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Post by frozenmenace on Jun 17, 2009 19:48:17 GMT -5
Well, the Bible says that God made Adam and then Eve. Eve gave birth to Cain and Abel..then Cain killed Abel. Then Cain goes away and marries someone. If Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel are the only people..who did Cain marry? My professor made me see that the Adam and Eve story is not meant to be taken literally. It is more a myth to explain the origins of man.
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Post by nsync on Jun 18, 2009 16:40:34 GMT -5
LOLDidnt Jesus specifically say those folks would not see the kindom of heaven? I don't have my bible with me so I can't confirm. However when I get the chance I will. Sticking to the red letters HAVE never steered me wrong. EVER...even when I needed clarity on topics that vary around the bible from Genesis to Revelations like divorce. What did jesus say No divorce unless cheating. Bingo. Jesus came to restore the law. Im a christian. Ima follow what he said over all other accounts. That's what I was saying. To each their own. ^^don't. That's bad business yo. You can get yourself caught up indeed. There are no red letters that condemn MOST of the things God has sho'nuff promised to judge us for. Jesus focused on: 1. Love God in every way with your whole existence 2. Love your neighbor as yourself. These principles are the basis of every other thing God expects of us, but he does indeed expect quite a bit more from us. howbesoeva... think for a second you gonna be fornicatin, lyin, cheatin, stealin, murderin and carryin on and God's gonna let you off on a technicality. Talkin bout some "well Jesus ain't exactly say..." Yeah fam, It ain't goin down. |
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Post by nsync on Jun 18, 2009 16:41:20 GMT -5
Well some had argued that there is mention of other people and other children. Ohhh this made me think of another thread. Well, the Bible says that God made Adam and then Eve. Eve gave birth to Cain and Abel..then Cain killed Abel. Then Cain goes away and marries someone. If Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel are the only people..who did Cain marry? My professor made me see that the Adam and Eve story is not meant to be taken literally. It is more a myth to explain the origins of man. |
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Post by denounced on Jun 19, 2009 13:23:06 GMT -5
Well, the Bible says that God made Adam and then Eve. Eve gave birth to Cain and Abel..then Cain killed Abel. Then Cain goes away and marries someone. If Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel are the only people..who did Cain marry? My professor made me see that the Adam and Eve story is not meant to be taken literally. It is more a myth to explain the origins of man. Where do you go to seminary? Wowzers! You have to assume that God is lying, or that the language gives us reason to "assume" it's a figurative story, a myth. Let's look closely. If you look at that "ONE" account and say it must be a myth, then you must presuppose it to be a myth without any evidence. Does the language appear figurative in the passage? The word for slay, harag, does not offer us any reason to say that Cain did not really kill Abel. Look at what Genesis 4:15 says; notice anything? There is more evidence to say that there were more than just Cain's wife. Yo need to aks your Prof. if he is born again. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jun 19, 2009 19:08:23 GMT -5
Well, the Bible says that God made Adam and then Eve. Eve gave birth to Cain and Abel..then Cain killed Abel. Then Cain goes away and marries someone. If Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel are the only people..who did Cain marry? My professor made me see that the Adam and Eve story is not meant to be taken literally. It is more a myth to explain the origins of man. Where do you go to seminary? Wowzers! You have to assume that God is lying, or that the language gives us reason to "assume" it's a figurative story, a myth. Let's look closely. If you look at that "ONE" account and say it must be a myth, then you must presuppose it to be a myth without any evidence. Does the language appear figurative in the passage? The word for slay, harag, does not offer us any reason to say that Cain did not really kill Abel. Look at what Genesis 4:15 says; notice anything? There is more evidence to say that there were more than just Cain's wife. Yo need to aks your Prof. if he is born again. So who was Cains wife denounced? Are we going with Lilith from the Kabballah or from The Apocalypse of Adam where Adam states the "God" fucked Eve and made a son for himself while they were still in the garden? Where these other children come from? Was Lillith really fucking demons? Is Lillith in Genesis 1 and Eve came later? I love watching Christians come down the rabbit hole. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Jun 22, 2009 8:16:45 GMT -5
Lillith? Stop it.
