Can You Keep It Real?

[Julie Art]

OK, got this off SH (shout out to What):

Question 1: If an interest came to you and wanted to discuss his/her confusion about joining/switching an organization OR had some previous issues with joining another chapter, can you COMPLETELY discuss that person's issues and allow them to discuss their feelings openly, WITHOUT judgment, should they still choose to pursue your organization?

Question 2: Can you take HARSH criticism, FACE-2-FACE (could be on a website),about your organization and be able to discuss those issues sensibly or acknowledge those issues without getting upset?

Question 3: Could you honestly vote for a candidate who you KNOW was convicted of a crime, but has since straightened up their life?

Question 4: If you could remove ONE publicly known thing about your organization what would it be and why?

[Southie]

Jun 22, 2010 12:43:22 GMT -5 Julie Art said:

OK, got this off SH (shout out to What):

Question 1: If an interest came to you and wanted to discuss his/her confusion about joining/switching an organization OR had some previous issues with joining another chapter, can you COMPLETELY discuss that person's issues and allow them to discuss their feelings openly, WITHOUT judgment, should they still choose to pursue your organization?

Yes. I want the interests to be honest with me. Do not give me the okee dokee response.

Question 2: Can you take HARSH criticism, FACE-2-FACE (could be on a website),about your organization and be able to discuss those issues sensibly or acknowledge those issues without getting upset?

I have spoken to interests that have made their opinion very well known on some matters, however I had to let them know also, that they did not have all of the information.

Question 3: Could you honestly vote for a candidate who you KNOW was convicted of a crime, but has since straightened up their life?

I honestly would need to know the entire story. Can't give an automatic Yes to this one.

Question 4: If you could remove ONE publicly known thing about your organization what would it be and why?

You hear alot about how "hard" we get down, but it is so much more. And, if interests approaches me with how "hard" we get down...a few words will be met.

[All Pledging Is Legal]

No, hell no.

[AKAShannon]

Q1:
Honestly, no! In the back of my mind, I’m wondering, “What’s wrong with you?”

Q2.
As long as it is a valid criticism, not my sorority/frat is better than yours type foolishness.

Q3.
Depending on the crime (murder, crimes against children), NO!

Q4:
That frivolous law suite against our International President, Barbara A. McKinzie . Because it was something that should have been and could have been handled in house!

[Cambist]

Q1:
Of course. It's better to know and help them to work out their problems than to find out there was a problem AFTER they cross.

Q2.
Yep. As long as it's honest and constructive. I don't care to listen to someone simply point out the problems in my org for the sake of beating it down. There needs to be a point and it needs to be clear.

Q3.
Depends on the nature of the crime and the situation surrounding the crime.

Q4:
Not sure. I'm a big fan of full disclosure and once you tell a few thousand people, you cant really expect that to be fully secret. Besides the ritual...i'm not too protective of information. We are human...shit happens.

[DamieQue™]

Question 1:
Only if it's not my org they were thinking about joining -OR- if they're family.

Question 2:
Harsh? No. Diplomacy is as much a choice as satire is. You can make a point without going in. Let me also say it DOES depend on who it is saying it because their MOTIVES for saying it make a difference.

Question 3:
Yes. The only difference between many of us and the person convicted of the crime, is being caught. We not necessarily more moral than a person who has been convicted - just luckier in some instances.

Question 4:
Wrecking. If it was up to me you all wouldn't have a clue.

[Cambist]

<<== thought "Wrecking" was a dance done to New Jack Swing era song Rump Shaker.

**shrugs**

[DamieQue™]

Jun 23, 2010 7:14:38 GMT -5 Cambist said:

<<== thought "Wrecking" was a dance done to New Jack Swing era song Rump Shaker.

**shrugs**

LOL - yeah just roll with that Cam.

[FatalDST]

Jun 22, 2010 22:15:37 GMT -5 AKAShannon said:

Q1:
Honestly, no! In the back of my mind, I’m wondering, “What’s wrong with you?”

Q2.
As long as it is a valid criticism, not my sorority/frat is better than yours type foolishness.

Q3.
Depending on the crime (murder, crimes against children), NO!

Q4:
That frivolous law suite against our International President, Barbara A. McKinzie . Because it was something that should have been and could have been handled in house!

Shannon, I was even mad at this one!! I was like they need to expel they asses for this nonsense!

