S.C. Democratic Debate

[Search1906]

Man I was pleasantly surprised when I logged in and read the responses. Thanks for sharing. Damie I feel you on what you are saying and I share those same sentiments I'm just wary of making a choice on feelings alone. Ghost, LadyL, Saphy, Outtie you all make excellent points too. Konfucious you shut it down man. LOL

Did any of you catch Edwards on Michael Baisden yesterday? Clinton and Obama are supposed to be on today. Say what you will about Michael Baisden but he has stepped up his game in terms of being relevant politically and bringing info to people who otherwise wouldn't seek it out.

[Champs Elysees]

I'm listening to Mike Baisden now.

We are building a $700 million embassay in Baghdad, Iraq!!!!!

Are they serious? What the fuck!!!!

[DamieQue™]

That's just some political contributors, who have ties to defense contractors, getting their kick back from the Bush administration.

[Champs Elysees]

ladyl said:

I'm listening to Mike Baisden now.

We are building a $700 million embassay in Baghdad, Iraq!!!!!

Are they serious? What the fuck!!!!

My bad. That's a $592 million embassy.

[Vudu_Prince]

Once I get this certification shid I'm going over them one of those hot zones and get paid my dayum self...

[Vudu_Prince]

I didn't see this live but I have watched excerpts.

<<Thought that one time Barack wanted to say.... Bytch would you just shut the fuck up so I can get my point across. Dayum you is a simple bytch.. SHucks!

[AlphaMale]

I don't get why so many Blacks are so beholden to the Clinton name. It just shows our relative ignorance. Clinton did NOTHING for Blacks while in office. Hell, he sent more of us to jail than anyone else, kicked many of our needy families off public assistance, and then ignored the GENOCIDE in Rwanda.

Obama gets my vote and to be honest, it kind of sickens me to see so many Blacks talking about Clinton. She's a liar and is running a very dirty campaign with that asshole of a hubby she has at the forefront. This is rather despicable.

God knows when the next opportunity will be (if ever) that we'll be able t vote a Black man into office. I don't understand why we, as a people, aren't seizing it!!!

WAKE UP BLACK FOLKS! No one else in this nation gives a damn about Blacks... Its about time we stood up for ourselves.

[Gee-Are]

Damie...I feel you on your reasons as a whole. The core of the reasons aren't necessarily based on policy issues, but personal preference, which is totally fine.

Whoever it is...this election year will be a major step in changing images of Black men, women and Americans around the world, as long as no foolishness pops off.

msurbana said:

It is very hard for me to decide at this point who would be the best candidate for my needs and the needs of the majority of Americans in general.
However, Hillary has currently caught my eye.


I'll buy Obama's book in efforts to support a black man---not(ATTEMPT) to put him in the white house solely because he's half black. As of now I see nothing extremely impressive from him, but he does have some platforms in which I agree. I am concerned he doesn't seem to have extensive experience in politics.

Based upon your history of blatant sexism ( )...that may well be because Hillary is a woman.


But that's cool to side with the women. In the grand scheme of things politically, black men win on being first, so you're supporting the "underdog."

*Bit o' History*
Firsts...Woman or Black Man?

First elected officials, local, state or national level: - Black Man

First to get right to vote: - for all intensive purposes White women, but technically, Black Men

First political appointee: - Black Man

First U. S. President? Who knows, but In my research the candidates aren't separating themselves ideologically by very much. So then, it boils down to personality and personal prejudices. Given the history of America, if it boils down to those two. Track record says Barack wins.


>>>>still has not endorsed any particular candidate.

[Mrs. Eyes]

Today on Michael Baisdin (sp?) he asked Hillary to quit with the bickering all of the foolishness because we as a people don't care about it and it's not what we want to hear. She said she would quit, and I want her to be a woman of her word. He has yet to ask Obama this because he hasn't gotten on the radio yet and I hope he agrees to stop as well.

But how I feel about this only time will tell..........

