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Post by frozenmenace on May 27, 2010 16:24:09 GMT -5
And to add to what Cam said, Ive heard ALOT of folks say "they have my money" meaning initation fees, and they arent that willing to let that go by quitting, so some endure more than normal because of the money factor (so Ive heard in some situations) They can get that money back if they really want it. Our national offices aren't feeling lawsuits. They would probably be happy to cut them a check for the money they paid if it will keep them from being sued. LOL! |
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Post by Julie Art on May 27, 2010 16:27:01 GMT -5
Lol! That's what I'm saying. You decide not go through MIP you get your money back naturally. And to add to what Cam said, Ive heard ALOT of folks say "they have my money" meaning initation fees, and they arent that willing to let that go by quitting, so some endure more than normal because of the money factor (so Ive heard in some situations) it aint like its non-refundable... maybe! LOL |
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Post by urbanfashionista on May 27, 2010 16:35:10 GMT -5
I dont think most "aspirants" think they can get their money back... especially when you got 24-48 hours to give the money
I knew a guy that was getting his azz beat black and blue and thats all he kept saying was "yo these ninjas got my money, they got my money"
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Post by Julie Art on May 27, 2010 16:39:02 GMT -5
Oh well, that's on him. Me being me, I would have said something, but that's just me.
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Post by urbanfashionista on May 27, 2010 16:43:34 GMT -5
word! I honestly think a lot more folks would "drop" if they could get their money back. But my question is (and Im sure its been asked before), at what point does the "line" say hold up, we arent really trying to go for this Never! I promise you it gone always be 1 or 2 that will do whatever it takes to cross short of getting killed... when the possibility of the whole line getting dropped, thats where the line gets draws! LOL Its not longer "us"! LMAO.. |
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Post by **Dea** on May 27, 2010 19:10:50 GMT -5
1. damn....somebody snitched on the Ques?  ? 2. Maybe the parental anger comes from it ONLY being physical abuse. There is a situation I heard about where all hell broke loose but it didn't stem from the physical aspect of it...it was moreso the fact that when ask what about the org they were learning in the midst of the asswhoopin they literally had been taught NATHAN! ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE! 3. DAAAAAMMMN....Somebody snitched on the Ques? ? Never thought I'd see the day! |
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Post by 123Diva on May 27, 2010 19:36:23 GMT -5
I'll be damned if somebody, ANYBODY tried to hit me with a bat. I'd lose my salvation, sanity, and freedom all at once. I can't think of one damn org or some 3 letters worth it.
This story is sooo sad and crazy to me. I am tired of hearing these stories; I really am. And to think that some people (who are well qualified and would make productive members) don't make it through because they refuse to (or even can't) put up with battery and abuse. Creme of the crop? Talented 10th?
Yea.
Okay.
Whatever...
Ignorance truly is bliss.
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on May 27, 2010 19:47:34 GMT -5
I'll tell you exactly what I'm saying..... It's easy to say that this young man (just like other young men and women before him) could have said "I quit," but we sure as hell all know that wouldn't have gone over very well with the group he was aspiring to, or the campus as he would have been ridiculed had he actually decided after day one, "to hell with this bullschit, I'm out." See my post above regarding the coming out and how he would have been mocked and joked. There is this culture today among our BGLOs that tells aspirants before anything else, you must be made "real," other wise we (the members of the prospective org) will not respect you and you will not be greeted as a brother/soror. Like Cam said, the responsibility for bringing in new members rests with the members, not the aspirants. If the members can't do it right, or do their wrong right, then perhaps they need to stick with following the damned constitutions. I'll use our own Bro. Kilpatrick as an example, had he simply done what he (an elected and sworn in representative of municipal law) should have done, and remained within those boundaries, he wouldn't be looking at spending the next two years minimum behind bars. If these pledge freaks/hazers/ass-beaters would simply follow THE LAW, they wouldn't be facing the prospect of standing before a judge because of a lawsuit brought about by one of their own because they beat his son to a pulp....all so they could call him, "frat." I totally agree. And being the mother of two teenagers who will be going off to college in 2 and 3 years, respectively, if I found out anyone was beating either of my children like that, someone would be passing around the hat for bail money for me. 18, 19, 20 year olds do not have the maturity of 30, 31 and 32 year olds. Although legally they are adults, the maturity level is just not there at that age. Peer pressure to be 'made right' on campus is oftentimes outweighs common sense at that age. As existing members of our organizations, it is our responsibiity to make sure we uphold the letter of the law and follow the process as prescribed by our higher ups. It is is what it is. |
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Post by Coldfront06 on May 27, 2010 20:03:42 GMT -5
Incidents like this and the typical response make me sad and worried about the state of our organizations. I don't care if an aspirant says "beat me black and gold until I cross please sir" WE should have sense enough to NOT do it.