[AKAShannon]

Jun 23, 2010 8:17:46 GMT -5 FatalDST said:

Jun 22, 2010 22:15:37 GMT -5 AKAShannon said:

Q1:
Honestly, no! In the back of my mind, I’m wondering, “What’s wrong with you?”

Q2.
As long as it is a valid criticism, not my sorority/frat is better than yours type foolishness.

Q3.
Depending on the crime (murder, crimes against children), NO!

Q4:
That frivolous law suite against our International President, Barbara A. McKinzie . Because it was something that should have been and could have been handled in house!

Shannon, I was even mad at this one!! I was like they need to expel they asses for this nonsense!

I am sorry I'm going to miss all the fire works at the Boule in July! LOL

[Robelite]

Jun 22, 2010 12:43:22 GMT -5 Julie Art said:

OK, got this off SH (shout out to What):

Question 1: If an interest came to you and wanted to discuss his/her confusion about joining/switching an organization OR had some previous issues with joining another chapter, can you COMPLETELY discuss that person's issues and allow them to discuss their feelings openly, WITHOUT judgment, should they still choose to pursue your organization?

A: Yes....had a similar conversation with a brother in another chapter, and a young man from my community who's at the Univ. of Alabama right now. The brother is considering switching to my chapter. The young college student is trying to decide between Alpha and Omega. I told them BOTH, do what your heart AND head leads you to do. In the case of the student at Alabama, naturally I lean Alpha, but that's a decision he MUST make on his own.

Question 2: Can you take HARSH criticism, FACE-2-FACE (could be on a website),about your organization and be able to discuss those issues sensibly or acknowledge those issues without getting upset?

A: Been there, done that. I did ask the individuals about the origin of their opinions, but I let them talk all they wanted. A year later, two of them were at the interest seminar.

Question 3: Could you honestly vote for a candidate who you KNOW was convicted of a crime, but has since straightened up their life?

A: I'm like Cam....that would depend on what they did. Crimes of violence, esp those committed against children if that were the case...ummmm, I 'ont know. Likely NOT!

Question 4: If you could remove ONE publicly known thing about your organization what would it be and why?

A: Ummmm, not sure if there is anything about us that I can honestly say that is PUBLIC knowledge that shouldn't be. Cases of hazing possibly, but since those are felonies, they will become public record anyway.

[FatalDST]

Jun 23, 2010 9:10:17 GMT -5 AKAShannon said:

Jun 23, 2010 8:17:46 GMT -5 FatalDST said:

Shannon, I was even mad at this one!! I was like they need to expel they asses for this nonsense!

I am sorry I'm going to miss all the fire works at the Boule in July! LOL

LMAO.. Im sure you will hear about it!

[Cambist]

Jun 23, 2010 8:17:46 GMT -5 FatalDST said:

Jun 22, 2010 22:15:37 GMT -5 AKAShannon said:

Q1:
Honestly, no! In the back of my mind, I’m wondering, “What’s wrong with you?”

Q2.
As long as it is a valid criticism, not my sorority/frat is better than yours type foolishness.

Q3.
Depending on the crime (murder, crimes against children), NO!

Q4:
That frivolous law suite against our International President, Barbara A. McKinzie . Because it was something that should have been and could have been handled in house!

Shannon, I was even mad at this one!! I was like they need to expel they asses for this nonsense!

I actually thought it was a wonderful exercise in leadership. Not BAM but the ladies who decided to challenge the "queen". LOL!

[AKAShannon]

Cam,

The problem was not the “Challenge”. There were several issues involved. However, the main problem was that protocol was not followed! AKAs live and die by protocol!!!

[Julie Art]

Interesting soror Shannon. I have a different perspective but won't discuss in front of non-members.

[Cambist]

Jun 24, 2010 1:06:22 GMT -5 AKAShannon said:

Cam,

The problem was not the “Challenge”. There were several issues involved. However, the main problem was that protocol was not followed! AKAs live and die by protocol!!!

I see and I have experienced the machine that is AKA protocol so I can feel what you are saying.

[BLAC-A-MUS PRYME]

Jun 22, 2010 12:43:22 GMT -5 Julie Art said:

OK, got this off SH (shout out to What):

Question 1: If an interest came to you and wanted to discuss his/her confusion about joining/switching an organization OR had some previous issues with joining another chapter, can you COMPLETELY discuss that person's issues and allow them to discuss their feelings openly, WITHOUT judgment, should they still choose to pursue your organization?