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Post by suavesince1911 on Jul 3, 2009 22:34:27 GMT -5
my pastor preached about the following passage one day. Mark 16:17–18 (NIV)
17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at allHe said that some of us had been dropped off at church by snakes, lived with snakes, slept with snakes. As for new tongues, he said that was a person who formerly cursed and now didn't. He basically gave an allegorical interpretation versus the literal of those who dance with real snakes because they say that's what the Bible says to do. That's cool if he has biblical support for his interpretation of the imagery. If he's making it up, not so much. Furthermore, there is biblical support for certain hard-to-swallow prophecies, principles and stories and where folks are afraid to consider them literally (for fear of what it may mean for them or it makes them uncomfortable in general), they often minimize them as "allegory." I like this response Leja. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 5, 2009 21:55:12 GMT -5
Hebrew ISO 259 pagšu ṣiyyim et-ʾiyyim w-saʿir ʿal-rēʿhu yiqra ʾakšam hirgiʿah lilit u-maṣʾah lah manoḫTranslated in Isaiah 34:14 as a Screech Owl. Just as Tiamet or Leviathan as she is called is in the bible so is Lilith. Interesting quote: "Romanian vampires are called Strigoi, based on the ancient Greek term strix for screech owl, which also came to mean demon or witch."
Isaiah 34:14The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for HERSELF a place of rest. Step outside of Sunday school people.. 
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Post by denounced on Jul 7, 2009 7:20:39 GMT -5
Is Cain's wife named? No! So that's my answer. So while you fiddle around the outside of your boundaries, stop specualting and provide some REAL, HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that any of your probing for information has any basis.
Dr. Just's quote may sound deep, but in reality, he was not much different than anyone else according to someone that I knew that knew him at Howard. Did he ever come to understand the Deity of Christ? He perhaps should have said, the most subjective, because abstract really needs no evidence. Anyone can expound on anything that is absolutely nothing when facts shine upon it.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 7, 2009 14:17:50 GMT -5
Is Cain's wife named? No! So that's my answer. So while you fiddle around the outside of your boundaries, stop specualting and provide some REAL, HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that any of your probing for information has any basis. Dr. Just's quote may sound deep, but in reality, he was not much different than anyone else according to someone that I knew that knew him at Howard. Did he ever come to understand the Deity of Christ? He perhaps should have said, the most subjective, because abstract really needs no evidence. Anyone can expound on anything that is absolutely nothing when facts shine upon it. Real Historical Evidence? Haven't we been down this road before? You use faith where you stand. Again where is this Garden of Eden FACTUALLY Where is Noah's Arc FACTUALLY Show when Jews were enslaved in Kemet and built the pyramids FACTUALLY Where is Solomons Temple FACTUALLY Where is the Temple Mount FACTUALLY Evidence? Negro Please. Don't ask for which you can't supply and save the writings show me a boat or keep quiet. Show me a temple or keep quiet. Don't show me a temple thats "supposedly" sits upon a temple. Your religion HAS NO PROOF. It is a fabrication on top of a fabrication which it self sits upon a fabrication. Tiamet is in the bible and I have shown you that. She is leviathian the Water Serpent or we can go back further and big up Yemya whom was fashioned as a mermaid. Lillith by name is in the hebrew text and if you read up on many rabbinical works starting with the Talmud then you will see her. All the chit is false though and you can't prove any of it. I say Narmer was a black king in Kemet. He is shown on a palette that is dated at 3200 BCE. The earliest writings for your faith on the "old testament" side didn't happen until 2800 years later. Get loss with the bullchit and stop spiritually raping the people man. |
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Post by nsync on Jul 8, 2009 22:45:57 GMT -5
So where did Cain's wife come from...or have we taken the stance that there were other people during that time....not just four (three with Abel being slaughtered)? You know I was thinking about this sexy fine gentleman(well he was a bit of a raggamuffing in the culture to be honest) I met him back in my early days of college. He was feeling me and I him until we discovered that he was rastafarian and I was a Bible believing Christian. One thing he said to me that has stuck with me forever and thus causing him to stand out amongst many (although we only spent a few days getting to know each other before we called it quits) he said " I'm disappointed. You are a typical Christian. You can not think outside of the box that was created for you" For some reason VP's diagram brought me right back to that very moment when he said that. I could not fathom what he meant ...what do you mean...box? Box what? I got your box negro. LOL Just thought I would share that...why? Only God knows. LOL Okay let me be fair...I know too. I think there is some truth in what is being said about folks thinking inside of a box or circle...whatever. It's true of ALL of us. Our belief systems are our foundation. The majority of us...if God himself would come to us and told us what we were taught and believe to be true is FALSE...we would probably question God, too. Um you aint really God...talking this mess...humpf./ LOL If your total foundation is broken, then what have you? Nothing. Most people can not bear to go there psycologically nor emotionally. All that to say no matter who is right and who is wrong OR if we are all right or all wrong, the average ear will turn death to an alternative message if it does not support their(our) core belief system The truths that we trust in are mostly relative. We are not ready for universal truth. We are just not ready for it.
