|
Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 20, 2009 6:25:17 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by ACES on Jul 21, 2009 13:04:44 GMT -5
good move. He knows the importance of getting this thing done so he's doing what he always does to get his message out, take it to the people.
as an aside, this POTUS is turning out to be one of the most VISABLE POTUS in a long time. I mean he is using every media vehicle at his disposal to keep his face in the public eye.
|
|
|
Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 21, 2009 13:13:08 GMT -5
I think his cool head will serve him well in this fight, moreso than the TARP controversies. Much is already being made of his sinking approval rating on the handling of healthcare and he'll keep his head about him and push this through. He's starting to take a hardline on the deadlines and while he won't necessarily achieve them, the consistent push will hopefully get some traction and we can get some results in a few years.
|
|
|
Post by ACES on Jul 21, 2009 13:18:21 GMT -5
he wants this thing done alot sooner than in " a few years."
|
|
|
Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 21, 2009 13:36:12 GMT -5
Agreed, but I just don't think he'll get alignment as quickly as he'd like. Some key decisions will be made (hopefully) this year but I for one don't expect a full blown plan.
|
|
|
Post by Robelite on Jul 21, 2009 14:30:09 GMT -5
GREAT MOVE!!
What better face to put on the bill than that of the confident, articulate and "cool-headed" president? Besides, for all the barkin' and cryin' coming from the right-wing kooks, the people of this nation WANT healthcare reform (even if it means a few more dollars in taxes,) and they WANT to see Pres. Obama out there pushing it!
Once again, this man is showing why he was elected, why is approval numbers are still up (despite some stumbling blocks along the way,) and why the wingnuts are pulling out their hair because they continue to FAIL at their attempts to destroy him!
|
|
|
Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 21, 2009 19:31:59 GMT -5
I think it's a great move myself. Someone mentioned that Obama knows how to campaign, but getting legislation moved is something different.
Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't.
If he can't convince Senators (who themselves enjoy access to the federal health care that we're supposed to fear as a bureaucracy) that having a public option (not mandate, OPTION) is a good thing for me and you, maybe he SHOULD do an end-around those hypocritical Senators. Maybe he should take his case to the people...
...maybe that will remind the Senators that THAT is who they answer to NOT the lobbyist, NOT their friends, NOT their cronies. America wants affordable healthcare. And dear Senators, you get in the way of that at your own peril.
|
|
|
Post by Julie Art on Jul 22, 2009 9:47:04 GMT -5
I think it's a great move myself. Someone mentioned that Obama knows how to campaign, but getting legislation moved is something different.
Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't.
If he can't convince Senators (who themselves enjoy access to the federal health care that we're supposed to fear as a bureaucracy) that having a public option (not mandate, OPTION) is a good thing for me and you, maybe he SHOULD do an end-around those hypocritical Senators. Maybe he should take his case to the people...
...maybe that will remind the Senators that THAT is who they answer to NOT the lobbyist, NOT their friends, NOT their cronies. America wants affordable healthcare. And dear Senators, you get in the way of that at your own peril. I often feel that majority forget that is what they are there for, to represent the interests of the people from their state, not all that other bull crap. It will also let them know that if they aren't going for things that their statesmen that they are suppose to represent wants and it is made public, their chance of re-election lessons. Great point Damie!
|
|
|
Post by denounced on Jul 22, 2009 14:26:40 GMT -5
This healthcare is a failed fiasco everywhere it has been employed. It has even been and is still being done un the U.S. in one of our states. It's already billions in the red. DO NOT LET THE GOVERNMENT RUN AND RATION HEALTHCARE.
|
|
|
Post by denounced on Jul 22, 2009 14:30:22 GMT -5
His numbers are dropping, and he is losing his cool. The thrill is gone. Rep, Dem, who cares, when you have a dude who puts a population control nut as his science advisor, is anyone paying attention.
|
|
|
Post by Robelite on Jul 22, 2009 14:54:25 GMT -5
His numbers are dropping, and he is losing his cool. The thrill is gone. Rep, Dem, who cares, when you have a dude who puts a population control nut as his science advisor, is anyone paying attention.My sentiments exactly! When's the next abortion doctor shooting, denny?
|
|
|
Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Jul 22, 2009 17:03:07 GMT -5
I think it's a great move myself. Someone mentioned that Obama knows how to campaign, but getting legislation moved is something different.
Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't.
If he can't convince Senators (who themselves enjoy access to the federal health care that we're supposed to fear as a bureaucracy) that having a public option (not mandate, OPTION) is a good thing for me and you, maybe he SHOULD do an end-around those hypocritical Senators. Maybe he should take his case to the people...
...maybe that will remind the Senators that THAT is who they answer to NOT the lobbyist, NOT their friends, NOT their cronies. America wants affordable healthcare. And dear Senators, you get in the way of that at your own peril. I often feel that majority forget that is what they are there for, to represent the interests of the people from their state, not all that other bull crap. It will also let them know that if they aren't going for things that their statesmen that they are suppose to represent wants and it is made public, their chance of re-election lessons. Great point Damie! They haven't forgotten who they are there to represent, it is just that they are rarely held accountable for voting against the will of the people. I think healthcare will be different. This affects so many people. Sure, there are a lot of people out there who have good plans courtesy of their employer, but there are so many others who struggle to pay for their insurance and then when they get sick are afraid of losing their coverage. The republicans claim to fear a public option because it will put the for profit health care companies out of business. I thought they favored competition. Look at the post office, it is government run, but UPS and Fedex are still in business. I personally do all of my shipping through the post office at a fraction of the cost, but obviously there are enough people who are willing to use the private shipping companies. It will be the same with healthcare.
|
|
|
Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Jul 22, 2009 17:03:29 GMT -5
I think it's a great move myself. Someone mentioned that Obama knows how to campaign, but getting legislation moved is something different.
Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't.
If he can't convince Senators (who themselves enjoy access to the federal health care that we're supposed to fear as a bureaucracy) that having a public option (not mandate, OPTION) is a good thing for me and you, maybe he SHOULD do an end-around those hypocritical Senators. Maybe he should take his case to the people...
...maybe that will remind the Senators that THAT is who they answer to NOT the lobbyist, NOT their friends, NOT their cronies. America wants affordable healthcare. And dear Senators, you get in the way of that at your own peril. I often feel that majority forget that is what they are there for, to represent the interests of the people from their state, not all that other bull crap. It will also let them know that if they aren't going for things that their statesmen that they are suppose to represent wants and it is made public, their chance of re-election lessons. Great point Damie! They haven't forgotten who they are there to represent, it is just that they are rarely held accountable for voting against the will of the people. I think healthcare will be different. This affects so many people. Sure, there are a lot of people out there who have good plans courtesy of their employer, but there are so many others who struggle to pay for their insurance and then when they get sick are afraid of losing their coverage. The republicans claim to fear a public option because it will put the for profit health care companies out of business. I thought they favored competition. Look at the post office, it is government run, but UPS and Fedex are still in business. I personally do all of my shipping through the post office at a fraction of the cost, but obviously there are enough people who are willing to use the private shipping companies. It will be the same with healthcare.
|
|
|
Post by Dr. Michelob Lite on Jul 22, 2009 19:08:39 GMT -5
We can't even really blame the republicans...(well, actually, we can always blame the republicans, lol) because the democrats have the House and the Senate, but if "moderate" Democrats don't want to push this healthcare agenda...then they're as much as a barrier as nagging Republicans.
