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Post by FatalDST on May 27, 2010 12:48:30 GMT -5
2-3 days, even a week in one thing, 5 -6 weeks.. possibly months now, its another!
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Post by nsync on May 27, 2010 12:48:58 GMT -5
Never. Animals be hazing each other too...we just can't escape it.  When will this madness stop??? sigh |
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 27, 2010 12:49:15 GMT -5
Well im calling daddy out caus e daddy aint as "suprised" as he acting... THIS! Lets be real... Its all "Boy you better take that" until he has to go to the hospital ... Daddy mad about that deductible... thats all.. |
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Post by FatalDST on May 27, 2010 12:51:47 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by nsync on May 27, 2010 12:51:58 GMT -5
Exalt. You know what I find interesting.. In MOST fraternity cases its the PARENTS who snitch to the authorities not the guys... yet they still get labeled snitches because they NEEDED to go to hospital and 9xs /10 are still on their parent's health insurance.... I think the whole the person should quit after one day is some BS. What type of soft ass flake did you allow to get online that is not going to be able to take at least a COUPLE of days of heat... |
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Post by Cambist on May 27, 2010 12:57:29 GMT -5
The responsibility for bringing in new members rests with the members and not the aspirants.
No aspirant knows the process they will be taken through. What they DO know is that thousands of men and women have supposedly done EXACTLY what they are about to do and that it is supposed to be an experience.
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Post by nsync on May 27, 2010 12:58:09 GMT -5
Honestly, all this isht borders manic behavior. I am not just talking this case, because of course I don't know the particulars.
On one hand there is a culture that is promoted directly, indirectly, through tacit and verbal agreements whatever.
Then on the other hand is "you shouldn't have let it occur"
On another hand your are breaking these folks down well before day one---then teaching them NOT to think for themselves, to learn to adhere to a code and to think like a unit
On the other hand the individual should be smart enough.
It just becomes exhausting to everyone even those indirectly involved.
Plus lots of time folks will wanna drop but sometimes are influence by the line or even adp...dean whatever which prolongs them dropping. Or they hope they could just make it pass this brick to the head. SMH.
So...yeah it's all hogwash in the end.
Also, I feel bad for alot of these kids, because they are KIDS. They have a lot of life to learn. They just want to give their all to something, anything and anyone.
Sigh...
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 27, 2010 13:02:23 GMT -5
EXALT THIS ISH RIGHT HERE!!!! Honestly, all this isht borders manic behavior. I am not just talking this case, because of course I don't know the particulars. On one hand their is a culture that is promoted directly, indirectly, through tacit and verbal agreements whatever. Then on the other hand is "you shouldn't have let it occur" On another hand your are breaking these folks down well before day one---then teaching them NOT to think for themselves, to learn to adhere to a code and to think like a unit On the other hand the individual should be smart enough. It just becomes exhausting to everyone even those indirectly involved. Plus lots of time folks will wanna drop but sometimes are influence by the line or even adp...dean whatever which prolongs them dropping. Or they hope they could just make it pass this brick to the head. SMH. So...yeah it's all hogwash in the end. Also, I feel bad for alot of these kids, because they are KIDS. They have a lot of life to learn. They just want to give their all to something, anything and anyone. Sigh... |
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Post by Robelite on May 27, 2010 13:03:20 GMT -5
You know what I find interesting.. In MOST fraternity cases its the PARENTS who snitch to the authorities not the guys... yet they still get labeled snitches because they NEEDED to go to hospital and 9xs /10 are still on their parent's health insurance.... I think the whole the person should quit after one day is some BS. What type of soft ass flake did you allow to get online that is not going to be able to take at least a COUPLE of days of heat... ...and that is EXACTLY what the ass-beaters would be squawkin' if they did quit. Following that, they'd talk about the one(s) who quit in their probate shows and some will get silly little jackets and give acknowledgement to those who didn't want to get their asses beat on the jacket...but oh no, the aspirant could have stopped all that. GMAMFB! |
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 27, 2010 13:13:24 GMT -5