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Post by denounced on Jul 12, 2009 13:56:18 GMT -5
Is Cain's wife named? No! So that's my answer. So while you fiddle around the outside of your boundaries, stop specualting and provide some REAL, HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that any of your probing for information has any basis. Dr. Just's quote may sound deep, but in reality, he was not much different than anyone else according to someone that I knew that knew him at Howard. Did he ever come to understand the Deity of Christ? He perhaps should have said, the most subjective, because abstract really needs no evidence. Anyone can expound on anything that is absolutely nothing when facts shine upon it. Real Historical Evidence? Haven't we been down this road before? You use faith where you stand. Again where is this Garden of Eden FACTUALLY Where is Noah's Arc FACTUALLY Show when Jews were enslaved in Kemet and built the pyramids FACTUALLY Where is Solomons Temple FACTUALLY Where is the Temple Mount FACTUALLY Evidence? Negro Please. Don't ask for which you can't supply and save the writings show me a boat or keep quiet. Show me a temple or keep quiet. Don't show me a temple thats "supposedly" sits upon a temple. Your religion HAS NO PROOF. It is a fabrication on top of a fabrication which it self sits upon a fabrication. Tiamet is in the bible and I have shown you that. She is leviathian the Water Serpent or we can go back further and big up Yemya whom was fashioned as a mermaid. Lillith by name is in the hebrew text and if you read up on many rabbinical works starting with the Talmud then you will see her. All the chit is false though and you can't prove any of it. I say Narmer was a black king in Kemet. He is shown on a palette that is dated at 3200 BCE. The earliest writings for your faith on the "old testament" side didn't happen until 2800 years later. Get loss with the bullchit and stop spiritually raping the people man. To re-tread old ground, the historical reliability of the Bible is INDISPUTABLE. I hope you understand what that means. So if you are so anal retentive about the writing being 2800 years later, I call that amazing in light of the Bible's IMPECCABLE HISTORICAL RECORD. There are both INTERNAL and EXTERNAL evidences that the Bible is God's Word. Myths, such as the ones you constantly use have no unity. There's absolutely no uniquely prophetic quality to kemet. There is just too much evidence for the existence of the historical and RESURRECTED JESUS. There is very little if any substantial evidence that claim the bible to be a lie. You know you have a GGG grandfather named Joe, but what evidence exists other than the word of your father who you got it from? The way "YOUR" people passed down their fairy tales are completely different from how they were passed down by a superior culture who had divine inspiration on their side. So their is no need for a boat, because the Bible can be trusted. But I guarantee, if someone asks who your GGG grandfather was, you would say, "Joe". Why? Because you trust your father's word.......... Well the Jews trusted teir Father's word. God is truly good!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that's my take in my words, here it is in anothers, www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-Word.html |
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Post by denounced on Jul 12, 2009 14:00:19 GMT -5
Simon Greenleaf
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 12, 2009 17:07:25 GMT -5
Denounced why do you continue to fight a losing battle? Who do you think you are speaking with? You gonna name drop Mr. pro Fugitive Slave Act himself Simon Greenleaf and use his writings as confirmation of the bible as ordained by God? So for now on I wont speak anything else I'll just pick the foolishness you say apart. SMDH. Just when i think you have hit rock bottom with your intellect you go even lower. Name dropping peckerwoods who so it fit to enslave rape torture and recapture your own ancestors. damn shame.
