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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Jul 20, 2010 18:20:27 GMT -5
Yes.
Why?
Fraternities and Sororities should only exist at the college level. These organizations are an integral part of college life. Having chapters outside of the college campus does not really benefit Greek life. Greek-Lettered Organizations were really created to enhance the college experience. Adults shouldn't need to be active members of a Frat or Sorority outside of college for their lives to be enhanced. Life should be focused on establishing a career and a family after graduating.
Belonging to a graduate chapter takes away from giving back to the undergrad chapters. There is a great divide between undergraduate and graduate chapters. It has all to do with blacks wanting to "transcend" after college. But by joining and participating in grad chapters, the undergraduate chapters lose the guidance and help needed to stay strong.
Most WGLOs do not have graduate chapters. Graduates are not considered members once they earn degrees. So in order to maintain a bond with the organization, former members give back to their college chapters by donating money, housing, and other resources to current college members. The emphasis is on the chapter, even more than the emphasis on the organization.
Also, white Greeks get ahead academically because they have access to vital information. Alumni from WGLOs form databases of old tests, papers, and lecture notes and hand that information down to the current college members. Members do not have to study as hard. This is the secret as to how chapters of 30+ members are able to maintain chapter GPAs of 3.0 or higher.
Organizations that are divided amongst themselves do not function well. BGLOs are divided because of the differences in undergrad and graduate chapters. Eliminating grad chapters and focusing on college members will bring new strength and revitalization to BGLOs.
Alumni Greek groups would do well for former college Greeks to connect. But having graduate chapters with the ability to vote and in some cases hold power over undergraduate chapters is a poison to BGLOs. The concerns of college students and and adults who live and work in the real world are very different. This is why graduate chapters should be abolished.
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Post by Ms. RedamnDickulous on Jul 20, 2010 19:29:58 GMT -5
Unfortunately Grad isn't a natural transition. As an AKA, I cannot help but to think of a certain "graduate member's" influence in our early years and what a difference her wisdom and foresight made. I have been on both sides and also know how dreams can be taken away by undue influence by grad members, but also have seen how they can be restored.
If our orgs depended on UG to solely support our orgs financially and in deed they would suffer. Without focusing on the "bad apples in grad" or using a broad stroke in painting opinions, I would like to point out the benefits:
You have various ages, backgrounds and talents
More financial, social, political power
Better ability to influence through media
More access to resources
Presents a stronger global presence
Utilizes invite/ recommendation in many orgs verses the minimum qualifications
Better ability to travel and function globally
Besides, I just think of the valueable contributions many in grad make with the expertise they have from their various skills and careers. For example, I provide professional level event planning stemming from years of experience in the professional workforce, while others may contribute website design, project management, pr, organizational ability, creating educational programs, implementing activities which produce beneficial networks, etc... Not to say UG's do not have that talent, but there are fewer with the time, professionalism, and ability. Let's not even speak on the selection in some cases...there are a lot of "anybodies" in there.
I feel we all are necessary and can benefit. I think the question is the amount of control and influence one should have on the other. Selection is one of the major issues. I also feel UG presence, positions and opinion on National levels should be increased. Oh, and that NPHC...nevamind.
My solution; transfer into grad after graduating and make a difference.
