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Post by nsync on Oct 18, 2009 17:52:19 GMT -5
Does your church discourage or forbid women from wearing pants during services (or even in everyday life)?
If so what scripture is used to support this?
Either way how do you feel about your church's stance on this?
should women wear pants to church, etc?
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Post by Julie Art on Oct 18, 2009 22:11:42 GMT -5
My church says come as you are. Its not a big deal and I agree. I go based on how I feel. If I'm not feeling great I'll go in jeans. I have some aunts that feel different though.
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Post by peppermint on Oct 18, 2009 23:27:11 GMT -5
Does your church discourage or forbid women from wearing pants during services (or even in everyday life)? Interestingly enough, lay women are not told a perference about pants, however, in recent months those women participating in an auxillary or ministry were asked to wear skirts or dresses. It's not really enforced but it was made known that this is the perferred look.
I have been in other churches in which women are told that skirts/dresses are "required" The general consenus is that pants should be avoided because you should always be ready to enter the house of God. If so what scripture is used to support this? From the KJV
1 Timothy 2:9- I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,
Deuteronomy 22:5- The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.Either way how do you feel about your church's stance on this? Since I grew up with this teaching, it's not really a big deal to me. I do understand both sides of the argument. To keep peace, I generally avoid wearing pants to church. This is particularly true in ministry. I've found that some people will not receive a woman in pants. I get that there is something going on with that person, but I do not want the cause of someone stumbling or not listening being because of something as silly as my wanting to wear pants.
I do wear pants in my personal life, but I've also gone months without wearing them. I believe that people should dress business causal for church whether it's a skirt/dress or pant suitshould women wear pants to church, etc? |
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Post by nsync on Oct 19, 2009 9:18:11 GMT -5
Do they say why they feel differently? My church says come as you are. Its not a big deal and I agree. I go based on how I feel. If I'm not feeling great I'll go in jeans. I have some aunts that feel different though. |
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Post by Chal™ on Oct 19, 2009 9:29:43 GMT -5
not to discredit you or your church, Juicy, because mine says the same, I feel the phrase has been stretched out of context over the years. It is my understanding that "Come as you are" refers to your spiritual state.
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Post by nsync on Oct 19, 2009 9:37:53 GMT -5
Thanks AKAD and peppermint. Oddly you both represent my churches. The church I attend with my husband is a come as you are church. I see sweats and jeans all the time. Some women wear dresses others wear pants. No one cares. In ministry or in congregations doesn't matter. It took me awhile to get used to this for myself. When I first started I would dress up and wear skirts/dresses all the time. One day I wore some slacks and I have been wearing them ever since. Still haven't branched out to jeans or sweats. However, I don't wear them on dress down fridays at work either. Just seems to lax for me.
This is because I grew up in a church (my home church) where it was almost forbidden to wear pants in the church based on Deuteronomy 22:5 as you listed peppermint. Also the thought was that when people come to get saved they can come as they are but once following the christian life women are to wear skirts.
Whenever I go to my home church I wear a skirt/dress.
I only feel strong about it when folks(denominations) try to insist that it's improper and/or it's a sin.
I believe in having historical context when reading the bible. What was men's clothes back then wasn't even pants as we know them now. My interpretation is that men and women should not cross dress. There is a difference between mens clothing and women's clothing
Now when I was a teen I would buy male polo shirts sometimes because that was the fashion or buy men's sneakers and timbs. My mom would get on me about that....I can see some question about that.... some.