[konfucius1911]

vodouprince said:

Thought that one time Barack wanted to say.... Bytch would you just shut the fuck up so I can get my point across. Dayum you is a simple bytch...

LOL. The funny thing is I thought I was the ONLY person who picked up on that message; suggested by his body language.

TOO FUNNY !!!

[msurbana]

Is there any particular reason why my reason for possibly favoring a certain candidate is being highlighted with slight contempt and no one elses?Could that have something to do with covert sexism? Hmmn...

(coughs back venom)

I actually agree with your latter statements suggesting that a black man will beat a woman in firsts especially if personal prejudices determine the score.

I haven't spoke about that here, but that's one reason why I HIGHLY EXTREMELY DOUBT that Hillary will make it to the white house.

The average person living in the "Bible Belt" of America subscribes to conservative values. If you check around this message board you will see that in full affect. Those very people don't even believe a woman should be in the pulpit let alone THE WHITE HOUSE.

Yet I could be wrong.

Therefore I try my hardest not to look at Hillary's sex and to NOT look at Obama's color.

I will not be forced into supporting Obama simply because he is half black. YES YES image is everything. Having a black guy in the white house WOULD BE WONDERFUL...history making is so FUN!!!

However we still need the best candidate to get the job done.

I mean for goodness sakes 8 year of the BUSH admin...and I am skeptical of everything and everyone.
You'll have to be bring something more than brown skin or an A-line power suit skirt to make me choose.


Also, just in my various circles I have heard men and women say they are not voting for her because she is a woman. One of my white borderline racist coworkers said he would rather see Obama than Hillary. LOL When asked his reasoning he couldn't even muster up an explanation. I wish he would have just said because she's a woman and saved us all the airtime.

And you're talking about sexism......LOL

msurbana said:

It is very hard for me to decide at this point who would be the best candidate for my needs and the needs of the majority of Americans in general.
However, Hillary has currently caught my eye.


I'll buy Obama's book in efforts to support a black man---not(ATTEMPT) to put him in the white house solely because he's half black. As of now I see nothing extremely impressive from him, but he does have some platforms in which I agree. I am concerned he doesn't seem to have extensive experience in politics.

Based upon your history of blatant sexism ( )...that may well be because Hillary is a woman.


But that's cool to side with the women. In the grand scheme of things politically, black men win on being first, so you're supporting the "underdog."

*Bit o' History*
Firsts...Woman or Black Man?

First elected officials, local, state or national level: - Black Man

First to get right to vote: - for all intensive purposes White women, but technically, Black Men

First political appointee: - Black Man

First U. S. President? Who knows, but In my research the candidates aren't separating themselves ideologically by very much. So then, it boils down to personality and personal prejudices. Given the history of America, if it boils down to those two. Track record says Barack wins.


>>>>still has not endorsed any particular candidate.
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[Gee-Are]

So, I take it that you agree that there's not much to determine the differences between the Democratic candidates other than their sex and race (Edwards included)?

If so, why do you choose to have your eye tantalized by Hillary instead of Obama? If your only reason is that he doesn't seem to have that much experience, how has Hillary proven to have more? She has what 2/3 longer term than he has?

You can't assume that she knew everything politically that transpired in the White House as First Lady. So other than having more experience of sleeping on the Lincoln Bedroom sheets, how does she trump him?

I'm not trying to be argumentative at all. I'm just asking for the substance that you say you're looking for from the other candidates.

Damie...while not necessarily quantifying Obama's political achievements, expressed why he believed Obama was the right choice philosophically.

So, if all things being equal, you decide to side with Hillary, why is that? No wrong answer. I'm just curious, and if you wanna say that's none of my business, feel free to do that as well.



Just know, if you do...you concede that you don't have a good answer.



at least in my mind.

