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Post by DamieQue™ on Apr 15, 2010 14:51:27 GMT -5
It's bad enough that we have stereotypes... but what are you all's feeling on organizations that cater to another org's stereotype?
Theoretical Examples:
If there was a Delta Chapter that emphasized "long hair and light skin" or a Kappa chapter that emphasized (for lack of a better description) "being wild and crazy". Does this say anything about these particular chapters? Also might this attract people, who the organization is ultimately unable to retain, when they realize the rest of the org just isn't like this chapter?
Stereotypes aside, if you found out that your chapter was an anomaly within your organization, that what you did at your chapter was generally not done elsewhere, would you feel some kind of way about it?
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Post by icebraka on Apr 15, 2010 15:05:01 GMT -5
It's bad enough that we have stereotypes... but what are you all's feeling on organizations that cater to another org's stereotype?
Theoretical Examples:
If there was a Delta Chapter that emphasized "long hair and light skin" or a Kappa chapter that emphasized (for lack of a better description) "being wild and crazy". Does this say anything about these particular chapters? Also might this attract people, who the organization is ultimately unable to retain, when they realize the rest of the org just isn't like this chapter?
Stereotypes aside, if you found out that your chapter was an anomaly within your organization, that what you did at your chapter was generally not done elsewhere, would you feel some kind of way about it? I don't care. I know I'm pretty. If others feel that they are then that's their business even though they are not as pretty as me. <-------Dameez was that snobish enough?  |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Apr 15, 2010 16:13:40 GMT -5
It's bad enough that we have stereotypes... but what are you all's feeling on organizations that cater to another org's stereotype?
Theoretical Examples:
If there was a Delta Chapter that emphasized "long hair and light skin" or a Kappa chapter that emphasized (for lack of a better description) "being wild and crazy". Does this say anything about these particular chapters? Also might this attract people, who the organization is ultimately unable to retain, when they realize the rest of the org just isn't like this chapter?
Stereotypes aside, if you found out that your chapter was an anomaly within your organization, that what you did at your chapter was generally not done elsewhere, would you feel some kind of way about it? I don't care. I know I'm pretty. If others feel that they are then that's their business even though they are not as pretty as me. <-------Dameez was that snobish enough?  |
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Post by thatque on Apr 15, 2010 18:56:49 GMT -5
Hey Team unfortunately this is true because I have seen & met several people in different chapter for almost all of the BGLO's & YES we all have our Sterotypes (Good & Bad) but these people was so far off the mark it was absolutely FUNNY!
for example at the 2004 Clave in St. Louis, I met a Bruh who was all of 5 feet tall & weighed less than 150 Lbs. but of course it probably was the most OWT young Bruh there because he ran around everywhere with this NFL Kickers Helmet on (one bar facemask) with this "Crash Dummy" shirt on (Like in the car commericals) but I bet you if you met him when he wasn't with the Bruhz you would NEVER believe that he was a Que!
Also back in 1990 or 1991 (Before I crossed) I met these Bruhz from Texas Sothern University & they was Basketball Players they were both seem like they was 7 Feet tall & SUPER Skinny plus they was Light Skin & I couldn't believe that they was Ques!
But again YES we have Sterotypes that are not reflective of the overall preception and/or views of what a Que is or should be (Can be)
PLUS I WOULD RATHER USE "US" FOR EXAMPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME THIN-SKIN SENSATIVE PEOPLE ON OO THAT ARE IN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, SO I DON'T WANT TO START NO MESS! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by T-Rex91 on Apr 16, 2010 8:02:50 GMT -5
You will always have people who don't conform to the stereotype in each org on an individual basis. That's not an alarm. An entire chapter that's trying to distance themselves from who they are and emulate another org? Sounds like their org is weak and can't attract prospects so they're trying to "be" the more popular org on that yard. The fact that the chapter is trying to be fake <XYZ> would definitely make me give them the side eye.
If you're that uncomfortable with who your org is, why pledge at all? If you base your opinion of the overall org just based on that one yard, you're stupid. I tell kids all the time, it's a UG chapter and one chapter at that. That's like 2 years of your 50+ year commitment to the org. If the Deltas on that yard are drunken sluts (which sadly I've seen), you need to either make the decision that you can deal with being affiliated with them for a couple of years until you graduate or just wait and pledge a grad chapter. Delta on a national basis isn't that at all. Do your research.
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Post by Iceman on Apr 16, 2010 8:16:55 GMT -5
Interesting question D. Dash
Although I believe there is some truth in the stereotypes placed on our Orgs, you really have to take them with a grain of salt and take notice of the many exceptions. For any Greek that has spent time in the game for a while, they KNOW that the labels as a whole don’t hold true as it relates to every member, every chapter, every yard, every district, every region, etc. If someone were to swear by these stereotypes, I would ask them to explain to me:
Some of the academically challenged Alphas that I’ve met
Some of the grimiest Kappas that will get it poppin that I’ve met
Some of the introverted and non-partying Omegas that I’ve met
Some of the smoothest, spiffy dressing Sigmas that I’ve met
Some of the beautiful dark skin AKA’s that I’ve met
Some of the beautiful light skin Deltas that I’ve met.