You know what I find interesting.. In MOST fraternity cases its the PARENTS who snitch to the authorities not the guys... yet they still get labeled snitches because they NEEDED to go to hospital and 9xs /10 are still on their parent's health insurance.... I think the whole the person should quit after one day is some BS. What type of soft ass flake did you allow to get online that is not going to be able to take at least a COUPLE of days of heat... ...and that is EXACTLY what the ass-beaters would be squawkin' if they did quit. Following that, they'd talk about the one(s) who quit in their probate shows and some will get silly little jackets and give acknowledgement to those who didn't want to get their asses beat on the jacket...but oh no, the aspirant could have stopped all that. GMAMFB! ok.. you lost me .. Not sure if you are agreeing or not.. but it doesn't really matter.. What I'm saying is simple.. I'm a 19 yr/20 yr getting prepared to join something that I have wanted to do my WHOLE life. I know its going to be ROUGH... and yes I know Nationals MUST say that I can't do this that and the other but from the people I see everyday, the culture of campus, community etc.. is saying I DO. I see all these cats that went through it (thinking to self: I know if that one made it then I def can). I think I'm a pretty tough guy. I can take an asswhopping. I should be able to handle it ....right??? that's the normal thought process of most guys preparing to pledge/intake whatever... |
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Post by Robelite on May 27, 2010 13:28:20 GMT -5
I'll tell you exactly what I'm saying.....
It's easy to say that this young man (just like other young men and women before him) could have said "I quit," but we sure as hell all know that wouldn't have gone over very well with the group he was aspiring to, or the campus as he would have been ridiculed had he actually decided after day one, "to hell with this bullschit, I'm out." See my post above regarding the coming out and how he would have been mocked and joked. There is this culture today among our BGLOs that tells aspirants before anything else, you must be made "real," other wise we (the members of the prospective org) will not respect you and you will not be greeted as a brother/soror.
Like Cam said, the responsibility for bringing in new members rests with the members, not the aspirants. If the members can't do it right, or do their wrong right, then perhaps they need to stick with following the damned constitutions. I'll use our own Bro. Kilpatrick as an example, had he simply done what he (an elected and sworn in representative of municipal law) should have done, and remained within those boundaries, he wouldn't be looking at spending the next two years minimum behind bars.
If these pledge freaks/hazers/ass-beaters would simply follow THE LAW, they wouldn't be facing the prospect of standing before a judge because of a lawsuit brought about by one of their own because they beat his son to a pulp....all so they could call him, "frat."
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Post by frozenmenace on May 27, 2010 13:29:45 GMT -5
The responsibility for bringing in new members rests with the members and not the aspirants. No aspirant knows the process they will be taken through. What they DO know is that thousands of men and women have supposedly done EXACTLY what they are about to do and that it is supposed to be an experience. I have to disagree with you frat. The aspirants DO know what the process is because it is stated CLEARLY by most of our organizations. Alpha makes it clear what the established MIP entails. These are not children, they are adults legally. Especially in a situation where an aspirant's mother/father is a member of the org they are joining, they know what the process is. They make the decision to do the extra because they want to be "legit". Furthermore, as an adult, a person should have the capacity to know that getting hit with a bat, etc is a bit much. It may sound like I am blaming the victim, but it seems like common sense has gone out the window. Should the people who perpetrated the "crime" be held accountable? Yes. However, when it comes to joining a frat or sorority, people can only do to you what you allow them to do to you. If you don't make it clear what your limits are, then that is on you. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 27, 2010 13:32:26 GMT -5
Ok gotcha... I'll tell you exactly what I'm saying..... It's easy to say that this young man (just like other young men and women before him) could have said "I quit," but we sure as hell all know that wouldn't have gone over very well with the group he was aspiring to, or the campus as he would have been ridiculed had he actually decided after day one, "to hell with this bullschit, I'm out." See my post above regarding the coming out and how he would have been mocked and joked. There is this culture today among our BGLOs that tells aspirants before anything else, you must be made "real," other wise we (the members of the prospective org) will not respect you and you will not be greeted as a brother/soror. Like Cam said, the responsibility for bringing in new members rests with the members, not the aspirants. If the members can't do it right, or do their wrong right, then perhaps they need to stick with following the damned constitutions. I'll use our own Bro. Kilpatrick as an example, had he simply done what he (an elected and sworn in representative of municipal law) should have done, and remained within those boundaries, he wouldn't be looking at spending the next two years minimum behind bars. If these pledge freaks/hazers/ass-beaters would simply follow THE LAW, they wouldn't be facing the prospect of standing before a judge because of a lawsuit brought about by one of their own because they beat his son to a pulp....all so they could call him, "frat." |
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Post by FatalDST on May 27, 2010 13:51:26 GMT -5
I just want yawl to know I gotta Hematoma right now from running into a large plastic crate!
