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Post by Robelite on Jul 29, 2009 13:18:45 GMT -5
My people universal healthcare is bad!!!!!!! I am sure most of us here have healthcare. Think about you have to make an appointment a week inadvance now think about if a millions of americans recieved healthcare tomarrow. How long would the wait be at your doctors office then?  ?? Foolishness and idiocy! Doctor's appoinments are made weeks in advance now. Where in hell have you been? That's been a standard practice for years. The health care system being promoted by this administration has nothing to do with that. You can keep the doctors and plans you ALREADY have if you are satisfied with them. Nothing is being FORCED on anyone. You should leave FOX News and AM conservative talk radio alone. One other thing that might come as a great shock to you....this plan is not (contrary to right-wing hacks beliefs,) designed to kill old people. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 29, 2009 13:52:47 GMT -5
Ummmmmm, not understanding Black Hulk, but from what I do understand about President Obama's Health Care plan is that it will guarantee your health care security and stability with eight basic consumer protections:
No discrimination for pre-existing conditions
No exorbitant out-of-pocket expenses, deductibles or co-pays
No cost-sharing for preventive care
No dropping of coverage if you become seriously ill
No gender discrimination
No annual or lifetime caps on coverage
Extended coverage for young adults
Guaranteed insurance renewal so long as premiums are paid
I personally don't see what the big deal is.
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 29, 2009 13:58:33 GMT -5
BlackHulk's position is a typically selfish one that doesn't separate the "I've got good insurance today and this is going to jack my care up" from the "I could become unemployed tomorrow or my employer could stop providing subsidized healthcare." I haven't heard one uninsured person say this was a bad idea.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 29, 2009 14:03:52 GMT -5
I haven't heard one uninsured person say this was a bad idea. |
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Post by blackhulk on Jul 29, 2009 14:40:09 GMT -5
Thats right uninsured people would not complain, because they would get the same coverage that my job is giving me, on our tax dollars. Think about this your job gives you an annual raise of 4%.Well, since the government needs money for healthcare each your they increase income tax by 2%. So your annual raise is only 2%. I'm a Democract too people!!!!! But, just think about all the people in county hospitals in regular hospitals because they have healthcare. Take it like this You and only 100 people know about Six Flags, so the no wait in lines, if your hungry you can eat right when you want, lets say 5,000 people find out about Six Flags; Now there are long waits in lines for everything. You tell me which is better?
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 29, 2009 15:18:06 GMT -5
Thats right uninsured people would not complain, because they would get the same coverage that my job is giving me, on our tax dollars. Think about this your job gives you an annual raise of 4%.Well, since the government needs money for healthcare each your they increase income tax by 2%. So your annual raise is only 2%. I'm a Democract too people!!!!! But, just think about all the people in county hospitals in regular hospitals because they have healthcare. Take it like this You and only 100 people know about Six Flags, so the no wait in lines, if your hungry you can eat right when you want, lets say 5,000 people find out about Six Flags; Now there are long waits in lines for everything. You tell me which is better?
2 things might be helpful here
1. That if you haven't already to go introduce yourself in the newbie thread
2. That you list out exactly what you are against and not just saying "Universal Healthcare". The term is too ambiguous. |
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Post by denounced on Jul 29, 2009 15:44:19 GMT -5
Sign a DNR? What?
Jack K has left his mark. Oh! Docs appointments in this country with states that have employed GAHC, try waiting months for your appointment. In other countries, try years.......... I hope his plan fails, fails, fails................
Who has read the bill, the whole thing?