[Sapphire]

Oh shucks. I missed Edwards on Baisden. I heard snippets of Clinton and Obama that he played. You're right Search... he has been doing a good job of bringing the election to the "people." I'll confess, I haven't focused on it much but now that the VA primaries are coming I have to get myself together.

I actualy watched snippets of the Republican debate tonight. They apparantly watched or heard about the democratic debate and all agreed not to act a fool. It was all very civil and respectful for each candidate, even when they got to ask questions of each other. From what I saw Romney and Huckabee were the best as far as ideas and presentation went.

I'll definitely watch the next democratic debate if there is one.

[msurbana]

I never said Hillary trumped Obama. I simply said I had my eye on her and that I didnt see anything particulary impressive from him.

Also do you HONESTLY believe the only difference between Hillary and Obama is race and sex? What about personality? What about background? Those are two major things I can call off hand. What about Zodiac sign? UH....yeah I went there. LOL Gotta love a Scorpio woman! LOL

To the item of major concern. Why has Hillary caught my eye? Perhaps it's because Hillary has HAD my eye prior to the 2008 election. I've been interested in Hillary and following Hillary before I EVEN KNEW what an Obama was let alone cared about who a Barak will be.
I have her book on tape. I have read up on her. I have watched her speak.

If it's philosophical reasons you appreciate I can give you those----I like Hillary, because she's familiar. I feel comfortable with the fact that I know and have seen her history and background. Does that mean she will be a better president. NO. That's why I do not choose her at this moment. Yet my previous awareness of her keeps my eye on.

If it's a political response you need, I can give you that as well. Hillary did not simply sleep on the Lincoln Bedroom sheets. She has always been active politically in her role as a first lady beginning with First Lady of Arkansas and then First Lady of the Unitied states. It's makes no sense to try to display what she has donen here. Her political resume is lengthy and almost impeccable figuretively speaking. She's been involved in politics even prior to her days as a Wellesly girl. She had been in presidential politics since she she was a teen.
Also she has been very committed (key word) to implementing a strong national health care plan. Also, her various platforms have focused around children, women and families---as well as education.
These are the things that I listed were important to me earlier.


Hillary has what it takes. There is NO doubt about that and I honestly don't think there should be any doubt about why my eye is on her.

I admire many of her accomplishments. By the way she doesn't need THIS first although it was be like finally winning a Gold Medal for her. She has a long list of firsts to proceded her chances of being the first woman president...

just thought I'd add that.

[msurbana]

With that being said, I liken my current feelings about Hillary to the feelings I have about Eli Manning. I've had my eye on Eli since he was a rookie. I am happily excited that he is going to the superbowl, but highly doubt he will win. ( Cries...I need you to win ELI)

I almost feel like what's the point of rooting for either?

I mean she may win the Democratic ticket, but how much of a realistic chance does she win overall?

I haven't counted Obama out and I honestly don't have anything against him. However, I am not going to force myself to like or choose him as a candidate. There are so many reasons why I feel this way. Maybe I will narrow it down and respond in Damie's thread. But I can't tonight, because I have to go to bed.

[AlphaMale]

msurbana, no one is counting out your choice for prez based on sexist reasons.

Clinton is just a liar. I mean honestly, do you hear her speak and get inspired? Do you think she can actually unite this nation?

I don't. She's polarizing and has shown herself to be willing to do anything to win - even lie and distort her opponents' records. Its disgusting.

[msurbana]

AM a statement of sexism was made and the insinuation that I was choosing Hillary because she was a female was exerted. That's why my comment followed.

Im not in favor of any candidate enough to debate back and forth for extremely long.

I have been inspired by Clinton. I think she knows politics well enough to fight for major issues if given the chance. She campaigning like a lawyer/politician.....

I don't find what she's doing any more disgusting than what the average politician does. Yet if she does something outrageous I won't support it...as I wouldn't any candidate.


For the record I have not sided with ANY candidate yet. However, Hillary has caught my eye.

[Gee-Are]

Ok...in an attempt to sum up your posts...

