to accomplish the overall goal of the org, if you didnt, our founders wouldnt have never come up with idea... I co-sign to this. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 23, 2010 11:31:15 GMT -5
My heart is always with my UG Chapter as do most ppl who come in UG... but we cannot take away from those who did come in through grad. They do just as much if not more when it comes to community service, politicing, raising money, etc. This is why they think they are "better". However, like the hood, when you come up, you shouldnt 4get where you came from , but ppl do. In some cases, people dont want to remember where they came from, but still, you really need both to accomplish the overall goal of the org, if you didnt, our founders wouldnt have never come up with idea... |
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Post by Cambist on Jul 26, 2010 8:46:17 GMT -5
No. Fraternities and Sororities should only exist at the college level. These organizations are an integral part of college life. The college stuff should be left to college chapters. I agree. I also agree that they are an integral part of college life. Having chapters outside of the college campus does not really benefit Greek life. I disagree and so do many BLGO and WGO members. The WGLO members are creating graduate chapters as we speak. Yes.Adults shouldn't need to be active members of a Frat or Sorority outside of college for their lives to be enhanced. Life should be focused on establishing a career and a family after graduating. When people join fraternities and sororities we say that they join for life. Well, at least the BGLO's do (as do many WGLO's). You only spend a few years in college yet your committment extends well beyond those hallowed walls. Adults should be focused on career and family but why not add that social committment to the mix? Can you do it through another organization or the church? Of course. The question is why, when you can assert your influence and resources and benefit young men and women at the same time. Belonging to a graduate chapter takes away from giving back to the undergrad chapters. There is a great divide between undergraduate and graduate chapters. It has all to do with blacks wanting to "transcend" after college. But by joining and participating in grad chapters, the undergraduate chapters lose the guidance and help needed to stay strong. I agree with this...to a degree. As a matter of fact, I made the statement several years ago that graduate chapters focus should be on creating an organization that helps enhance the college members' ability to grow and develop. Everything we do should be in the interest of helping develop leaders...starting with our college members. To often, graduate chapters have their own agendas and it conflicts with that of college chapters. Most WGLOs do not have graduate chapters. Graduates are not considered members once they earn degrees. So in order to maintain a bond with the organization, former members give back to their college chapters by donating money, housing, and other resources to current college members. The emphasis is on the chapter, even more than the emphasis on the organization. There is no free lunch. Ask the WGLO's about the cost/benefit of this model. Also, white Greeks get ahead academically because they have access to vital information. Alumni from WGLOs form databases of old tests, papers, and lecture notes and hand that information down to the current college members. Members do not have to study as hard. This is the secret as to how chapters of 30+ members are able to maintain chapter GPAs of 3.0 or higher. When was the last time a graduate member took a test? Graduate members don't create the databases... undergraduates do. Lecture notes are filed after a member completes a course. I've suggested this to several chapters but to my knowledge, none have taken us up on it. One reason many don't have such a library is because they don't have houses on campus. My graduate chapter offered to house a library for the 2 chapters in our immediate area. To date...none have taken us up on it. Also, last time I checked, their grades weren't that much better than ours. Organizations that are divided amongst themselves do not function well. BGLOs are divided because of the differences in undergrad and graduate chapters. Eliminating grad chapters and focusing on college members will bring new strength and revitalization to BGLOs. We have a division because we are human. You think WGLO's don't have divisions? You think they don't disagree with the local "governing board"? You think they don't clash with the organizational leadership?? You think they don't have the pledge/paper controversy? Alumni Greek groups would do well for former college Greeks to connect. But having graduate chapters with the ability to vote and in some cases hold power over undergraduate chapters is a poison to BGLOs. The concerns of college students and and adults who live and work in the real world are very different. This is why graduate chapters should be abolished. I see and understand your argument although I disagree with your suggestion. Think about it this way, if undergraduates want more autonomy, why not take it? If there are enough chapter alumni members out there who agree with your notion that the college chapters are being smothered by graduate members, it should be a cakewalk to build a coalition of undergrads and grads who disagree with the progress stifling control of graduate members of the LIFEBLOOD of the organization...right? Fact is, the king and his court are not going to make suggestions on how the masses can rise up. If undergrads and graduates feel that undergraduate chapters are being oppressed by the graduate mafia then they should do what leaders do...form a movement and make the changes. Otherwise...all you are doing is whining and that is about 30cents from a quarter in what its worth..... |
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Post by Cambist on Jul 26, 2010 8:53:26 GMT -5
"Those who profess to favor freedom
and yet deprecate agitation,
are like men who want crops without
plowing up the ground.
They want rain without thunder and lightning.
They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters.
This struggle may be a moral one;
or it may be a physical one;
or it may be both moral and physical;
but it must be a struggle.
Power concedes nothing without a demand.
It never did, and it never will.