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Post by Robelite on Jul 29, 2009 16:50:01 GMT -5
Sign a DNR? What? Jack K has left his mark. Oh! Docs appointments in this country with states that have employed GAHC, try waiting months for your appointment. In other countries, try years.......... I hope his plan fails, fails, fails................Who has read the bill, the whole thing? Aw hell denny, you hope EVERYTHING he tries to do fails...just like the wingnuts.  Got a tip for ya...Hawaii was a state in 1961! |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 29, 2009 16:54:46 GMT -5
Thats right uninsured people would not complain, because they would get the same coverage that my job is giving me, on our tax dollars. Think about this your job gives you an annual raise of 4%.Well, since the government needs money for healthcare each your they increase income tax by 2%. So your annual raise is only 2%. I'm a Democract too people!!!!! But, just think about all the people in county hospitals in regular hospitals because they have healthcare. Take it like this You and only 100 people know about Six Flags, so the no wait in lines, if your hungry you can eat right when you want, lets say 5,000 people find out about Six Flags; Now there are long waits in lines for everything. You tell me which is better?
2 things might be helpful here
1. That if you haven't already to go introduce yourself in the newbie thread
2. That you list out exactly what you are against and not just saying "Universal Healthcare". The term is too ambiguous.Yep, what Damie said! EXACTLY!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 29, 2009 17:22:11 GMT -5
I just read something on the Huffpost that the public option is still in the bill, but it's been weakened
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 29, 2009 23:22:55 GMT -5
Black hulk sounds selfish as hayle and would NOT feel this way if he lost his job and benefits tomorrow. Denounced is just against Obama because he is a democrat. Hey denounced I bet you thought that Palin would bring integrity to the White House to huh, lol!
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 30, 2009 7:34:18 GMT -5
I've started seeing commercials cricizing the level of care that Canadians get if they need a specialist or experimental procedure. Let the games officially begin.
I am employed and have pretty good insurance through my employer. But I am a type 2 diabetic, a pre-existing condition that could currently end up denying me coverage. I was laid off a few years ago and scrimped every dime to make sure I kept Cobra coverage the entire time I was out of work so I wouldn't have a break in service and risk not being able to get it back.
Yes, universal health care has it's challenges but it's still a heck of a lot better than the level of care many Americans are currently getting. My father is self employed and did not have health care several years ago when he got gangrene and had to be hospitalized. He was scheduled for surgery and then when the surgeon noticed he was self pay, the surgery was canceled and suddenly the course of treatment became "discharge and monitor". That's some straight bull.
Black Hulk, I am glad that clearly you nor anyone you care about has been in the position of having to seek care without private insurance. That's really a blessing in these times. I do hope however that over time you develop a less selfish and more holistic view of how we should treat and care for each other.
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 30, 2009 10:07:17 GMT -5
And this post^^^^^is why you have been exhalted.
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Post by Cambist on Jul 30, 2009 10:27:35 GMT -5
Healthcare Reform Ideas:
Government run system of Hospitals and Clinics (think VA) with several of these hospitals being "teaching hospitals" that house and host medical schools and students respectively. Students accepted to these schools would incur an obligation to serve a certain amount of time in the gov system.
Doctors working in these hospitals would make a lower salary than most in private practice (of course) but would enjoy tax benefits (in the way of worker credits as well as participating in gov pension and retirement program and other fed gov employee benefits.)
The optional gov would offer a health plan that addressed more "elective" surgeries and procedures or individuals could pay for private plans and choose specialist outside the system to perform these duties.
In my opinion, there should be no "Public Option". The option should be the use of private physicians and their services.
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Post by Warner Fite on Jul 30, 2009 13:03:44 GMT -5
I just read something on the Huffpost that the public option is still in the bill, but it's been weakened I read the same thing...surprise, surprise. The lobbyist are being paid by private insurers on one end, pharmaceuticals on the other...it's a battle Obama will concede. But the war is getting Universal coverage. That's a war that will be won over time... It's strange man...Dems run the WH, the House and the Senate and can't get shyt across with regards to healthcare. If this was the rightwing honkies, we would be chewing this issue by now. Unbelievable the politics! |
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Post by Warner Fite on Jul 30, 2009 13:04:08 GMT -5
I haven't heard one uninsured person say this was a bad idea. now three. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 30, 2009 13:19:31 GMT -5
I just read something on the Huffpost that the public option is still in the bill, but it's been weakened I read the same thing...surprise, surprise. The lobbyist are being paid by private insurers on one end, pharmaceuticals on the other...it's a battle Obama will concede. But the war is getting Universal coverage. That's a war that will be won over time... It's strange man...Dems run the WH, the House and the Senate and can't get shyt across with regards to healthcare. If this was the rightwing honkies, we would be chewing this issue by now. Unbelievable the politics!