|
|
|
Post by denounced on Jul 22, 2009 20:31:14 GMT -5
His numbers are dropping, and he is losing his cool. The thrill is gone. Rep, Dem, who cares, when you have a dude who puts a population control nut as his science advisor, is anyone paying attention.My sentiments exactly! When's the next abortion doctor shooting, denny? Probably after the next couple uh maybe 10- 20 million babies through abortion. Both are wrong, but they certanly do not compare in degree. The way this man acted toward killing babies, God showed him many years of mercy to repent and stop the killing of the innocents. MAAFA 21
|
|
|
Post by denounced on Jul 22, 2009 20:33:57 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Julie Art on Jul 22, 2009 21:48:43 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly! When's the next abortion doctor shooting, denny? Probably after the next couple uh maybe 10- 20 million babies through abortion. Both are wrong, but they certanly do not compare in degree. The way this man acted toward killing babies, God showed him many years of mercy to repent and stop the killing of the innocents. MAAFA 21 Wow I thought you knew all sin is equal in the sight of the Lord. I guess that is what I get for assuming ::shrugs::
|
|
|
Post by Julie Art on Jul 22, 2009 21:51:24 GMT -5
I often feel that majority forget that is what they are there for, to represent the interests of the people from their state, not all that other bull crap. It will also let them know that if they aren't going for things that their statesmen that they are suppose to represent wants and it is made public, their chance of re-election lessons. Great point Damie! They haven't forgotten who they are there to represent, it is just that they are rarely held accountable for voting against the will of the people. I think healthcare will be different. This affects so many people. Sure, there are a lot of people out there who have good plans courtesy of their employer, but there are so many others who struggle to pay for their insurance and then when they get sick are afraid of losing their coverage. The republicans claim to fear a public option because it will put the for profit health care companies out of business. I thought they favored competition. Look at the post office, it is government run, but UPS and Fedex are still in business. I personally do all of my shipping through the post office at a fraction of the cost, but obviously there are enough people who are willing to use the private shipping companies. It will be the same with healthcare. Great analogy! I agree about the accountability 100%.
|
|
|
Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 22, 2009 23:24:19 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by denounced on Jul 23, 2009 5:42:40 GMT -5
When you say that all sin is equal, what EXACTLY do you mean?
I thought you had better discernment to see what I was saying Juicy. But then again, I believe you know exactly what I mean. I could take time to explain it in a thesis, but I will say it like this, there will be degrees of punishment/torment in the second resurrection, and there is a grave difference between a baby killer and a baby in the womb.
@damie- I know about the option clause, but I look at the bigger picture. I look at it from the elitist perspective (i.e. it's obvious where this is going.) See how much a plan for you alone would cost that equals your employers plan, then holla back.
By the way, the most dangerous place for a black person today is in the womb OF THEIR MOTHER. I dare you to research how many of your black brothers and sisters were killed and incinerated by Tiller the Killer. I sincerely hope and pray he made it right with the Master before he died.
So, is all sin equal, or is this just something that was started by a heretic. Where's your scripture to say that all sin is equal, or do you want to fashion your statement in another way.
|
|
|
Post by Robelite on Jul 23, 2009 9:56:25 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly! When's the next abortion doctor shooting, denny? Probably after the next couple uh maybe 10- 20 million babies through abortion. Both are wrong, but they certanly do not compare in degree. The way this man acted toward killing babies, God showed him many years of mercy to repent and stop the killing of the innocents. MAAFA 21 GOD...exactly! That murdering bastard who took his life obviously assumed that HE was God! That's the problem with you extremists...you place yourselves on God's pedestal. If God had obviously not taken His will out on the doctor, what made a maniacal, crazed lunatic think that he had the right to make that judgement?
|
|
|
Post by Julie Art on Jul 23, 2009 10:43:30 GMT -5
When you say that all sin is equal, what EXACTLY do you mean?
I thought you had better discernment to see what I was saying Juicy. But then again, I believe you know exactly what I mean. I could take time to explain it in a thesis, but I will say it like this, there will be degrees of punishment/torment in the second resurrection, and there is a grave difference between a baby killer and a baby in the womb. @damie- I know about the option clause, but I look at the bigger picture. I look at it from the elitist perspective (i.e. it's obvious where this is going.) See how much a plan for you alone would cost that equals your employers plan, then holla back. By the way, the most dangerous place for a black person today is in the womb OF THEIR MOTHER. I dare you to research how many of your black brothers and sisters were killed and incinerated by Tiller the Killer. I sincerely hope and pray he made it right with the Master before he died. So, is all sin equal, or is this just something that was started by a heretic. Where's your scripture to say that all sin is equal, or do you want to fashion your statement in another way.[/quote] I meant exactly what I said. It's all equal, i.e. no sin is greater then the other in the eyes of the Lord. Sin is sin one does not weigh more then the other, it is all SIN. And the wages of sin is death. It doesn't say if you do this sin, you ok, but this one, unforgivable. You are NOT God, so you have know idea how God will judge any of it, period, point blank, end of story. MY bible says that God will be the Judge on Judgement Day. Are you God? Nope, all you can do is like the rest of us, assume, which means your opinion (that is what it is) is not law. Sorry to burst your bubble. There is your discernment. Bolded, is that at me or Damie? If at me, I leave it as I said it, end of discussion.
|
|
|
Post by denounced on Jul 23, 2009 11:22:55 GMT -5
When you say that all sin is equal, what EXACTLY do you mean?