The answer is - there is no explanation. At heart, people ARE who they ARE before they even join our Orgs. If you were a scholar who loved being a scholastic overachiever, chances are you will remain that way no matter which Org you pledge. If you were a wild dude who loved to party and cut loose, chances are that facet of your personality will remain no matter which Org you pledge. If you a smooth dude into fashion and love staying dapper, chances are you will remain that way no matter which Org you pledge.
So I don’t think it should be too surprising to see a specific chapter or member act or look a certain way that is contrary to our “labels”. Chapters are made up of all sorts of people with different personalities & appearances and what you see is going to be dependent on where you are. So to answer your question, the Org can’t take the blame for someone feeling duped after pledging a certain chapter…. and later finding out the rest of the Org isn’t like their chapter. That’s on them.
Interests should realize it’s not “only” about what they can see in front of them. Because outside of the superficial stuff (which does set us apart and has its place), ultimately you are pledging the Org - Not the “stereotype”. Research is essential. You’re not always gonna be on the yard, you’re not always gonna be in your 20’s, and you’re not always gonna be on the road trip/stepshow/greek picnic circuit. Now, after all that passes, can you still see yourself being a lifetime member of this particular Org? Hopefully the answer is yes.
But going back to what you said, it’s bad enough that we have the stereotypes, but if people are gonna pay attention to them, they should at least know that they don’t necessarily apply across the board.
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Post by LejaOMG on Apr 16, 2010 9:17:33 GMT -5
Good thread. I don't think my chapter was an anomaly, per se (my line was, but that's a different story...I've not yet seen a a group of pledges or neos like us). It kinda irritated me to travel, especially to the South (where apparently, the stereotype is that my sorors are less attractive) and have people constantly say, "OMG! We never seen Zetas look like ya'll!" but I understood that it was generally meant to be taken as a compliment so I never snapped on anybody about it.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Apr 16, 2010 9:52:31 GMT -5
Some really good responses y'all keep it coming.
@tq - yeah I am still kinda shocked that people have gotten a different glimpse of us (as a fraternity) based on our collective posts here (yours, mines, VPs, PL's, Brave, etc). I don't want to say we have a marketing problem, but some aspects of what we are doing is getting lost in the mix
@ Ice - I don't think you said one thing that I didn't agree with, but I think we have acknowledged in just another thread (the wrong time wrong org thread) that people AREN'T really doing research. So what is the likelihood
that they are going to see (or know) that there is a representation of the org beyond that chapter. For some people the chapter is the ambassador to the entire org. Does this change your answer at all?
@ Leja - would you be offended if an aspirant wanted to be a Zeta because they thought you all were pretty?
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Post by ReignMan19 on Apr 16, 2010 10:04:18 GMT -5
Good Thread.
I would be curious to know if you see this as a retention problem?
Could this add to chapter pride over org pride?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 16, 2010 10:31:10 GMT -5
It's bad enough that we have stereotypes... but what are you all's feeling on organizations that cater to another org's stereotype?
Theoretical Examples:
If there was a Delta Chapter that emphasized "long hair and light skin" or a Kappa chapter that emphasized (for lack of a better description) "being wild and crazy". Does this say anything about these particular chapters? Also might this attract people, who the organization is ultimately unable to retain, when they realize the rest of the org just isn't like this chapter?
Stereotypes aside, if you found out that your chapter was an anomaly within your organization, that what you did at your chapter was generally not done elsewhere, would you feel some kind of way about it? Naw because even though it's not where it should be right now(working on that)... we believe..naw we KNOW Bloody Pi Chapter Sets the Pace... Everyone Else Follows In short.. we like it that way. |
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Post by icebraka on Apr 16, 2010 10:46:30 GMT -5
It's bad enough that we have stereotypes... but what are you all's feeling on organizations that cater to another org's stereotype?
Theoretical Examples:
If there was a Delta Chapter that emphasized "long hair and light skin" or a Kappa chapter that emphasized (for lack of a better description) "being wild and crazy". Does this say anything about these particular chapters? Also might this attract people, who the organization is ultimately unable to retain, when they realize the rest of the org just isn't like this chapter?