Find out just what people will submit to,
and you have found out the exact amount of injustice
and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and
these will continue until they are resisted
with either words or blows, or with both.
The limits of tyrants are presribed by the
endurance of those whom they oppress.
-Frederick Douglass
August 4, 1857
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Post by sdevil on Jul 28, 2010 15:23:49 GMT -5
Without Grad chapters you'll have a bunch of college aged students going "well if he/she ain't gotta do it, neither do I!"
Try holding a National Convention or circulating a Frat/Sorority wide newspaper with Dickheads like that around.
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Post by huey on Jul 30, 2010 23:13:01 GMT -5
Undergraduate Chapters should be abolished.
Well at least those with self lives of 1-2 years before being suspended for another 5.
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Jul 31, 2010 11:03:53 GMT -5
Undergraduate Chapters should be abolished. Well at least those with self lives of 1-2 years before being suspended for another 5. Really. Explain. |
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Post by Cambist on Aug 3, 2010 6:45:24 GMT -5
I understand what huey is saying. He's just saying that if you are consistantly being suspended every 1-2 years, your charter should be retired.
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Post by Robelite on Aug 3, 2010 22:46:53 GMT -5
I understand what huey is saying. He's just saying that if you are consistantly being suspended every 1-2 years, your charter should be retired. ...and I agree with huey! I told my own ug chapter that! |
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Post by Troopa1911 on Aug 4, 2010 7:18:42 GMT -5
I understand what huey is saying. He's just saying that if you are consistantly being suspended every 1-2 years, your charter should be retired. ...and I agree with huey! I told my own ug chapter that! |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Aug 4, 2010 16:41:09 GMT -5
...and I agree with huey! I told my own ug chapter that! That is disgusting. You guys have no sense of brotherhood. Shame on you for being members of a Fraternity. |
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Post by Cambist on Aug 5, 2010 9:02:43 GMT -5
Brotherhood goes both ways.
If your chapter fosters a culture of disrespect for the overall brotherhood then who has no sense of brotherhood? If my blood brother is dealing drugs out of my mother's house and car and I KNOW he is being watched by the police....who am I supposed to protect? Why would I allow him to continue putting my mother's life and property in jeopardy?
You would still love your brother but you must protect the family.
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Aug 5, 2010 16:53:28 GMT -5
Brotherhood goes both ways. If your chapter fosters a culture of disrespect for the overall brotherhood then who has no sense of brotherhood? If my blood brother is dealing drugs out of my mother's house and car and I KNOW he is being watched by the police....who am I supposed to protect? Why would I allow him to continue putting my mother's life and property in jeopardy? You would still love your brother but you must protect the family. You are correct. Snitching on your brother would definitely be the right thing to do. Everyone loves a good informant. I bet your whole family would call you a hero and throw you a party for doing the right thing. |
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Post by Robelite on Aug 5, 2010 17:56:22 GMT -5
That is disgusting. You guys have no sense of brotherhood. Shame on you for being members of a Fraternity. Ha! That's the biggest load of bullshit you've posted yet, but it's typical! I guess we should let the damned renegade college chapters just do whatever the hell they want, huh? The shame is on YOU and you're covered in it!! |
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Post by Cambist on Aug 9, 2010 8:41:23 GMT -5
Brotherhood goes both ways. If your chapter fosters a culture of disrespect for the overall brotherhood then who has no sense of brotherhood? If my blood brother is dealing drugs out of my mother's house and car and I KNOW he is being watched by the police....who am I supposed to protect? Why would I allow him to continue putting my mother's life and property in jeopardy? You would still love your brother but you must protect the family. You are correct. Snitching on your brother would definitely be the right thing to do. Everyone loves a good informant. I bet your whole family would call you a hero and throw you a party for doing the right thing. No one likes a snitch but to what degree do you protect your brother? What is he doing to protect you? If the cops come in and your mother loses her house and car...then what? Worse, what happens when momma loses her life behind your brother's activities? This is the time when you give your brother the ultimatum...stop dealing or get out. Let him know that this family is much bigger and much more important than him as an individual. I imagine that you don't disagree. If you want to continue to play devil's advocate I understand. |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Aug 9, 2010 17:13:13 GMT -5
You are correct. Snitching on your brother would definitely be the right thing to do. Everyone loves a good informant. I bet your whole family would call you a hero and throw you a party for doing the right thing. No one likes a snitch but to what degree do you protect your brother? What is he doing to protect you? If the cops come in and your mother loses her house and car...then what? Worse, what happens when momma loses her life behind your brother's activities? This is the time when you give your brother the ultimatum...stop dealing or get out. Let him know that this family is much bigger and much more important than him as an individual. I imagine that you don't disagree. If you want to continue to play devil's advocate I understand. If your brother is trapping like that, why would he still live at home? If my brother was selling drugs, he would be breaking us off some of that money. |
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