I thought you had better discernment to see what I was saying Juicy. But then again, I believe you know exactly what I mean. I could take time to explain it in a thesis, but I will say it like this, there will be degrees of punishment/torment in the second resurrection, and there is a grave difference between a baby killer and a baby in the womb. @damie- I know about the option clause, but I look at the bigger picture. I look at it from the elitist perspective (i.e. it's obvious where this is going.) See how much a plan for you alone would cost that equals your employers plan, then holla back. By the way, the most dangerous place for a black person today is in the womb OF THEIR MOTHER. I dare you to research how many of your black brothers and sisters were killed and incinerated by Tiller the Killer. I sincerely hope and pray he made it right with the Master before he died. So, is all sin equal, or is this just something that was started by a heretic. Where's your scripture to say that all sin is equal, or do you want to fashion your statement in another way.[/quote] I meant exactly what I said. It's all equal, i.e. no sin is greater then the other in the eyes of the Lord. Sin is sin one does not weigh more then the other, it is all SIN. And the wages of sin is death. It doesn't say if you do this sin, you ok, but this one, unforgivable. You are NOT God, so you have know idea how God will judge any of it, period, point blank, end of story. MY bible says that God will be the Judge on Judgement Day. Are you God? Nope, all you can do is like the rest of us, assume, which means your opinion (that is what it is) is not law. Sorry to burst your bubble. There is your discernment. Bolded, is that at me or Damie? If at me, I leave it as I said it, end of discussion. Yep! NO SCRIPTURE..........As usual, feelings, misinformation, and unwillingness to study God's Word. Now onto this healthcare public option mess. www.dakotavoice.com/2009/01/massachusetts-health-care-a-model-for-disaster/“With the "Massachusetts model" frequently cited as a blueprint for health care reform, it is important to recognize that giving the government greater control over our health care system will have grave consequences for taxpayers, providers, and health care consumers. That is the lesson of the Massachusetts model.” www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10268“Another Failing Public Health Care Option Hawaii's failed. Massachusetts' is failing. And, oh look - another state tried it and, surprise! Prices are skyrocketing and it's, surprise, failing in Tennessee.” albanymediabias.blogspot.com/2009/07/another-failing-public-health-care.htmlHindsight is 20/20........ Experience is the only school a fool can learn in and no other.... Learn from other people's mistakes........... Do not punish the people for your agenda and foolish pride......... WHO IS ADVISING OUR PRESIDENT?
|
|
|
Post by Julie Art on Jul 23, 2009 12:58:44 GMT -5
When you say that all sin is equal, what EXACTLY do you mean?
I thought you had better discernment to see what I was saying Juicy. But then again, I believe you know exactly what I mean. I could take time to explain it in a thesis, but I will say it like this, there will be degrees of punishment/torment in the second resurrection, and there is a grave difference between a baby killer and a baby in the womb. @damie- I know about the option clause, but I look at the bigger picture. I look at it from the elitist perspective (i.e. it's obvious where this is going.) See how much a plan for you alone would cost that equals your employers plan, then holla back. By the way, the most dangerous place for a black person today is in the womb OF THEIR MOTHER. I dare you to research how many of your black brothers and sisters were killed and incinerated by Tiller the Killer. I sincerely hope and pray he made it right with the Master before he died. So, is all sin equal, or is this just something that was started by a heretic. Where's your scripture to say that all sin is equal, or do you want to fashion your statement in another way.[/quote] I meant exactly what I said. It's all equal, i.e. no sin is greater then the other in the eyes of the Lord. Sin is sin one does not weigh more then the other, it is all SIN. And the wages of sin is death. It doesn't say if you do this sin, you ok, but this one, unforgivable. You are NOT God, so you have know idea how God will judge any of it, period, point blank, end of story. MY bible says that God will be the Judge on Judgement Day. Are you God? Nope, all you can do is like the rest of us, assume, which means your opinion (that is what it is) is not law. Sorry to burst your bubble. There is your discernment. Bolded, is that at me or Damie? If at me, I leave it as I said it, end of discussion. Yep! NO SCRIPTURE..........As