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 27, 2010 13:53:11 GMT -5
I just want yawl to know I gotta Hematoma right now from running into a large plastic crate! get yo money... Id be suing somebody.... I swear anytime I hear hematoma I think of lawsuits... |
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Post by Oldskool on May 27, 2010 14:01:17 GMT -5
I think he has been held accountable...he got an ass whooping for his stupidity. Now, the members are going to be held accountable. Game....set...MATCH!!! 2x |
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Post by frozenmenace on May 27, 2010 14:03:28 GMT -5
I just want yawl to know I gotta Hematoma right now from running into a large plastic crate! Make sure you sue! |
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Post by Iceman on May 27, 2010 14:29:37 GMT -5
Sigh. I’m just gonna keep it real. As much as it may make me seem like Public Enemy #1, I’m not down with aspirants just walking into the Frat. Never have been and won’t apologize for that. I’m down for pledging. But pledge smart and disciplined – Don’t pledge dumb. A Baseball Bat Fam??? Not sure why that would be in a set, what it would be used for, and what Dean or ADP would allow someone to use it. Crazy. Common sense has to kick in for both the member and the pledge at some point. A Baseball Bat?
In regards to his boy getting seriously injured, I have no doubt Pops is angry. But I got a hunch that Pops knows more than he is leading the media to believe. Pops been a member for 30 some years and I’m gonna take a stab and assume he pledged. But he is acting totally surprised that there is still physical activity going on during the process?? Okay, maybe if he’s been out the loop for a minute, he just heard the “We are a non-hazing organization” line and assumed it was adhered to by every single chapter in Greekdom these days. Maybe….but I don’t buy it.
I have no proof and maybe I’m reaching - But I’m guessing Pops knew his boy was getting down (he probably foot the bill since he still has receipts for proof), and had a good idea of what it would entail based on his own experiences. He just never guessed that a emergency trip to the hospital would be in the plans for his son (as it shouldn’t have been). But something tells me if the young man would have made it and crossed without going to the hospital, Pops wouldn’t sue due to finding out his boy was pledged to get in. Nah, I can see Pops being a happy camper and maybe even exchanging war stories with his son. I think he was cool with it..only until his son got hurt. Now he wants to sue.
But again, I have no proof of any of that.
