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Post by Oldskool on May 18, 2010 16:24:06 GMT -5
I'm guilty....remember that fight I had with Vp?
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Post by DamieQue™ on May 18, 2010 16:28:08 GMT -5
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Post by Southie on May 18, 2010 16:42:36 GMT -5
My raised eyebrow situations
Intake/Lines with 100+ members
"Hello I am a member" after Retreat
The "I look good" in any color! (yes members of my org)...this received more than a raised eyebrow
Toll House cookies (this was just funny and will always be remembered) semi-raised eyebrow
Any deaths while pursuing membership (gets more than a raised eyebrow)
Thats it for right now.
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Post by Southie on May 18, 2010 16:43:42 GMT -5
I'm guilty....remember that fight I had with Vp? Oh, yes! Very interesting moment indeed! |
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Post by Oldskool on May 18, 2010 17:22:25 GMT -5
I'm guilty....remember that fight I had with Vp?  Never too old to learn...aren't you proud of me? |
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Post by Oldskool on May 18, 2010 17:26:07 GMT -5
I'm guilty....remember that fight I had with Vp? Oh, yes! Very interesting moment indeed! *showers southie with 1,920 blue roses and 3 white doves.* |
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Post by adisa on May 18, 2010 17:36:48 GMT -5
Do you tend to view every other organization through the prism of your own organization? Do you feel that you judge them when you do? Do you believe it's appropriate to do? YES Judge as in have an opinion, YES. Judge as in condemn, NOT necessarily. YES, why wouldn't it be appropriate? |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 18, 2010 20:49:55 GMT -5
All Greeks are the same to me.
This is why the stereotypes never really made sense to me. Anytime I went to an event with a bunch of Greeks, I could see every stereotype about one group in another group. I could easily picture a guy who was in JKL with an BCD shirt on. The same thing went on with the sororities. At that point I realized how diverse our groups were. I also realized that we choose our organizations not for what they stand for, but for how we see ourselves standing for that particular organzation.
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Post by Cambist on May 19, 2010 7:30:18 GMT -5
Dear OOA Family,
Would anyone care to name the specific org and on what issue they made a judgement? This conversation is getting sterile and soooooo un-OO like.
Thanks in advance,
CamelToFoot
Original OOA
Original OO
StopHazing 3/05
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 19, 2010 8:34:27 GMT -5
Provoking you? lol Your age saved you lets just say that.. moving on
I'll have a conversation or three about the different orgs but the differences is what makes us who we are and I wouldn't want them changed. Like I may joke about the Alpha's doing cheer routines from Bring it On but at the end of the day the differences are still championed. I would say I'm harder on the bruh (well use to be) differences than outside. I more relaxed now.
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Post by Iceman on May 19, 2010 8:40:30 GMT -5
I think in some form or fashion, we’ve all been guilty of this.
Just speaking in reference to the men - There are 5 male Orgs in the D9. Now at some point or another, I’m sure the majority of male members of each respective Org has judged other Orgs in terms of how they compare to their own. If “Judged” is too strong of word, lets say that at some point we have all sized each other up (pause)– not in the sense of “They are the enemy!”, but more so in a friendly sort of competitive manner.
You’re generally not going to find a D9 member who doesn’t feel that his Org isn’t the best. But with that sense of genuine love or pride, at some point, whether knowingly or sub consciously, you have justified in your own mind the reasons why your Org is the best. To do this, you had to have contrasted and compared (or sized up) your Org to the others in the D9. As a matter of fact, even when we were pursuing, we all formed opinions early on about each Org which ultimately helped shape or form our final decision. So although it may not be in the negative sense, I think we all have judged at some point.
However, I can truly say that I’ve never really judged in the sense of looking down on or condemning another Org as a whole (especially concerning the actions of one or a few members). Each Org is different for a reason and does what they do for a reason. So, in that respect, my mantra has always been “Not My Frat – Not My Business”.