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Jul 20, 2010 19:47:44 GMT -5
Unfortunately Grad isn't a natural transition. As an AKA, I cannot help but to think of a certain "graduate member's" influence in our early years and what a difference her wisdom and foresight made. I have been on both sides and also know how dreams can be taken away by undue influence by grad members, but also have seen how they can be restored. If our orgs depended on UG to solely support our orgs financially and in deed they would suffer. Without focusing on the "bad apples in grad" or using a broad stroke in painting opinions, I would like to point out the benefits: You have various ages, backgrounds and talents More financial, social, political power Better ability to influence through media More access to resources Presents a stronger global presence Utilizes invite/ recommendation in many orgs verses the minimum qualifications Better ability to travel and function globally Besides, I just think of the valueable contributions many in grad make with the expertise they have from their various skills and careers. For example, I provide professional level event planning stemming from years of experience in the professional workforce, while others may contribute website design, project management, pr, organizational ability, creating educational programs, implementing activities which produce beneficial networks, etc... Not to say UG's do not have that talent, but there are fewer with the time, professionalism, and ability. Let's not even speak on the selection in some cases...there are a lot of "anybodies" in there. I feel we all are necessary and can benefit. I think the question is the amount of control and influence one should have on the other. Selection is one of the major issues. I also feel UG presence, positions and opinion on National levels should be increased. Oh, and that NPHC...nevamind. My solution; transfer into grad after graduating and make a difference. You totally missed the point. The purpose of Greek life is to enhance the college experience, not to make money. The corporate culture within graduate chapters stands in direct opposition to the traditions of fidelity, brotherhood, and friendship that undergraduate fraternities and sororities were founded upon. I myself did not join a fraternity to do community service or to have something to put on my resume. I could have joined a hundred other groups for those purposes. Joining a graduate chapter who is not intimately connected to assisting local undergraduate chapters is pointless. Grad chapters get caught up in glorifying themselves, with little regard to giving back to college members. |
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Post by adisa on Jul 21, 2010 8:47:38 GMT -5
APIL, you should denounce your current frat and then start your own. Problem solved...for you.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 21, 2010 8:53:43 GMT -5
Interesting but the founders of all our orgs facilitated in someway the creation of graduate chapters.
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 21, 2010 9:12:50 GMT -5
No, I think they are necessary for progression
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 21, 2010 9:13:41 GMT -5
APIL, you should denounce your current frat and then start your own. Problem solved...for you. I didnt think he was a "current" member of any org.... |
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Post by AKAShannon on Jul 21, 2010 10:25:45 GMT -5
NO!
Why:
Graduate chapters are why the NPHC groups are the envy of NPC, IFC, and the other governing fraternal bodies. They want a more unified body of members instead of chapter base affiliations. In fact, more of the notable WGLOs are establishing alumni chapters for those members who want to be actively involved in their prospective org after graduation, Phi Mu to name one!
In my org, undergrad chapters can't exist without guidance/supervision of a Grad chapter. Also, the true work of the organizations is carried out by the Grad chapters.
Are some changes needed? Yes, but both fractions are needed and must continue to co-exist.
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Post by Iceman on Jul 21, 2010 10:30:07 GMT -5
No, I don’t think Grad Chapters should be abolished. In Alpha (and I assume with all the D9), they play a significant & integral role in our national outreach programs and service initiatives. Outside of that, there are numerous other factors that benefit the Frat as a whole with the existence of grad chapters. However, there were a few interesting points in your commentary that I can agree with though.
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 21, 2010 10:30:34 GMT -5
AKAS.. thats another reason I love convention/conference time... the 2520's are always in awe.. esp if you find one who strikes a convo that startswith "I was in a fraternity/sorority back in college"....
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Post by Troopa1911 on Jul 21, 2010 10:48:27 GMT -5
APIL,................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................You Stupid!
<----- Closes door on his way out.
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Post by happy1 on Jul 21, 2010 10:53:05 GMT -5
At the end of the day, these are all voluntary associations. If the greek alumni of a certain org decided to formalize their association, then what would be the significant difference between that and a grad chapter?
What people do with their lives is their business. If you decide to start a parallel org based on alumni of a specific school, you have the right to do that. Other than maybe lack of intake, that sounds like a grad chapter to me.
@fatal - APIL is NUPEY.
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Post by Robelite on Jul 21, 2010 11:17:12 GMT -5
APIL, you should denounce your current frat and then start your own. Problem solved...for you. The BEST response yet to the idiocy that is the subject of this thread!  EXHALT!! |
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Post by Troopa1911 on Jul 21, 2010 11:21:35 GMT -5
Well since you feel Grad Chapters are no longer needed...Stop calling us for money when you run out and can't effort to throw that party. Stop calling US when you need a venue for an event and the hotel/convention center don't want to fcuk wit you because of the liability factor of dealing wit young punkasses!