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Post by urbanfashionista on May 27, 2010 14:35:53 GMT -5
And to add to what Cam said, Ive heard ALOT of folks say "they have my money" meaning initation fees, and they arent that willing to let that go by quitting, so some endure more than normal because of the money factor (so Ive heard in some situations)
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 27, 2010 14:54:37 GMT -5
Sigh. I’m just gonna keep it real. As much as it may make me seem like Public Enemy #1, I’m not down with aspirants just walking into the Frat. Never have been and won’t apologize for that. I’m down for pledging. But pledge smart and disciplined – Don’t pledge dumb. It doesn't make you an enemy but on the flip side a person who says, Hey I'm willing to submit and even be roughed up to get in but I do expect to have all my limbs and life intact at the completion, an idiot either... |
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Post by Iceman on May 27, 2010 15:09:29 GMT -5
Sigh. I’m just gonna keep it real. As much as it may make me seem like Public Enemy #1, I’m not down with aspirants just walking into the Frat. Never have been and won’t apologize for that. I’m down for pledging. But pledge smart and disciplined – Don’t pledge dumb. It doesn't make you an enemy but on the flip side a person who says, Hey I'm willing to submit and even be roughed up to get in but I do expect to have all my limbs and life intact at the completion, an idiot either... I never said a person with that outlook would be an idiot. That's a reasonable expectation to have - I had the same expectation going into it myself. |
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Post by FatalDST on May 27, 2010 15:23:39 GMT -5
And to add to what Cam said, Ive heard ALOT of folks say "they have my money" meaning initation fees, and they arent that willing to let that go by quitting, so some endure more than normal because of the money factor (so Ive heard in some situations) it aint like its non-refundable... maybe! LOL |
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Post by ReignMan19 on May 27, 2010 15:24:58 GMT -5
It doesn't make you an enemy but on the flip side a person who says, Hey I'm willing to submit and even be roughed up to get in but I do expect to have all my limbs and life intact at the completion, an idiot either... I never said a person with that outlook would be an idiot. That's a reasonable expectation to have - I had the same expectation going into it myself. Wasn't directed to you.. I kind of figured you would agree lol |
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Post by peppermint on May 27, 2010 15:28:22 GMT -5
And to add to what Cam said, Ive heard ALOT of folks say "they have my money" meaning initation fees, and they arent that willing to let that go by quitting, so some endure more than normal because of the money factor (so Ive heard in some situations) it aint like its non-refundable... maybe! LOL You know, I'm sitting here thinking a refund policy will start in the near future. Didn't want to "speak it" into existence so I just typed it lol |
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Post by FatalDST on May 27, 2010 15:37:13 GMT -5
LMAO... actually I think we do have one, but its like a percentage after so long, kinda how they do in college
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Post by urbanfashionista on May 27, 2010 15:51:25 GMT -5
word! I honestly think a lot more folks would "drop" if they could get their money back.
But my question is (and Im sure its been asked before), at what point does the "line" say hold up, we arent really trying to go for this, especially baseball bats, why is it always ONE whistleblower? Where is the line, where was the discussion with the line when folks went to the hospital? Even if you feel like you can "man" up and take whatever comes, do you not feel any type of way when your "lb/ls" is in the hospital? When you are going through a process (membership related) its ALWAYS "US" against "THEM" you are not "THEM" yet so your loyalties typically lie with (or should lie with those who are in the same boat), my linesisters were my linesisters before my pros were my sorority sisters.. (on some real ish)
Thats the part I never understood in these situations..
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Post by Julie Art on May 27, 2010 16:01:57 GMT -5
I call BS cause I bet you 9 times out of 10 his father told him about the get down. And I'm pretty sure the son had some idea because his dad has been an Omega for 30 yrs and it isn't like he hasn't heard his dad stories at some point. Come on now. As I said before, hella suspect. The responsibility for bringing in new members rests with the members and not the aspirants. No aspirant knows the process they will be taken through. What they DO know is that thousands of men and women have supposedly done EXACTLY what they are about to do and that it is supposed to be an experience. |
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Post by Catch-A-KAse on May 27, 2010 16:18:34 GMT -5
Daddy 'bout to get that Omega check.
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Post by FatalDST on May 27, 2010 16:22:17 GMT -5
word! I honestly think a lot more folks would "drop" if they could get their money back. But my question is (and Im sure its been asked before), at what point does the "line" say hold up, we arent really trying to go for this Never! I promise you it gone always be 1 or 2 that will do whatever it takes to cross short of getting killed... when the possibility of the whole line getting dropped, thats where the line gets draws! LOL Its not longer "us"! |
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Post by FatalDST on May 27, 2010 16:23:09 GMT -5
Daddy 'bout to get that Omega check. aint that something.. ironic since he aint gave Omega a check damn near since he crossed!  |
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