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Post by DamieQue™ on Dec 1, 2009 10:07:49 GMT -5
Swift justice yet again. No bothersome trial, no appeal, just gunfire justice. It's amazing how frequently this happens - feel free to draw whatever conclusions you likeA Seattle police patrolman working by himself in the hours before dawn ended a massive and frantic manhunt for alleged cop killer Maurice Clemmons on Tuesday,
The officer shot killed Clemmons, wanted for gunning down four Lakewood cops, as he fled in a Rainier Valley neighborhood.
"Everything indicates that this is the person we've been looking for," Seattle Police Assistant Chief Jim Pugel told a news conference at the scene about 5:20 a.m. Tuesday morning.
Clemmons was the sole suspect in the slayings of four Lakewood police officers as they sat in a coffee shop Sunday morning.www.seattlepi.com/local/412772_suspect01.html?source=mypi
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Post by 123Diva on Dec 1, 2009 10:31:59 GMT -5
If this dude really did kill 4 police officers, he most certainly had a death wish.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Dec 1, 2009 10:34:38 GMT -5
If...
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Post by 123Diva on Dec 1, 2009 10:36:55 GMT -5
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Post by BlackPrincess on Dec 1, 2009 10:42:16 GMT -5
I would think that the cops would want the right person to die for killing their fellow officers...they look like they found him.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Dec 1, 2009 11:04:14 GMT -5
I hear you BP. I'm sure they do want the right person to punished for it... but you know better than most (with your legal expertise), that's not their job or their function. They are here to enforce the law not exact revenge, not try, not find guilty, and execute.
And maybe this is my hang up, but I just galls me that people think that there should be some sociological understanding that people who kill cops (i.e. copkillers) are somehow worse than others, or that somehow the life of a police officer is more valuable than others.
Would there be this massive manhunt and summary execution (yes I know... that's my own hyperbole there) if the 4 people this man was alleged to have killed were teachers? If not why not? Is teaching less noble? What if they had been baby sitters? Would the community be incensed and vow revenge on the "baby sitter killers"?
I guess where I have a problem with this is that we, black man, far too often end up on the wrong side of the barrell of the gun. That is not to profess that we are always innocent, we are not, or that police can always avoid a confrontation, they cannot, but I'd prefer that our guilt (whenever it may be the case) be established in a court of law, than in the street with gunfire. It's almost like a license to kill for them
p.s. BP this isn't all aimed at you - I was initially answering your post but I went off on a tangent there. Please don't feel that's all directed at you - cause it's not.
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Post by Bunny Hop on Dec 1, 2009 11:16:32 GMT -5
I think the mindset about "killing police=deathwish" is more about the police's attitude toward their own. I don't think most people feel that a police officer's life is more valuable than someone else's but it's more like we know how they think and that they will look out for their own over anyone else. Sure they do a job that many can't and won't do but a life is a life....Officer Bob's life isn't any more valuable than the cousin we "buried" back in February. But this is America...the land of "guilty until proven innocent" and "eye for a eye."  |
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Post by BlackPrincess on Dec 1, 2009 11:44:08 GMT -5
LOL Damie...no worries! Your point WELL TAKEN, UNDERSTOOD and CORRECT! But even with your A+ opinion I just understand the anger those cats felt when they saw the "asshole" that shot down their homie...I would feel similar rage if I was in a similar situation (not a cop) but lets say the mother of cop, babysitter, teacher, etc...that was shot down...I would want that bastid or ids to die too.
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Post by Cambist on Dec 1, 2009 11:48:21 GMT -5
Did you read his record? Dude should have never been on the street.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Dec 1, 2009 12:07:14 GMT -5
Did you read his record? Dude should have never been on the street.
@ Bunny: actually I do know a few people who aren't cops that basically hold people who kill police in a different category. I don't know that they do or don't represent the majority but they are out there, but we agree in principle - a life is a life. I just don't know why they see it differently |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Dec 1, 2009 12:51:41 GMT -5
They have been brainwashed by blue people??
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Post by 123Diva on Dec 1, 2009 13:13:17 GMT -5
My original statement that killing 4 officers is a death wish was meant to reflect the law. The now dead suspect would end up dead anyway if found guilty. That was my point. I personally do not value the lives of officers more than that of Jane and John Doe down the street. But the law does, as seen in the heavier sentencing/punishment that ensues from such an act. Soooo, when one intentionally murders 4 officers, YES I believe that one MUST have a death wish, or at the very least, not care for life on this earth any longer.