Stop calling US for help!
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Post by Robelite on Jul 21, 2010 11:23:41 GMT -5
Well since you feel Grad Chapters are no longer needed...Stop calling us for money when you run out and can't effort to throw that party. Stop calling US when you need a venue for an event and the hotel/convention center don't want to fcuk wit you because of the liability factor of dealing wit young punkasses!
Stop calling US for help!
The SECOND best response to the idiocy that is the subject of this thread! EXHALT....Again Troop!!! |
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 21, 2010 11:40:19 GMT -5
Well since you feel Grad Chapters are no longer needed...Stop calling us for money when you run out and can't effort to throw that party. Stop calling US when you need a venue for an event and the hotel/convention center don't want to fcuk wit you because of the liability factor of dealing wit young punkasses!
Stop calling US for help!
EXALT!!! |
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Post by icebraka on Jul 21, 2010 11:49:29 GMT -5
Well since you feel Grad Chapters are no longer needed...Stop calling us for money when you run out and can't effort to throw that party. Stop calling US when you need a venue for an event and the hotel/convention center don't want to fcuk wit you because of the liability factor of dealing wit young punkasses!
Stop calling US for help!
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Post by icebraka on Jul 21, 2010 11:49:59 GMT -5
At the end of the day, these are all voluntary associations. If the greek alumni of a certain org decided to formalize their association, then what would be the significant difference between that and a grad chapter? What people do with their lives is their business. If you decide to start a parallel org based on alumni of a specific school, you have the right to do that. Other than maybe lack of intake, that sounds like a grad chapter to me. @fatal - APIL is NUPEY. Were you in Houston this past week-weekend |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 21, 2010 12:21:33 GMT -5
Silliness.
<--x won't bother to comment beyond that
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 21, 2010 12:30:16 GMT -5
Interesting but the founders of all our orgs facilitated in someway the creation of graduate chapters. Strobelights. There it is. I agree with the advice Adisa gave also. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 21, 2010 12:31:29 GMT -5
NO! Why: Graduate chapters are why the NPHC groups are the envy of NPC, IFC, and the other governing fraternal bodies. They want a more unified body of members instead of chapter base affiliations. In fact, more of the notable WGLOs are establishing alumni chapters for those members who want to be actively involved in their prospective org after graduation, Phi Mu to name one! In my org, undergrad chapters can't exist without guidance/supervision of a Grad chapter. Also, the true work of the organizations is carried out by the Grad chapters. Are some changes needed? Yes, but both fractions are needed and must continue to co-exist. Underlined, and it gets more strict through out the years |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 21, 2010 12:34:22 GMT -5
Well since you feel Grad Chapters are no longer needed...Stop calling us for money when you run out and can't effort to throw that party. Stop calling US when you need a venue for an event and the hotel/convention center don't want to fcuk wit you because of the liability factor of dealing wit young punkasses!
Stop calling US for help!
Or when in trouble either on campus or in society and need a grad member who know someone who knows someone who knows someone, ROTFL! Same thing for wanting to get that job or internship. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 21, 2010 12:43:49 GMT -5
Well since you feel Grad Chapters are no longer needed...Stop calling us for money when you run out and can't effort to throw that party. Stop calling US when you need a venue for an event and the hotel/convention center don't want to fcuk wit you because of the liability factor of dealing wit young punkasses!
Stop calling US for help!
Just playing devils advocate your response proves his point. If more money was delegated back to Undergrad chapters they wouldn't need to ask for money. Furthermore it's stupid to think college students will have the monetary power of working adults. Secondly all parties should take place on the yard. Atleast the youngins have the foresight to secure buses to their parties that maybe off campus for those who drink. Thirdly the undergrad chapters really don't need the help of graduate chapters if the older brothers of their chapter came around and gave back. This type of thinking is what causes the divide. If it wasn't for undergraduate chapter alot of graduate members wouldn't have the itch in the first place. When you diss undergraduates.... you're shitting on your founders. |
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Post by Troopa1911 on Jul 21, 2010 13:06:40 GMT -5
Well since you feel Grad Chapters are no longer needed...Stop calling us for money when you run out and can't effort to throw that party. Stop calling US when you need a venue for an event and the hotel/convention center don't want to fcuk wit you because of the liability factor of dealing wit young punkasses!