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Post by nsync on Oct 19, 2009 9:39:48 GMT -5
Do you know what scripture supports "come as you are". I haven't seen that directly in the bible. Kinda like cleanliness is close to Godliness. That is not found anywhere in the scriptures directly, but folks quote it as a scripture. not to discredit you or your church, Juicy, because mine says the same, I feel the phrase has been stretched out of context over the years. It is my understanding that "Come as you are" refers to your spiritual state. |
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Post by Julie Art on Oct 19, 2009 10:30:30 GMT -5
Do they say why they feel differently? My church says come as you are. Its not a big deal and I agree. I go based on how I feel. If I'm not feeling great I'll go in jeans. I have some aunts that feel different though. They grew up in a church like Peppermint's where it was just an unspoken rule. One of my aunts is Holiness and she doesn't wear pants at all, and she gets mad at my cousins when they do to church, lol! Plus, different time back when they grew up too. It was odd back then to see women in anything but a skirt or dress. |
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Post by Julie Art on Oct 19, 2009 10:32:37 GMT -5
not to discredit you or your church, Juicy, because mine says the same, I feel the phrase has been stretched out of context over the years. It is my understanding that "Come as you are" refers to your spiritual state. Could be, but I don't think Jesus will turn away a potential soul from being saved because they have on pants. That is just me. |
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Post by Julie Art on Oct 19, 2009 10:35:52 GMT -5
Thanks AKAD and peppermint. Oddly you both represent my churches. The church I attend with my husband is a come as you are church. I see sweats and jeans all the time. Some women wear dresses others wear pants. No one cares. In ministry or in congregations doesn't matter. It took me awhile to get used to this for myself. When I first started I would dress up and wear skirts/dresses all the time. One day I wore some slacks and I have been wearing them ever since. Still haven't branched out to jeans or sweats. However, I don't wear them on dress down fridays at work either. Just seems to lax for me. This is because I grew up in a church (my home church) where it was almost forbidden to wear pants in the church based on Deuteronomy 22:5 as you listed peppermint. Also the thought was that when people come to get saved they can come as they are but once following the christian life women are to wear skirts. Whenever I go to my home church I wear a skirt/dress. I only feel strong about it when folks(denominations) try to insist that it's improper and/or it's a sin. I believe in having historical context when reading the bible. What was men's clothes back then wasn't even pants as we know them now. My interpretation is that men and women should not cross dress. There is a difference between mens clothing and women's clothing Now when I was a teen I would buy male polo shirts sometimes because that was the fashion or buy men's sneakers and timbs. My mom would get on me about that....I can see some question about that.... some. Bingo! No one wore pants back then, not like the pants we know now. If we take how men were dressed back then and compare that today's standard, that would be considered an attire for a woman. I mean, even back in Medieval times, men wore stockings, and in Ireland, men wore kilts which is equal to women's skirts, all which would be considered women's attire today. |
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Post by Chal™ on Oct 19, 2009 11:02:52 GMT -5
not to discredit you or your church, Juicy, because mine says the same, I feel the phrase has been stretched out of context over the years. It is my understanding that "Come as you are" refers to your spiritual state. Could be, but I don't think Jesus will turn away a potential soul from being saved because they have on pants. That is just me. i'm sorry, i laughed at this visual. But that isn't what I was saying at all. I highly doubt that He would turn away someone because of their apparel. No, I'm saying that I don't believe this statement had anything to do with clothes at all. Let me see if i can think of an adequate example.  OK, i got one. You know how some people say things like, "Girl, if I walk up in that church, the building go fall down." Most of these people say this because they know the life they live aren't Christ-like. But these are the exact people that God wants to come to him. "Come as you are" is like a reassurance that regardless of your spiritual health, God wants you to come to Him. You don't have to try and be "perfect" because that is impossible. Go to him as yourself. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Oct 19, 2009 11:12:10 GMT -5
Oh. Not was I was expecting. I came in here to say "oooh! pick me! I'm wearing a waistcoat at work today!"
But yeah, where I worship, it is generally understood that women are not to wear pants. I'm sure it's one of the more human aspects of the organization. Not a matter of scriptural commandment, but moreso a cultural thing. I think women in dresses and skirts are seen as more conservative/professional across the board. I've never really questioned it because it's not a problem for me. It's all I've known, and I'm not going to pick that battle.
Now if the congregation suddenly began to require pantyhose...
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Post by Highly Favored on Oct 19, 2009 13:58:05 GMT -5
Does your church discourage or forbid women from wearing pants during services (or even in everyday life)?
My organization, and the church that my husband and I left to begin a new ministry, discourages women from wearing pants in everyday life, but especially, at church (whether it is a worship service, meeting, social gathering, rehearsal, etc.)
If so what scripture is used to support this?
Same scriptures mentioned above. I Timothy 2:9 and Deuteronomy 22:5.
Either way how do you feel about your church's stance on this?
should women wear pants to church, etc?
I don't wear pants, unless I am exercising. I don't wear them to work, church, to do errands, etc. It is not a big deal for me not to wear them. As someone else mentioned, it is not a battle I wish to fight. I do prefer to see ladies in dresses at church. That is not because I attend a "holiness" church. It was the way I was raised. Although I wore pants at other times, I was always expected to be in a dress at church.