Stereotypes aside, if you found out that your chapter was an anomaly within your organization, that what you did at your chapter was generally not done elsewhere, would you feel some kind of way about it? Naw because even though it's not where it should be right now(working on that)... we believe..naw we KNOW Bloody Pi Chapter Sets the Pace... Everyone Else Follows In short.. we like it that way. See that dameez.....your frat brothers are snobs too |
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Post by Bathroom Model on Apr 16, 2010 11:13:51 GMT -5
Good thread. I don't think my chapter was an anomaly, per se (my line was, but that's a different story...I've not yet seen a a group of pledges or neos like us). It kinda irritated me to travel, especially to the South (where apparently, the stereotype is that my sorors are less attractive) and have people constantly say, " OMG! We never seen Zetas look like ya'll!" but I understood that it was generally meant to be taken as a compliment so I never snapped on anybody about it. hate that crap and there is really isn't no excuse. Cause even if every person you've seen in my org looks different. Please don't comment. Cause when you say that you insult a lot of other people I care about. Had a que stop me in the mall trying to run game. Purple ninja you like 50 years old and 4 ft tall leave me alone. And insisting that I look like the stereotype of another org will not get you far.AND THEN ask me if I'm sure I'm a sgrho. >:(negro please. |
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Post by Iceman on Apr 16, 2010 12:02:08 GMT -5
Some really good responses y'all keep it coming.
@tq - yeah I am still kinda shocked that people have gotten a different glimpse of us (as a fraternity) based on our collective posts here (yours, mines, VPs, PL's, Brave, etc). I don't want to say we have a marketing problem, but some aspects of what we are doing is getting lost in the mix
@ Ice - I don't think you said one thing that I didn't agree with, but I think we have acknowledged in just another thread (the wrong time wrong org thread) that people AREN'T really doing research. So what is the likelihood
that they are going to see (or know) that there is a representation of the org beyond that chapter. For some people the chapter is the ambassador to the entire org. Does this change your answer at all?
@ Leja - would you be offended if an aspirant wanted to be a Zeta because they thought you all were pretty? I see what you’re saying D. Dash. But at some point, beyond all the strolling, partying, chanting, probates etc, they see, there will always still be a time (or rather there should be) for students to be able to get a real introduction or structural overview of the Fraternity or Sorority - or what we can call “The Inc.” factor. This may come in the form of an informational, a workshop, a Greek panel discussion or even just a casual conversation with a member. Those are all good opportunities to hear what the Org is about as a whole. In terms of being aware of surrounding chapters, my situation was a little different. Even as a Freshman, a lot of us dudes in my dorm use to travel to parties or games at other schools on various weekends. But even at those other places, the visual and feeling I got was that “These Alpha’s get it live just like the ones on my yard”. Just by travelling a little, what I saw in the Alphas on the road was consistent with what I saw with the APA representation on my campus. Now, I still didn’t know what the whole Frat was about as I was still simply operating off of visuals at this point. But that came later when I dug beneath the surface more, started talking to members, attending functions and researching. Even further, the best upfront understanding I got was the first night prior to our pre-pledging. Before “anything” popped off, we straight up had a 4 hour sit down. A back and forth rap session. History of the org was covered, the relationship our chapter shared with other chapters in proximity, what they felt set them apart from others Orgs, etc. But the bottom line is, it was an off the record rap session that gave us a much deeper understanding of what we were attempting to join. And if it didn’t sound appealing or we didn’t like what we heard, we were given the option to go our way, or seek another Org with no tied commitment – No harm, no foul. But that’s just my experience and I do realize the dichotomy of every chapter, undergrad or grad, is different. But still, I say that to say it’s not impossible to get a clear picture of what the Org is about, or to even see what other chapters are like before pledging. Interests just have to show initiative and seek it out though. And with today’s technology (that many of us didn’t have), you can’t really exonerate kids for ignorance these days. They can just go on line and get all the info the want. You want to see what other chapters are about in Alpha, Omega or Kappa besides your yard? Just start browsing various chapter websites on the net in other states. Look at some of the flicks on their sites, look at their programs, etc. Look for a consistent pattern. Or heaven forbid, they actually leave the campus, hit up another school’s homecoming or football game to just observe the scenery. IMO, There’s really no reason to get duped in 2010. Excuse the book big homie. |
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 16, 2010 12:09:41 GMT -5
I don't care. I know I'm pretty. If others feel that they are then that's their business even though they are not as pretty as me. <-------Dameez was that snobish enough? You know what, I'm about to launch a ninja war up in this piece against you Ques! It was you all who gave me the damn name Juicy anyway! Keep it up, you hear! Keep messing with my sorors and its on and popping! LOL@ |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Apr 16, 2010 12:26:25 GMT -5
Braka a snob would NEVA EVA be caught at the place where I met you (you remember it). That's a place for down to earth people. Give it up. We don't believe you... you need more snobbish people. You know what, I'm about to launch a ninja war up in this piece against you Ques! It was you all who gave me the damn name Juicy anyway! Keep it up, you hear! Keep messing with my sorors and its on and popping! LOL@ *raises hand* <----Is not sure but kinda wants to hear the story of how Juicy got her name *waits* |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Apr 16, 2010 12:50:32 GMT -5
You know what, I'm about to launch a ninja war up in this piece against you Ques! It was you all who gave me the damn name Juicy anyway! Keep it up, you hear! Keep messing with my sorors and its on and popping! LOL@ *raises hand* <----Is not sure but kinda wants to hear the story of how Juicy got her name *waits* |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Apr 16, 2010 12:53:11 GMT -5
So y'all were "Cold going mad"? LOL .