Stop calling US for help!
Just playing devils advocate your response proves his point. If more money was delegated back to Undergrad chapters they wouldn't need to ask for money. Furthermore it's stupid to think college students will have the monetary power of working adults. Secondly all parties should take place on the yard. Atleast the youngins have the foresight to secure buses to their parties that maybe off campus for those who drink. Thirdly the undergrad chapters really don't need the help of graduate chapters if the older brothers of their chapter came around and gave back. This type of thinking is what causes the divide. If it wasn't for undergraduate chapter alot of graduate members wouldn't have the itch in the first place. When you diss undergraduates.... you're shitting on your founders.
You stated "Furthermore it's stupid to think college students will have the monetary power of working adults." I guess your right it is stupid but I guess that why we have grad chapters huh. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 21, 2010 13:10:40 GMT -5
Interesting but the founders of all our orgs facilitated in someway the creation of graduate chapters.
So what's new on WorldStarHipHop? Do y'all really want me to find a new Mexican Swag video? |
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 21, 2010 14:46:27 GMT -5
At the end of the day, these are all voluntary associations. If the greek alumni of a certain org decided to formalize their association, then what would be the significant difference between that and a grad chapter? What people do with their lives is their business. If you decide to start a parallel org based on alumni of a specific school, you have the right to do that. Other than maybe lack of intake, that sounds like a grad chapter to me. @fatal - APIL is NUPEY. Were you in Houston this past week-weekend Yes his ass was!!!! (MEOW) Floyd gotta a picture of him with a Zeta.. I can never remember her name! |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 21, 2010 15:44:41 GMT -5
Just playing devils advocate your response proves his point. If more money was delegated back to Undergrad chapters they wouldn't need to ask for money. Furthermore it's stupid to think college students will have the monetary power of working adults. Secondly all parties should take place on the yard. Atleast the youngins have the foresight to secure buses to their parties that maybe off campus for those who drink. Thirdly the undergrad chapters really don't need the help of graduate chapters if the older brothers of their chapter came around and gave back. This type of thinking is what causes the divide. If it wasn't for undergraduate chapter alot of graduate members wouldn't have the itch in the first place. When you diss undergraduates.... you're shitting on your founders.
You stated "Furthermore it's stupid to think college students will have the monetary power of working adults." I guess your right it is stupid but I guess that why we have grad chapters huh. You are shittin on your founders because they were undergrads and all fraternities were started in part by college students. Now lets cut that bullshit quick. When our orgs were the cream of the crop it was because the young men and women were coming through UNDERGRAD getting leadership skills, community service objectives done, running formal meetings properly, conducting fund raising initiatives, and the like. If you go back and look at the who's who of the civil rights movement 85% of those people pledged undergrad. Not even a comparison. This is the problem when folks who did pledge undergrad seeking to hold onto power sell the new graduate initiates you're better than the undergraduates while behind your back they see you as nothing but a check and a vote. Now look at the shape our organizations are in.... I think graduate chapters are needed but not to over see undergraduate chapters. That's what a Chapter adviser and older chapter brothers are for. Furthermore when it comes to money most times undergrad chapters can get more from their older chapter brothers than a grad chapter anyday. An example is Earl Graves gave his beloved chapter $30,000 to help facilitate its 85th anniversary. Again not even a comparison. If you shit on undergrads you're shitting on your founders period point blank. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 21, 2010 17:11:08 GMT -5
VP I'm not shittin on my founders by dissin an undergrads...shittin on my founders would be like not working within the 5 objectives of my fraternity. I'm responding to some bullshyt some random a$$ dude posted.