I think on the Democrats side there has been some in-fighting especially amongst Progressives and Blue-Dogs. |
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Post by Warner Fite on Jul 30, 2009 13:22:17 GMT -5
I read the same thing...surprise, surprise. The lobbyist are being paid by private insurers on one end, pharmaceuticals on the other...it's a battle Obama will concede. But the war is getting Universal coverage. That's a war that will be won over time... It's strange man...Dems run the WH, the House and the Senate and can't get shyt across with regards to healthcare. If this was the rightwing honkies, we would be chewing this issue by now. Unbelievable the politics!
I think on the Democrats side there has been some in-fighting especially amongst Progressives and Blue-Dogs.Right, but damn near every dem wanted and damn near demanded universal healthcare and now WE want infighting?....politics man..... |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 30, 2009 13:52:39 GMT -5
Very true. I mean, when Republicans came to power and couldn't seem to get ANY spending reduced and in fact grew the government, everyone was up in arms (well everyone that wasn't a Republican).
I think on the Democrats side there has been some in-fighting especially amongst Progressives and Blue-Dogs. Right, but damn near every dem wanted and damn near demanded universal healthcare and now WE want infighting?....politics man.....
I'm guessing this because they were pretty doggone adamant about keeping it below 1 Trillion |
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Post by Cambist on Jul 31, 2009 10:08:34 GMT -5
The two Blue Dogs from Arkansas are pretty active in this. Marion Berry and Mike Ross. Granted...they live in very conservative parts of a very conservative state.
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Post by Warner Fite on Jul 31, 2009 12:26:36 GMT -5
Right, but damn near every dem wanted and damn near demanded universal healthcare and now WE want infighting?....politics man.....
I'm guessing this because they were pretty doggone adamant about keeping it below 1 TrillionThe bolded part....that's real liberalism...sad, but true. Blue Dog, Progressive or Center-Left.... be a fuckin Democrat, period. Just get on board. All these lame political sub-titles make for party line contradictions. People are taking themselves WAY to seriously.... Okay, Blue Dogs are mainly a group of people who vote Dem but are caught in their careers working for industries that are largely constiuents of the Right (Insurance, Pharm, etc...) So take an insurance broker who votes Dem, for example. He's conflicted, at the least. How can he make 250K a year once Universal Healthcare takes place? He's a social liberal with fiscal policy needs in order to continue sending his kids to private schools and maintaining his 750K mortgage...but he's a bleeding heart liberal and the end of it all, knowing that his secretary, possibly a few family members, an old high school buddy sure could use that subsized-cost healthcare... Progressives?, Bruh, don't even get me started on these sumbytches. These name-donating, out-of-touch, Uniterian Church belonging muhfuckas think grassroots is some sort of yuppie blender drink that's makes your blood healthy. True Dems are liberals, period. Not Center right, kinda fiscally conservative with a shot of liberalism. Take that Star-Bucks shyt the fuck outta hea. |
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Post by denounced on Aug 5, 2009 13:15:24 GMT -5
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Post by T-Rex91 on Aug 11, 2009 11:33:39 GMT -5
So Obama himself is going to have one of these townhall meetings on healthcare. The Republicans are poorly organized but they sure have pulled together to ruin the meetings they've had so far. I'm staying tuned.
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Post by denounced on Aug 25, 2009 9:19:20 GMT -5
I do not agree with the shouting down of other people. Give them a chance to talk and present, but do not let them dominate the meeting. The reps are there to hear us, not to be hollered at.
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