In our new ministry, our emphasis has not been on what people wear to church. A lot of the ladies who come to worship with us don't have a dress. We are not going to tell them they can't worship with us because they have on pants. It's not that serious to me and I definitely don't see it as a "heaven or hell" issue. I'd rather people be in church in what they have than not to come because they don't have what some would say are "the right clothes".
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Post by LejaOMG on Oct 19, 2009 14:11:14 GMT -5
My spiritual father has these stories that he tells over and over about how he studied with this man from the bush in Guyana and invited him to a special religious observance. And the man talked for weeks all about how he saved up for this new outfit he was gonna wear. And they were all excited. Then he turned up for the memorial of Christ's death in a brand new......pair of jockey shorts. I've heard it so much that it's no longer funny, but still. Others seem to get a kick out of it, lol.
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Post by Chal™ on Oct 19, 2009 14:17:41 GMT -5
sidenote: Leja mentions jockey shorts and now there's an Eastbay advertisement up there^^^. lol
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Post by LejaOMG on Oct 19, 2009 14:20:28 GMT -5
There's another about how the one of his friends went on a missionary trip to help build houses and such. And the women there didn't really wear shirts; they would just free-tatty, so they nurse their babies freely and carry on. So one of the brothers had had enough and he bought them all t-shirts to wear for the remainder of the project. And they were so thankful for the gift, that they wore them for the next several days...with holes cut out. So their breasts could be out for easy access. Torso and sternums was covered up than a mug, tho.
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Post by Chal™ on Oct 19, 2009 14:39:38 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Cambist on Nov 5, 2009 13:16:02 GMT -5
<<=== where's what he wants to church
<<=== usually doesn't wear "work clothes"
<<=== would not wear womens clothes anywhere
<<=== doesn't see anything wrong with women wearing pants
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Post by Dasani on Nov 7, 2009 21:24:55 GMT -5
In my church its pretty much come as you are but people dress up anyway. They won't stone you if you come in some jeans but I wouldn't dream of it.
The church I was a part of as a child was the same way. You dress up when you go to church (pants or dress it didn't matter. as long as they were dress pants). This is how I was raise, till this day if I wear jeans to church my mom would look at me as if I needed to turn right back around. Thats how I believe it should be, if you have the clothing and know better. I believe if you are grown and you have the clothing why not come to church in your sunday's best. I think the church should have a certain level of respect. It's the same in the work enviroment. You dress nice when you go out on a date, an interview, work or just a nice social gathering. It show the level of importance and your level of respect for the event or place. Why not do that at church. I know with some people clothing does not change their level of respect but it shows its. You come to church in work out cloths every sunday and you have something better at home...but when you're going any where else you wear something better..Why? It's almost psychological especially for children. I don't like it when children come to church looking like they are at the mall. It just changes their level of respect for the place when they come dressed better. You're not at school, you're not a home, you're not a the mall or out with your friends you are at church.
The problem I have is when folks tell you its not right to come as you are or wear mens clothing because its a sin.
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Post by juschill on Nov 8, 2009 14:56:45 GMT -5
YES!!!
I was brought up in an extremely conservative Seventh-Day Adventist church and it was damn near FORBIDDEN to wear pants to church, or anywhere else.
Wearing make-up, jewelry, open-toes shoes, skirts/dresses without stockings, BRAIDS/DREADS was surely a one-way ticket to hell according to folks in my church. over the years they have been a bit more lax, but when i look back at how things used to be....smh, it was NOT fun!
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Post by peppermint on Nov 8, 2009 18:06:42 GMT -5
<<=== would not wear womens clothes anywhere IDK Cam, some argue that skinny jeans are women's clothing ;D |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Nov 9, 2009 11:45:10 GMT -5
<<=== would not wear womens clothes anywhere IDK Cam, some argue that skinny jeans are women's clothing ;D |
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Post by Cambist on Nov 9, 2009 12:06:21 GMT -5
Skinny jeans are womens clothing.....check Cecile's video "Woman Tings"
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Post by Robelite on Nov 9, 2009 17:02:11 GMT -5
My church is very mainstream!
Even the female ministers in the pulpit wear slacks on occasion.
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Post by nsync on Nov 19, 2009 22:28:43 GMT -5
What denomination if you don't mind me asking. My church is very mainstream! Even the female ministers in the pulpit wear slacks on occasion. |
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