You stated "Furthermore it's stupid to think college students will have the monetary power of working adults." I guess your right it is stupid but I guess that why we have grad chapters huh. You are shittin on your founders because they were undergrads and all fraternities were started in part by college students. Now lets cut that bullshit quick. When our orgs were the cream of the crop it was because the young men and women were coming through UNDERGRAD getting leadership skills, community service objectives done, running formal meetings properly, conducting fund raising initiatives, and the like. If you go back and look at the who's who of the civil rights movement 85% of those people pledged undergrad. Not even a comparison. This is the problem when folks who did pledge undergrad seeking to hold onto power sell the new graduate initiates you're better than the undergraduates while behind your back they see you as nothing but a check and a vote. Now look at the shape our organizations are in.... I think graduate chapters are needed but not to over see undergraduate chapters. That's what a Chapter adviser and older chapter brothers are for. Furthermore when it comes to money most times undergrad chapters can get more from their older chapter brothers than a grad chapter anyday. An example is Earl Graves gave his beloved chapter $30,000 to help facilitate its 85th anniversary. Again not even a comparison. If you shit on undergrads you're shitting on your founders period point blank. Underlined, so true, so true. I mean, they may say whatever to grad initaties' faces to get whatever power they are wanting in the org., but I PROMISE you they feeling some kind of what about them pledging (ESPECIALLY when it was legal) and then the grad. initaites coming in grad. I've seen and heard it myself, and not just with my org. |
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Post by Troopa1911 on Jul 21, 2010 17:30:44 GMT -5
VP I'm not shittin on my founders by dissin an undergrads...shittin on my founders would be like not working within the 5 objectives of my fraternity. I'm responding to some bullshyt some random a$$ dude posted.
You stated "Furthermore it's stupid to think college students will have the monetary power of working adults." I guess your right it is stupid but I guess that why we have grad chapters huh. You are shittin on your founders because they were undergrads and all fraternities were started in part by college students. Now lets cut that bullshit quick. When our orgs were the cream of the crop it was because the young men and women were coming through UNDERGRAD getting leadership skills, community service objectives done, running formal meetings properly, conducting fund raising initiatives, and the like. If you go back and look at the who's who of the civil rights movement 85% of those people pledged undergrad. Not even a comparison. This is the problem when folks who did pledge undergrad seeking to hold onto power sell the new graduate initiates you're better than the undergraduates while behind your back they see you as nothing but a check and a vote. Now look at the shape our organizations are in.... I think graduate chapters are needed but not to over see undergraduate chapters. That's what a Chapter adviser and older chapter brothers are for. Furthermore when it comes to money most times undergrad chapters can get more from their older chapter brothers than a grad chapter anyday. An example is Earl Graves gave his beloved chapter $30,000 to help facilitate its 85th anniversary. Again not even a comparison. If you shit on undergrads you're shitting on your founders period point blank. |
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Post by Robelite on Jul 21, 2010 18:33:20 GMT -5
You are shittin on your founders because they were undergrads and all fraternities were started in part by college students. Now lets cut that bullshit quick. When our orgs were the cream of the crop it was because the young men and women were coming through UNDERGRAD getting leadership skills, community service objectives done, running formal meetings properly, conducting fund raising initiatives, and the like. If you go back and look at the who's who of the civil rights movement 85% of those people pledged undergrad. Not even a comparison. This is the problem when folks who did pledge undergrad seeking to hold onto power sell the new graduate initiates you're better than the undergraduates while behind your back they see you as nothing but a check and a vote. Now look at the shape our organizations are in.... I think graduate chapters are needed but not to over see undergraduate chapters. That's what a Chapter adviser and older chapter brothers are for. Furthermore when it comes to money most times undergrad chapters can get more from their older chapter brothers than a grad chapter anyday. An example is Earl Graves gave his beloved chapter $30,000 to help facilitate its 85th anniversary. Again not even a comparison. If you shit on undergrads you're shitting on your founders period point blank. Say that again, Troop!!! |
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