usual, feelings, misinformation, and unwillingness to study God's Word. Now onto this healthcare public option mess. www.dakotavoice.com/2009/01/massachusetts-health-care-a-model-for-disaster/“With the "Massachusetts model" frequently cited as a blueprint for health care reform, it is important to recognize that giving the government greater control over our health care system will have grave consequences for taxpayers, providers, and health care consumers. That is the lesson of the Massachusetts model.” www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10268“Another Failing Public Health Care Option Hawaii's failed. Massachusetts' is failing. And, oh look - another state tried it and, surprise! Prices are skyrocketing and it's, surprise, failing in Tennessee.” albanymediabias.blogspot.com/2009/07/another-failing-public-health-care.htmlHindsight is 20/20........ Experience is the only school a fool can learn in and no other.... Learn from other people's mistakes........... Do not punish the people for your agenda and foolish pride......... WHO IS ADVISING OUR PRESIDENT? I KNOW YOU of all people is NOT talking about not showing reference to scripture! That is so like the pot calling the kettle black! As I stated, you are NOT God, you can not pass judgement on ANYONE, nor can you tell someone that one sin is greater than the other. feelings, misinformation, and unwillingness to study God's WordYou are so hypocritcal, because that is what YOU DO all day everyday. People will ask you for scriputre for what you are saying and you provide NONE! But when someone does to you what you do to the others, they are misinformed and uneducated of the bible. You are so laughable. Just because someone doesn't agree with your extreme philosophy about everything in life, then they are uninformed. You know what, as all conversations are with you, this is mute. YOu have your opinion, me mine, move on. You are not God, nor are you the boss of anyone on this board, with your lame rhetoric that all things Denounce say is truth. Done.
|
|
|
Post by No Screen Name on Jul 23, 2009 17:12:42 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaulIt looks like Obama's healthcare plan is delayed. I'm feeling Obama--I agree that this needs to be done SOONER rather than LATER. People have such short attention spans that as soon as the economy recovers a *tiny* bit, and people start making an extra $.15 an hour over what they were making before, they'll be wanting to go back to the old ways and will forget about the urgency of fixing health care.
|
|
|
Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 24, 2009 9:02:22 GMT -5
@damie- I know about the option clause, but I look at the bigger picture. I look at it from the elitist perspective (i.e. it's obvious where this is going.) See how much a plan for you alone would cost that equals your employers plan, then holla back. Obvious where it's going? You mean competition among providers and affordable healthcare for everyone? I don't get the "cost" argument - least of all from Christians.
For 1, it is not to my mind's eye a Christian approach to use cost as a reason that many will go without health care that they need
For 2, we are paying billions (that's billions with a b at the front and an s at the end) for the cost of uninsured receiving coverage anyway. Insurance companies don't eat the loss, they pass it on to policy holders. You're paying for it anyway.
|
|
|
Post by No Screen Name on Jul 24, 2009 10:06:07 GMT -5
You know what? I TRY to keep an open mind--but Fred Hatcher REALLY isn't right, y'all. Where in the Bible is THAT? You chided Juicy for not posting any scripture, but where is your, to prove YOUR point? Because the scriptures I'm thinking of do NOT support this.
|
|
|
Post by Julie Art on Jul 24, 2009 10:32:28 GMT -5
You know what? I TRY to keep an open mind--but Fred Hatcher REALLY isn't right, y'all. Underlined parts, LMBO!!!!!!!!!! That is why I half way went off because I'm like do you ever provide scripture? No! We been knew he wasn't right, he reminds me of the black version of the McCain/Palin supporters, just ignorant and loving it!
|
|
|
Post by denounced on Jul 27, 2009 15:57:52 GMT -5
You know what? I TRY to keep an open mind--but Fred Hatcher REALLY isn't right, y'all. I did not come out the box claiming what God said, or what the Bible said. I asked for the proof and was not disappointed. Here's a hint. Go to the Gospels where it discusses Korazin. That's just a start.
|
|
|
Post by blackhulk on Jul 27, 2009 22:39:00 GMT -5
My people universal healthcare is bad!!!!!!! I am sure most of us here have healthcare. Think about you have to make an appointment a week inadvance now think about if a millions of americans recieved healthcare tomarrow. How long would the wait be at your doctors office then? ??
|
|