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Post by DamieQue™ on May 19, 2010 10:58:40 GMT -5
Damie judges... oh yes Damie judges. He may hold his tongue from time to time (actually more often than not) but he judges - and denying this character flaw doesn't mean it doesn't exist. He just tries to engage in it less (or at least keep his peace if he can't help from thinking it)
When one of the SG Rhos posted a picture of beastly Bruh and was clowning him, my first thoughts were, "ok but - YOU - are an SG Rho. Do you really want to go here?"
Was that comment rooted in an untrue and unfair stereotype? Yep. Was it @#$%@# up? Yep. Did I say it? Only just now but not in the thread but I certainly thought it, and thinking is half the battle.
On the old OO, when a discussion about history took place, and I was actually challenged by an Alpha about my own Fraternal history, with the claim that he had our history book and didn't read what was clearly there, I literally laughed out loud in my office (for several reasons). My thought, "why are Alphas so pressed about everyone else's history"?
Is every Alpha or even most Alphas pressed about other's history? Nope. Aren't most of them more concerned with their own frat legacy than others? Undoubtedly. Did I still think what I thought? Absolutely. And I am unable to say that it was anything other than a judgement.
And it works in reverse too. There are plenty of times when I have felt that people in other orgs have judged us for being exclusive, and I'm sitting there thinking, "Do you all take EVERYONE who wants to be a part of you? Then how the hell aren't you exclusive too?"
I got lot's of other examples but since I'm the only one naming names - I'll pause here
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Post by Chal™ on May 19, 2010 11:01:51 GMT -5
well, considering how a few judged the Omega in the unity stroll thread......
yea
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Post by DamieQue™ on May 19, 2010 11:14:27 GMT -5
well, considering how a few judged the Omega in the unity stroll thread...... yea
p.s. Cam I think this fulfills our monthly quota
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Post by Chal™ on May 19, 2010 11:25:51 GMT -5
well, considering how a few judged the Omega in the unity stroll thread...... yea
p.s. Cam I think this fulfills our monthly quotaPost # 12345 kewl |
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Post by Southie on May 19, 2010 11:39:09 GMT -5
Dear OOA Family,
Would anyone care to name the specific org and on what issue they made a judgement? This conversation is getting sterile and soooooo un-OO like.
Thanks in advance,
CamelToFoot
Original OOA
Original OO
StopHazing 3/05 <<<wonders if this were posted on G9, how the responses would be different. |
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Post by Southie on May 19, 2010 11:42:04 GMT -5
<<wonders if Nupey was on this site, how the thread would be different.
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Post by Southie on May 19, 2010 11:47:19 GMT -5
In the good old days of OO, their was a lot of judging, stereotyping, and whatever else.
Folks arguing over his/her story
You had the battles of the AKA's vs. Delta's
Pledge vs Paper vs. cardboard!
The list goes on!
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 19, 2010 12:00:49 GMT -5
^^^ That's not judging an entire org though. Those are sub arguments which can exist within an org having a life of its own.
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Post by Cambist on May 19, 2010 12:03:51 GMT -5
well, considering how a few judged the Omega in the unity stroll thread...... yea
p.s. Cam I think this fulfills our monthly quota
post #12345Everyone else was saying how the Omega was: 1) funny, 2) unique, 3) "doing his own thing", 4) holding down tradition, etc... they were pointing out how his actions were different from the others and how it made them feel. So why was my observation that he looked like a buffoon any different? Was it a judgement? Maybe. I don't make a judgement about him personally other than that he decided to do his own thing. Do I think he is retarded or a buffoon? No. Did he look like one? Yep. So it depends on how you define a judgement. If people consider it a judgement...**shrugs** ok. I consider(ed) it an opinion. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on May 19, 2010 12:34:44 GMT -5
Another good example. [Cam Bait Font] We all know that Ques don't do clap patterns... why make a big deal out of something we already know? It's not just that individual, generally speaking we don't. So what is the point of the observation? [/Cam Bait Font]
p.s. Cam I think this fulfills our monthly quota
post #12345 Everyone else was saying how the Omega was: 1) funny, 2) unique, 3) "doing his own thing", 4) holding down tradition, etc... they were pointing out how his actions were different from the others and how it made them feel. So why was my observation that he looked like a buffoon any different? |
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Post by Cambist on May 19, 2010 12:44:20 GMT -5
True, it didn't have the same pop.