Just clarifying in case clarification was needed.
If I were a Washington state resident, the human in me might be glad that this dude is no longer. I'm glad that there was a man-hunt out for him.
I do get Damie's point about him not receiving a trial and jury of his peers, etc...just being honest at the same time tho.
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Post by nsync on Dec 1, 2009 16:13:42 GMT -5
When I saw the reportings several people had come forward stating that the night before he had said look for him on the news because he was going to kill some cops.
If he truly did not kill these cops...then he was going to probably kill some other ones.
What I don't like is how justice is "served" in these cases. Most often if someone kills a cop and is found immediately they are killed. I don't think these cops are following the law. They are peforming slick avenge killing. THAT I do not agree with.
The only reason that guy that killed Charles Cassidy lived to see his dealth penalty sentance is because a church local(in FL<I believe> where he fled) encouraged him to turn himself in.
Philly has had an unusual amount of cop murder related deaths in the last few years. When these suspects are found the get dead. Stop playing with me.
Also, color does come into place. Lastly, I actually agree with Damie on this one.
Although, this guy should not have been on the streets. No way No how.
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Post by nsync on Dec 1, 2009 16:18:35 GMT -5
Not so long ago they were voted the safest city to live in in all of the USA. I remember Cam joking that they project the rain and gloom to keep negros away. LOLOLOLOLOL This case is a huge fail of the criminal justice system. If I were a Washington state resident, the human in me might be glad that this dude is no longer. I'm glad that there was a man-hunt out for him. |
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Post by 123Diva on Dec 1, 2009 16:50:06 GMT -5
Not so long ago they were voted the safest city to live in in all of the USA. I remember Cam joking that they project the rain and gloom to keep negros away. LOLOLOLOLOL This case is a huge fail of the criminal justice system. If I were a Washington state resident, the human in me might be glad that this dude is no longer. I'm glad that there was a man-hunt out for him. Safest city or not, when there is a crazed armed murderer on the run, I'm gonna be glad when he is no longer a viable threat to public safety. I'm not defending these cops. I am, however, coming from a place of "well what did we/they/anybody expect?" IMO, he was going to end up dead one way or another. Is that right? Not necessarily but it's most definitely reality and I would definitely feel safer, if I was living anywhere in that vicinity. |
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Post by Coldfront06 on Dec 1, 2009 16:56:55 GMT -5
I knew they'd kill him and he'd never see a trial.
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Post by nsync on Dec 1, 2009 17:03:09 GMT -5
I totally feel you. However, police should not take the law in their own hands in case their may be a mistake. I would want him off the streets but not necessarily in way of illegal death.
They say he was telling folks he was the Messiah.
I say RIP to these cops and I pray for their families. This is extremely sad.
At the same time that man needed serious help. But I guess some feel, you know what---- he's a deviant freak of nature. He deserves to be dead.
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Post by nsync on Dec 1, 2009 17:03:34 GMT -5
Yup. I knew they'd kill him and he'd never see a trial. |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Dec 1, 2009 17:37:23 GMT -5
I knew they'd kill him and he'd never see a trial. Thought the same thing the minute I heard. Now Huckabee is having to explain why he pardoned him....sad and hilarious at the same time. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Dec 2, 2009 14:26:08 GMT -5
I'm saying this:
When these suspects are found they get dead. Stop playing with me.
And this:
I knew they'd kill him and he'd never see a trial.
And THAT is a problem (for me).
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 3, 2009 23:29:28 GMT -5
Was he shooting at them or did they just kill him on sight? It's sad because I think they would have killed him either way... cops (IMO) feel like they're better than other people. If you kill me it's whatever, if you kill a cop now you have a label "cop killer" like somehow that's more serious.
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Post by Dasani on Dec 13, 2009 23:21:03 GMT -5
^^^
So True.
Honestly, if this dude had a record like that I am probably not going to lose any sleep over the fact that sociaty no longer has to worry about him. However, I don't think this gives cops the go ahead to illegally kill him, even if he is the one found to be guilty. People should not over look this type of illegal killing just cause the guy may be guilty….because next time he may be innocent.
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Post by dappa on Dec 17, 2009 12:01:04 GMT -5
This sounds like an execution.
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