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Post by Noble Work on May 17, 2010 12:57:34 GMT -5
I don't know if this been discussed in the past...prolly have though.
Do you think that if we AA's were forced to depend on each other our communities/family would be in a much better shape? What if we HAD to depend on each other what would be the state of our community, our thinking, our actions and reactions to certain things?
PS. Have any of you heard (AA's) anyone say "integration was a bad idea"?
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Post by DamieQue™ on May 17, 2010 13:02:24 GMT -5
Not sure how to answer your question Lev. On one hand by keeping things separate (like schools) they could effectively maintain a process where black kids would perpetually be fed sub-standard teaching and education.
From an entrepeneurial stand point, I do kind of wish that we had continued to patron our own. To my mind's eye it is not a bigoted comment insomuchas just about every other demographic does the same - and to their benefit.
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Post by peppermint on May 17, 2010 13:12:54 GMT -5
entrepeneurial stand point, I do kind of wish that we had continued to patron our own. To my mind's eye it is not a bigoted comment insomuchas just about every other demographic does the same - and to their benefit. Honestly, many black people tend to look down on black businesses. This is not totally due to no fault of the business owners. Do you think other communities have the same perception of their same-ethnic/racially owned businesses? |
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Post by DamieQue™ on May 17, 2010 13:15:43 GMT -5
entrepeneurial stand point, I do kind of wish that we had continued to patron our own. To my mind's eye it is not a bigoted comment insomuchas just about every other demographic does the same - and to their benefit. Honestly, many black people tend to look down on black businesses. This is not totally due to no fault of the business owners. Do you think other communities have the same perception of their same-ethnic/racially owned businesses? |
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Post by Noble Work on May 17, 2010 13:22:02 GMT -5
That's part of what I'm asking. Why should others teach us? Why can't we teach/learn amongst our own? In our middle years in school we all learned "some" black history. Martin and Rosa..ect. but in most black communities we learned that there were more "heroes and she-roes" than what was taught to us at the school house.
Let me change it.....IF we had continued "our" tradition (s) would we respect each other more? Long ago we feed each other, we taught each other, we prayed together...it just seemed like we actually gave a damn about each other and our children.
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Post by T-Rex91 on May 17, 2010 13:42:46 GMT -5
Integration was a bad thing in a lot of ways. My friends with kids in highly integrated schools have kids that come home trying that free wheelin no discipline ish that their majority counterparts get away with. They have kids that smoke. They complain that their children haven't brought home Black boyfriends or girlfriends. None of this was an issue when our friends' parents were like our parents and we were all in the same community.
As for community, I think it goes back to the ongoing discussion about free trade. We go to the vendor that gives us what we want. My Dad is a small business owner and many of his clients can very well afford to patronize much larger and opulent practices. He thrives because he gives them the best service, not because he's the neighborhood vet in walking proximity. If more Black businesses paid attention to the service they provide, many of us would patronize them over the long drives to other vendors.
On the upside, integration has opened up a whole new world to many. Perceptions on what was possible expanded once we could see past our own neighborhoods. Kids have made friends with people who later in life are in a position to really give them a leg up. Some of us have greatly honed our networking skills and prospered because of it.
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Post by Noble Work on May 17, 2010 13:49:39 GMT -5
A lot of the "other" communities are citizen (ship) of the US so they are entitled to it's right's and benefits. They are entitled to it's privileges and subjected to it's laws also but they still choose to hold on to their customs, traditions, heritage etc... So technically Govn't has no legal boundaries to not forward them "equal rights"
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Post by Robelite on May 17, 2010 14:30:19 GMT -5
I've heard many argue against it, and after hearing their explanations, I can understand.
Most will tell you that the bottom line was that WE lost our sense of "community" when we integrated. Many will also tell you that integration was the start of the decline of black businesses and entreprenuership. As long as we could only go to the black restaurants, be treated by black doctors, shop with black businesses, we were GUARANTEED a regular and vibrant clientele.
The minute they let us start shopping at the malls, our own businesses were shut out.
There have been positive and negative effects.
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Post by Southie on May 17, 2010 16:11:09 GMT -5
I don't know if this been discussed in the past...prolly have though. Do you think that if we AA's were forced to depend on each other our communities/family would be in a much better shape? What if we HAD to depend on each other what would be the state of our community, our thinking, our actions and reactions to certain things?PS. Have any of you heard (AA's) anyone say "integration was a bad idea"? I don't think it was a bad idea, however the focus got lost somewhere in translation. |
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Post by Noble Work on May 17, 2010 16:39:54 GMT -5
I've heard many argue against it, and after hearing their explanations, I can understand. Most will tell you that the bottom line was that WE lost our sense of "community" when we integrated. Many will also tell you that integration was the start of the decline of black businesses and entreprenuership. As long as we could only go to the black restaurants, be treated by black doctors, shop with black businesses, we were GUARANTEED a regular and vibrant clientele. The minute they let us start shopping at the malls, our own businesses were shut out. There have been positive and negative effects. @robe you are so right about this. The only thing I respectfully disagree with (and I know what you are saying) is "Let us shop..." Even though we had the "option" to shop in these places, did we really have to? Our communities suffered, Black owned______ began to crumble. Then came the drugs. Great point bruh.  @southie do you think some of us got greedy or developed this "the grass is greener..." mentality? Do you think some saw fit to thrive beyond their own community? Or maybe it's possible that the focus was replaced by "their" sense of community and what it "should" be which clipped and burned our roots? I can see how a community shut down would break the entrepreneurial spirit though. |
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Post by Southie on May 17, 2010 16:51:32 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with looking for opportunities that will make for a better life. Unfortunately, you have some people that took the stance of: "I have arrived" and forget about the rest" attitude. This is part of the reason that I said something got lost in translation.
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Post by Noble Work on May 17, 2010 17:11:33 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with looking for opportunities that will make for a better life. Unfortunately, you have some people that took the stance of: "I have arrived" and forget about the rest" attitude. This is part of the reason that I said something got lost in translation. You right but did it make a better life? The same things we learned, acquired, achieved outside the community we could of done the same inside our own community.... will you agree? |
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Post by Noble Work on May 17, 2010 17:23:32 GMT -5
@91 are you saying that just because he's black, that's not THE reason they patronize his business? Rather, his services are great and happens to be in the community.
I believe this very thing ^^^was once thriving in our communities before integration. People appreciated the business and in turn the business appreciated being apart of the community. I believe "service" was a big deal and it meant something to us a time ago. It wasn't this "ninja you beneath me" tip that we got going on now.
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Post by Southie on May 17, 2010 17:33:44 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with looking for opportunities that will make for a better life. Unfortunately, you have some people that took the stance of: "I have arrived" and forget about the rest" attitude. This is part of the reason that I said something got lost in translation. You right but did it make a better life? The same things we learned, acquired, achieved outside the community we could of done the same inside our own community.... will you agree? I don't think it made for a horrible life. I think their were some people that wanted a chance to see the world from a different perspective. Maybe the thinking was not to be isolated. |
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