Thank you for reminding me...yeah, not buffoon but "hot garbage retarded mess"....maybe that was a bit over the top but it's what I thought at the time.
Every male on my floor wears a tie to work. Not the same color, not the same type (I wear bow ties). So i'm a bit different in that respect. If someone wore a Razorback tie or decided to wear a Razorback sweatervest over their shirt and tie one day, he might get a funny look but that would be about it. That's being unique.
What he was doing, while obviously accepted by his peers, just didn't fit. Even the chick with the cane was doing her own thing...within the structure of the group performance.
If it's a judgement then fine...it's a judgement on his choice of behavior. **shrugs**
I like buffoon better....
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 21, 2010 22:58:51 GMT -5
True, it didn't have the same pop. Thank you for reminding me...yeah, not buffoon but "hot garbage retarded mess"....maybe that was a bit over the top but it's what I thought at the time. Every male on my floor wears a tie to work. Not the same color, not the same type (I wear bow ties). So i'm a bit different in that respect. If someone wore a Razorback tie or decided to wear a Razorback sweatervest over their shirt and tie one day, he might get a funny look but that would be about it. That's being unique. What he was doing, while obviously accepted by his peers, just didn't fit. Even the chick with the cane was doing her own thing...within the structure of the group performance. If it's a judgement then fine...it's a judgement on his choice of behavior. **shrugs** I like buffoon better.... ;D |
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Post by happy1 on May 22, 2010 5:50:08 GMT -5
All Greeks are the same to me. This is why the stereotypes never really made sense to me. Anytime I went to an event with a bunch of Greeks, I could see every stereotype about one group in another group. I could easily picture a guy who was in JKL with an BCD shirt on. The same thing went on with the sororities. At that point I realized how diverse our groups were. I also realized that we choose our organizations not for what they stand for, but for how we see ourselves standing for that particular organzation. @southie - Nupey is here. Check how "APIL" says states "we choose OUR organizations". This is Nupey. Trust me LOL  |
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Post by **Dea** on May 22, 2010 7:34:56 GMT -5
so i had a very long post and my computer just randomly closed all windows and erased it.....i guess it wasn't meant for me to say.
So I will just say, YES, I do and I will continue to do so. From inside my own org (inside my affiliation and out) to greeks to aux to supposed social action groups (black panthers etc) to groups of government.
I am very judgemental....Like Damie.
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on May 22, 2010 8:58:50 GMT -5
All Greeks are the same to me. This is why the stereotypes never really made sense to me. Anytime I went to an event with a bunch of Greeks, I could see every stereotype about one group in another group. I could easily picture a guy who was in JKL with an BCD shirt on. The same thing went on with the sororities. At that point I realized how diverse our groups were. I also realized that we choose our organizations not for what they stand for, but for how we see ourselves standing for that particular organzation. @southie - Nupey is here. Check how "APIL" says states "we choose OUR organizations". This is Nupey. Trust me LOL We trust you, dude. We all know that anything that I say sounds like Nupey. Only Nupey would do this, only Nupey would do that, only Nupey would be able to blah blah yadda yadda... |
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Post by nsync on May 24, 2010 18:55:15 GMT -5
So for those who admit to judging do you also judge(d) potential mates based on the org they are/ were in? For example: Dating an XYZ looks better than dating a KRS?
Where does the judging stop....................?
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Post by Chal™ on May 24, 2010 19:00:07 GMT -5
yes
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Post by Chal™ on May 24, 2010 19:00:34 GMT -5
but only the ones who were on my campuses. not the entire org as a whole
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Post by nsync on May 24, 2010 21:06:02 GMT -5
Yeah I've suspected this goes on. How unfortunate...
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