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Post by nsync on Jul 12, 2009 21:38:23 GMT -5
A superior culture? Whoa....... A culture (with the understanding that religion is ingrained within culture) didn't even accept their own messiah.  No disrespect to Jewish people AT ALL, but I think calling them a superior culture is a tab bit overzealous. But then that opens up another can of worms. If you talk to someone of jewish culture who is religious (and not a messianic Jew) they will boldy tell you that there messiah has not come yet. So...this culture that you speak of...did God deliver the word to them in entirety(meaning all the Jews as a superior culture)? You know you have a GGG grandfather named Joe, but what evidence exists other than the word of your father who you got it from? The way "YOUR" people passed down their fairy tales are completely different from how they were passed down by a superior culture who had divine inspiration on their side. |
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Post by denounced on Jul 22, 2009 14:23:49 GMT -5
Denounced why do you continue to fight a losing battle? Who do you think you are speaking with? You gonna name drop Mr. pro Fugitive Slave Act himself Simon Greenleaf and use his writings as confirmation of the bible as ordained by God? So for now on I wont speak anything else I'll just pick the foolishness you say apart. SMDH. Just when i think you have hit rock bottom with your intellect you go even lower. Name dropping peckerwoods who so it fit to enslave rape torture and recapture your own ancestors. damn shame. I could only find one source to back your shady claim. Can you please supply 3 separate sources to prove that Simon greenleaf supported slavery, although it has nothing to do with his analysis of the evidence for the resurrection? But i do thank-you for the information. If I believe this to be true, I will notify th sites that do his bio and ask them to include this fact. Whether or not they do, I will post it on my site. The Fugitive Slave Act is as foul as it gets. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 23, 2009 6:51:57 GMT -5
Denounced why do you continue to fight a losing battle? Who do you think you are speaking with? You gonna name drop Mr. pro Fugitive Slave Act himself Simon Greenleaf and use his writings as confirmation of the bible as ordained by God? So for now on I wont speak anything else I'll just pick the foolishness you say apart. SMDH. Just when i think you have hit rock bottom with your intellect you go even lower. Name dropping peckerwoods who so it fit to enslave rape torture and recapture your own ancestors. damn shame. I could only find one source to back your shady claim. Can you please supply 3 separate sources to prove that Simon greenleaf supported slavery, although it has nothing to do with his analysis of the evidence for the resurrection? But i do thank-you for the information. If I believe this to be true, I will notify th sites that do his bio and ask them to include this fact. Whether or not they do, I will post it on my site. The Fugitive Slave Act is as foul as it gets. Man you got me confused if you think I'm about to hold your hand with this chit. Fact remains the person you named dropped one Simon Greenleaf was an inspiration for Thomas Reads Road Cobb. Thomas Reads Road Cobb wrote An Inquiry into the Law of Negro Slavery in the United States Of America. He consulted extensively with your boy Greenleaf to write the aforementioned work. Now you can do one or two things... A. Look this chit up yourself in an attempt to prove me wrong or B. Ask any black lawyer who is African Centered about Simon Greenleaf and Thomas R R Cobb. Don't invite me to your shin dig at Morgan I would embarrass you terribly. You're not even tight on the basics dude. How can Simon Greenleaf prove Jesus on one hand but support slavery of Africans and even go so far as to state it is treasonous for anyone to aid in our ancestors fight for freedom. Bullchit straight up. |
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Post by denounced on Jul 23, 2009 11:31:49 GMT -5
As usual, no documentation, just blackination.............. and you are not invited, but it's not my function. Facts and immorality are completely separate. Immoral people can understand and see what is or is not, regardless of their immoral/amoral beliefs or behavior.
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