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 27, 2010 21:28:49 GMT -5
Money >>> Membership
Sue those fools into bankruptcy.
But the dad is still KAT.
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Post by Sapphire on May 27, 2010 23:41:34 GMT -5
I'll be damned if somebody, ANYBODY tried to hit me with a bat. I'd lose my salvation, sanity, and freedom all at once. I can't think of one damn org or some 3 letters worth it. This story is sooo sad and crazy to me. I am tired of hearing these stories; I really am. And to think that some people (who are well qualified and would make productive members) don't make it through because they refuse to (or even can't) put up with battery and abuse. Creme of the crop? Talented 10th? Yea. Okay. Whatever... Ignorance truly is bliss. I heart Diva |
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Post by Cambist on May 28, 2010 6:51:14 GMT -5
I call BS cause I bet you 9 times out of 10 his father told him about the get down. And I'm pretty sure the son had some idea because his dad has been an Omega for 30 yrs and it isn't like he hasn't heard his dad stories at some point. Come on now. As I said before, hella suspect. The responsibility for bringing in new members rests with the members and not the aspirants. No aspirant knows the process they will be taken through. What they DO know is that thousands of men and women have supposedly done EXACTLY what they are about to do and that it is supposed to be an experience. I agree that this particular incident seems suspect but in the end, it's that chapter's leadership who has the responsibility to manage these issues and obviously....that didn't happen. I too have witnessed, first hand, pledges paying money, getting the shit kicked out of them, and then taught absolutely nothing of any importance....all in the name of being made the "right way". To Frozen's point, think about it....if you were hazing some Sphinxmen and during that session the pledge said, "This has nothing to do with the process" every Alpha in the room would say, "How the EFF do you know!!??" I am a member of several organizations and some of the rituals, if taken through them correctly, would make any sane man wonder why the hell they are still in the room! The ritual or process is supposed to do this. So the aspirant is supposed to TRUST that the members wouldn't do anything to hurt them even in these times when the perception of eminent danger is the goal. So I have no sympathy for any BGLO member that actually physically hurts an aspirant or does something high risk that could potentially hurt an aspirant and then gets caught. You have violated the rules. You have violated the most sacred trust of your organization. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on May 28, 2010 9:06:45 GMT -5
*Reads article*
A bat?
Seriously...?
I doubt that very much.
It used to be that if you wanted to be a Bruh you had to get to know the Bruhz on the yard. It's not even a secret - hell there are plenty of chapter websites that even give you step by step guidance on this. But now in 2010, somehow folks think they can become Bruhz on a yard where there are no Bruhz? And your Dad is a Bruh and you can ask him about the official process, timelines, rules and regulations and this happens?
Whatever man. I'm done. NEXT.
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Post by Julie Art on May 28, 2010 9:59:22 GMT -5
I call BS cause I bet you 9 times out of 10 his father told him about the get down. And I'm pretty sure the son had some idea because his dad has been an Omega for 30 yrs and it isn't like he hasn't heard his dad stories at some point. Come on now. As I said before, hella suspect. I agree that this particular incident seems suspect but in the end, it's that chapter's leadership who has the responsibility to manage these issues and obviously....that didn't happen.I too have witnessed, first hand, pledges paying money, getting the shit kicked out of them, and then taught absolutely nothing of any importance....all in the name of being made the "right way". To Frozen's point, think about it....if you were hazing some Sphinxmen and during that session the pledge said, "This has nothing to do with the process" every Alpha in the room would say, "How the EFF do you know!!??" I am a member of several organizations and some of the rituals, if taken through them correctly, would make any sane man wonder why the hell they are still in the room! The ritual or process is supposed to do this. So the aspirant is supposed to TRUST that the members wouldn't do anything to hurt them even in these times when the perception of eminent danger is the goal. So I have no sympathy for any BGLO member that actually physically hurts an aspirant or does something high risk that could potentially hurt an aspirant and then gets caught. You have violated the rules. You have violated the most sacred trust of your organization. Underlined:There are no active chapter members, they all have graduated, soooooooooooo This is where the whole thing is crazy and hella suspect. How the dad not know this? I think the whole thing is fishy, and I think the dad did know what was going down all along. How he was cool with it when all the active members of that chapter has graduated boogles me. |
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Post by frozenmenace on May 28, 2010 12:55:23 GMT -5
I personally have seen aspirants/pledges walk out and decide not to participate in the pledge process..but they still showed up at MIP and crossed like everybody else. They were somewhat disrespected on their college campuses, but once they graduated and entered the real world, no one gave a darn. I agree that any member who violates the rules should be dealt with accordingly, however, I am not sympathetic toward the aspirant who allows him/herself to be hazed, especially when they signed a form stating what the MIP entails and promising not to participate in any activities outside of the established MIP. "I didn't know" doesn't fly.
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