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Post by PHIRECHYLD on Apr 21, 2010 16:52:07 GMT -5
www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-hazing_20met.ART0.State.Edition1.4c54d6b.htmlInteresting points: -Prairie View's report found that the Delta Theta chapter began pledge activities earlier than permitted, and without university approval or the presence of a university-recognized adviser, exposing students to "unreasonable risk or harm." -Because of those violations, Prairie View said the Delta Theta chapter has been disbanded until December 2013, and its current members declared "not in good standing" with the university. The members can't represent the university community in any activity and can't participate in any recognized student or academic organization until that sanction is lifted. -Kelley, the Wade family's attorney, said fraternity members told investigators that some in Delta Theta "were more concerned with, in their words, avoiding a 'paper line' of non-hazed members than they were in the safety of their prospective initiates." Thoughts?
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 21, 2010 16:58:03 GMT -5
The article said those fools went and participated in a step show at Texas A&M a MONTH after the whole incidient, and while they were on probation and being invesitigated!
I mean, seriously how dumb can you be? They deserve whatever comes their way.
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Post by thatque on Apr 21, 2010 17:23:00 GMT -5
 WOW!
All jokes aside, this is a shame & for the record my Pastor is a Sigma from nearby Texas College & he always got "OMEGA" jokes boy I can't wait until Bible Study starts tonight! - THEN LET THE JOKES BEGIN! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Oldskool on Apr 21, 2010 18:25:07 GMT -5
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Post by Kyng of JDs on Apr 21, 2010 19:08:37 GMT -5
"avoiding a 'paper line' of non-hazed members than they were in the safety of their prospective initiates" I hope it was worth 97 million.
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Apr 21, 2010 19:21:36 GMT -5
I agree. I just do not see how some people can be so insensitive and childish. Why do black people have to tear one another down in order to feel good about themselves? I think that too many young black people enter GLOs for all of the wrong reasons. Thatque seems to be no different. Shame on you, man! |
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Post by Oldskool on Apr 21, 2010 19:47:17 GMT -5
wait....did I read this right? Did APIL say something of substance? It's a new day. He must have heard about the gunline....
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Apr 21, 2010 20:46:42 GMT -5
wait....did I read this right? Did APIL say something of substance? It's a new day. He must have heard about the gunline.... I like to joke around, but this is a situation where a life was lost. Life is precious and should be respected and cherished. No parent expects to send their child off to college only to see him/her die. It is important to remember that this young man's family is still suffering. Is pledging that bad, as to where people have to die? |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Apr 21, 2010 22:58:54 GMT -5
WOW!
All jokes aside, this is a shame & for the record my Pastor is a Sigma from nearby Texas College & he always got "OMEGA" jokes boy I can't wait until Bible Study starts tonight! - THEN LET THE JOKES BEGIN! ;D ;D ;D ;D Do you know the story behind this? There is nothing funny about it. |
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Post by Troopa1911 on Apr 22, 2010 7:32:21 GMT -5
The Made vs. Paper has gotten someone killed. These are some stupid a$$ kids, and there are some stupid adults around pushing the theory as well.
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Post by icebraka on Apr 22, 2010 8:39:44 GMT -5
I think that chapter needs to be dissolved. Why do they get to come back in 13?
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Post by T-Rex91 on Apr 22, 2010 8:51:40 GMT -5
Hmmmm. I'm very sorry the dude died but his medical condition (presumeably unknown to him or the chapter members) caused his death. He could have just as easily been doing drills on the football team and the same thing happened. I'm not excusing the hazing activities but I'm saying the pledges have as much responsibility for engaging as the chapter members. But it seems only the chapter members are being punished. It's a horrible way to learn the lesson but pledges have to start making better choices. Greeks can only haze those who allow themselves to be hazed.
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Post by Cambist on Apr 22, 2010 9:14:35 GMT -5
I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one, 91. The pledges do not have an equal amout of responsibility in incidents of hazing. The only reason I would come close to saying that the pledge has as much responsibility as the member is if the member is if the member laid out, in writing, all ritual, intake procedure, etc...and said, "This is what you are going to experience...any objections?"
Of course this doesn't happen. So the member, in executing the duty of intaking new members, is responsible for carrying out the process in a manner that is in line with the rules of the organization and the laws of our society.
The pledge has a responsibility up to the degree of their involvement. They are denied memberships and they conspired with members to defraud the organization. But remember...again...they are not members of the organization....so at most...their punishment is getting kicked out of school and barred from becoming members of the fraternity/sorority.
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Post by icebraka on Apr 22, 2010 9:24:49 GMT -5
And we are talking about children. College or not we were not the most mature people back then. Does "Thicky Manaj" ring a bell?
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 22, 2010 9:57:00 GMT -5
And we are talking about children. College or not we were not the most mature people back then. Does " Thicky Manaj" ring a bell? ::DEAD:: That is how she will be referred to by me from now on on this board! And '91, I do agree with you to an extent, but where I fault this chapter is how they handled it when the guy started showing physical issues and how they just left him at the hospital. They didn't handle the issue well at all. THEN they went and participated in a step show at a nearby school a MONTH later. Come on dude  |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 22, 2010 10:08:55 GMT -5
I think everyone who has posted thus far are in someways guilty of not properly reading the article. I think thatque only read what was posted in the thread and not the link. What is posted in this thread doesn't show that a death occurred. Furthermore PVAM snatched they're charter. If anyone clearly reads it states PBS can organize a new chapter which will be on probation for a year in 2014. That means that chapter and charter are gone forever.
Now this shows piss poor preparation on a multitude of levels. Every pledgee should get a copy of their medical record from the infirmary. I mean it should be just as important as your transcript. The Dean's job is to protect his line and effectively communicate with the pledgees. He needs to know everything. If not he has to take the fall.