Question 2: Can you take HARSH criticism, FACE-2-FACE (could be on a website),about your organization and be able to discuss those issues sensibly or acknowledge those issues without getting upset?

Question 3: Could you honestly vote for a candidate who you KNOW was convicted of a crime, but has since straightened up their life?

Question 4: If you could remove ONE publicly known thing about your organization what would it be and why?

Response to Question No.1
Why should I intefere with the decision making process of an interest? It is of course their choice and I would not want to be an influence to whether or not they choose to join my org. It is a LIFETIME decision and it should fall on them AND ONLY THEM to decide which path to take!

Response to Question No. 2
There should always be open discussion about the conditions of the organization. And there are times, where yes, there are moments where things can get heated, because of the fact that you are trying to express your ideas to people who can be just as closed minded as you.

Response to Question No. 3
I couldnt because the President will be the face of my organization. And if such facts were to surface to the eyes of the public, the effects could be condemning to the future of the organization.

Response to Question No. 4
The Prarie View incident where a prospect was driven to the hospital after being hazed and left there. This was a very bad time for the Fraternity and should not have happened in the first place, But we all kno how that goes...

[icebraka]

Jun 22, 2010 12:43:22 GMT -5 Julie Art said:

OK, got this off SH (shout out to What):

Question 1: If an interest came to you and wanted to discuss his/her confusion about joining/switching an organization OR had some previous issues with joining another chapter, can you COMPLETELY discuss that person's issues and allow them to discuss their feelings openly, WITHOUT judgment, should they still choose to pursue your organization?
Listening is one thing.......supporting is another.


Question 2: Can you take HARSH criticism, FACE-2-FACE (could be on a website),about your organization and be able to discuss those issues sensibly or acknowledge those issues without getting upset?
Outside opinion about my org doesn't matter......if you don't like us we really don't care


Question 3: Could you honestly vote for a candidate who you KNOW was convicted of a crime, but has since straightened up their life?
felony? misdemeanor? I'm all for change but at the same thing if you stole some stuff and came in the org you can't be 10ft around the money or checkbook

Question 4: If you could remove ONE publicly known thing about your organization what would it be and why?
The BAM lawsuit......there's a lot that YALL don't know....m.o.f. some members don't understand some things also

[Iceman]

Question 1:
If he is asking me about any of the other four D9 male orgs outside of APA, I could try to give my opinion and perspective based on my personal experiences or observations of them. But I probably wouldn’t appreciate a stranger coming at me like “I’m really close to petioning for ABC Frat. But what can you tell me about APA that will change my mind and make me consider ya’ll. Sell me on your Frat. C’mon, give me your pitch”. Umm…NO. I don’t have to sell you on anything. Good luck with the other Frat cuz.

Question 2:
Valid criticism? Yes. Nobody is perfect and my Fraternity is made up of men who are subject to mistakes. I’ll listen and converse. But brash opinions that I sense are deep rooted in hatred, jealousy, envy, etc? I have no time for it B.

Question 3:
To put it simply, it would depend on the crime.

Question 4:
The structure of our M.I.P.

[ORACLE]

Jul 8, 2010 13:29:51 GMT -5 Iceman said:

Question 1:
If he is asking me about any of the other four D9 male orgs outside of APA, I could try to give my opinion and perspective based on my personal experiences or observations of them. But I probably wouldn’t appreciate a stranger coming at me like “I’m really close to petioning for ABC Frat. But what can you tell me about APA that will change my mind and make me consider ya’ll. Sell me on your Frat. C’mon, give me your pitch”. Umm…NO. I don’t have to sell you on anything. Good luck with the other Frat cuz.

Question 2:
Valid criticism? Yes. Nobody is perfect and my Fraternity is made is made up men who are subject to mistakes. I’ll listen and converse. But brash opinions that I sense are deep rooted in hatred, jealousy, envy, etc? I have no time for it B.

Question 3:
To put it simply, it would depend on the crime.

Question 4:
The structure of our M.I.P.

*EXALT*

[guestd9]

There is no problem about any of the questions. If I could remove 1 stereotype about my org it would be.............., but that is every org. I wish all org stereotypes were removed and we saw them based on their stereotypes of 1930. I know a particular org would be left out of that, but they have no stereotype anyway!!