Race and sex is not their only difference. You're right I concede that we should also be considering differences in their addresses, hairstyles, hair composition, number of children, clothing choices, eye color, E.Q., electric slide and axe slaying capabilties - vs.

And Obama has TWO books on tape - btw!

As far as her commitment to healthcare, she had a chance in '92 during the FIRST Bill Clinton term, and what came of it? It looks like the same healthcare options to me. So giving her ANOTHER 4 years guarantees that her "commitment" translates to universal healthcare to all, how?

So we're turning this into a sports metaphor now? First this is the olympics for Hillary, then Eli Manning?

>>>>not going there.

You continue to say you have nothing against Obama, yet Clinton has "caught" your eye. It's like you feel that someone is asking you to make a prediction, and you want to ensure that you didn't count anybody out if they win. Are you making betting recommendations for money? If so, just wink. We know it's illegal...

Hillary Clinton does have the knack to cause polarization. She admits to being hated upon and scorned for 16 years as she says. 8 during the Clinton presidency and the 8 after. How can a personality like that be successful in bringing together a country that needs to work together on answers for economy, healthcare, education, homeland security, immigration, the environment and all the other issues that are important to diverse peoples of the U.S.? And how is she gonna help me get back to bling status of before 2000? Answer me that, huh?

As I've said, I haven't endorsed anyone officially yet, but in the process of this discussion, I might be willing to scratch someone on my list. I still need more info, maybe I'll hit Damie up for some Obama knowledge in a minute.

[msurbana]

ghost said:

Ok...in an attempt to sum up your posts...

Race and sex is not their only difference. You're right I concede that we should also be considering differences in their addresses, hairstyles, hair composition, number of children, clothing choices, eye color, E.Q., electric slide and axe slaying capabilties - vs.

You can concede if you'd like. I have nothing to do with your decision. My only point was that there are more differences in why someone MAY prefer one over the other than sex or race. You just acknowledged that a person can favor a candidate for non policy reasons and that it was alright with you.

And Obama has TWO books on tape - btw!



Okay.


As far as her commitment to healthcare, she had a chance in '92 during the FIRST Bill Clinton term, and what came of it? It looks like the same healthcare options to me. So giving her ANOTHER 4 years guarantees that her "commitment" translates to universal healthcare to all, how?


When are there ever guarantees with politicians? LOL. Her commitment to it causes my eye to be on her Also she was more succesful with her follow up health care initiave. Experience, perserverence and commitment. It works for me to HAVE MY EYE ON HER.

So we're turning this into a sports metaphor now? First this is the olympics for Hillary, then Eli Manning?

>>>>not going there.


Why is this relevant? You said you weren't looking for a debate. Who are you fooling? LOL

You continue to say you have nothing against Obama, yet Clinton has "caught" your eye. It's like you feel that someone is asking you to make a prediction, and you want to ensure that you didn't count anybody out if they win. Are you making betting recommendations for money? If so, just wink. We know it's illegal...



I have nothing against Obama, yet Hillary has caught my eye. Do you like that better in color? ;D


Hillary Clinton does have the knack to cause polarization. She admits to being hated upon and scorned for 16 years as she says. 8 during the Clinton presidency and the 8 after. How can a personality like that be successful in bringing together a country that needs to work together on answers for economy, healthcare, education, homeland security, immigration, the environment and all the other issues that are important to diverse peoples of the U.S.? And how is she gonna help me get back to bling status of before 2000? Answer me that, huh?


Currently, I am not interested in what she can do for you as an individual.

As I've said, I haven't endorsed anyone officially yet, but in the process of this discussion, I might be willing to scratch someone on my list. I still need more info, maybe I'll hit Damie up for some Obama knowledge in a minute.


Okay. I am not interested in recruiting anyone to support Hillary especially because I haven't given her my sole support as of yet.

Hillary has caught my eye, yet I see nothing extremely impressive about any other candidates at this moment.