Now here is the flip side... Nobody is stupid and everyone knows what you have to do joining our organizations. So ignorance as a defense can be thrown out of the window. By the time a person has reached getting online they have probably seen atleast 10-12 coming out shows. They have seen the climate. They have heard the rumors and the hearsay. So again claiming the young man didn't know what was in store is a reach. Furthermore was the young man aware of his medical condition? If so did he withhold this information out of fear that he would have been passed over? I mean we can be politically correct here but these are the type of questions that need to be asked.
It was wrong on both sides. The issue is clearly the young man had a preexisting condition. Now we must find out did the fraternity members know and decided to move forward anyway without using proper caution OR did the young man withhold this information fearful he wouldn't be selected and ultimately lost his life because of it.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 22, 2010 10:21:51 GMT -5
Here is a portion of the lawsuit from the parents..
"The family's wrongful death lawsuit alleges that Wade was deprived of fluids while undergoing the intense exercise session that included running bleachers, holding his legs 6 inches off the ground, and doing pushups and jumping jacks."
Now the medical examiner stated the young man died from AER. The workout happened early in the morning. They need to get a new lawyer quickly because if they are stating this was caused soley from water deprivation.... the lawsuit will get tossed. The young man had a syndrome that is still be studied right now. If the medical examiner also states he was properly hydrated.... the lawsuit will be tossed. If they want money they need to go on the angle of hazing and hazing alone. Though if you ask me exercise isn't hazing in my estimation. Gotta have your pledgee's in shape if the process will get physical.
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 22, 2010 10:51:03 GMT -5
LOL! Well, the basis behind the story is that this young man died due to a pre-existing condition that was exerted when he was doing physical exercise while pledging for this particular chapter of Phi Beta Sigma. Because of this, plus the fact that the university told the chapter to suspend all membership activites while being investigated but yet and still they went and participated in stepshow at a nearby school, the chapter has been dissolved until 2013 in which another chapter can be re-charted, but will be on probation until 2014. |
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Post by thatque on Apr 22, 2010 10:55:53 GMT -5
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Post by 123Diva on Apr 22, 2010 10:59:22 GMT -5
*wonders if THATQUE'S angry face smiley button is stuck too*
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Post by thatque on Apr 22, 2010 11:32:46 GMT -5
I think everyone who has posted thus far are in someways guilty of not properly reading the article. I think thatque only read what was posted in the thread and not the link. What is posted in this thread doesn't show that a death occurred. Furthermore PVAM snatched they're charter. If anyone clearly reads it states PBS can organize a new chapter which will be on probation for a year in 2014. That means that chapter and charter are gone forever. Now this shows piss poor preparation on a multitude of levels. Every pledgee should get a copy of their medical record from the infirmary. I mean it should be just as important as your transcript. The Dean's job is to protect his line and effectively communicate with the pledgees. He needs to know everything. If not he has to take the fall. Now here is the flip side... Nobody is stupid and everyone knows what you have to do joining our organizations. So ignorance as a defense can be thrown out of the window. By the time a person has reached getting online they have probably seen atleast 10-12 coming out shows. They have seen the climate. They have heard the rumors and the hearsay. So again claiming the young man didn't know what was in store is a reach. Furthermore was the young man aware of his medical condition? If so did he withhold this information out of fear that he would have been passed over? I mean we can be politically correct here but these are the type of questions that need to be asked. It was wrong on both sides. The issue is clearly the young man had a preexisting condition. Now we must find out did the fraternity members know and decided to move forward anyway without using proper caution OR did the young man withhold this information fearful he wouldn't be selected and ultimately lost his life because of it. |
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Post by thatque on Apr 22, 2010 11:37:28 GMT -5
*wonders if THATQUE'S angry face smiley button is stuck too*
and I fixed my CAPS LOCK issue also! |
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Post by 123Diva on Apr 22, 2010 11:48:30 GMT -5
*wonders if THATQUE'S angry face smiley button is stuck too*
and I fixed my CAPS LOCK issue also! LOL...Fabulous! |
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Post by thatque on Apr 22, 2010 12:18:26 GMT -5
;D ;D No it's not! ;D ;D
and I fixed my CAPS LOCK issue also! LOL...Fabulous!  ;D Why yes it is Fabulous & Fantastic also! ;D |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 23, 2010 10:20:59 GMT -5
I think everyone who has posted thus far are in someways guilty of not properly reading the article. I think thatque only read what was posted in the thread and not the link. What is posted in this thread doesn't show that a death occurred. Furthermore PVAM snatched they're charter. If anyone clearly reads it states PBS can organize a new chapter which will be on probation for a year in 2014. That means that chapter and charter are gone forever. Now this shows piss poor preparation on a multitude of levels. Every pledgee should get a copy of their medical record from the infirmary. I mean it should be just as important as your transcript. The Dean's job is to protect his line and effectively communicate with the pledgees. He needs to know everything. If not he has to take the fall. Now here is the flip side... Nobody is stupid and everyone knows what you have to do joining our organizations. So ignorance as a defense can be thrown out of the window. By the time a person has reached getting online they have probably seen atleast 10-12 coming out shows. They have seen the climate. They have heard the rumors and the hearsay. So again claiming the young man didn't know what was in store is a reach. Furthermore was the young man aware of his medical condition? If so did he withhold this information out of fear that he would have been passed over? I mean we can be politically correct here but these are the type of questions that need to be asked. It was wrong on both sides. The issue is clearly the young man had a preexisting condition. Now we must find out did the fraternity members know and decided to move forward anyway without using proper caution OR did the young man withhold this information fearful he wouldn't be selected and ultimately lost his life because of it. Not a problem Team |
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