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Post by DamieQue™ on Apr 16, 2010 12:56:09 GMT -5
So y'all were "Cold going mad"? LOL .
...ergo Juicy. You know where she got the Julie Art name. |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Apr 16, 2010 12:57:04 GMT -5
Julie Art? YES I DO
*snickers*
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Post by icebraka on Apr 16, 2010 14:38:55 GMT -5
I don't care. I know I'm pretty. If others feel that they are then that's their business even though they are not as pretty as me. <-------Dameez was that snobish enough? I was testing my inner "Shaquiesha"....that's why I was there.  |
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 16, 2010 14:59:31 GMT -5
Julie Art? YES I DO *snickers*ROTFL! Everybody has a bad day! |
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 16, 2010 15:00:52 GMT -5
So y'all were "Cold going mad"? LOL .
...ergo Juicy. You know where she got the Julie Art name.that and the fact everytime you looked up I had another e-boo or another e-hubby, hence Sapphy calling me Lizzy for Elizabeth Taylor, lol! |
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Post by LejaOMG on Apr 16, 2010 18:32:13 GMT -5
@ Leja - would you be offended if an aspirant wanted to be a Zeta because they thought you all were pretty? offended, no. That hardly seems different from "you girls have the highest GPAs, you're the smartest on campus" or "your strolls are so cute! they get every party crunk." We got those a lot too. Everybody's not going to have a well thought-out initial reason for becoming interested. Hopefully, they have the sense not to express interest until they have an intelligent comment about the chapter. |
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Post by thatque on Apr 17, 2010 17:12:26 GMT -5
Braka a snob would NEVA EVA be caught at the place where I met you (you remember it). That's a place for down to earth people. Give it up. We don't believe you... you need more snobbish people. You know what, I'm about to launch a ninja war up in this piece against you Ques! It was you all who gave me the damn name Juicy anyway! Keep it up, you hear! Keep messing with my sorors and its on and popping! LOL@  ;D
If the Bruhs gave you that name it MUST be true! ;D |
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Post by Robelite on Apr 23, 2010 9:30:12 GMT -5
For those who pursued membership into their respective orgs, those stereotypes won't matter.
Then again, we know that we have folks who join for those very reasons. I've been around long enough that I've seen every example (in every org) of what said members are NOT supposed to look like.
Er'body wants to be "gangsta" or "hard" these days so it's difficult to discern one from the other most times anyway.
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Post by Southie on Apr 23, 2010 10:25:29 GMT -5
Good thread. I don't think my chapter was an anomaly, per se (my line was, but that's a different story...I've not yet seen a a group of pledges or neos like us). It kinda irritated me to travel, especially to the South (where apparently, the stereotype is that my sorors are less attractive) and have people constantly say, "OMG! We never seen Zetas look like ya'll!" but I understood that it was generally meant to be taken as a compliment so I never snapped on anybody about it. My entire crew get's the same: I can not believe you are a Zeta?!! Stereotypes? Yes, they still exist and yes some people and/or chapter try to live up to the whatever that "notion" might be. Is that forward thinking? Is that smart? Whatever.  |
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Post by icebraka on Apr 23, 2010 10:27:20 GMT -5
Good thread. I don't think my chapter was an anomaly, per se (my line was, but that's a different story...I've not yet seen a a group of pledges or neos like us). It kinda irritated me to travel, especially to the South (where apparently, the stereotype is that my sorors are less attractive) and have people constantly say, "OMG! We never seen Zetas look like ya'll!" but I understood that it was generally meant to be taken as a compliment so I never snapped on anybody about it. My entire crew get's the same: I can not believe you are a Zeta?!! Stereotypes? Yes, they still exist and yes some people and/or chapter try to live up to the whatever that "notion" might be. Is that forward thinking? Is that smart? Whatever. |
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Post by Southie on Apr 23, 2010 10:34:51 GMT -5
My entire crew get's the same: I can not believe you are a Zeta?!! Stereotypes? Yes, they still exist and yes some people and/or chapter try to live up to the whatever that "notion" might be. Is that forward thinking? Is that smart? Whatever. Yes, Houston...however, we loved the warm hopsitality. My LS and I are making a return visit (not sure the ladies at the moment). |
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